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Religion / Re: Pastor Chris: Maturity Is For Responsibility by petres007(m): 4:54pm On Mar 14, 2011
nuclearboy:

^^^ I told you before that you don't know the people you argue against and where we all are coming from. Do not fool yourself - miracles happen but they come at God's time, in God's way. Many of us too have seen demons flee, seen healing and restoration and had miraculous encounters. But they do not come at our behest and they are the smallest part of Christianity. Do you know why?

The new birth is enough miracle and is the only true miracle because it is the only one that will last. Restored eyesight or limbs are transient because you can lose them again and will in fact lose them when you die. Only the new birth follows you into eternity. Who gets new birth has ALL that is compulsory. If they have further need of a miracle and God wills it, they will get it without stage-managing. Which is mainly what we say about the "prosperity gospel":people are fighting for the temporal rather than the permanent.


If what you have taken away from all our writings here is that we believe miracles do not happen, then your English is worse than terrible. What we believe is that most "miracles" are staged because the proponents want to "help" the faith of others and make themselves look good. This has NO place in true Christianity - would Jesus lie to further His cause?

That is not the Spirit of Christ.

One wonders why this is so difficult to understand
Religion / Re: 'please Stay At Home And Watch Tv: The Stadium Is Already Full' -pastor Chris by petres007(m): 3:37pm On Mar 13, 2011
nuella2:

If you take miracles out of christianity then you are saying Jesus did not rise from the death. The son of man came to destroy the works of the devil. Father thank you for every miracle that took place in NOB, that was your power and glory. Indeed i serve the resurrected christ.

No one has tried to take miracles out of christianity, nuella.
Religion / Re: 'please Stay At Home And Watch Tv: The Stadium Is Already Full' -pastor Chris by petres007(m): 1:42pm On Mar 12, 2011
donnie:

Yes i do bro. He began to hear again and came to testify. It was during his mum's testimony that epilepsy was mentioned. After Pastor cast out the devil, the boy confirmed he was free. 'How do you know?' Pastor asked the boy; 'I know. . . i felt it' came the reply. Soo touching.

You don't say. . . grin grin grin
Religion / Re: 'please Stay At Home And Watch Tv: The Stadium Is Already Full' -pastor Chris by petres007(m): 10:30am On Mar 12, 2011
donnie:

Rev Anita just wallked in amidst applause.

I shake my head embarassed

Joagbaje:

Remember the Epileptic boy that became deaf in one ear. Pastor chris said epilepsy is a demon, and he cast out the devil. The Boy said "I FELT IT"


"I FELT IT". That's supposed to be proof he was 'healed', right? undecided
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Religion / Re: Integrity Prosperity Gospel By Femi Adeleye ( Seed Sowers Please Watch This ) by petres007(m): 4:36pm On Mar 10, 2011
Enigma:

Dem never finish the "binding" so?

Ah, my broda. . . you no understand. . . for thus sayeth d scripshure: this kind goeth not out but by fasting and prayer! grin grin grin
Religion / Re: The $8.5 Million Dollar Scam_exposed - The Apostles knew this would happen - by petres007(m): 9:50pm On Mar 09, 2011
nuclearboy:

I have a poor connection right now. Someone, please tell what is shown in the video

Its a video of Leroy Thompson sitting in his new airplane and begging for seed faith to pay off the debt. I'm sure you've seen it before. Someone already did a thread on this a while back. wink
Religion / Re: The $8.5 Million Dollar Scam_exposed - The Apostles knew this would happen - by petres007(m): 8:06pm On Mar 09, 2011
EarsWide:

There should be a special branch of the police dedicated to arresting these charlatans!!!

Yeah, led by Jack Bauergrin grin grin
Religion / Re: Integrity Prosperity Gospel By Femi Adeleye ( Seed Sowers Please Watch This ) by petres007(m): 6:34pm On Mar 07, 2011
Zikkyy:

You want us to expose our yansh for here angry We (prosperity preachers & lovers) are not interested jare sad when there are more rewarding stuff to be done (like sowing more seeds) angry

grin grin grin grin
Pastor AIO:

Prosperity guys seem to have no audio for this video. Is it demons playing with their internet?

I won't be suprised cheesy
ogajim:

They need to "bind the spirit" of no audio!

