jesusjnr2020: When they are told they are the seed of Christ and that they inherited His righteousness, why would they want to repent?
That would give them the encouragement to continue in their abominable ways, as regardless, they would still be saved and allowed into heaven.
That's how such false ideas have encouraged the wicked and workers of iniquity to continue in their evil ways.
Such false beliefs and teachings have made sin to abound.
Jesus had no seed so no man inherited His righteousness, that's why no worker of iniquity would be allowed into heaven.
Matthew 13:41-42 (KJV) .
Wrong teaching still. Dealing with gay is a different issue. Dealing with your false doctrine that no one has christ righteousness is a different thing.
Christians have the gift if righteousness. If any man sin all he need do is repent
FarmTech: . Preaching against sin does not have only one purpose. It helps sinners to repent or see the need to repent. It helps Christians to grow from infants to maturity. Fact is, if anyone live in sin, he is not a christian. He have not been saved. If u dress like a prostitute or cultist, u are not a Christian and u have not been saved. Such a person is only deceiving him/herself. .
What of the one that insult people on nairaland. Is he a Christian also
musa234: Buhari is a total disaster.. People don't know that the northerners are facing the heat too. From insecurity to inflation to unemployment.. Buhari failed the north, he failed Nigerians.
He should be tried for TREASON!. Chadians and fulanis fron Niger republic are filling up our nation against next election.
jesusjnr1: My apologies to the sheep of Christ (the righteous), not the goats oh (workers of iniquity). Matthew 25:31-46
I couldn't post the update of my righteousness series yesterday because I was unjustly banned for righteousness sake. I was angry but God told me it was normal,
jesusjnr1: You mean, like these Christians workers of iniquity?
Matthew 7:22-23 (KJV)
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
jesusjnr2020: Which Christian are you talking about? The one that works iniquity or the righteous one that obeys God's Word?
If we have to determine who is the Christian by human works or righteousness you don't stand a chance. You are full of bile and malicious, rude and you demonstrate the lack of Christian fruit of the spirit you're full of strife and contentious..
This is not to comdemn We accept you by the blood of christ .
But you should one that the word of God does not require strife and negative emotion. Truth is supposed to be in love . Correction I humility. More so when you stand the chance of being I error yourself
Kindly meditate on the scripture below
2Ti 2:24 — 2Ti 2:25 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
Back to my question . Does a Christian have same righteousness as Jesus?
jesusjnr2020: Even the Pharisees said same of Jesus when he spake the Truth to them, so I'm not surprised that someone who reasons like them thinks the same way of His disciple who uses the Truth of Jesus Words to do the same thing Jesus used His Words to do to their lies.
It's not to appear humble in the sight of men as the likes of you do, but to be humble before God.
But you can keep deceiving yourself that you're humble, when your pride refuse to let you humble yourself to the Truth of Jesus Words which has obviously humbled you.
Does a Christian have thesame righteousness as christ ?
BassReeves: John 12:24 'Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.'
John 12:32-33 '32And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself." 33He said this to indicate the kind of death He was going to die.'
jesusjnr2020, why not please tell, who, in John 12:24 above, is the Seed and seeds referring to?
When it comes to crediting and/or recording anyone with righteousness, it is God's prerogative to determine however He choses to do so
The bottom line is that the underlined common denominator used in attributing righteousness to anyone whether from Abel, to Noah, to Abraham or whatnot, is belief and/or faith that is a very important catalyst and one of the foremost, in the scheme of any righteousness thing.
jesusjnr2020: My friend stop wasting your time quoting all sorts to justify your lies that Christians are Jesus' seed. I have already used His own Words to debunk that idea. Except you believed Jesus lied when He told His disciples that they had only One Father, who is God the Father, because you think Jesus was also their Father.
Ego has entered . You know when you start blasting gun at people as though you know something Instead of responding in Humility. Now that your Idea has been debunked. It's now too shameful to accept. . That is why I always tell folks be humble in your posts even when you disagree. Just incase you're proven wrong you can accept. It takes grace to take correction or admit error.
Bobby4090: This is how the Prophets of the old talk. You dare not mess with them. You dare not mock them. I wonder why Daddy Freeze has not picked a fight with Odumeje.
You're right . The man is a prophet a prophet has the power to pronounce judgment on a person or a nation
2Ki 2:23 — 2Ki 2:24 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
jesusjnr2020: Lol! You went again and quoted a passage you misinterpreted to be Jesus speaking instead of God the Father who had the seed Jesus.
Even in the spiritual sense, there is just one Spiritual Father and it's not Jesus, it's God the Father, Jesus is the Master hence Jesus told His disciples:
Jesus is the word and the Church is born of the word . The church has been predicted to be the sees and generation to serve him
Psa 22:30 — Psa 22:31 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.
Sees simply means offspring The church is his offspring. The Bible says we are created in christ Jesus. We came from him.
Isaiah 53:10 is talking about the church being his seed his offspring .
. . .Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer; and when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days . . .
Who's day is being prolonged and by who?
