harakiri:

@mazaje, abeg leave the dumb a$$ jare. Na so him go dey run him jagaga dustbin mouth like say him don see dis god before. Like I said earlier, instead of reetards like GRAY BEARD to provide concrete facts, they resort to shaming tactics.threats and unwarranted sentiments. All they know is what they have been taught from kindergarten. He says the atheists are "childish" and I wonder were to place him. Look at someone who at his age believes something he has not seen,heard or touched before. He reminds me of kids who are too scared of the dark that they can't get up to put on the light. If atheists are childish, then you are an overgrown toddler living in your second childhood!

LOL@ the above

So you believe that anything that cannot be observed through our senses or current level of technology does not exist and cannot exist??

Anyways, as for Christianity, the bible does say that God will show his face someday. For example, of Christ's return the scripture says: "every eye will see him" (Rev 1:7). The bible also tells us who's going to be doing the "judging" on judgement day - Rom 2:16, Acts 17:13, 2 Tim 4:1

No need to worry, you will get to see him at some point. But it will no longer be possible to make a U-turn at that point as faith, God's #1 one requirement, will no longer be needed (or possible sef ).

Lastly, save your breath. Quit calling for God to roll back the clouds and show his face now (or else, what? you won't believe?? ). He will show up in his time. And no need to worry about missing it. No one will. At some point, everyone will get a glimpse - whether at his return or at the judgement.

Cheers!

Enigma:

God did not send anybody to preach the gospel advertise on MITV or OGTV or any other TV. End of story.

It is much better that a "church" (a) teaches its own members godliness (rather than all this rubbish "prosperity" and, (b) teach its members each to influence other people they come across with their own Godly behaviour and carriage; in other words each member is to preach the gospel, particularly by actions (including charity) and by words if necessary.

See dis bros.  .  .  You mean say after dem build these churches mega empires, make dem come dey preach old school tales by moonlight like this so??  

holiness ko,      


Seriously - I had a friend tell me to my face once that people are "bored" of hearing about righteousness, holiness, salvation etc.

chukwudi44:

There is nothing wrong in praying @pilgrimage sites period.

So you say 

I remain a proud catholic

Little wonder

I'm not surprised at the unchristian traditions, rites and rituals of the "mother" church. . . seeing these images however, is sickening

Joagbaje:

Now 1 John 4:17 says “…as He is, so are we in this world.”

That means the life, the glory and the name He now has belongs to us. This is the reason the Apostle Paul admonished us in Colossians 3:17 to do all things in the Name of Jesus. So today, we live in the Name of Jesus. When we pray to God, we do in the Name of Jesus. And when you live your life in the Name of Jesus; [size=14pt]no sickness or disease can take a hold of your body;[/size] and no demon can destroy your life. [size=14pt]This is the victory of Christianity![/size]

Sigh

Abeg, I think the Mods should change the title of this thread as its misleading. I just saw a newsflash on AIT now that said the commissioners"bowed out" because their tenure expired. They were not sacked by Jega.

Ovamboland:

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome says:

You Are God’s Word!   -   March 23rd, 2010

Nuffin new. Same old lie --

5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Joagbaje:

Of course Paul had deeper knowledge of truth. And some of the deep things he taught were hard for certain people to understand. I agree it's not based on academic study but it was surely based on spiritual revelation

And your assumption is based on what? The fact that we have more of his writings in the NT?

Joagbaje:

So did Peter go to school? rather be a contributor than a critic .

@JoeAgbaje,

You know as well as I do that Peter did not go to school and that was not what I was referring to.

That post (a quote from Pst. Adeboye's devotional, I believe) said that Peter admitted to not having understood some of the things Paul said in his letters! In other words, there where "revelations" Paul had and shared in his letters, which Peter didn't already know and couldn't understand from Paul's writings! What da crap!?!

Just how far will you guys go??

Joagbaje:

rather be a contributor than a critic .

You can say whatever you want dear sir. I'd rather stick with clear instructions from scripture to be on my guard against men who twist the truth for their own selfish desires. I'd rather stick with the Bereans' example. I see you have a problem with that.

