Hello,

I need to reach the AbujaNIV section to appeal for an expedited F1 interview.

Can any one share the correct email address for them? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Thanks.

Hello,

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@OP..

If interested, please email me through my profile for details.

Thanks!

Na wetin?

SO long as no be petrol dey inside... Dem fit cellotape the pot for all I care

WinsomeX:


Thank you sir.

Please permit me to put you on the spot. Can you relay on this thread your experiences at the CE. How you got in, how you got out and what the turning points were for you. I plan to put up on page 0 as one of the index topics. Please.

CC: Gombs, kenny4life, joagbaje, vooks, sammied

This one na NECO ENglish essay of 20marks o.

Will try to do so ASAP.

IMHO, if people within CEC can somehow understand that in Christ, ALL of us are brothers and sisters and those of us in positions of leadership are (ideally) servants and not superiors, light can then begin to flood their eyes. If a Christ Embassy Member can just understand that in reality, Pastor Chris is merely human and just as fallible and sinful as the next man, a lot could and will change. For me, that's where it all begins.

CEC members may not realise it, but they're neck deep in all kinds of idolatry, and the able warden to make sure no one gets out, is the deification of Pastor Chris. If that's taken out of the way even for a moment, I think enough light will come through to make the person aware of his true state.

I know entire families who left CEC years after I did and are greatly disillusioned now, trying to pick up the pieces. Some of them are young people who practically wasted some of the best years of their lives. Parents who "sowed" tonnes of resources they could have used in bettering their childrens' lives.

The harvest never materialized. The years, one after the other, never lived up to the fancy prophetic tags declared every cross over service by the MoG himself. The year of laughter. The year of this and that. The levels of regret and disillusionment is staggering.

I can only hope Gombs and the rest of the #SaiPastorChris crew take a break off defending him and think.

WinsomeX:
WHY CHRIST EMBASSY IS A CULT

From my perspective, an organization can be said to be a cult from what it teaches and it's lifestyle. We have seen that the essential teaching of CEC is WoF. While WoF is clearly false doctrine, I hesitate to describe all churches teaching Word Faith as cults because they emphasize certain truths that still keeps them "safe". Example, many of these churches believe in Christ's deity. They encourage a heart submission to Christ's Lordship and encourage holy living. These minimums still keeps them from going overboard. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of Christ Embassy.

The following are a quick shot at why CEC is today a cult.

1. Chris Oyakhilome is their god.

While discussing cult organizations, Walter Martins made it clear that cult organization usually refer to a man or woman as their sole authority, not the bible. For Jehovah Witnesses it was Charles Taze Russell . For Christian Science it is Mary Eddy Baker. For Mormons it is Joseph Smith . And for Christ Embassy, it is Chris Oyakhilome. We only need to see how these other cult organization equate the literatures of their founders to the bible, and in many cases, subordinating scriptures to the words of their founders, to agree with me. That's the tragedy of literatures like Rhapsody of Realities, etc, in the CEC.

Chris Oyakhilome is effectively the prophet and god of the Christ Embassy cult. His members consider him infallible and the anointed one, their Christ. I am told by an old member of nl that Joagbaje, a leading CE member on nl, used to refer to Chris Oyakhilome as "Pastor Christ", instead of Pastor Chris, as he fondly called by his followers. This example, and many others like it, point to the cultism that CEC church has become.

2. Sin in the Congregation.

A leading Christ Embassy follower on this forum, mbaemeka, once commented that a brother once left CEC bc he was tired of the immorality going on in their midst. He says that the brother eventually "fell" into a worse sin where he went to. The point he was trying to make was that sin is of men's heart and not environment. The point he passed across unknowingly was that sexual immorality was the order of the day in the cult of Chris Oyakhilome.

There is no greater proof of this than the widely reported divorce case BTW Chris and his wife, Anita. Anita had stated in her appeal for divorce in a British court that her husband was known to have "inappropriate relations" with ladies in church. Those in the know refer this to the endless line of lady pastor that live in the "White House", Oyakhilome residence, in Lagos. Chris has live apart from his wife since 1999 when she left to start the UK Branch of their church. Pastor Chris might require us to believe he has been celibate since then.

A study of Walter Martins work on cults reveals that the leader is usually a sex maniac. Who has unreserved access to ladies in church. They normally have failed marriages.

Sexual immorality is the order of the day among CEC members. They revel in it. My investigations reveal that married people are even known to date other people's wives and husbands in church.

