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I wonder why fayose wasn't able to pay salaries despite being in PDP.. Probably was was secretly in APC.

If Jesus was in nairaland, some religious folks would've have preached against his teachings and doctrines.

PraiseDLord:
You and your pastor's ploy to encourage men and women to continue in sin will surely fail by the grace of God.
Use your head now!!!
Was Judas not a disciple ? Ye, even an apostle of Christ at a time! He was one of the seventy sent out by the Lord Himself. He did miracles in Christ's name and also shared his soul winning experience with the Lord. His name was in the book of life then.
However, how did he end up?
Even the Lord said it were better he's not born that betray him and all they will follow the way of backsliding.
If Judas could perish who ate and drank with the Lord and he was even a disciple who left all and follow the Lord, having no other job than to follow the Lord with the rest of the disciples in preaching the gospel ....
Who are you, me or any other person who don't even know physical Jesus , nor have sacrificed next to nothing in comparism with Judas? The Bible is clear - a soul that sinneth shall die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even the Lord said "He that putteth his hand in the plough and then look back is not fit for the kingdom of God!
Don't be deceived, no matter who said anything to the contrary of the biblical injuction shall not stand.
Rather than quoting what men said, why not follow and quote the Bible so that you will not be ashamed at last.
Remember, the Bible says " that which is highly esteemed among men (no matter the title or how highly respected) is abomination in the sight of God!!!

Performing miracles in the name of Christ doesn't mean one is saved. Judas and the rest disciples weren't saved as at the time Jesus was on earth. Jesus had not yet died. His blood had not yet atoned of the sin of man. So Judas didn't lose his salvation. He like the rest weren't saved.

No matter the sacrifice and good works someone does for God, if that person does not believe in the remdemptive power of the blood to set him free from all his sins that person will die and go to hell. His works and sacrifices will be burnt cos they're dead works. Look at Cornelius. He was a good man who does righteous deeds. He gave to the poor and needy. He was a righteous and moral man. But all his works were dead and couldn't save him. That's why God in his mercies decided his works shouldn't be wasted. So he sent Peter through an angel to tell him (Cornelius) about Christ. Cornelius and his households believed in the gospel and then were saved. If he had not believed in. the gospel of Christ, he'd have died and gone to hell despite his good works.

Now let's go back to Judas.
Judas was one of the disciples of Christ. He performed miracles like the rest of the apostles. He sacrificed his home and comfort like the others. But let's be realistic. Judas didn't considered Jesus any thing more than "rabbi". To him, Jesus was nothing more than a teacher. He didn't believe the teachings of Jesus. Remember, Jesus taught that he was going to die for the sins of mankind. Judas was a disciple of Jesus when Jesus quoted John 3:16. But Judas never believed in his teachings.
He didn't believe that even when he betrayed Jesus, he would have still been forgiven.
Judas didn't go to hell because he betrayed Jesus. He went to hell because he didn't believe his sins could be forgiven by Jesus.

Let's look at Peter.
What peter did wasn't so different from what Judas did. If you ask me I'll say Peter commited the greater sin. Peter denied Jesus to his face not once but 3 times. Remember peter was the only disciple that was revealed by God who Jesus really was. Peter knew who Jesus really was. Remember Jesus said "flesh and blood didn't reveal this to you but my father..". Peter was among the disciple who saw the true glory of Jesus during the transfiguration. Peter unlike Judas really knew which Jesus was yet he denied knowing Christ to His face.

But even after this, peter unlike Judas was able to realise that Jesus was capable of forgiveness no matter the sin committed. He belived in Jesus redemption power by his blood and he was saved.

So my brother. Sin isn't what takes a man to hell. Unbelief does. Righteous deeds isn't what takes a man to heaven. Believing in Christ and his works does..

Bless you..

alBHAGDADI:
Read the context to understand what Jesus meant when he said in Mathew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

He was clearly speaking about the end time tribulation. Of you endure it to the end, you shall be saved or delivered. He wasn't talking about you holding onto self-righteousness till the end. If that's what he meant, then he's clearly saying you are the one saving yourself. No, he was talking about the tribulations that Christians will face in the hands of the Antichrist. Read the entire chapter 24 to get the context clearly.