I'm sure that's what they're doing now. Just wait and see grin
Religion / Re: Pay-as-you-go Church ! by petres007(m): 6:30pm On Mar 07, 2011
Enigma:

"Touch not mine anointed"!!!!  angry

The man is a "minister"; you should respect his 'anointing'; besides you people should  be careful what you may bring on your head by speaking such of an anointed minister.  angry 

obowunmi:

Enigma take your craw craw brain of this thread.  shocked shocked shocked grin grin grin grin

LWKMD  grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Enigma:

^^^ If only you knew  smiley

obowunmi:

Shatap ---- coming hiA with your touch not annoited bullocks! Go and read your bible.

Enigma:

Again, if only you knew; never mind, ignorance is bliss1  smiley

Enigma:

Ok, I'll help you a bit.

1. Ever heard of "irony"?

2. Read my posting history!




Enigma, sorry sir. I think obowunmi is not a religion section regular. I'm sure he'dv caught your irony right away.  .  .    wink
Religion / Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: The Divinity Of Jesus by petres007(m): 3:43pm On Mar 04, 2011
Joagbaje:

I thank you for revealing yourself to me through me today. Amen.

T'was all going smoothly until this. . . My guess is you mistyped this part, no? undecided
Religion / Re: Night Of Bliss South Africa With Pastor Chris by petres007(m): 3:40pm On Mar 04, 2011
Zikkyy:

Do I have to wait for a special event to get my blessings & miracles

According to cec plc and similar organisations' theology, yes you do.

And its not just a special event - its your meeting with mere flesh and blood tagged MOG and no questions asked obedience to him that makes you stand a chance of receiving the goodies cool
Religion / Re: Here Are A Few Churches In Nigeria That Still Preaches The Real Message Of God by petres007(m): 7:10pm On Mar 03, 2011
nuclearboy:

sad sad

These conversations only clarify how deeply Satan has penetrated into the supposed "Church"! And why not? "Church" in the days Christ & His Apostles walked earth was a gathering of like-minded people (who wished to serve God) WHEREVER they met. Today, the term has become synonymous with special acoustically enhanced architectural wonders with air-conditioning, shopping malls, special effects etc. These play host to "audiences" seeking entertainment as often as excuse can be found for such "entertainment sessions" and are called churches. "Blessed" owners of such entertainment centers are those who can convince the most people to visit and give the most. Such are today known as "Men of God" when in the Bible, those known by that appellation were "the scorned of the earth, men whom the world was unworthy of, crucified, of many sorrows, beaten, burnt, sawed in half, tortured etc". Such included Jesus Himself, Peter, Paul, Stephen, Elijah, Jeremiah, Micah, Abraham too, Daniel, David etc. But the Religion and trust these had in God is not enough for today's man and we need to ask - why are you different? Who are you following? Why is your life uncommonly like that of the Pharisees who were the Religious men of those days and were the "big men" too. They had the crowds, the adulation, the respect. They even had power with the politicians of those days just as many of our "mogs" today have the ear of presidents etc whom they eat and drink with (and collect Ghana must go bags from too). Why are you like these men? Whom are you following?

The motive also has changed. While Jesus scorned this life and went as far as saying this world is not His own, His "supposed" followers today (who claim Him rather than the Pharisees their lives testify of) say His Sacrifice has made them owners of this world. Strange, isn't it, when a follower says he is greater than his master. Jesus owns Heaven but his followers who He instructed not to conform to this world, say they own both earth and heaven. Financial profit has become todays motive for a brand of Christianity the Apostles Peter & Paul never knew.

Pastor AIO's comparison of what Jesus wanted and what a "follower" wants today shows all there is to show about these supposed followers of Christ and the difference between them and Jesus Christ. I don't know which Jesus they follow but it is NOT the one who said to make NO provision for gold or silver and that He was not of this world.

Spot on, Nuke! I personally believe these folks keep giving themselves away all the time.  .  . and its easy for them to continue this way undetected by most people as they've already done their homework well with criminally crafted white lies such as the popular "touch not mine anointed".  .  . "judge discern not"

cry cry cry
Religion / Re: When Did The Apostles Become Born Again? by petres007(m): 9:53am On Feb 26, 2011
aletheia:

Must you be always twisting and distorting the truth?

I've asked that question myself a couple of times here. It would appear that they have some kind of aversion for presenting the truth untouched. undecided
Religion / Re: When Did The Apostles Become Born Again? by petres007(m): 9:50am On Feb 26, 2011
aletheia:

So according to you: there are two types of salvation.