3. Fake Miracles:

Like the Christian Science cult, the CEC is also known for its fake miracles. Thanks to the painstaking work of our own SirJohn here on nairaland, Chris Oyakhilome is now known as a fake miracle worker, with his healing school, a place where the sick and the gullible are reaped off of their resources without getting healed. The story of Kenya28 help seal the fake miracles story of CEC and the more recently discovered case of a man whom Joagbaje claimed to heal of HIV but who was never healed.

Very good work Sir. I wholeheartedly agree with the submission above and conclusion. CEC could pass for anything but a church with the biblical mission of saving lost souls by sharing the gospel. I remember the man-worship (which Pastor Chris and the other pastors overtly encouraged and even demanded) was one of the most glaring signs of trouble.

With God's help, I left and so did others; some before me, others after, even up till recently. God has been and still is opening people's eyes gradually. Not as fast or as sweeping as some of us would want, but we're glad he's saving some all the same.

WinsomeX:


You can follow the summary as presented on Page 0, first post for easy navigation to salient posts on the thread.

Great idea. Will do.

WinsomeX:


Hi Peter007

Did you see the thread on Christ Embassy being a cult?

I did Sir. Still reading my way through. Was already over five pages by the time I showed up.

BTW, didn't realise oldies such as davidylan were still around here.

davidylan:


Sometimes... its just ok to say i dont know.

And act human for once. . . Its nauseating seeing Gombs and others switch to defensive mode even when it isn't necessary.

I don't know = I don't know.

End of thread.

P.S. Its most likely a honorary doctorate but his TV/media people are mistaking it for an earned PhD. Methinks its not such a serious issue (unless Pastor Chris himself actually is claiming to have PHD he doesn't, which I think would be far too low, even for him). There are far more pertinent non-personal matters I think we should dwell more on, such as his theology and the fruit its bearing.

This thread has to be the biggest indictment of all time on Pastor Chris, by his supposed followers!

I honestly thought there was some kind of twist somewhere but it appears to be for real. Gombs and the OP actually believe this to be presenting their demi-god in a positive light. Sorry to say, but it goes to show how far gone they are, living off the Kool Aid Pastor Chris and others like him dish out. Unless of course, there's some serous sarcasm playing out here I'm missing for which I apologize, if that's the case.

FYI - Brandishing worldly feats as a supposed Christian minister's achievements is like exposing his unclothedness in public! And that by supposed loyalists! What is the world turning into?

You speak of how many billionaires he has in church, but where are the sinners who have been literally saved from their sins and are now by the power of the Spirit, doing what was/is impossible to humans, left to themselves - living HOLY, God-glorifying lives? How many of those you got? You must be beyond deluded to have read the bible and still come away thinking God suffered his Son to be humiliated and sacrificed just so you can boast of billionaires in your church coven!

Supposed Christians openly flaunting their worldliness and being applauded for it

Gombs:
^^
You are sorely dishonest. It's appalling you could be this dishonest and yet want to be a standard for others.

I'd be back.

And where is this "dishonesty" you speak of?

trustman:

Think straight man! Think straight!!

I think its already evident he and his ilk aren't capable of that.

timmy2409:
The stark contrast between the demeanors of the claimants on the initial thread and on this one is so funny. Daddy pastor puts up a confusing post leaving out specific details to absolve himself of any responsibility, while his Smeagol-like pawn is resigned to posting silly pictures. As if that'll make people forget the issue at hand

Really, there's one single detail that puts the nail in the coffin for any theories that this was not a planned 'miracle' on the part of Joagbaje

SirJohn:

Jeff claimed he got HIV because he didn't pay his firstfruits; he gave a lengthy tale about how his pastor warned him about not giving his firstfruits.

Good business strategy to get those church people tithing Jo

Classic! Still hilarious anyway!

Joagbaje:

Firstly I humbly apologise for any misrepresentation

I never thought I'd see the day! JoAgbaje apologizes!

Tgirl4real:

God bless you!

This will make for an interesting read.

I sure hope so too.

Although I really can't wait for insight into what he means.

frosbel: Religious nut-jobs have managed to turn a simple message of love from God to a complex pile of trash called theological positions and perceptions.
Examples :
Trinity
Tithology
Holiness movement.
calvinism
arminianism
evangecalsim
Pentecostalsim
Dispensationalism
Kings James only believeism
Brethren , throw all this theological trash into the garbage can where they belong and FOLLOW JESUS's message of LOVE for your fellow MAN and God and you will be just fine.
Run away from religious nutjobs , hypocrites and control freaks, they don't know more than you despite their endless chain of titles and degrees, its also worthless trash. In fact Jesus said a small child has more sense than all of them put together,
That's why the religious leaders ( imams and pastors ) with their Phds, Msc etc have managed to turn this world into a helluva place.
The message of God is simple :
1. Love your neighbour as yourself
2. Love God.
Simple as abc.