But that's ok. It matters not. 

xheggs:

[size=14pt]Peter[/size] never went to school. [size=16pt]He even confessed that it was difficult for him to understand Paul’s writings.[/size] Yet, if his shirt mistakenly touched the sick, there would be instant healing. Not many educated people would be comfortable with that.

Great excerpt from Pastor Adeboye's Open Heavens Devotional.
http://www.theopenheavens.com/devotional/saturday-2-july-2011-whats-your-choice/

Ah!!! 

Must these MoGs twist any and everything?? 

Enigma:

petres_007

Life experience "PhDs" are usually obtained from useless "institutions" (some only have mail box addresses, no proper office, no campus etc) that are known as "degree mills" or "diploma mills". The theory is that although Mr X may not even have a degree but as he has been working as a mechanic for 10 years, if he pays e.g. £500 he can be awarded a "PhD" in Mechanical Engineering.

Thus, it is possible that a person who has been a pastor for a few years could pay a diploma mill e.g. £500 and the diploma mill will award him a "PhD" in "Pneumatology" (i.e. perhaps study of the "Holy Spirit".

The long and short of it --- even you can set up a diploma mill in your very house and be selling degrees to dummies and fraudsters through the Internet.

Here is an extract from Wikipedia on diploma mills: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mill

I just wanted to be sure. So this rules out the option of having a valid degree from a "degree mill". Where then did Oyaks get his PhD from?? I'm very sure someone like him would never have the time to take on a proper academic programme, part time or full time.

Enigma:

The language filter has unintentionally produced one of the funniest thread titles on the forum 

Christian Bottom. of Nigeria indeed!  (Christian A.s.s of Nigeria)

EDIT @OP I don't really want you to change the title as it is so funny and demonstrates the sometimes ridiculous effects of the filter. However, maybe next time you could try "the Christian Asso of Nigeria".

This is hilarious!! I thought the poster was just trying to show his disdain for CAN o!

Enigma:

Thanks to Enigma too

My bad

Thanks Enigma!

Enigma:

@petres_007

I think the date you are looking for is Sunday 26 June 2011 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-393253.320.html#msg8592382

Ah, thanks Nuke!

nuclearboy:

^^

You people want to kill Joagbaje. This is quite unfair to say the least. How dare you show a "god" contradicting himself.

Worse, you're now proving non-tithers are as blessed as tithers?? How do you want Pastors Jo and Oyaks to eat and drive big cars?

Better repent fast

That is enh, the contradiction is just sickening. At least one would expect them to be consistent in their altogether unbiblical theology


Abeg, no one has responded to my question yet. What is the date for this rhapsody of realities article? Help, anyone??

Abeg; JoAgbaje, anyone. . .

What is the date for the rhapsody article you posted?

Thanks.

Enigma,

I didn't have the time to go through those links o the google search page for life experience PhDs. But I did take a peep at some of the pages and noticed none of them were from recognized academic institutions.

That sent a red flag up in my head but I just want to know if this "life experience PhD" thingy is for real.

Enigma:

Look Petres e be like say me and you too dey forgetful. I have just remembered:

He was blessed with a "PhD" as a result of "salvation". The PhD is part of the "total package of blessings" that is the inheritance of every "christian" and remember he was bless[b]ed[/b] (past tense) with this PhD ever before he even needed to register for secondary school let alone university!

In fact, every member of Chris Embassy really should be going around parading "PhD" after their names since they are already blessed (past tense) with it as part of their "total package of blessings"; it is their "inheritance"; it is their "birthright"! Meanwhile, remember also that they do not need to obey God (e.g. work hard) to enjoy all these past tense blessings because "nowhere in the New Testament are they told to obey God!"

LOL@ the above

Enigma:

For reference, see https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-704762.0.html

I only read half way through the sermon and some comments here before ROFLMHO!

Kai, I've been missing o!

What a bunch of confusionists

Enigma:

^^^ Don't mind me! I forgot that you can obtain a "PhD" by naming and claiming, blabbing and grabbing it! In fact all you need to do is to[b] call things that are not as though they were! [/b]

My point exactly!

So you see you're going against scripture eRRoR!

