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I hope we wont get side-tracked into changing the thread to discussing communism.
Communism was one of the great evils of the last century.
If you are conversant with the atrocities of Stalin alone in Russia,the bastion of communism you would be totally convinced of its utter horror.
In the end,some historians believe that Stalin was a mass-murderer even worse than Hitler.
When I think of him,I remember a movie of his life I saw; "Stalin-Death had a name".
Communism brought death and woe as Stalin personified.
And that was a lone figure out of many.

@twinstaiye
You've unwittingly revealed something very disturbing in the psyche of an average Muslim.
A deep seated insecurity that manifested in the life of Muhammad himself,and he passed it down to his followers.
If his religion is true why did he murder his opponents who questioned his absurd claims?
Do you know how he spread his religion? by force and terror; killing,maiming,assasinating ,taken women as sex-slaves, had scores of them as wives/concubines;stoop so low to take a 6 year old girl and consummated the affair when she was 9.
In the end by his own mouth declared,he didnt know what Allah would do to him,because he was a highway plunderer and a sex-fiend.
Does that read like a profile of a credible prophet?
Are you conversant with these facts about Islam or you need the references to challenge the false claims about it being a complete religion?

@texazzpete
That was a lenghty article you quoted,but I had to read it to the end becaise it's deeply illuminating.
ISLAMIC TERRORISM is the menace of the age,like Nazism,Fascism and Communism once was.
The earlier the world wakes up to that fact the better.

@flying dut
u made a valid point.
Christianity in its primitive form NEVER had any violence associated with it.
In the first 200 years of its spread from Jerusalem to other parts of the world, it was a faith that conquered the hearts of  people by its inherent power and its miraculous nature.

It acquired the notoriety u referred to when it became the faith of the Europeans under Emperor Constantane.it then became the tool of political oppression personified by Rome.
I can't hold brief for the Roman catholic church,but I know that the former Pope in 2000,owned up to the atrocities commited by her against Jews,Muslims and other Christians that were not catholics.At least,their is an acknowledgement that the Church of Rome strayed away from the teachings of Christ in those dark ages.

Well for Holocaus,t this is mixed.There were some Christians that protected  Jews from Hitler and some of them were Catholics,even though the actions of the  Pope at that time left much to be desired.

Islam on the other hand from its inception by Muhammad was a violent faith that spread by the force of bloodshed and banditry.
It encouraged the killing of non-muslims as a holy duty.It has been like that since the days of Muhammad to the days of Osama Bin Laden and ever more it shall be.The birth of Muhammad in the 7th century was one of  history's sad events just like the  infamous, blood thirsty savages like Hitler and Stalin.

Consider this;if every Christian emulate Christ and lives by his original teachings,there would be peace and tranquility in the world, on the other hand, if any Muslim(or anybody for that matter) emulate the life of Muhammad,  follow his teachings in its orthodox form,there would be wars,massacres,genocide,slavery,rape of women and under-aged girls. Do you know where all these is currently happening? Darfur in Sudan! And the culprit? Mohammedeans.

@babs787
You sons or slaves of Allah never cease to amaze me with your ignorance and laughable absurd reasonings.
When people challenge your asinine statements of 'Islam means peace',you reach for garbled qoutations from the bible to point out that it contains violent passages instead of disproving us from current events that happen all over the world.
Do you know that the bible has 2 parts? the old and new testaments,and that the old primarily was God's dealing with the Jews whom Muhammad and his followers like you hate so much and commit countless atrocities against.
The new testament is what christians are obligated to follow,while we also learn lessons,from the old.Where are the nations that the Jews waged war against today?

Jesus spoke figuratively about the sword(he never carried one),you would know this that when Peter brought out a sword to cut off the ear of people who came to arrest him,he rebuked him and said those that live by the sword would perish by the sword.And proceeded in LOVE to heal the Roman soldier.He never had an army.The Bible is figuratively called the sword of the spirit.