Don't allow anyone to use one single Verse to deceive you.

Permit me to add this.
Whenever you read any verse try to read some verses before and after it so you can get a clearer picture on what the Bible is trying to say and it's context.

Also know that the Bible was written FOR us but not every part was written TO us. Somd part were written to the Jews, some to the gentiles, some to the saved, some to the unsaved, some to the believer that falls into sin.
So make sure you know the intended audience of that passage for proper understanding of what the bible says there..

Note: The Bible seems to contradict itself only in the mind of a lazy Christian..

HUMAN/MORTAL DEATH IS NEVER GOD’S TOOL of getting things done
Death is God’s Enemy
1Co 15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
So Death is not an employee of God
Death is not under God’s payroll
So therefore
Any Revival you initiated by killing witches does not Glorify God
Jesus did not send you to use any dubious and devilish Method to win souls at all Cost
See this example
Luk 9:51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he steadfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
Luk 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
Luk 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Jesus would have said
Good guys
That is right
Let’s pepper them
KILL THEM
Let the Witches die by Fire
That Governor that stopped my crusade will not see tomorrow
I will show them that God truly called me
They don’t know the anointing that I carry
IF I BE A MAN IF GOD
That Herbalist will DIE IN SEVEN DAYS
Sadly, Our Jesus never spoke like this
But what sayest the saviour
Oh
what a loving Jesus we have
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village.
MY GUY, IT’S NOT COMPULSORY that every man must like you or approve your Message
Irrespective of the response of the sinner, Don’t INVOKE wrath
Don’t invoke any anti redemptive authority
The Gospel is more than Getting men saved
It also includes teaching men the character Of God
Yes Alot of death happened in the old testament
Jesus reproved that wrath and unforgiveness that Moses taught by deeds and words
Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
…..
This is what Moses once taught
Deu 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; [but] life [shall go] for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
That is serious
Same also here
Lev 24:19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
Jesus corrected Moses
That NO, That was never his will for his children to repay Evil for Evil
Same way, Jesus corrected then about devoice
Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
That tells us that Some deeds and words of Moses and Elijah are not justified before God
God can save without men harming the opponents
God can give Canaan to Israel without the death of any of those nations
David Got this at a time
Your Enemies don’t have to leave the stage for you to enjoy God’s blessing
Because God wants the Enemy saved too
Psa 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Also
Stop saying ‘What if the Enemy refuse to change
How long did you think its ‘Longsuffering?’
Its The Character of God
The fruit of the Spirit that you have
So back to our text now
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
(those are from (Exo_21:23-25; Lev_24:19-20; Deu_19:21).
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
So clear
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and [to] the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
HIS GOSPEL must be preached by HIS METHOD (Not ours)
The anger of man doesn’t achieve the righteous purpose God.

Charles Haddon Spurgeon on the eternal security of the believer:
I have heard it said by some preachers, that when the Christian is holy, he is in the covenant; that when he sins, he is crossed out again; that when he repents, he is put in again, and if he fails he is scratched out once more; and so he goes in and out of the door, as he would in and out of his own house.
He goes in at one door and out of another. He is sometimes the child of God, and sometimes the child of the devil—sometimes an heir of heaven, and anon an heir of hell.
And I know one man who went so far as to say that although a man might have persevered through grace for sixty years, yet should he fall away the last year of his life—if he should sin and die so, he would perish everlastingly, and all his faith, and all the love which God had manifested to him in the day’s gone by would go for nothing.
I am very happy to say that such a notion of God is just the very notion I have of the devil.
I could not believe in such a God, and could not bow down before him. A god that loves today and hates tomorrow; a God that gives a promise, and yet foreknows after all that man shall not see the promise fulfilled; a God that forgives and punishes—that justifies and afterwards executes—is a God that I cannot endure.
He is not the God of the Scriptures I am certain, for He is immutable, just, holy, and true, and having loved his own, He will love them to the end, and if He hath given a promise to any man, the promise shall be kept, and that man once in grace, is in grace forever, and shall without fail by-and-by enter into glory

paxonel:
The church dont need miracles this modern day
What they need is education and love.

Love is far greater than any miracle .

