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connectikut89:
Point of correction, that verse talks about the Holy Spirit doing the groaning. Don't misinterprete it please. It is explicitly stated in verse 27. The Holy Spirit does NOT pray through us, He prays on our behalf. And as a matter of fact, groaning does not mean speaking in tongues. Check verses 22 & 23.

Romans 8:26-27 NLT - And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words. And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will.

Roman's 8:26-27 ERV - Also, the Spirit helps us. We are very weak, but the Spirit helps us with our weakness. We don’t know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself speaks to God for us. He begs God for us, speaking to him with feelings too deep for words. God already knows our deepest thoughts. And he understands what the Spirit is saying, because the Spirit speaks for his people in the way that agrees with what God wants.

Let your friend speak for himself na . You be muttelylaff advocate ?

But if you wanna answer for him . What doe that passage refer to . What is groaning ? How does it take place .

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you ojaare brother
I was almost left speechless, looking and laughing at Petra1's post

Never ask a question if you don’t have stomach for the answer . Calling up assistant to cover up is not very smart . Let truth win.

MuttleyLaff:
No, God doesn't need interpretation
and here is my question
Does God at any time expect, recommend, advise or require a special language from us or anyone else for that matter, when praying to Him?

No but because of our limited understanding of his will , when we pray in the spirit the Holyghost who knows the will of God actually does the praying through us .

Romans 8:26-27 (AMPC)
26 So too the [Holy] Spirit comes to our aid and bears us up in our weakness; for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings too deep for utterance.
27 And He Who searches the hearts of men knows what is in the mind of the [Holy] Spirit [what His intent is], because the Spirit intercedes and pleads [before God] in behalf of the saints according to and in harmony with God’s will.

MuttleyLaff:
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I suppose speaking in English,
is different from praying in English
Corporate prayer indeed.

Yes it depends on who you’re speaking to. Question : does God need interpretation ?

sonofthunder:
you are still sounding vague man... you are still out of context.

Really out of context . Its very clear in the Bible that people had the option of giving cash instead of livestock . Those who deal in unclean animals , perishable crops etc all gave cash for first fruits , Tithe’s or offerings

Numbers 18:15-16 (BBE)
15 The first birth of every living thing which is offered to the Lord, of man or beast, is to be yours; but for the first sons of man payment is to be made, and for the first young of unclean beasts. 16 Payment is to be made for these when they are a month old, at the value fixed by you, a price of five shekels by the scale of the holy place, that is, twenty gerahs to the shekel.

Payment was made by cash as Firsfruit in place of firstborn or animals

jamescross:
[i]¹³So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said.
¹⁴For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.

. .to speak is to be heard by men, to pray is to heard by God. Do you agree?

speaking in tongues and praying in the spirit/in tongues are two seperate things. people can forge speaking in tongues like they tend to manipulate any other gift.

when a person gets born again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit like every new born child they cry out. that praying in tongue that is not a result of human mind but of the Spirit is a praise to God. it comes upon a person suddenly overwhelming that person with God's love. this is personal

speaking in tongues is for prophecy, edification and needs correct interpretation. this is service, for others.

babbling is vain repitition of words thought by men. isaiah 29:13 instead of inspired by the Spirit john 4:24

You are very correct . Many people don’t know the difference . It’s a misunderstanding of scripture. Speaking in tongues is different from praying in tongues . Talking to God in prayer is different from talking to the hearing of men in prophecy or cooperate prayer.

Ubenedictus:
lol, you ask a silly question, the apostles were not biological brothers of Jesus so your question is non seqitur

No vex .

James 1:20
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Back to question : who was James ?

Ubenedictus:
are all apostles now biological brothers of Jesus? which kind question be that?

If you don’t know the answer just leave it

Osinachi00:
How can i cast it out please.

Hope you're born again . If you are all you need to do is call it by name ,rebuke it and command it to depart from you. Use relevant scriptures on yourself . You're dealing with ,Worry ,Anxiety, fear , impatience . They are faith killers . But this particular case is a manifestation of the presence of a spirit which torments you . And has caused losses . From scripture you know it's against Gods plan .

Isaiah 28:16 (KJV)
. . . he that believeth shall not make haste.