Christianity at its origin never advocated violence,from Jesus to the apostles,there was no single act of violence in their actions.Indeed almost all of them were martyred by the powers of the day.
This compares sharply with your so- called prophet Muhammad(a paedophile and rapist),who from history is shown to be a morally bankrupt Arab warrior and depraved bandit,that personally led his disciples in wars,carried out massacres of Jews, ordered assasinations of his critics in his numerous Jihads.
Is that not what cold blooded murderers like Osama bin Laden a folk- hero of you Islamists, continue today and they can point to numerous passages of Koran to defend their ignoble actions.
How many Christian justifiably quote a verse or verses in the bible to murder an innocent person because he's an infidel like you slaves of Allah regularly do all over the world or don't you listen to news?

When you set off the personalities of Jesus and Muhammad against each other,the truth stares you uncomfortably in the face.
One was sinless,even his detractors who killed him testified to it.And I think your Koran,the suicide-bombers manual, says the same thing.
What of Muhammad? He was a charlatan with no credentials and character of a prophet(how many miracles did he perform? how many events did he foretell like an authentic prophet?), rather he was a debauched, hyper-sexed individual who dreamed up a vision of a paradise based on his own lust and dissolute lifestyle,where there would be endless wine fueled, sex orgy  for generations of Arab suicide bombers and their apologists who can risk their life in his 'holy' Jihad across the globe.

@ Piddo.
Go and read the thread, 'Muslims are we bad?'.You will find many passages quoted directly from Koran there.
Better still, google up 'prophet of doom' and you'll get to see Koranic passages on violence on the website, you can then correlate this with the actions of the Jihadists worldwide.

@olabawale.
I suggest you brush up on your history so that you can argue well with proper historical perspectives.
The story of Isreal as a nation did not start with 'Zionism' in 20th cent, with Arabs 'allowing' them to live in communities.
Let me remind you that David made Jerusalem the capital of Isreal 3000 years ago(by 1996), and Jews were driven out of Jerusalem in AD 70, and had the temple destroyed by the Romans.The dispersion lasted like Jesus prophesized it would be until the 20th century  when the Jews would return home,and it's happened in our life time and there's nothing the Arabs can do about it.
Your treatise on slavery is sordid with inaccuracies.I suppose you live in the U.S.Why not read up the history of America,slave trade,the civil war etc.One thing I would not gloss over is the way professed Christians,made attempts to justify the evils of slavery by the bible,but we all know that there's no justification whatsoever for their actions because we have the same bible.
But what most people choose to be blind to is the history of Abolition of slavery itself.Who were the personalities behind the abolition of the inhuman trade both in England and America?
What do you know about a book 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' by Harriet Beecher Stowe and President Lincoln's comment about it being the spark of the American civil war which was essentially a war fought by anti and pro-slavery divides.
This is info age,I challenge you to google up the Abolitionists and read up on those that fought with their lives to make sure that slave trade was abolished.They were not Arabs who were very much into slavery in East Africa,who had encouraging, explicit passages in Koran that justified their actions,but Christians who pursued abolition with the same religious zeal they used in preaching the message of Christianity.

So the Koran condemned the drinking of alcohol,how come the same Koran says suicide bombers would have 72 virgins to themselves in Paradise with a river flowing with wine?

@Afam.
Am amaze at the level of your reasoning.
You are totally unable to grasp the point of the discussion.
Nobody is here primarily to prove that one religion is bad,the fact is that out of all the religions in the world,it's only one that is a menace to us,whether you are in Nigeria,Uk,Middle-East or Asia.How many people worry themselves about Hindus,Buddhists,Sikhs,Shintos,Christians,Jews,Pagans or agnostics and atheists?
The only one that have justification for people to blow up planes,ships,trains,burn churches,shoot tourists is ISLAM founded in the 7th century, on the same premise of violence,assasinations and banditry by MOHAMMED.
How many people here on this forum have shown disrespect to all the other faiths?
The reason is because ISLAM has contempt for everybody who is not a muslim and except you are one,your death warrant is contained in its pages.And any 'faithful' can dispense with your life and would be rewarded with 72 virgins in their paredise just in case he carries it out by suicide bombing.
That's why the Popes comment despite any apology is the truth,Mohammed has brought only oppression, evil and destruction to mankind.

Brownsuga:
What can inter-faith initiatives accomplish where leaders prove so clumsy?