Any pastor seeking to perform miracle and deliverance in a country where there is no love, that pastor na moi moi pastor

I think you're making some sense. Those blind, leprous, paralysed and dead folks didn't need any miracles from Jesus too.. Jesus should have just showed blind Bartimeus some love. He'd have just educated him and left him blind even though he had the power to make him see..

Having compassion on blind bartimeus isn't an act of love but hate. Jesus hated every one he healed and raised from the dead.

Same with Peter, Paul and the other apostles. They had no love in them that's why they healed the people they healed..

Thanks for letting me know this. I've learnt something today..

adelee777:
Church leaders don't have authority over you. The only authority is Christ. Or can you give me a scripture to back that up? I will appreciate it.

I never said they had authority over my life or anyone's life. I only gave an advice that they should be respected since they leaders in their respective churches .. Remember I said their false message should be preached against but they have to be respected..

pmb did it

The FALL DOWN AND DIE prayers is either confusing or satanic Because If it's men you are praying to die Then you are sponsoring evil in the name of the Church. Then you are working against Jesus and his redemption plan. And don't forget You at least have Once be an enemy of someone before. Can't we at least copy Jesus? Why we are Yet sinners, Christ died for us He didn't murder us. And on the other way If it's spirit you are referring to Then you are confusing saints Spirits don't die Jesus NEVER told anyone of them to die So why this Prayer slang? Who should FALL DOWN AND DIE? .....Additional information..... No where in the Bible were prayer points made about demons On demons Believers cast out demons Not pray against demons.

Originakalokalo:
What of someone who profess Christ denies Jesus later ?

as an apostate?

Christians who just believed and was swept away by things of this world..

and denied Christ?

Does once saved always saved theory apply here?

if a case like this happens, what makes him fall away?..

God?

or he did not work out his salvation with fear and trembling?

Those the ones that profess Christ but never quite believed in his redemptive work of salvation. Those are the ones that called him lord but never made him the true lord of their lives. The ones that prophesied and casted out devils using his name and authority but never believed he died for their sins. Those that did many wonderful and good works on earth but never believed He took away their sins. To them, Jesus will profess that he never knew them. He isn't lying when he says this. He actually never knew them cos from the beginning, they actually never believed in him. They never believed in his power to save. In this case they were never saved from the beginning..

I stand by this and will continue to stand by it..
A believer do not strive to become righteous or Holy. A believer is made and declared righteous the moment he/she believes.

I stand by this and will continue to stand by it..
A believer do not strive to become righteous or Holy. A believer is made and declared righteous the moment he/she believes.

rhektor:
I will answer your questions this way
1 corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
Phillipians 3:12-14
Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

With the above passes you should know that I am working towards perfection that's me now you can continue in your sin and fool yourself that Jesus will safe you because he had died on the cross sorry Bro it doesn't work that way, you have your role to play

Since you claimed you haven't attained perfection yet it means you aren't holy yet. Remember without holiness no man can see God. So for now you're in danger of hell if rapture should come right now.

So tell me this.. At what point do a believer become perfect?

ON SPRINKLING THE BLOOD
The reason most Christians argue against eternal salvation and eternal forgiveness of sins is because they have used the blood to do every mundane thing that it is not meant for that they can't believe the same blood can forgive sins forever
When you have used the blood to wipe your windscreen
cover your tires
cover the road
to bathe
drank it as Zobo
used it for feet washing
used it to fight enemies and sprinkle on demons
used it to cover your money
used it as blood money charm
used it for your house and your goods in the market....
After using it for all these physical and carnal things how will you not argue that it can forgive sins forever?
How can the same blood you pour as Fanta into your cup every day along with biscuits to eat as communion be potent enough to forgive your sins past, present and future?
How can the same blood you finish on your goods in the market and on the highway today and tomorrow you need to plead a fresh one have the ability to forgive sins forever?
You are used to renewing it every day
The one you used to cover the road yesterday has expired
You need fresh one today for your journey
The one of last night has expired
How can the same blood now be eternal to save you once and save you forever?
It's all carnality walking the earth in the cloak of spirituality
It's all ignorance and carnality walking the earth!