Luke 10:41 (KJV)
And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:

Philippians 4:6 (KJV )
Be careful for nothing. . .

Philippians 4:6 (AMPC)
Do not fret or have any anxiety about anything. . .


You spirit of fear and anxiety responsible for the torment of impatience that I am experiencing . I come against you in the name of Jesus . I reject your operation and oppression in my life . I command you now in the name of Jesus to come out . Depart from me . You can also say "any spirit that is not of God in my body come out.. . You may pause for a moment at this time just in case there's a manifestation . Cough, belch, yawn . Devils do go out by air most times . Yawn ,fart ,belching , coughing ,vomiting etc . The person feels lighter most times after they are gone . Some other times they may just leave qietly .

If something comes out of you once fine . But if there's is a continuous experience of slimy things like phelm . Especially day after day You may need to see a minister . You pastor most preferably . Or another Christian who understand authority to help out .


One more thing when you're dealing with issues like this ,walk in love forgive everyone' you have issues with . Say it in the prayer before you even start commanding . "I FORGIVE EVERYONE WHO HAVE OFFENDED ME. you may even call out a name if possible

When you're done . Make declaration . Fear is gone from me . Patience is atwork in me .anxiety is gone from me etc as God inspires you.

Processor01:
Sure, demons can attack Christians and they do almost everyday.
Now, can they reside in Christians - my answer is NO!

Happy to hear your views.

I just remember a case of a lady I ministered to yestaerday . She always moves . If She works in a place, After some months she just leaves . She stays with someone after a time she moves . Always acusing everyone for not treating her right .

I spoke to her some years ago that she had Issues with marine spirits , spiritual husband , pride etc but she wouldn’t hear it . I told her that from my experience she can’t settle for marriage until these are cast out . She was offense claiming her body is the temple of the Holy Ghost . etc . I left the matter . 3 years have passed . Same story . She had left a good pharmaceutical job and now she sells ground nut . She even stop house fellowship and blaming her cell leader . When she finally called me and told be that’ people are saying something is wrong with her . I reminded her what I had told her I saw before . I told her on phone that it was spiritual .

I told her to say this prayer . “YOU SPIRIT OF INSTABILITY I REBUKE YOU . I COMMAND YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS COME OUT!”

She called back and told be she did and she started belching and was asking what’s the meaning of that . I told her demons comes out by yawn , belching , farting, vomit , poo etc . I told her to come over for ministration but she still refused she said she has authority to cast it out . I agreed with her that every Christian has authority but not every Christian is trained to handle every case . We argued again .

I know it’s the demons trying to block her from help . I told her “ you only dealt with one that you identified what about the others you haven’t identified. We cut off communication again until 2 days ago she came over and I minister to her yesterday . Vomiting everywhere . Many many demons came out her after wasted years of pride and argument and many losses . She is so humbled now . Joyous and making confessions of her inheritance without any resistance . She has been making confessions of faith before but there was resistance .

Osinachi00:
Please Nairalander I need help o, is there a way for somebody to start learning how to have patience. it seems I'm the impatient type of person and I don't like it because it's making me loose a lot of things, your advice and help will be appreciated.

Tell me what to do when the impatientness starts coming in.

Any good points of how to learn how to be patient will be appreciated.

And being impatient is making me lazy, depressed and frustrating.

It’s demonic a spirit of anxiety need to be cast out . Not every impatience is demonic though but this case is .

Felix180:
Our fore-fathers who died before the whites introduced christianity to us,how will they be judged?
will they go to heaven or hell?

They can’t be judged by the gospel .They will be judged according to their conscience . The conscience is Gods witness in every man, every culture and every generation . But those who heard the gospel will be judged by what they heard . A sinner will be condemned for rejecting the gospel .

John 3:18
He that believeth in him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already

Those who never heard the gospel will be judged by works according to standard of righteousness in their generation and conscience

Processor01:
Thanks.

So my next question - the demons you cast out of 'Christians', where exactly do they reside? In the spirit, soul or in the body of the 'Christians'?

In the body or soul . It depends on what case is being dealt with . Most emotional torment or problem has to do with the soul . Addictions , Suicide , bitterness , Lust etc

Also, are generational curses spiritual?