So much for inter-faith.You Muslims have to know the world is weary of your violence, and cold blooded murders in the name of Muhammad.You cannot fly from Heathrow because of Jihadists,you are wary of getting on the bus or the tube because of some heavily bearded fellows full of hate, their bodies strapped with grenades,you cannot tour a historical site because of somebody who is going to scream alla akbar while emptying A-K 47 into your face.Have you forgotten there are other religions in the world and none of them take up arms against the rest of mankind like Islam? You kill Jews in Isreal,Christians in Nigeria and Indonesia,Hindus in India,Animists and Christians in Sudan.And you talk of inter-faith to people who are tolerating you,people at the receiving end of your countless atrocities.
Sadly you are continuing where Muhammad stopped.You need to get yourself well-informed about the facts of his life before you blab 'Islam means peace' again.

One of the thing that bothers me a lot is the vast ignorance about Muhammad and Islam by the generality of the world,Muslims and non-muslims.But the good thing is that the Koran and all those Hadiths which the mullahs have refused to let get into 'infidels' hand for centuries is now getting accessible to everybody for us to learn more about this religion that means peace while they suicide-bomb the 'unbelievers'.
It's my belief that if the book is freely available in all the languages of the world,most people would have known that it's only a fraudulent mixture of Arabian paganism, violent hatred of humanity with gross contempt for human life.
The comments are a mild appraisal of the religion of the Jihad-terrorists.

@babyosisi.
Am sorry I took a French leave.
Had to prepare for my exams.

I am not a follower of the pope,but what he said is the honest truth people have known for years.
Muhammad, that Arab warrior and sex maniac from the Arabian desert was one of history's greatest terrorist,by all accounts.
There is no difference between what he did in his lifetime and what somebody like Osama bin Laden,a present day hero of Islamic fanatics across the globe is doing for Islam now.
If all the followers of other religions in the world are as violence prone as these Islamic vagabonds, humanity would have disappeared many years ago.

I just hope people are at alert in Nigeria, ready for them,before those murderers go out like rabid dogs killing innocent people like they've always done,while they shout, allah akbar.

go for sterilization and castration immediately to protect future potential victims.
hope that helps.

@neoteny.
"but I wonder if they look into the core of christianity to explain the most horrible crime of man's history:hitler's Nazi monster to what origin do you ascribe the evil of the nazis,christians as they were?"

From the above statement,it shows you are simply ignorant of the 'core of christianity'.
The core value of Christianity as taught by Christ Himself is LOVE.He summarized the whole of the commandments to 2.
1.Love your God with all your strenght
2.Love your neighbour as yourself.

And to the monster that was Hitler,in case you don't know, he didn't profess Christianity,he was close to what you might call a Pagan.
Indeed in the final days of WW 2,it was Astrology  they turned to in the Bunker.I suggest you find out more about this.

Let me share this with you,I just stumbled on this write-up in Daily Star,Tues,August 8, 2006. titled "Ze Gospels According to Hitler" on page 24.

Excerpts: "'A Nazi bible featuring Adolf Hitler's version of the Ten Commandments has been discovered in Germany.
Orders like "Thou shall not kill" were replaced with Hitler's chilling war cry of "Honour your Fuhrer and master"

One of the few remaining copies of "German with God"-commissioned by the tyrant in 1933-was found in an archive in the town of Nordelbischen.Thousands were printed,but most were destroyed at the end of WW 2 in 1945.

The bible began with a total overhaul of the Ten Commandments".

So you see neoteny,Hitler had to invent another bible to justify his actions.Some of the other commandments included;"Holy is your health and life" and "Keep the blood pure and your honour holy".

Anybody familiar with the noble teachings of Christ in the New Testament cannot find any iota of link between Christianity and the despicable barbarity that was the Third Reich.

@belloti.
If there was no need for this thread,one of your Muslim brothers wouldn't have brought it up.There would even be more threads,books, reviews on the phenomenon of Islam and their hate Ideology, as they have constituted themselves as a menace,a disturbing murderous nuisance and violent vagabonds across cities, airports,killing fields around the world.From Somalia to Sudan,Palestine to Philippines,India and Iraq to Indonesia,America to Afghanistan,Britain to Bahrain and of course Nigeria,the followers of Muhammad,everybody agrees,are suicide bombers,plane hijackers,church burners etc.