rhektor:
This is not about me but what Jesus said stop shifting goal post

Answer the question Sir

Grace preachers
Beware of extreme typologies
The rod of moses is the anointing
His white beards is sanctification
His sandals means dominion
Aaron's rod that budded is GRACE
Pastor says :David's catapult is speaking in tongues
Me: What of the stones?
Pastor ; Interpretation of tongues
Me; What of Goliath?
The devil
Me; So we give interpretation of tongues to the devil?
Pastor ; Ehmmm
Me: You are tired
See in ministry
Rhema kills, but Jesus saves
Stick with Jesus
Be simple with the Bible
Don't say what it doesn't say
E.g
Who told us the name of the devil before was Lucifer?
No where
Just a rumor birthed by impatient scriptural interpretation
Lucifer was a king
Whose characters was prophetically used to relate what the devil did
Same too was Pharaoh
Same too Nebuchadnezzar
So understand the difference between a reference and an exact
The 91 dollar prophet also gave a Rhema on this during one broadcast I heard live on TBN then
That Devil Fell because God prophesied it
That God's name was EL
AND God attached EL to all the name s of his elect Angels
GabriEL
MichaEL
UriEL
RaphaEL
He said but God called devil
LucifER
He said that is why he fell
That God planned it that way
See
When you love fame ehn
You will be willing to do anything to remain relevant.
Do ministry well
Preach the Bible
Don't be a castaway
Meaning
Don't Fail.God on earth

rhektor:
But why did he say STRIVE TO ENTER? This statement alone negates everything you wrote here. Remember in one of your comments you quoted Paul in his letter to the Romans "shall we continue in sin and say grace should abound? Certainly not" so going by this you have your role to play. Jesus also said that "every word that men speak they will account for on the day of judgement Mathew 12:37. I put it to you that if words would be judged then actions would be judged too. Bro stop deceiving yourself and others here we all are responsible for whatever we do here on earth. Jesus offers us salvation freely but we must act in accordance with all his terms which includes holy living. Living a holy life is a painstaking effort it takes a lot of discipline to live rightly because we are still human but it can be achieved. God is a merciful God yes but we must always remember that this same God is the God of justice.
Shalom

In my comment about Paul's letter "shall we continue in sin.." did you read it to the end to get what I was saying?

Now let me ask you something. Be honest. Have you been living a holy and perfect life since you got saved?

Salvation for us is as simple as accepting what God has already accepted -the death of Jesus as payment in full for all our sins. Jesus’ death in our place as our substitute, satisfied the justice of God. Salvation is as simple as swapping your sins for God's righteousness. He takes your sins - you take His righteousness. You become Holy and perfect in his eyes.

rhektor:
Salvation can not be lost? What are trying to put up here man? If this is true Jesus would not have told John in revelation 3 to warn the Severn churches in Asia. Brother, you must strive to enter, STRIVE TO ENTER us not my own coinage it is not my own word but that of Jesus himself. It is not the word of Paul neither is it that of Peter. It is not what I was told by my pastor or a prophet unless you do not believe in Jesus, or probably you do not believe the truth of the Bible then you may provide us with how you come about your salvation message
Peace of the Lord be with you

“For He Himself has said, ‘I will never leave you nor forsake you.’ Hebrews 13:5.

This is an unconditional statement made by Jesus. It is without any terms and conditions.

“I will never leave you…”— not for any reason; not my sin, selfishness, stubbornness, nor waywardness.

It has never been about me but about Him. Never about my actions but about his Love. His unconditional love for me..

He will never leave me. Neither will he forsake me..

Originakalokalo:
I get your points... You asked me to give you a place where the Pharisee acted against the law...

And from this reply of yours, You are trying to justify the Pharisee.. despite these statements from Jesus:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them."
(Luke 11: 44)


But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God:
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. "
(Luke 11: 42)


They could pay tithes of anything... but they omit weightier matters of LAW, MERCY, FAITH AND LOVE...
They were not righteous, they were not justified.

So, when Jesus said that unless our righteousness is more than that of a Pharisee, we will not enter the kingdom of God..

He is talking about professing love for him and not doing his will...

God bless you.

I wasn't trying to justify them. The law justified them.

Paul kept the law when he persecuted the church. He was so zealous in keeping the law.

Phil 3:6; I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault.
The law justified his acts.