David said the seed is a generation that will serve him. Ps 22:30
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Posted below are few commentaries of scholars on who the seed is in Isaiah 53:10,
BENSON COMMENTARY Isaiah 53:10. He shall see his seed — His death shall be glorious to himself and highly beneficial to others, for he shall have a numerous seed of believers
JAMIESON FAUSSET BROW COMMENTARY The meaning here is, that the Messiah, though he should be put to death, would yet see great multitudes who should be his spiritual children. Though he should die, yet he would live again, and his days should be lengthened out. It is fulfilled in the reign of the Redeemer on earth and in his eternal existence and glory in heaven.
GILL'S COMMENTARY He shall see his seed; or, "a seed"; a spiritual seed and offspring; a large number of souls, that shall be born again, of incorruptible seed, as the fruit of his sufferings and death; see John 12:24, this he presently began to see after his resurrection from the dead, and ascension to heaven; when great numbers were converted among the Jews, and after that multitudes in the Gentile world, and more or less in all ages; ever since has he had a seed to serve him; and so he will in the latter day, and to the end of time:
BARNES COMMENTARY He shall see his seed - His posterity; his descendants.
jesusjnr2020: What you say is faulty is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus, so you're hence saying the teachings of Jesus was faulty as well.
What did Jesus say
You've thus far failed to show me where Christians were said to be Jesus seed
Isaiah 53:10 . . . he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
or where Jesus said they inherited His righteousness.
Read my posts again. And while you're reading them tell us where Jesus said Christians have partial righteousness
The saying of Jesus you quoted tallies with that which I quoted in the Op where it took the obedience of His Words for any man to partake of the benefit of His righteousness, because Jesus first told God that they had kept His Word before saying that, so that's what made them to abide in His love as He said.
Not that they inherited His righteousness, but they had kept His Word!
If you can't show me where Jesus said Christians inherited His righteousness or used that to judge them, you've proven you have no case but are walking in gross error which could lead you to hell as it has done to many and would do to many Christians who believe that lie.
The problem is your understanding of righteousness. There is difference between righteous work and the nature of righteousness. A Christian has been made righteous . It's a gift received by salvation.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
jesusjnr2020: Not surprised you believe His teaching is faulty .
I didn't say the teaching of Jesus snr is faulty . Its the teaching jesusjnr2020-21 That is faulty
Lol! You obviously don't have any thing Jesus said to back up your claims to prove me right.
Upon all ma quotations?
Ok here is my summary.
If you say because Jesus had no biological offspring no man could have his righteousness. And that our righteousness is only partial part of his. That na error.
Jn 17:16 — Jn 17:21 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. . . . . .That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Firstly by your teaching you're saying the work of Jesus is not complete.
Secondly very Christian have everything Jesus had . Same nature and same righteousness
Col 2:9 — Col 2:10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
jesusjnr2020: Yeah you can also quote even the devil's words in the Bible so that I can argue with it, because i can argue with anything in the Bible which contradict the teachings of Jesus. But you can argue with the Words of Jesus the Master which is the Truth and the standard to measure any other in the Bible.
According to the Words of Jesus, you are walking in gross error! Your idea that Jesus had seed is Antichrist and tantamount to blasphemy.
Moreover, Christ's righteousness is exclusively His, that's why He would judge every man according to the man's own righteousness not his.
This error is why many are walking in iniquity because they wrongly believe that because they call Him Lord in the name of Christianity, His righteousness is theirs.
That's why Jesus ensured He left no doubt about this, when He said He turned back those many anointed workers of iniquity (Christians) who must have believed the lie that they inherited His righteousness, hence they didn't have theirs.
If Christians inherited His righteousness, they would have never turned the many Christians back because of their works of iniquity.
You have no case otherwise you'd show me where Jesus ever suggested such a thing. You can keep arguing with His Words though if you choose.
Stop divergence. Is Jesus righteousness different from a Christian righteousness?
If the answer is NO. Then your teaching is faulty. (That's being polite )
When it comes to naming controversial and questionable pastors in Nigeria, Odumeje comes to mind always. His ministry has been ridden with shocking allegations and controversies from day one and just recently, his connection with ailing comedian, Ada Jesus gave birth to yet another controversy.
It all started in 2020 after the Imo-based comedian accused Odumeje of stage-managing miracles and having an affair with Rita Edochie. Odumeje may be a self-styled man of God but that doesn't change the fact that he is human. He got angry and cursed Ada Jesus and before anyone could finish saying Jack Robinson, the comedian became bedridden and lost her speech ability due to a deteriorating kidney-related disease.
Afraid for her life, her family took her to Odumeje's Church to seek forgiveness on Sunday, April 11, 2021, but Odumeje refused to forgive her, declaring that no one speaks ill against him and go scot-free.
