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Dtruthspeaker:
In saying this have you not judged? And you yourself did not cite any scripture because you know it is not necessary.

Besides, this is the basis of my statement which is exactly what Jesus upheld and stated in John 8:40
"But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham."

"He does not believe that does not live according to his belief. -'Sigmund Freud

The people of Antioch got called Christians because they were living and behaving like Christ.

Meanwhile those 1 Corinthians 5 says we should put out those who are not behaving like Christ


It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, .., that one should have his father's wife.

2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

So, you can see, you are not a believer of Christ if you do not live according to Christ and anyone claiming to be a believer who does not like according to Christ shall be cut off and is cut off. That is the clear Commandment and Judgment of God.

I forgot that you are Jehovah witness and not a Christian. Sorry!

Dtruthspeaker:
People who do not live according to their beliefs are not believers.

lies from the pit of hell. Who are you to judge?
Moreover, there are no scriptures in support of this false doctrine that keep putting people into bondage of their dead works

Do you know what it means to be a believer?

If being believer is based on how you live your life or what you you do, then you are not qualified to be one.
Because you yourself, you are a terrible sinner too

A country that pastors of this nature are still thriving is direct evidence that the people are not weh

Questionnairae:
There are several promises of God in the Bible for His children.
But we know that these promises are not always fulfilled in the lives of many people.

For example, "I will satisfy you with long life", but people die prematurely from accidents, diseases & even natural disasters.

Does it mean such people are not truly God's children?

Is that statement "God Never Promise and Fail" really True?

The promise the people are claiming from the bible is not for them.
It was for the people in bible. That's why the promise can never be fulfilled in the lives of the people.

It's not that God promised the people and he failed.
God did not promise them anything other than life

Demons are fictional or imaginative characters in cartoons and horror movies and nothing more

tctrills:
We sre definitely not going to argue sir.
In fact we agree.
Hete are your words
Anyone who accept Christ should be baptized irrespective of their age.
Just like Jesus Christ stated all them that believe should be baptized.
My one year old is not capable of accepting Jesus Christ. So clearly, that is an age before one could make an important spiritual decision.
So yes baptize only those old enough to accept or reject Christ and 2 months bsbies.

You have good reasons here!
But certainly it is not from scriptures!

And anyone who choses to baptize infant also have their reasons which are also good.

In either case, nothing about the Faith of the child is changed

Elzazzi:
Some do pray against their dead grand parents and rebuke them. I have seen such. Lol

It's ignorance

tctrills:
You are right, I wasn't looking for an argument.

No you did!

Incase you don't know what it means to argue, arguments comes with proposition. eg JESUS IS LORD.
And another person ask, why is Jesus Lord? Then you explain.

There is nothing wrong about argument. Infact it is a better way to explain to people so that they will understand what you are saying.

I was only hoping to make you read your bible to learn for yourself

read exactly what?
There are many things to read in the bible, which particular one?

The bible very clearly stated who should be baptized and no infant meets the condition.

where?

Contrary to that, the one i know is

Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Please, let us know if you are unaware that there are conditions to be met before baptism and if you suppose that just anyone should be baptized, willingly or mot.

anyone who accept Christ should be baptized irrespective of their age.

There his no scripture that specify age for one to be baptized

Baptism is a significance to show that anyone who accept Christ is cleansed.
It is even significance, not the real cleansing so it is not that necessary

tctrills:
It actually matters, learn to read your scriptures.

This is not how to present argument!
Post the scripture as evidence let's see

immortalcrown:
What you wrote here explains why the Catholic does not attack other churches for not accepting infant baptism but other churches attack the Catholic for accepting infant baptism. So, you have judged yourself.

I didn't say i was catholic or non catholic. I'm just speaking as a neutral Christian

There are no testimonies, don't be deceived.
They are all self-scamming.

God did not ask them to do all that in churches to deceive people

Thomasankara:
[/color]I believe that's true, because baptism is the outward identification with the body of Christ. Or some Chinese people without any religion or the freethinkers could pass for Christians?[color=#770077]

The question is, is the outward identification necessary for justification?
The answer is no.

It is only necessary for people to see.
But the very thing that we are Christians for which is to please God, it is not necessary

immortalcrown:
A student can as well wear the school uniform and become the best student. Therefore, there's nothing wrong with a student wearing school uniform to school.

No, nothing is wrong about that.
And at the same time, nothing is also wrong about any student not wearing the school uniform in the context of religion

immortalcrown:
A pupil can go to school without the school uniform. But wearing the school uniform helps to project the pupil's identity as a member of the school. The Catholic Church has never sent anybody out of the Church for not being baptised. So, do not twist things unnecessarily. When Christian parents fail to do child dedication in church, it does not change the Christian identity of the family. But the child dedication helps to project the family's Christian identity. This is the same thing that infant baptism can do in the Catholic Church.