He obeyed the law without fault yet he still counted it as loss to Christ.
Verse 7; But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

Paul was a pharisee before his conversion. He considered the righteousness of the law garbage. The only righteousness God wants from us is that of faith in Jesus. Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law.

Gal 2:16; And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law."

Even if the pharisee had obeyed the weightier matters of the law, they still wouldn't have been in right standing with God.

Originakalokalo:
I get your points... You asked me to give you a place where the Pharisee acted against the law...

And from this reply of yours, You are trying to justify the Pharisee.. despite these statements from Jesus:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them."
(Luke 11: 44)


But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God:
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. "
(Luke 11: 42)


They could pay tithes of anything... but they omit weightier matters of LAW, MERCY, FAITH AND LOVE...
They were not righteous, they were not justified.

So, when Jesus said that unless our righteousness is more than that of a Pharisee, we will not enter the kingdom of God..

He is talking about professing love for him and not doing his will...

God bless you.

I wasn't trying to justify them. The law justified them.

Paul kept the law when he persecuted the church. He was so zealous in keeping the law.

Phil 3:6; I was so zealous that I harshly persecuted the church. And as for righteousness, I obeyed the law without fault.
The law justified his acts.


He obeyed the law without fault yet he still counted it as loss to Christ.
Verse 7; But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

Paul was a pharisee before his conversion. He considered the righteousness of the law garbage. The only righteousness God wants from us is that of faith in Jesus.

God is Life, no death in Him.
God is Love, no hate in Him.
God is Light, no darkness in Him.
God is Good, no evil in Him.
God is Faithful, no failing to be who He is.
God is Gracious, no lack of mercy in Him.
God is seen clearly in Christ. No shadows and no stammering.
My Seven most emphatic Creeds from the Bible that summarizes the true nature of God-Pastor Alvin Eghosa

THESE ARE THE LAST DAYS.

This phrase has been used to scare many believers and birth fear of that defeated thing called the devil even in believers. Movies and videos have been made from it and the original meaning seems to have been lost.

When we say "these are the last days", we do not mean these are the days of wars, famine, strange acts and corrupt behavior. All these have been in existence from time immemorial. E.g: homosexuality existed already in Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:5). The acts of the devil are not new; it is not an intelligent being.

When we say "these are the last days", we mean that these are the Days of Christ; the Days of Forgiveness of sins; the Days where the knowledge of the glory of God in the Face of Jesus permeates the earth. These are the days when nothing else can be added to what God has already done in Christ. He has spoken once and for all time.

Heb 1:2 shows us that these are the days of the speakings of Christ:
"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
Act 2:17 shows the same thing as the days of the pouring out of the Spirit :
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
Even 2Ti 3:1
"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts"
and 2 Pet. 3:3
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come"
which are widely used to propagate the theory of the last days as scary times was used by the Apostles Paul and Peter respectively to describe the persecution and sway from sound doctrine that one might encounter in the preaching of the Gospel. This is also not something new, as from the Book of Acts we already see this in display.
Next time when you hear that these are the last days, rejoice for these are the days when Christ and all He has done is revealed in all the earth. Dance in ecstasy for the privilege to be alive in these Days of the redemptive work of the Son.

Not an original writing.

Originakalokalo:
You asked me to show you one instance where the Pharisee break the law...

I will give you 7.

1. This is a statement from the Pharisee...

(John 11 )
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47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.

48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.


see verse 53:

" Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death."
(John 11: 53)


The idea to kill Jesus is born out of the fact that he did many miracles and PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IN HIM....


Don't forget that they knew that NO ONE could do those miracles except God is with him.

That is envy, and hypocrisy.

2. Jesus healed a man born blind..The man told them this:

"If this man were not from God, he could do nothing


This is the reply of the Pharisees:

."9:34To this they replied, "You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!" And they threw him out.


3. Look at Nicodemus's statement to the Pharisees...

(John 7 )
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51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?

If they know the law, why not practice it?

4. A woman was caught in adultery... and they brought the man to Jesus to tempt him...

If the woman was caught in the ACT of adultery.. WHERE WAS THE MAN?

What does their law say about anyone caught in adultery?

5. " And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day;

that they might find an accusation against him."
(Luke 6: 7)


This was when Jesus was about to heal a man with withered hand...