The world is weary of this and some Muslims are disturbed about this perception,that is the essence of the thread.
And as we are learning,the root cause lies in the Jihadist Manuals left by the founder of Islam and his close associates.
We now know that Islam didn't start as a peaceful religion but in Terrorism,Massacre of innocent civillians,attack of travellers on caravans in the desert like they now attack planes,the modern means of transport.

It's good we acquiant ourselves with these facts so that those that have been deceived or fooled for years, both Muslims and non-Muslims can now see for themselves the true nature of this religion of 'kill the infidels wherever they are found',and the sources of our knowledge is the Koran and other authoritative Islamic writings.

, We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His messenger.We fight people until they believe in Allah.He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his LIFE AND POSSESSIONS FROM US.As for one who disbelieves,we will fight him forever in Allah's cause.KILLING HIM IS A SMALL MATTER TO US.Tabari IX:69

My understanding of Islam keeps on growing by the day.
Now I can appreciate why at the drop of a pin,in the moment of their demon inspired Jihad they rush to the Igbo shops in Northern cities in Nigeria and loot them after slaughtering them without the slightest provocation.(it's not only Igbos they kill though,because I had to thank God I was mercifully saved from their Jihadi sword by Providence twice, in 2 different cities in the North simply because I was an 'infidel')

They are simply following their Manual of Hate received by one of History's greatest bandit, highway robber and murderer,who sends his followers 'on a raiding party'.

@Babyosisi

That quote was orginally from the Talmud which predated Islam,I have seen it quoted in Jewish writings.I can remember it being quoted in the novel;Schindler's List.

@firdaus4us.Contrary to your claims,the basis of the legal system of the Western world before the secular humanists perverted it was based on the Judeo-Christian writings found in the Bible.By the time you remove the Biblical core of the Western moral, legal and justice system,you have nothing of value left(That's why you have same-sex marriages,and the present moral chaos we're witnessing).Even some Muslims on this forum have said as much.If you're not convinced or you are confused about this, ask a law student.

It's not enough to quote the humanists that reject the Bible,it would be interesting to know what they equally thought or think of Koran,if they are lucky enough to escape the fatwahs.

It seems you are ignorant of the basic differences between Judaism and Christianity;though without Judaism there cannot be Christianity,there still exists some point of difference.

The Old Testament was a covenant between God and the Jews,the New Testament the foundation of the Church as revealed by Christ through the writings of the Apostles.
God gave the old law but man could not live up to it,that's why Christ came to establish the new.For instance,the eye for eye of the Old Testament became love your enemy in the New Teatament.

God still remain  God of Justice that prescribe retribution for evil deeds however; even though he gave us freewill,he would still hold us accountable for our actions.I think Islam also teaches that the unjust and the 'infidels' like your humanist favourites would go to Hell for punishment,it is the arrant, obscene nonsense about the Paradise being a place with 72 full breasted virgins and rivers of booze for endless romps that we don't agree on.

If the humanists are able to show that the Bible is an untrustworthy book,then the Koran and Islam are even in a greater danger.For the Bible stands firmly on two legs,but the Koran lamely on one.
As you may well know,the Old Testament was in existence, for about 2000 years,and the new about 700 years before Muhammad was born.
Even though he claimed his own book was thrown down directly from Heaven,almost all the  major Hebrew Patriachs are also mentioned in the Koran and stories in the Bible are poorly regurgitatd verbatim with minor variations,sometimes garnished with outlandish nonsense.
Were he alive today, he would be prosecuted in a court of law for copyright violation and the plaintifs woud be a bishop and a rabbi,because he couldn't differentiate between the Torah and the Talmud mixing the stories from the 2 ancient sources to make up part of his own book.

You mentioned Thomas Paine and Robert Ingersol,am well familiar with their writings.But am sure you don't know the end of the story of Tom Paine's tragic life. In the ultimate moment of truth, as he was about to confront his Maker on his deathbed,he cried in anguish for his soul.His last words were that he wished he had  never written Age of Reason.