Yes Of course

If so, how are they transmitted from one generation to the other?

The devils lay claim on everything illegally . For example one of the Christian women who I ministered to and had not had a child after marriage . The Demon was protesting “leave her alone , she’s my wife . Some came in through the fathers line and some through the mother .

Another case of a pastor who had diabetes which had cause four of his toes amputated . When ministering to him the demon said “ I am the idol of his fathers house . His father didn’t serve me I killed his with leg problem , this one also is supposed to serve me , I’m going to kill him , I’ve made him struggle , he ought to be a billionaire . . .”

I asked the pastor if his father died of leg issue he affirmed it and he was suprised how I knew .

There are people who had moving objects in their Tommy . There’s was a lady who was sick and after prayer she vomited a long pin.

There was a blind lady evangelist when ministered to demon claimed to be in her eyes . There are different demons for different organs of the body . Kidneys , blood , Skin etc .

It’s not every demonic cases that the demon Reside in the body . Some do afflict from outside .

simplex2:
While at school , after the BLW Pastor had charged them (students oo) to sow their school fees; few days to exam, you see them sneaking in on us (the heathen) to beg for money to complete their school fees.

Its scriptural .

Proverbs 13:22
The wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just

Where do you expect people meet them , your house .?

Processor01:
Ok, Sir.

One question though - does the Holy Spirit in these 'believers' coexist with these demons or how does it work?

a christian cannot be possessed by a demon . demonic possession takes place in the spirit of a victim A christian cannot have demon in his spirit because thats Gods created abode. denomination takes place in the body or soul.

Processor01:
You cast out demons from Christians?!
Sigh... I wish you guys all the best and I pray the eyes of believers be open.

I don’t mean a disrespect , but from my experience many Christians who believe a Christian can’t have a demon mostly have demons . The enemy make them believe otherwise so that they can’t get help . When you lay hands on them a the demon manifest or speak through them. They are humbled especiall if there’s a video and they are able to see it they start crying . They are broken . There are certain things by which you detect the presence of a demon . Let me just mention one or two

If a woman experiences miscarriages especially if she experience sexual intercourse in the dream befor the miscarriage . It is. Certain a demon ( spiritual husband ) ! If it’s not cast out she can’t have a baby .

Anger , the anger that comes on a person that make him or her do things he regrets is demonic

A man Labours and every time he’s to receive . Things crashes .

Addiction to a habit .

Persistent struggle

Self pity

Recurrent Periodic experience or sickness . On certain dates or season .

Sexual experience in dreams

Missing items without explanation

Consistent missing monies

Unexplainable expenditure or how money went

Migraine headache (most times )

Strange marks of the body over night

Phobias

Allergies

I can go on and on .....

Some Christians who experience such may deny a demon needs being cast out . But when it’s cast out they are completely free.

paxonel:
Ok, what you refer to as demonic is anything bad including sickness?

Wrong . Somethings may have natural causes or based on human error . But a lot of time evil spirit are reeolponsible too.

paxonel:
That's true, but only from non christians, not from christians

Especially sicknesse and deseases . If a Christian can fall sick, be rest assured he can have a demon

.It’s not even advisable to cast devils out of non Christians . Because it will come back . Are you aware that many dicknesss deceases are demonic ? Do Christians fall sick? Anyone who heals the sick will know that demons manifest in many cases when ministering to a sick christian . Some demon will even talk “I AM SPIRIT OF DEATH “

Every failure in life is demonic too abi?

As I said earlier . Not every case is demonic . But if a Christian experience a prolong circle of problem there’s a demon .

PrecisionFx:
Lol.
Bros dress do back go stay.


Less than 30% of Americans identify as Christians.

Of that under 30%, less than 10% attend Sunday mass.

America even censor the word "God" across their media.


Yet they are the richest n the most powerful force on earth.

Dress abeg

What has that got to do with anything . Curses are personal . Each man with his own problem

PrecisionFx:
Why generational curses never destroy America

There are several deliverance ministers in America . Casting out of demons have been on for about 100 years

paxonel:
Do you still have the believe that christians can be afflicted by demons?