Sir frosbel,

I'd be glad if you can help me out here with these two questions I have upon reading through your OP. I know someone in person who sounds precisely like you and if I didn't know better would've thought it was you. So there seems to be quite a handful of concerned people out there just like you. I've found it difficult to understand this person I'm speaking of and hope you can help me better understand this position.

1. Biblically, what does it mean to "love" God?

2. Biblically, what does it mean to love one's neighbour?

P.S. For the record, I believe both through and through. Its just what it means to "love" in the context of both questions above that I often have issues with people who insist on this position.

Lastly, I do have a high view of you and your opinions on this forum as do many others, but would appreciate if we stuck to the bible only in examining this.

Thanks!

trustman: On Image123 Rebutting M3

Image123 said:
One main purpose of tithing is as a show of appreciation and acknowledgement to God. It was also multipurposed for the Levites to be taken care of, as they were not working except in the temple(abi na tabernacle). Such a purpose would have being lost in Numbers 31 as nobody was working yet, they were all receiving manna. There was yet to need to give the tenth to the Levites. The tithe was their salary, a compensation for their not being allowed to work full time outside like other tribes. It was given to take care of them and to help them serve without distraction. Some times if the people were not faithful in their giving, the levites became discouraged and withdrew to go do some work.
Num 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

First, I’m sure it’s clear to tithers that the Levitical priesthood has been done away with. Therefore there is no need today to give to a set of Levites a 10% that constitutes “their salary, a compensation for their not being allowed to work full time outside like other tribes. … … to take care of them and to help them serve without distraction”. Those in certain positions of Christian ministry (every Christian is in full time service today) may be given money for their upkeep, etc but the GIVERS must not be made to give a compulsory 10% of their income or whatever. If the purpose of giving is to show appreciation to God then, like the widow’s mite, ANY AMOUNT coming from a person’s free heartedness will be acceptable to God.


He also said: Tithing is a personal decision, and Abraham took that decision. –
This is correct. Consequently, in Christ, a Christian can decide ON HIS OWN to give a fixed amount regularly: But it must be a personal decision. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, NOT RELUCTANTLY or UNDER COMPULSION, for God loves a cheerful giver” 2 Corinthians 9:7. No Christian is to be coerced into giving ANYTHING – whether a fixed percentage regularly or a one-off giving. It must be a personal decision of the individual otherwise it is no longer given by grace and will amount to nothing before God. We are saved by grace and we are to live out our lives by grace. See also Peter’s remark to Ananias in Acts 5:3-4.


The Passover was God’s instruction to Israel but when it was clear that the new covenant set it aside was there still any need to insist on it? On the other hand where there is no direct or clear evidence that God made a thing compulsory under the New Covenant there is no reason for any church today to make it mandatory for the Christian no matter how plausible the rationale presented for it is. Is there a direct or clear evidence that God made tithing compulsory under the New Covenant? I would want Image123 & co to show this.

Zikkyy: Image123 actually made some good points in his response to M3. example is the post below....



This is what we been saying. Tithe was a specific instruction to the Israelites!!!! so why is the pastor teaching tithe as an instruction applicable to Christians



Thank you image123, this what we have been saying. giving 10% should be as the spirit leads; it is not teachable. you can chose to give 10% based on OT examples, no wahala

Zikkyy: In his response to M3, image123 agreed that the Israelite did not tithe war booty. I will say they did not because God did not command tithe of war booty. Image123 response is actually in support of our position that not all increase are tithe-able (War booty is an increase), Therefore the view that Israelite tithed all increase cannot hold (joagbaje, please note ) God defined his tithe to be a tenth (not 10%) of agric produce, our pastors define tithe as 10% of all increase (also defined as 10% of 'watever') including income from prostitution, robbery, money ritual e.t.c. so you will understand why armed robbers are tithing.

Choi! I must've missed a lot. I can't believe its Image123 who said these things in your quotes! Please provide links to posts you're quoting from if its not too much.

EMILO2STAY: they are slowly getting exposed, even to the extent of shotting themselves on the foot.