The main thrust of our argument is that Muhammad unlike Christ didn't possess the QUALITY and CHARACTER of a prophet,and this is based  on his own words, the testimonies of his contemporaries and victims;wives,concubines,sex-slaves(at least one of whom was a Christian that gave him  a copy of the Bible he plagiarized).And that the culture of terrorism and Jihad is not new but started from him,he was the 1ST ISLAMIC TERRORIST, the chief bandit, who attacked innocent merchants relieving them of their goods,ordered assasination of poets and writers (like Rushdie) who questioned his absurd claims.That Islam doesn't mean PEACE, but WAR on the rest of mankind,especially the Jews and Christians (even Hindus in India and Kashmir).That the Muslims who kill and boast of their atrocities like Osama bin Laden are the authentic followers of his doctrine,the other peaceful ones are either  ignorant of most of his teachings or sensible and 'humane' enough to ignore them,treating them as fitful rants of  a raving hate maniac.

Samples from Islamic Sources:Muhammad(may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party.We raided Hurakat in the morning.I caught hold of a man and he said:'There is no god but Allah',but I attacked him with a spear anyway.It  occured to me that I should ask the Apostle about this.The Messenger said:'He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with'.The Prophet said:'Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it has professed truly or not'''. Muslim:C10B1N176.

'So fight them until there is no more Fitnah(disbelief[non-Muslim]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone(in the whole world)' Quran:8:39

'Fight and kill the disbeliever wherever you find them,take them captive,harass them,lie in wait and ambush them using every strategem of war' Quran:9:5

Believers,what is the matter with you,that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's cause you cling to the earth?Do you prefer the life of this world to Hereafter? Unless you go forth,He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom,and put others in your place. Quran:9:38

So much for that shallow cliche,that 'Islam means peace'.The 'good Muslims' would lose out on the reward of unlimited sex hereafter,and are  in danger of painful doom because of their disobedience to their hate manual.

@neoteny.
You missed it!
Nobody is surprised by your immature tantrums and vile utterances against the person of Christ,I WOULD HAVE BEEN TERRIBLY HURT IF YOU HAVE ANY SHRED OF EVIDENCE FOR YOUR ASSERTIONS.Because my faith in Him would now be in Jeopardy.

Here this: Now when the centurion,and they that were with him,watching Jesus,saw the earthquake,and those things that were done,they feared greatly,saying,Truly this was the Son of God.(Matt 27:54)

This statement came out from a Roman executioner,from a book written by those who were alive and witnessed the event 2000 years ago.

What is the basis of your alleged Christ's affair with Mary Magdalene? Da Vinci Code, a work of fiction based on an artist's painting,written 2005 years after the event.

What do we have as evidence for  Muhammad's extravagant, sexually immoral lifestyle?
The testimony of the Koran,the Hadiths and the other 2 or 3 ISLAMIC writings showing the origin of Islam.
How Muhammad slept with scores of women,telling them to marry only 4,stooping low to sleep with a girl of 9,committing war crimes in act of unpardonable genocide,keeping women captured in war as 'booty' for sexual gratification.

Now there is no hiding place for Islam,as the uncomfortable truth suppressed by the Mullahs for centuries travel round the world,every body would now know it for what it is:a gigantic fraud,a mish-mash of Arab paganism and perverted Bible tales, that has enslaved millions of people for centuries.

@domon.
You contribution is also quite welcome.
I sympathize with your point of view,but it is half-truth.
The book of Acts of the Apostles best describe the origin and the spread of christianity a few years after the resurrection of Christ.You can also read other classical, secular authors of the antiquity for their views.(e.g Josephus who was a Jew but became a Roman citizen,he wasn't a christian.Tacitus is another,there are others).
You would come to the understanding that the earliest followers of Christ didn't bear arm or spread Christianity by deceit like you claimed,but through evangelization under very difficult circumstances under the Roman emperors like Nero and countless of them gave their lives for it.
It would interest you that of the original 12 disciples of Christ,only the youngest of them,John who wrote the book of Revelation died naturally after he miraculously survived all attempts to kill him.(It was his youthful, 'girlish' looks, captured by Leornado da Vinci in the Last Supper that, provided the basis of Dan Brown's work of fiction,as he transformed him to Mary Magdalene).