Repent now o. . . and don't touch annoy my his anointing annoyance any more

PhD ko, common entrance ni

And err. . . come to think of it sef, why does an MoG need to have a PhD to his name, to extent of going out of his way to err. . . well, I know he didn't earn this one sha. Not sure if he bought or borrowed it

Enigma:

Please tell us: (a) where he got his "PhD" from, (b) when, and (c) in what field?

Afterall if the "PhD" is fake, it cannot be right to recommend that the material of such a person should be "integrated into the education system".

First, prove to us that his "PhD" is not fake (or bought); then establish his credential by confirming the institution he got the PhD from and his subject (even preferably his thesis title)! Also, though this may be too far for you, it would be helpful if you could identify the academic who supervised Oyakhilome's "PhD" thesis!

Enigma,

You're going too far naa. . . you want them to prove a PhD he got by faith??

mazee:

petres_007. Without mincing words, please explain and enlighten us how God lent a hand in hardening Pharaoh's heart.

With examples or an illustration for clarity, tell or show us, how God did or could have done it. Harden Pharaoh's heart.

I was referring to these:

Ex 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

Ex 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

As for HOW GOD could have hardened pharaoh's heart, I'm not sure I understand what you're after.

Joagbaje:

I agree the context was different .It's not the context that is my emphasis but  the principles behind it. You should rather focus on the point I'm making.  Dont leave the major thing and dwell on the minor. Besides what has strive got to do with longevity? Patapata I will remove the verse and put a more simpler one for you to communicate my point.  Which is: when men strive with the holighost , he withdraws.

Genesis 6:3
3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not struggle with humans forever, ."

Well, at least you agree the context for this verse was different. But I beg to disagree that a verse's context is not the major thing because it is. That's what tells you what the verse means as a bunch of the same words (in the same order) can mean different things entirely, depending on the context.

I also disagree with your principle of God withdrawing after "struggling" with humans for some time. This is not so, sir. IMHO, God never struggles with humans. A case in point (plus all the background gist God had given Moses) would be Pharaoh's refusal to let the Hebrews go willingly. God wasn't striving with Pharaoh. He knew beforehand that Pharaoh would prove stubborn and even lent a hand in hardening his heart, all to one end.  .  . 

Maybe you should provide more examples of this just so we're clear.

My eyes are beginning to get sticky now o [yawns] 

noetic16:

you are not the first person to laugh in tongues . . . .we have been laffing in tongues at pastor Jo's gospel for a very long time.
Nice to see your debunking of Jo's false teachings,  ,  the question is what motivates Jo to twist the scriptures?

@Noetic,

My take is that he tries too hard to make everything line up with Oyaksian theology, instead of studying the scriptures and arriving at conclusions objectively.

If he could only put aside his allegiance to Oyaks and whatever personal interests he may have.  .  .

Joagbaje:

Genesis 6:3
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man. . .

Standard CEC response and WolF technique - yank a scripture that seems right out of context.

Here are the surrounding verses and proper context in the NLT:

1 Then the people began to multiply on the earth, and daughters were born to them.
2 The sons of God saw the beautiful women and took any they wanted as their wives.
3 Then the LORD said, "my spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will e no more than 120 years".

Genesis 6:1-3 (NLT)

That phrase as used in that verse (3), when read in proper context, had to do with man's longevity. It does not suit the purpose for which you cited it in anyway. Context, sir, context. I take that your argument as such, falls apart and requires no further response.

Joagbaje:

It was Eli who gad to teach him how to listen to God If not ,the voice would have left and probably not come again

I laugh in somersaulting tongues of angels! 

What makes you think God would have become so frustrated as to give up telling Samuel of his plans?

Didn't even see the rest of your post.

Joagbaje:

That's your area of ignorance . God speaks all the time . Men don't hear. his voice is wisdom of men.

Na wah o. You guys never stop to think of the implications of your unbiblical assertions. I never heard of a single King all through history, who spoke all the time. Their words were rare. If this could be said of earthly kings, how much more eternity's holy King?

Pastor Joe 

Take a step back and take an objective look at the bible on this issue.

I make bold to say that God speaking audibly to someone, even a prophet, was not the norm/frequent. One wonders where you guys get this idea that God speaks all the time to us but we're not listening, as you CANNOT come to that conclusion when you objectively study the bible. Or haven't you noticed in the bible that God's modus operandi (in this regard) was to appoint a spokesman to whom he'd entrust his word, and then everybody else listened to him?