It’s like saying Christians can’t fall sick. Are you aware that many ailment are demonic. When you just cast the spirit of infirmity out healing takes place

paxonel:
That's true, but only from non christians, not from christians

From CHRISTIANS sir. It’s not even advisable to cast devils out of non Christians . Because it will come back . Are you aware that many dicknesss deceases are demonic ? Do Christians fall sick? Anyone who heals the sick will know that demons manifest in many cases when ministering to a sick christian . Some demon will even talk “I AM SPIRIT OF DEATH “

shadeyinka:
Most Christians who argue in the contrary usually has never conducted a deliverance session for anybody.

True statement . Anyone that denied demonic activity in lives of Christians is ignorant of spiritual side of life . There are cases that even speaking in tongues and confessing the word does not deal with . Someone need to cast the devil out !

paxonel:
I don't need to be afraid of demons. All I'm saying is, Christ has done everything ,we don't have any demon battle to fight cos if we do, then we cannot stand it on our own.

Casting out demons is one of our mandates

Mark 16:17
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

paxonel:
Forget it,
It was not demons you casted out from them, scriptures cannot lie.

So what came out and they became whole

They are just being schizophrenic

That’s a demon of dual personality

If you see demon you fit stand?

They know me and fear me.

Make God not let us see bad thing o.

Now I know where the problem is . Brother You don’t need to fear them .

shadeyinka:
Usually when you are living right in Christ BUT things seem to consistently go on the contrary (even after many prayers and when you have done all that you should have done).

Then you can suspect that your enemy the devil is at work (many times, they are familiar spirits whose territory is your lineage).

shadeyinka:
Some Christians are Born relatively free from these curses whether or not they are spiritual or not BUT some too are not that lucky. They could be spiritual yet be under tonnes of negative loads.


Any Christian under such loads should know that the strategy of victory is resisting the devil so that he flees.

If a man receive christ as a new creature . Does ancestra curse have effect on such by default or . It can only have effect when there is an entry point or open door .
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paxonel:
Now look at this scripture

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God.....

Meaning, every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God which categorically mean that christians can never be inflicted by demons spirit, rather their spirit is of God.

What i mean is, no christian among the early disciples saw their fellow christians as inflicted by demons talkless of conducting deliverance. We see all these things this modern day in today churches and it's contradictory.

It’s not true that a Christian cannot be demonized .I have cast out devils from many Christians . Even pastors . How did the demons enter them ? . It’s not even advisable casting out demons from non christian . Except he is ready to accept christ . Because he can’t sustain it

SweetJoystick:
Them don threaten this one. No guts, no glory

Una still no Dey shame ? Marine has been disgraced

Freeze007:
What if it is about the New Earth I am talking to you about. That God is the maker and He can also unmake the Bible talked about the Porter doing whatever he so deems necessary to the port. Should we ask Him questions even decoding the scriptures are you sure we understand the score of events as they will take place according to the Bible? The priest of old, had the calendar as you claim here,still,did not know what was involved in the calendar. our Lord Jesus Christ is there as proof.

God works the ways He chooses and because of His love the latest operation would be given to the spiritually alert to follow him or be left to thinking the messenger who would be giving the message to God's people about His newest is a Joker.

Recall how they treated the disciples of our Lord Christ. I am emphatically telling you God is now here on Earth as the Master of the Universe and Father of all creations but humbled his might to flesh. only the spiritually alert will see Him. For you to know Him, go back to my post

Of course God is on earth Even in human body . ME

connectikut89:
Oga you are a fraud!!

You are the son of a thief

shadeyinka:
Some Christians are Born relatively free from these curses whether or not they are spiritual or not BUT some too are not that lucky. They could be spiritual yet be under tonnes of negative loads.

Any Christian under such loads should know that the strategy of victory is resisting the devil so that he flees.

How will a Christian know he has issue .

shadeyinka:
Generational Curses are negative effects of the actions/inactions of the Parent line on their children/down line.



Hello
I understand your post even though it is too long. However, I think you probably have a narrow view of generational curses.....,..,,...
. . . .

I agree with most of your beautiful posts . Some were eye enlightening to me . Except the last part

Did Jesus remove ALL Generational Curses?
No!

Well from my understanding . Jesus removed all legally . But individual have a responsibility to make it a vital reality in their lives