Does the law of Moses oppose healing on sabath day? all what they were looking for was ACCUSATIONS.

6 This is Jesus to the Pharisee

" But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God:

these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. "
(Luke 11: 42)

They could pay tithes of anything... but they omit weightier matters of LAW, MERCY, FAITH AND LOVE...

who omits any of these and still claim righteousness?

7. This is another character of the Pharisee from THE CREATOR HIMSELF:

" Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them."
(Luke 11: 44)


I am surprised that you could ask this question.

if you claim that the Pharisee obeyed the law with all these,

Then you call Jesus statement to question

and call the Alpha and Omega a liar.


Beware of what you say. Unknowingly, you may err.

Jesus is Lord.

You still don't get it do you?

The pharisees brought a woman to Jesus to tempt him. The law clearly states that anyone caught in adultery was to be put to death. The woman was caught in the very act of adultery and the law demands her death. The fact they didn't bring the
man too was wrong but it still doesn't changes the fact that the woman was to die according to the law.

Now they brought only the woman. Their intent was to put him in a corner. If he had said they should leave her, the Pharisee would have said he was disobeying the law. They'd probably had showed him the exact scripture that says the woman was to be put to death. On the other hand if Jesus had said the woman was to die, they'd have jumped up and clap their hands. They'd have said Jesus didn't practice the forgiveness he preaches.. They'd have won.

But the thing that they didn't know was that Jesus was the author of the law and he couldn't be put in a corner by it. So what Jesus did was to make that infamous statement, "let him that is without sin cast the first stone." And guess what happened?it was the oldest that left first. The ones that are supposed to be without sin that left first. Guess why? Cos even though they kept the law they still didn't see themselves as sinless. The fault finding law still found fault with them.

The law forbade the Jews to do any work on Sabbath day. Even insignificant work like gathering manna on Sabbath day was frowned upon by the law.

In Luke 6, Jesus and his disciples went into the cornfields to pluck corns to eat on the sabbath. The pharisees came to accuse Jesus of breaking the law. Jesus didn't just say what he did was lawful. They'd have held is words against him if he did. instead he reminded them of when David ate food that wasn't lawful for him to eat.

In verse 6, Jesus healed a man with a withered hand on a Sabbath day. The Pharisees again accused him of breaking the law. Jesus didn't argue with them on whether he was doing something lawful or not. They'd have held his statement against him. He simply asked them if it was lawful to do good or bad on the Sabbath day. They couldn't answer him.

The pharisees tried to push Jesus to a corner with his statements. They'd have had some points against Jesus if he had answered them directly...


I'm sure you might not get my points. But I'm sure if read well you'll notice I'm trying to make points the obeying the law cannot and will not save you..

You quoted Nicodemus question to the Pharisees. But I tell you, if Nicodemus didn't believe in Jesus he'd have died and he'd have gone to hell even though he wasn't like the rest of the Pharisees. He too needed Jesus to be made perfect. Obeying the law doesn't make one Holy. Only Christ is capable of making one Holy..

Originakalokalo:
If you believe that you will go to heaven after dying on a LovePeddler, simply because you are a child of God,

Then you need to go back to the Bible and start reading from the book of Genesis...

Beware of the doctrines of the devils.

Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

Jesus said that unless our righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees.. we shall not enter into the kingdom of God..

The Pharisees professes to know the law, but they acted against it.

They were hypocrites and no righteousness was found in them.

The only thing they always shouted was THE LAW OF MOSES ..

If You always profess Jesus, and you don't see the reason why you should live the kind of life

he lived,

Then you are a Pharisee...and your righteousness is the same with theirs....You will not enter into the kingdom of God.


Not everyone that call me Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of God...

they called him Lord, but do iniquity.. They will have no part in him.

The first thing the holy spirit does in the life of man is to make him run from sin...

This is what the law cannot achieve... That is why apostle Paul condemned the law...but anchored Christianity on grace...

grace is the holy spirit, that is given to man, which enables man to do the will of God.

Stop preaching heresies.

Jesus is Lord.

I'm sure you didn't read my post from the beginning to the end.

Can you tell me one instance the pharisee did something that was against the law?