Christ stands heads and shoulders above all else in this group of individuals; flanked on one hand by the prophets who were merely types of him and the apostles, whose ministry was an extension of his. And here's what the scripture says of him(note the tense):

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,

2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

Take note: HE HAS SPOKEN. We get into trouble when we go looking for what's not lost.

Joagbaje:

And who told you that samuel wasn't trained? That experience was his first training. God spoke to him through the voice of Eli. He didn't know how to hear God for himself. He heard Eli voice calling him. That's why he ran to Eli. He didn't say "someone is calling me" he said rather "you called me" because that's the voice he heard . It was Eli who gad to teach him how to listen to God If not ,the voice would have left and probably not come again

OMG!!! You didn't just say this, did you? 

That experience was Samuel's "first training"? Gosh!! There's so much in this quote from your last post I'm not sure where to begin.

Joagbaje:

And who told you that samuel wasn't trained? That experience was his first training.

Please explain to us HOW this experience was little Samuel's first training in the art of hearing God speak.

At night, probably while trying to sleep, little Samuel hears his name (as must've happened often), thinks its Eli calling and runs to him. Or did I miss something?

Just a minute, note that the kid didn't just not know it wasn't Eli calling but heard his name clearly enough to assume it was Eli.

Joagbaje:

God spoke to him through the voice of Eli.

How so? Please explain in simple terms, how God spoke to Samuel through Eli's voice.

Joagbaje:

He didn't know how to hear God for himself.

You don't say. 

You miss the point again - God called. He heard. If you will at least concede to this, maybe we could move forward.

Joagbaje:

He heard Eli voice calling him.

The bible nowhere states this sir. Isn't it rather obvious, that the boy thought it was Eli calling, as usual?

Joagbaje:

That's why he ran to Eli. He didn't say "someone is calling me" he said rather "you called me" because that's the voice he heard.

In addition to my responses above; don't you think the setting that night was such that Eli was the only one close enough to have called him hence, Samuel's confidence it must've been him calling?

Verse 3 gives us a hint as to where they were:

3 and before the lamp of God went out in the tabernacle of the LORD where the ark of God was, and while Samuel was lying down,

I'd be surprised if there were any others besides both of them that night.

Joagbaje:

It was Eli who gad to teach him how to listen to God If not ,the voice would have left and probably not come again

haba, haba 

Eli did not "teach" Samuel to hear God.

Abi how many training sessions, videos, tapes, CDs, lectures, hours or days of hot speaking in tongues, did it take before Samuel became a certified "God hearer"??

After the incident - Samuel coming to him thinking he'd called for him three times (shouldn't that be a bit instructive, thou bible student  ) and being a priest (meaning that at least he understood the things of God better than the average jew?  ) he perceived that it must be the Lord calling the lad.  .  . since it wasn't him.

This also tells you that its most likely there weren't (m)any folks around who could have been calling, besides Eli.

Just so my point is clear -

When the God of the bible speaks to a person, even if he were deaf or has a boulder blocking his ears, he'll surely hear.

Joagbaje:

The question shouldn't be about God talking to someone . God talks to us . But many don't hear him. To hear God requires training. We learn to hear God. It can be learned. [/b]The first step is for a man to receive the holyghost . The question should rather be  now  "how can we hear God"

I admit I have to agree with Pastor Joe on this one. But you guys should try to include scriptural examples naa

Methinks Acts 9 contains a perfect example: that of Paul Saul of Tarsus. If he hadn't learned "how to hear God" (probably from materials like erRoR), he would not have heard what Jesus was saying to him in the account described here:

1 Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest

2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and [b]suddenly a light shone around him from heaven.

4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"

5 And he said, "Who are You, Lord?" Then the Lord said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads."

6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, "Lord, what do You want me to do?" Then the Lord said to him, "Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."

Like I always say, you people keep giving yourselves away. 

This time, you just told us how weak and dependent your God is on human abilities (or otherwise). Why do you keep on spewing out the rubbish handed to you by your MOGs without checking with scriptures first? What manner of delusion is this

What training or learning did Paul have to undergo to be able to hear the Lord in the account above?

Even the folks around him "heard a voice":

7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one.