As if that wasn't enough, Odumeje promised he will spiritually afflict her family too, causing him to come under heavy criticism from Nigerians especially Christians who likened him to a fake Christian pastor. 5 days later, Odumeje took a backtrack and finally forgave Ada Jesus, gifting her the sum of 1 million Naira. Sadly, Nigerians were not pleased by his gesture and called on him to prove he is not a fake pastor by healing the now lated comedian.
This begs the question. Who is Odumeje? Why are many Nigerians convinced he is a fake pastor? What is his real connection with Ada Jesus and why did he forgive her after vowing not to initially?
jesusjnr2020: Does it make sense that you had to lie that Jesus had a seed to justify your idea even though you disagreed with mine?
You can argue with the bible. Was it Quran quoted ?
Secondly a Christian is seed. It doesn't have to be biological.
And thirdly you theology is still wrong. You don't have to teach what doesn't make bible sense. We are one with christ . As spirit ,same righteousness. Christ righteousness is not superior
jesusjnr2020: Only your bolded has shown you have no idea what you're talking about.
That was speaking about God's own seed Jesus not anyone else, so please next time, do not be in too much of a hurry to correct someone, otherwise you'd find making such unwarranted blunders.
Thanks and God bless.
Your theology here didn't make sense. Jesus was born of the word . Christians are born of same word. Jesus didn't need to marry and have children to have his nature . The life is in the word
jesusjnr2020: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness
No ,A Christian is seed of his righteousness.
Isa 53:10 — Isa 53:11 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Through one man, Adam, sin came to all men because all men were his descendants.
That was first Adam . There is a second Adam who' is one spirit with the Christian
1 Corinthians 15:45 Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being (an individual personality); the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving Spirit [restoring the dead to life].
1Co 15:48 — 1Co 15:49 Now those who are made of the dust are like him who was first made of the dust (earthly-minded); and as is [the Man] from heaven, so also [are those] who are of heaven (heavenly-minded). . . And just as we have borne the image [of the man] of dust, so shall we and solet us also bear the image [of the Man] of heaven.
Through one Man, Jesus, righteousness could have come to all men, but it didn't because they weren't His descendants
1 Corinthians 6:17 But the person who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with Him.
So no man inherited His righteousness.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Any man that claims to have inherited the righteousness of Jesus is a liar!
No man can inherit the righteousness of Jesus!
Although no man can inherit His righteousness, a man can partake of the benefit of His righteousness.
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The Christian has the same righteousness Jesus had. He has thesame nature of God in christ
paxonel: people saying that Michael Yeodon is wrong,is that what you call conspiracy theory? Oh, anyone saying his opinion and another person now say he is wrong is conspiracy theory to you? Michael Yeodon that is already above 80 years old what do you expect from an old man, don't you know that when someone is becoming too old his sense of accuracy is becoming deteriorating that no one should blame him for that?
It seems you don't know the meaning of conspiracy theory let me explain
Bill gate with his money single handedly developed vaccines that help to eradicate wild polio in Africa no one called him Antichrist or mark 666 then, even pastor Christ Oyakhilome praised him for doing that. Now the man, because he is still having his money is doing the same good work he did, he want to eradicate covid 19, so he sponsors development of vaccines, now people like oyakhilome now called him Antichrist, mark 666,devil. Is that not conspiracy theory?
Let me tell why it is conspiracy theory and is devilish what Chris oyakhilome and people like you are doing You read in the bible there is going to be Antichrist and mark 666 at the end time, this is the end time that we are right? Because you want to justify that we are living in the end time to you every unsual event is an opportunity to say the event are signs of the end time, corona virus is an unusual event right? Meanwhile, there is another one called microchips that was said even before now, so when the corona vaccines are developed you people and oyakhilome want to say the vaccines have micro chips, a vaccine that one man spent his millions out of his goodwill, is that not conspiracy theory? It is evil what you people are doing.
OK, no one is taking about micro chips again because over time the truth is reveal that there are no micro chips anywhere, that micro chips are science fictions of the mind
Now, look at this your thread now, STRANGE DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE(not even micro chips again ), what is that? another conspiracy theory.
What exactly is you people's problem, you were suppose to be Christians, the light of the world for God's sake
Listen to voice of wisdom . The content of the vaccine is dangerous medically secondly . The vaccine is a software for future things to come . Thirdly does the vaccine cure ? NO. Does the vaccine prevent? No!
So.whats this urgency on untested vaccine that doesn't have solution
Sanwo olu took it nothing happened. Osinbajo took it, nothing. Femi Hamzat took it, nothing. Fashiola took it, nothing. Tinubu took it, nothing Makinde took it, nothing
This is already more than one month now that these people were vaccinated
What is now the source of fear, Chris Oyakhilome and Pastors? They will face more sanctions for spreading lies
Nobody is forcing anyone to take it, infact we nor want make una take am, we nor care.
But what is the truth The truth remains that covid 19 infection is still there, infact people are still dying.
It's takes divine intervention. Tension is very high. American can't fight these two wars same time . Its well planned. Eekk ochestraed . It's obvious it's planned to draw U.S.
Let's pray for Bidden . A single mistake from U.S will plug the world into a war