Without holiness no man can see God. What are the requirements for attaining holiness?
Didn't the law condemned fornication and adultery too? Didn't the law condemned immorality? You keep talking about living right, did the law demand wrong living? Didn't the law asked us to give to the poor and needy? Didn't the law asked us to honour our elders? Wasn't the law against idol worship? Why then was the old covenant replaced with the new? Why then was the pharisee still unrighteous even after obeying the law? Why then was Jesus blood still needed to get someone saved?

If you abstain from fornication and immoral acts and you give to the poor and you do not believe in the redemptive power of the blood of Christ, you'd die and make hell.

This is what we preach. We don't preach "believe in Jesus and sin you'll make heaven" as you people claim we do. It is your pride and sin consciousness that make you take our preaching that way.

Without holiness no man can see God. Living right can't and won't make you holy. Believing in Christ remains the only way one can attain holiness. This is what we preach...
Jesus is lord!

rhektor:
Looking up to him does not mean that we would do nothing Jesus himself said that we should "strive to enter because the way is narrow" Luke 13:24. Ponder over this, salvation is free but keeping your salvation is at a price and you can loose it. Denmas lost his own, Judas lost his own too so bro I will compel you to strive strive strive to enter. Why do think Paul was begging the Romans congregation to present their bodies as a living sacrifice in Romans 12:1? Bro looking unto Jesus does not mean you should shouldn't work out your salvation by your own actions it simply means that you should act like Jesus, you should follow hiss steps. Always ask yourself this question before every of your actions "what would Jesus do"
May the peace of the Lord be with you

Salvation being eternal life cannot be lost. If someone could lose eternal life then it wasn't eternal in the first place.

Judas didn't loose his salvation. He wasn't saved in the first placed. The 12 disciples weren't saved prior to Jesus death because Jesus had not yet shed his blood which was the requirement for salvation.

Denmas fell into sin didn't mean he lost his salvation. Not one verse in the Bible ever tells us that salvation could be lost.

rhektor:
Your assertion here appeals to common sense however its not an acceptable explanation for the passages you're trying to wound into your story of once saved forever saved.
For your righteousness to exceed that of the pharisee you must be a doer of the word of God, that is acting, talking and comporting yourself in accordance with the word of God not just that people think that you are doing it but that you really are doing it the right way.
Why would it be the religious leaders that crucified Jesus? Simple, he was always bursting their myths whatever they were hiding from people he made it known he set the record straight people have been holding them in high esteem he came and told the people these pharisees that you have been thinking are doing the right things are only deceiving you they've been doing the wrong things in secrete. I am still waiting for you to talk about those verses I posted earlier even though the question was not directed to you however, since you took it upon yourself to respond to it please do ASAP
Someone even said here that shine your light I put it to the person to tell us how he's going to shone his light?
Would every believer begin to go about with flashlight like Zack Adzee lols ? No
It by how you live your life the see the attributes of God in you

I am waiting for you to tell me how you're not going to conform to the world, how you will show your works of faith, how you work out your salvation with fear and trembling, how you will be perfect as your heavenly father, how you will strive to enter (according to Jesus Luke 13:24) etc the list is just endless

The law (the 10 commandments) was powerless to make us right with God because of our sinful nature (Heb . It isnt to say the law was not perfect. Everything God does is perfect. So is the law. But we just couldn't handle the law because of our flesh was too weak. The law was too fault-finding. We had to keep every commandment to the end. If we break just one, we would be guilty of breaking all of them (James 2:10). Keeping the 10 commandments could look easy to us. Isn't it just to serve God, worship God, not bow to any other gods, not to dishonour your parents, not to murder, commit adultery, or fornication, not to steal, lie, covet our neighbors property etc. It looks easy right? But trust me it isn't. When you think you haven't committed adultery but you look at that pretty girl that just walked past you lustfully, you just committed adultery. When you think you haven't lie but you tell one white lie in the office or you tell a lie to save a friend you just broke the 6th commandment. When you think you honour your parents but you just called Buhari a fool and an idiot, you've dishonored your parents, when you think you've never murdered someone in your entire life but you call your brother a fool, the law will label you guilty of murder. When you think you haven't coveted your neighbor's property but you look at Davido's Lamborghini and you say in your mind "I wish that car is mine", you've just coveted. When you think you've never served any other God but instead of going to church on Sunday you had to be in your workplace, the law finds you guilty of idol worship.
The law deems almost anything you do as a man sin. Obeying the law could never have made us perfect of righteous.