What training did they all undergo? When and how did they learn to hear God?

Where are the scriptures that say we have to learn to hear God first? Where are the verses that explicitly teach us how to hear from God? Any biblical examples?

Another account comes to mind. Little Samuel who upon hearing God's voice the first time thought it was the high priest Eli calling:

3 and before the lamp of God went out in the tabernacle of the LORD where the ark of God was, and while Samuel was lying down,

4 that the LORD called Samuel. And he answered, "Here I am!"

5 So he ran to Eli and said, "Here I am, for you called me." And he said, "I did not call; lie down again." And he went and lay down.

Abeg, where and when did little Samuel learn such an elusive skill?


Must you guys twist and repackage everything in scripture for sales? 

nuclearboy:

^ you give the impression you know this randy cat - its sad either way. All that needs be done is that we all as men, acknowledge that we are naught but men and thus, remain susceptible to our flesh.

They'd rather die than give up their "confession". 

Sweetnecta:

^^^^^^^^^^ shallow thinking. it is a mere commentary, maybe or maybe not type, since jesus of the bible did not give his reason for killing the tree except in rage of the pang of the pain of hunger. only humans get hungry, you know.

Look who's talking about shallow thinking 

And about Jesus' divinity - don't you guys ever take a break? Would a mere/man/human/prophet point to himself as Jesus did or make such "Jesus-was-a-mere prophet-shattering" statements such as the one below?

Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
(KJV)

I think not.

And it gets even more interesting:

Another noted Evangelical scholar Craig S. Keener makes the following observation:

    "At Passover season in late March or early April, fig trees are often in leaf on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives. At this time of year, such fig trees contained only green early figs (Arabs call them taqsh), which ripen around June but often drop off before that time, leaving only green leaves on the tree. A leafy tree lacking such early figs, however, would bear no figs at all that year," (Keener, A Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew [Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, July 1999], p. 504)

Thus, what was thought to be an example against the veracity of the NT ends up actually becoming a rather persuasive argument for its historical reliability! This exemplifies the minute accuracy of the Synoptic Gospels, both in time and place, i.e. this took place during the month of Passover, figs located on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives etc. It also provides evidence for an early dating of Matthew and Mark - or, at the very least, shows that they were dependent on very old and early material - well before the fall of Jerusalem. After all, the knowledge of these details would most likely have been lost or unknown to authors writing after the destruction of Jerusalem.

[b]Moreover, the cursing of the fig tree is a played or acted out parable, one which warned the nation of Israel of impending judgment. [/b]In the words of Messianic scholar David Stern:

    "… If Yeshua’s cursing and drying up the fig tree had been a petulant reaction to disappointment because he couldn't satisfy his hunger, it would be unworthy of anyone, let alone the Messiah. But Yeshua is making a point by means of prophetic drama, acted-out parable (possibly Lk 13:6-9). Tanakh examples include Yirmiyahu, who bought and broke a clay bottle (Jeremiah 19), and Yechezk'el, who made and then burned up a model of Jerusalem (Ezekiel 4-5); for a later New Testament instance see Ac 21:10-11.

    Even out of season a fig tree in leaf - it must have been in leaf to be seen in the distance (v. 12) - holds forth the promise of fruit. The normal early season for figs in Israel is June, but the early unripe fruit (Song of Songs 2:13) begins to show itself even before the spring leaves appear on the branches, often before Passover.

    We know that Yeshua expects God's people to put forth the fruit of righteousness, and that unproductive branches are thrown in the fire (Mt 7:16-20; 12:33; 13:4-9, 18-23; Yn 15:1-. Thus, the drying-up of the fig tree is an acted-out warning. In keeping with Proverbs 27:18 (‘He who tends a fig tree will eat his fruit, and he who serves his master will be honored’) Yeshua here is teaching his followers what it means to serve their master, God: it means simply to have the kind of trust that comes from God (v. 22), and that they will wither away if they don’t. Yeshua neither acts from pique nor perform arbitrary miracles like a magician; every one of his supernatural acts has spiritual significance." (Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary [Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc., Clarksville Maryland, Fifth edition 1996], pp. 95-96; bold emphasis ours)

Source: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/q_jesus_figtree_curse.htm