Now Constatane made  christianity a state religion,and from then on,the church fell into the Dark Ages of largely Ignoble activities.This serves as the basis for all the criminal activities committed by the Europeans especially the Roman Catholic church using God's name until Reformation.

There is no justification for all the atrocities committed by the Roman Catholic Church and that is why Pope John Paul was courageous enough to apologise for these crimes IN 2000.

On the contrary, Islam is different,the founder of the religion, if you're patient enough to read the Koran,the Hadiths(also consisered a holy book) and also other ISLAMIC sources,the founder is shown with his followers to raid merchant caravans,attacked Jewish and other communities,stole their wealth,kill their men and approved his followers taking their wives and daughters as sex slaves and told them any of them that die in the course of Jihad would be rewarded with full-breasted virgins and wine in Paradise.And he led them by example.
He himself was shown to be involved with at least 22 women,the youngest of them 9 years.

Summary:When a christian commits a crime in God's name,he can't find a single verse in the New Testament justifying his actions,whereas a Muslim can point to the example of Muhammad and justify his actions by several passages of Koran and the Hadith.

@ Superman.Your contribution from the 'expert documentors from the BBC is welcome.
But I can assure you no christian conversant with the basis of his faith would be upset or surprised.
You know why? because it is nothing new.
I would urge to read this bit:
Now the next day,that followed the day of the preparation,the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,Saying,Sir,we remember that the deceiver said,while he was yet alive,After three days I will rise again.
Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day,lest his disciples come by night,and steal him away,and say unto the people,He is risen from the dead:so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Pilate said unto them,ye have a watch:go your way,make it as sure as ye can.
So they went,and made the sepulchre sure,sealing the stone,and setting a watch.

And, behold,there was a great earthquake:for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven,and rolled back the stone from the door,and sat upon it.His countenance was like lightning,and his raiment white as snow:And for fear of him the keepers did shake,and became as dead men.
And the angel answered and said unto the women,Fear not ye:for I know that ye seek Jesus,which was crucified.
He is not here:for he is risen,as he said.Come,see the place where the Lord lay.

Now when they were going,behold,some of the watch came into the city,and shewed unto the chief priests,all the things that were done.
And when they were assembled with the elders,and had taken counsel,they gave large money unto the soldiers,Saying,Say ye,His disciples came by night,and stole him away while we slept.And if this come to the governor's ear,we will persuadehim,and secure you.So they took the money,and did as they were taught:and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

@ Superman,I hope you were patient to read till the end.This passage is from a book written few years after the incident happened, about 2000 years ago.Matthew 27:62-end;28:2-6,11-15.

Now this is what the whole of christian faith is founded upon.The miraculous events surrounding the event so described which were well documented by the eye witnesses.

I urge you to get acquainted a bit with the classical history of the ancient world,live under the Roman civilization,the discipline of their soldiers and come back and tell me whether it was possible for a group of frightened,confused disciples to overpower the Roman soldiers,roll away the stone and steal the body of Christ.

I think it's a great insult to be looking for Muhammad in the bible.Am just learning a few things about his character and I say without any sense of apology,that he was an odious historical personality;that when all his atrocities documented in the Hadiths and other Islamic write-ups are well publicised,he would be shown for what he was;a forger,bandit,rapist,sex-maniac and a mass murderer.
He does not possess any qualification to be a prophet of God like we know in the bible.
A man who plunder Jewish communities,killing their men,took their women as booty of war,turning them into sex-slaves is hardly a prophet material.
If not that religion,especially Islam demands that you abdicate your sense of reason,how can an Arab illiterate who lived about  2000 years after the old testament(Torah) was written and 700 years after the new testament was completed, now claim that the bible was changed or edited and rational people believe him when he cannot produce the supposedly original version.

That's the kind of warped mind, foggy with delusion and half-truths going around murdering innocent people.
All the talk of Jesus being a prophet in Islam is one of those asinine statements that has no iota of truth.
Tha last book of New Testament was completed about 700 years before that morally depraved murderer appeared on the scene and these ignoramuses talk of the bible being changed,based on his claims.