You are very right!
A student can go to school without school uniform and still perform better academically than those with the school uniform and identity.
Afterall, the essence of going to school is to acquire the knowledge and not necessarily to project the school identity since there are other schools that can still offer the service of imparting the same knowledge.

This is why the question reasonable Christians ask:
Of what use is the identity of the church denomination in a society that is dominated by Christians which is the body of Christ?

cutecommend:
If you are a genuine child of God; I don't mean noisy christians who think they are spiritual or anointed; I don't mean regular and committed church goers who are empty but can "vibrate"; I don't mean worldly christians who can pray "fireful" prayers; I don't mean backsliders. No genuine child of God plays worldly music in their wedding ceremony. They jubiliate and celebrate as it pleases God, not as the flesh wants it. They are under God's government.

The doctrinał concept that there are true or genuine child of God and there are also fake child of God bringings segregation in the body of Christ rather than unity. Therefore it is a false concept.

John 1:12 But as many as received him(no distinction), to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

You are not being saved because of how genuine or how good you are

Secondly, there is nothing like worldly music!

Whether the music is gospel or secular, it is still music

immortalcrown:
In Pentecostal churches, baptism qualifies one to start receiving the holy communion. But in Catholic, baptism does not qualify one to start receiving the holy communion. This is why the arguement often takes place.

Baptism is a ritual performed to cleanse original sin and demonstrate Christian identity. Baptizing an infant is a way that parents give the baby Christian identity. The parents, by doing so, are saying, "We are laying a Christian foundation for our baby".

What makes the difference is confirmation which is done by only those who have become cognisant enough to differentiate sin from good and have promised to abstain from sin. Only the confirmed members of the Catholic Church receive the holy communion. It is called confirmation because the person does it to show that he or she has examined, understood and chosen the Christian foundation laid for him or her. The person by doing so is saying "I have confirmed that the Christian foundation laid for me or I laid for myself is right for me and I am dedicated to it".

Let me use something non-spiritual to explain it further. A medical or nursing student starts wearing a white clothe. The white clothe does not make the student a qualified nurse or doctor. It only shows that the student has chosen the profession and is willing to develop himself or herself in that field. The student is using the clothe to say, "This is who I want to be". This illustrates baptism. Graduation is what will make the student a qualified nurse or doctor. The graduation can be used to illustrate the purpose of confirmation in the Catholic Church.

In the Catholic Church, members who become adults before getting baptised may not go through a separate formation for confirmation before receiving the holy communion. They can receive the holy communion the same day they get baptised. This is similar to Pentecostal members who start receiving communion immediately after being baptised because they had become old enough to differentiate sin from good before they went for the baptism. Members of the Catholic Church who did infant baptism are the ones that must go through confirmation when they become adults before they start receiving the holy communion. Biblically, there is no contradiction between the way the Catholic does it and the way the Pentecostal Churches do it. It is human sentiment that created the arguement.

You mean, if the child is not baptized, he or she does not have Christian identity?

Baptism is Baptism whether it is child or adult
It doesn't matter

After all these as usual, she will stil go and meet the same man of God and say, please pray for me i don't know what came over me

So, una still dey use state funds dey do religious celebration for that part of the world?

ariesbull:
Cohabitating is different ..like what we see here In Lagos many people cohabit and don't do marriage highest they do is introduction

The moment there are evidence that they are both happy and responsible for themselves and their kids as adults in the process, there is no law in Nigeria or anywhere else that says they are not married.

If the man introduces the woman as his wife and the children as their own, that is what the society must accept

ariesbull:
You must be a Yoruba person! That's your own people definition of marriage

No!
It has been observed that way by reasonable people worldwide that wedding ceremonies does not define marriage.
After the wedding occasion and bride price payment or whatever, are these things going to help sustain marriage?
The answer is no!

Therefore they are absolute waste of time and resources in the real sense.

I did mine few years ago but just recently, we sat down think over it together and concluded that it was waste of time and resources orchestrated by culture and tradition just to satisfy ego

Well, any child born outside marriage is illegitimate

you cannot go to someone's house to declare any of his child illegitimate.
No one has that right

and bas.tard

define the word bastard from your English dictionary and see the difference

Cohabitating there is no dignity and respect in that ..go and make money! Get married and do the proper thing

is there dignity in dating a girl as if you are marrying her?
The answer is yes

Let your children have legal standing and not raising illegitimate kids everywhere

wedding ceremonies does not make a legitimate child.
Even a child that is adopted can also be legitimate.

The essence of this awareness is that, African men should start taking every relationship they have with their woman as serious as marriage.

African men are fun of misbehaving thinking that they will start behaving well after the wedding ceremony.

Wedding ceremony my foot

I thought this pastor was married before?

So he had a nollywood actress girlfriend and was still preaching?

By the way, this woman does not sound as if she is under duress or something or is she envious?