@Emilo2stay,

For peeps like Image123, I wouldn't term his apparent shift in position an exposure. I'd say he's given the matter a lot of thought and is coming around gradually.

Image123:
Examples can be followed and as the Holy Spirit leads us, but they are not necessarily laws for the general populace or for all time.

Although quotes like the above to me, indicate a major, MAJOR change in position as it aptly summarises much of what we've been saying for years.

Goshen360: ^ We will receive it with thanksgiving at the end of the event....

@ Peedeeasobie & petres_007 , I can see you both peeping o. I efen see una face....

Big bros, isn't it supposed to be a sin, the way you just blew my cover.. Just like that?? Chei

*** Slowly stands up, smiles and waves at everyone***

alexleo: I went to see my elder sister and her hubby on tuesday evening. As I was there, a church(Lord's Chosen) on their street was holding a service and the speakers blasting around the area(as usual among Nigerian churches). I was baffled to hear the leading minister telling them to pray against all their enemies, that madness and poverty should befall them and their children's children up to their fourth generation. Come and hear the volume of prayers. What sort of rubbish is going on in churches? Now when they started singing, here are the words of their song- "the God of my pastor's power, answer me". This really got me worried and sad. Is this what Jesus said we should do? Brethren how do we arrest this ugly developments in the end time church? Things are getting out of hand. Meanwhile Jesus is coming soon.

This is only one of many ways in which we've turned the Christian faith on its head - http://www.acts1711daily.com/2013/05/09/dealing-with-enemies-the-christian-perspective/

LOL @ "BlackBerry Kingdom"

The mosaic laws do not apply. Jesus raised the standards higher than the natural man can ever hope to comprehend - www.acts1711daily.com/2013/05/09/dealing-with-enemies-the-christian-perspective/

DrummaBoy:
We continued walking, seeing thousands and thousands of people. There were young people, adults and elderly people suffering in torment. We arrived in a place that looked like a big swimming pool of fire, with thousands of men and women inside of it. Each of them had metal plate on their chest that read: "I am here for not giving tithes and offerings" [/b]When I read that, I asked the Lord, "Lord, how can this be possible, that people are here for this reason??" The Lord responded, "Yes, because these people thought that tithes and offerings were not important, when my Word shows it as a command." In Malachi 3:8-9 it says "Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me. But you say, 'How have we robbed Thee?' In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you."

The Lord told me that when His people withhold their tithes, the works of the Lord stagnates and stops, and the Gospel is not be preached. [b]People in this place suffered a thousand times worse than others, because they knew the Word of the Lord and disobeyed.

Good grief! This is unbelievably hilarious!!

JeSoul: Agent007, good to hear from you dude, though under such sad circumstances. Thanks for concern, too too kind of you, and I appreciate a lot.

To say I'm shocked is the least. I was just telling Negro I just got home from a day of hanging around town. I contemplated going to watch but traffic deterred me. Boylston st., Copley square is at the heart of beantown, cannot tell you how often I hang out there. This is terrible.

Its really sad. My heart goes out to the families of those affected.

Still glad traffic "deterred" you from being there today.

@JeSoul,

Glad you're okay. Soon as I heard about the bombings, I thought about you and came here right away

Bidam: Tithing is a scriptural principle [/color]

Kindly define what you mean here by "principle".

Image123: ^ we don't need to assume. Behold, it was plainly mentioned in the verse and encouraged. Give me one Scripture where the doctrine of don't give tithes is stated both clearly or unclearly.

Maybe we should take it one at a time, good sir.

how is it that you so valiantly fight to defend Christian tithing but would have nothing to do with the other hundreds of OT ordinances? How does tithing remain valid for the Christian but the other laws do not?

DrummaBoy: Thank U Frosbel for that explanation.
I was reading Goshen's thread but it was diverted so much that it was difficult to follow his discuss, especially reading from a Nokia phone. Goshen pls I request you put the whole discuss in one piece and paste it on this thread. Thank you all for helping me.
Image 123, at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses a matter is confirmed. I would take you seriously if you can find another instance in the NT where Jesus alluded to tithing directly or indirectly

I'm not sure he'll find one to oblige you with.

But you do need to pay attention to the context of that passage to better understand Jesus' allusion to tithing there.

Image123:
7. Read Matthew 23:23 until you see light. These things ought to be done.

Holding on to a single verse while ignoring its context and to whom the passage was addressed is one of the hallmarks false teachers. These things ought to be done indeed.