@neoteny.
That's precisely what we're saying,that Islam is a religion founded with hate,terror,Arabian paganism mixed with poorly plagiarized Talmudic fables and old testament stories.And its so-called prophet as we now know was a war-monger,mass-murderer,rapist,paedophile who promised enclosed garden of paradise with wine, peopled with full breasted virgins for endless orgy and pleasure of Arab suicide bombers and their brothers in Northern Nigeria.
I use to have a grudging respect for him just because some people,and a few of them decent individuals, held him up as a sacred figure,but now I know he is not worth it.I will forever have the deepest contempt for him and his well documented atrocities.
The truth really hurts.

And the 1st poster of this thread can at last have his answer now from a true son of the Chiefest of the Terrorist himself,here is it; "YES WE ARE BAD AND VIOLENT BUT WE ARE JUST KILLING SCUM AND MAGGOTS AND WE WONT STOP"(NEOTENY).
Muhammad would have been proud of you were he alive!

Am still in a state of shock about what am finding out about Mohammed and the early days of Islam, on the prophet of doom website.
Am sure about 70% of people;Muslims,Christians,Jews,freethinkers are ignorant of this astonishing history.
And the ignorance is costly.


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I have to thank babyosisi and loverBwoy for some of the infos am coming in contact with for the 1st time.
I will take my time to study this materials very well.
I didn't know the scale of depravity that sex pervert sunk into blindfolding millions of people to destruction.
The facts are just too revolting! he was a morally repulsive individual even by pagan standard of morality!
Where are his apologists?

The point is how can a man who slept with a 9 year old,a paedophile in today's vocabulary claim he's leading people to God,and great hordes of humanity follow him and kill innocent people on his behalf.
One can accept Christ claims because he was sinless,an epitome of perfection.It's not just only the Gospel writers that proclaim this,even secular Roman historians agree on the facts of his life.
@ Neoteny we are not saying there is no sex in the bible,it was God Himself that created it.A lot of people you refer to were humans like Mohammed but they don't make outrageous claims about how perfect they are or how they're leading people to God,because the historical facts of their lives show that they were ordinary human beings.
The sordid facts of Mohammed's life rebuke all his moral posturings.

This is quite revealing babyosisi.Never aware of some of these bits of Mohammed's life.
I only knew he  listed women as one of the things he enjoyed most.
So does anybody wonder now why suicide bombers race to their death because of the plenty virgins(not sure of the number 7 or 21) that await them in their paradise? Such debauchery!

Also lived in the North,but that's not my only basis for my opinion on Islam.
You really have to thank God,that the religion means Peace.
If it has meant something else,then the whole world would be on fire.
Look out the Northern part of Nigeria,Middle East,India;Islam is so amenable to violence that they're forever on the offensive fighting Christians,Jews and Hindus.
Let's address the contemporary issues and historical facts:What religion spread from its origin by the force of arms,or promised many virgins in paradise for Jihadists killed in battle or prescribed death for change of beliefs?
How about the issue Salman Rushdie raised in 'Satanic Verses' and was sentenced to death?
I have Muslim 1st cousins who I believe are 'sensible' enough to understand the sacredness of our blood ties,but even at that I would never trust them completely with my life,you just never know. They live in Northern Nigeria and I know of a guy who attacked his own cousin during one of the numerous orgy of church burning and massacres in that part.
Don't even go near the issue of tolerance even when what you say is true.
Remember the Miss World riot in Nigeria 3 years ago(am not a supporter of Miss World anyway).
What the Thisday journalist said was that Mohammed would not have minded adding one of the girls to his harem.
Now in the light of a statement ascribed to him,that the 3 things he enjoy most in life were;prayers,perfume and women,was the violence the assertion generated justified?

Hi, young ladies thank u for your response.

Grizzly:
wtf?!!
are u not supposed to douse the flames or what?

You see I was disappointed by Zizou's action when we were watching.
Later, I was angry at the Italian that he was able to get at him at a very sensitive point for him to have reacted so violently.
I know that Italians can be very cynical,and don't mind using underhand method to achieve their aim.
I still remember with regret what they did to Amokachi and Amuneke in USA'94.They made calculated, vicious tackles on those powerhouse of our attack('supermen' according to their coach) and they went on to play in the finals.
We all know those 2 never fully recover from their injuries.