The law was powerless in making the Pharisees righteous hence the statement of Jesus.

The pharisees obeyed the law but Jesus still said our righteousness must exceed theirs to be saved. The righteousness of obeying the law, of good works can never make us holy, righteous or perfect.

So what God did was to make things easy for us was send his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering (the same Heb . So he fulfilled the law for us. So once we believe in him we have kept and fulfilled all the laws of God to the end.


But then you might ask, "perfectbeing, are you now saying that if someone believes in Jesus and he steals or murder someone, are you saying he's still in right standing with God?" You might want to quote Romans 6:1. But let me ask you something first, did you see me write to in anywhere that you should go and steal since you've believed and no longer under the law? Go and steal or kill if you like. You'll know whether the police is your friend or not.
That's not what I'm saying. When you believe your sinful nature is been replaced with the nature of Christ. Romans 6:1 says... Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? What was the reply in vs 2? "God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"
Impossible. Believers can no longer live in sin because the nature of sin is dead and buried. But it is still possible for for us believers to fall into sin (not live in sin) sometimes because even though our nature is changed, we still live in this weak body of ours. Our minds still needs to be regenerated. That can only happen when we keep reading and meditating on God's word daily.

Striving for perfection and Holiness isn't possible with good works. Perfection is attained the moment a believer believes in Christ once and forever. Christ is the righteousness of God. And only when you believe in him will you be made holy or righteous or perfect before God once and forever. God doesn't see the believer anymore. He only sees Christ in the believer. And only in Christ is God pleased with. Not good works or morals... Only Christ..

daraj:
verse 11 said such were some of you. This refers to the past before they gave their life to Jesus. But a practicing christian committing adultery is not in the past. Can she be justified for that.I think the provision God made for that is to confess and forsake that sin for her to have mercy and that was the reason she left the marriage.

If Jesus' blood could only atone for past sins then it is not so different from the blood animals used before his death.. They could only cleanse your past sins too.

By the way Jesus died over 2000 years ago, since you claim his blood covers only past sins then it shouldn't be able to cover our sins of today since our sins are future sins.

Since you people tend to assume that this "once saved forever saved" doctrine that we preach is a license to sin, how would you take it if people assume confession of sins is a license to sin. After all, one could just sin and then confess his or her sin and he'd be forgiven.

The reason you people assume such is because of your sin consciousness. You're just too conscious of sin that you throwaway the part of the gospel we preach that says a believer is dead to sin. You only focus on the "sin" part. You keep asking, "are you now saying that..." You throw away the part where we say his sinful nature is done away with. So when he commits sin he is uncomfortable in it. He was comfortable when he steals before he was saved. Now that he's saved he feels uncomfortable cos now he's a new creature. His old self is dead.

I leave you with this question.

Since you claim the "once saved away saved" doctrine is a false gospel giving believers the license to sin, how come Christians who don't believe in such gospel (even preach against it) sin? How come do members of work based salvation churches still sin? What is their license to sin?

Iamdazzle:
You equate excessive fear to anger now

OK but just so you know, there is also a spirit of fear which possesses people, so yeah, a heightened state of fear is akin to possession.
A true Christian must not fear. 2Timothy 1:7 by that scripture you can attest 'there is a spirit of fear' and Sir, it can possess anyone if you allow it.

This is my final reply, tired of explaining thesame thing over and over. A closed mindset helps noone.

Being a believer doesn't mean we have a perfect body. In this weak body we are (believer or not)ted to it's weakness such as pain, fear, hunger, loneliness, anger, lust, depression, sadness.etc. Even Jesus felt pain, hunger, fear, sadness and loneliness on the cross.. But his immense love for us overshadowed all of these weakness.. A believer feels fearful or angry doesn't mean he's possessed by a demon... He's only human..

This is also my last post..

live4dgospel:
Just believing can't send people to heaven but believing correctly

John 3:16; For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son that whosoever believe in him correctly shall not perish but have everlasting life..