BeautyV:
And what if the couples are finding it hard to conceive? Does that mean they are not yet married?

Ofcourse they are married!
But most times, with little or no commitment to one another which may lead to secracy and infidelity.

But when a child is there, they will be forced to sit up

Marriage begins when a child enters the union.
All these formalities called wedding, bride price payment, etc, does not define marriage

Fidwon:
The Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) has faulted the title of a newly released Nollywood film, ‘A Very Dirty Christmas,’ describing it as offensive to the Christian faith and urging relevant regulatory authorities to review the production.

In a statement issued on Tuesday, CAN President, Archbishop Daniel Okoh, said Christmas is a sacred season that marks the birth of Jesus Christ and should not be depicted in ways that undermine its spiritual significance.

Okoh said the use of the word “dirty” in reference to Christmas trivialises the celebration, which he noted symbolises purity, peace, love and redemption.

The statement partly read, “The Christian Association of Nigeria is deeply troubled by the title of the movie: ‘A Very Dirty Christmas’, which it considers offensive and disrespectful to the Christian faith.

“Christmas is a sacred season that marks the birth of Jesus Christ and represents purity, peace, love and redemption.

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When has CAN become religious fundamentalists, abi they want to behead Ini Edo for blasphemy against Christmas like those Muslims who beheaded that girl in sokoto ?

You must understand that the world is moving towards the right direction how God want it to be from the inception of creation till now, irrespective of how you feel or what your current situation is.
This alone makes God all knowing and all powerful.

The world is progressing gradually from one era to another, until his Glory is fully felt

"God will lift people into new levels and dimensions "

Is this suppose to be prophecy or probability?

What is the probability that people will go into new levels and dimension ?
It is 100%

Moreover, the new dimensions and levels are not even specified

COM. FUSE. D TINUBU

Theawakensoul:
WHO CREATED GOD?

And Where Did He Come From?

Every religion speaks of God.
Prayers are offered to God.
Songs are sung to God.
Fear, hope, love, and devotion are all directed toward God.

Yet there is one question religion rarely allows space for:

If everything has a beginning, then who created God?

And if God was created,
then who created the creator of God?

This question is not rebellion.
It is not disbelief.
It is the doorway to awakening.

For clarity, as we go deeper, I will use the word Source.
Not because God does not exist,
but because the true reality behind God is greater than the religious idea of God.

Religion gives God a name, a form, a story.
Awakening points to Source, the origin beyond names, forms, and stories.



The Illusion of Beginning

The idea that everything must have a beginning comes from the human mind.
The mind lives in time, sequence, cause and effect.

But Source does not live in time.
Time exists within Source.

A beginning only applies to things.
Source is not a thing.

A body has a beginning.
A thought has a beginning.
A belief has a beginning.

But Being itself does not begin.



Why God Was Never Created

To ask “Who created God?” assumes God is an object.
Something separate.
Something outside the universe.

But awakening reveals this truth:

God is not a being in the universe.
God is the Being of the universe.

This is why the word Source becomes useful.

Just as waves rise from the ocean,
the universe rises from Source.

The wave is not separate from the ocean.
Creation is not separate from Source.



What Yeshua Was Really Pointing To

Yeshua did not describe God as a distant ruler with an origin story.
He spoke from I AM.

Not I was.
Not I will be.
But I AM.

“I AM” has no beginning.
It is presence.
It is awareness.
It is existence itself.

When Yeshua said:

> “Before Abraham was, I AM”


He was not elevating a religious identity.
He was pointing to timeless awareness, what we now call Source.



Religion’s God vs Source

Religion often turns God into a character.
A judge.
A king.
A being with preferences and punishments.

Awakening returns us to Source.
Source is consciousness, not a character.

Thoughts arise in Source.
Worlds arise in Source.
Time arises in Source.

Source does not arise.
It simply IS.




So Where Did God Come From?

God, as religion describes Him,
is humanity’s way of relating to Source.

Source did not come from anywhere.
Because where itself exists within Source.

Source is the space in which all space appears.
Source is the awareness in which all experience happens.

And here is the truth religion rarely speaks plainly:

✨ The awareness asking this question
is the same awareness you are.



The Final Realization

When you stop trying to find God as an object,
you begin to recognize Source as the awareness reading these words.

God was never created.
Source has no beginning.
Source is not outside you.

Source is the consciousness awakening through you.

This is why Yeshua said:

> “The Kingdom of God is within you.”

Not later.
Not elsewhere.
Not after death.

Now. Here. As awareness.


The Awaken Soul (TAS)
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The question is absolutely unnecessary !
How does it affect your life?

You are absolutely right bro

Of what use is the Anioma state?
I mean, Anoima people are doing very well as a section of Delta state and Nigeria at large, so what's this segregation mentality all about?

Is this the kind of idea that paedophile Nwoko can come up with?