Yes o! In CEC, it's all topsy turvy!  cheesy

aletheia:

Can one not find any truth in Chris' Embassy?

Truth is bitter. It doesn't sell. Heck, do you think there'd be a CEC plc if what they sold was the truth?  shocked

Aletheia, no let me vex o. grin
Religion / Re: Church by petres007(m): 5:41pm On Feb 23, 2011
Excellent write up Pastor AIO. Will be watching this space cool
Religion / Re: Foolishness Of Building Big Churches - Are You Of The Real Church Or The Fake ? by petres007(m): 3:59pm On Feb 23, 2011
KunleOshob:

@petres
Why does joagbaje suprise you above Afterall it is a well known fact that his sect specializes in adding and subtracting from the scriptures all calculated towards the singular aim of feeding their greedy hungry bellies.

Yeah, but every single time??
Religion / Re: Foolishness Of Building Big Churches - Are You Of The Real Church Or The Fake ? by petres007(m): 12:56pm On Feb 23, 2011
Oga Joe,

It beats me how you arrived at this:

Joagbaje:

Private halls , home halls, school halls etc. Paul once hired a school hall for the teaching of Gods word.

From this:

Joagbaje:

Acts 19:9
9 But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the [b]lecture hall [/b]of Tyrannus.

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and this:

Joagbaje:

He had hid himself from dangers and authorities, but when he had opportunity, he settles down .Finally he rented a house and use the hall for meetings.

from this:

Joagbaje:

Acts 28:30-31
30 For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. 31 Boldly and without hindrance he preached the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ.



Religion / Re: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by petres007(m): 8:15am On Feb 21, 2011
nuclearboy:

^^

His female version showed her Bible scholarship too on the rhapsody of reality thread misquoting [b]the lesser is blessed by the giver and link that to Abraham and Melchizedek. Talk about an oxymoron! Well, someone pointed out she was basically saying Abraham was the greater since he "gave". [/b]Of course, she took no correction just as gringory above will not .

shocked shocked shocked

Why is it so hard to admit one made a simple mistake? 

I forgot; "gods" don't make mistakes  grin grin grin

Seriously, this lines up with their trademark prideful and boastful attitude about their giving. Its one of the things I kept wondering about back then. I thought we were supposed to keep to Jesus' teachings on this; that we were not to let the right hand know what the left was doing, but these guys couldn't stop boasting about their giving and even disclose details about it!  shocked Whatever happened to your heavenly father seeing your deeds in secret and blessing you openly??

It's no surprise they'd now say the lesser is blessed by the giver.  undecided
Religion / Re: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by petres007(m): 7:32am On Feb 21, 2011
newmi:

we have proved this message in our personal lives

If it works, it must be God! cool

newmi:

[/color] and like the apostle John wrote "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and hands have handled, of the Word of life" (John 1:1)

Just look at him quote John out of context grin
Religion / Re: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by petres007(m): 3:15pm On Feb 20, 2011
nuclearboy:

^^ Those words come from a member of Christ's body and are the judgment Paul spoke of us having. It will be executed, in due time.

wink
Religion / Re: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by petres007(m): 11:54am On Feb 20, 2011
aletheia:

Understand this then: Judgment is coming upon Chris' Embassy and all other daughter churches of Babylon. It draws near and shall be swiftly fulfilled. It is unfortunate that you have refused to listen.

Amen! So good to know that God will not put up with the misrepresentation of his word forever.
Religion / Re: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by petres007(m): 9:08pm On Feb 19, 2011
nuclearboy:

Bold words truly tell the tale. wink

Got it cool
Religion / Re: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by petres007(m): 5:41pm On Feb 14, 2011
Joagbaje:

1-What is gospel? it means goodnews. Not bad news. The goodnews includes dominion over sickness,sin.death and poverty. God makes men great and prosperous. it is false gospel of false humility that teaches poverty. lipsrsealed

Your excellency. . .

Only someone who really does not understand God's dealings/history with man as potrayed in scripture will say the gospel being goodnews is in terms of dominion over sickness and poverty like you've stated here o. . . I know you've practically quoted chris[b]t[/b] verbatim but it still doesn't make it biblically correct o shocked shocked shocked
Religion / Re: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by petres007(m): 11:20am On Feb 14, 2011
SirJohn:

@Mabell, the sooner you stopped posting on this thread the better; You are humiliating Oyaks, and its becoming amusing. grin grin grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy cheesy grin


Naaa. . . me thinks not. The way things run at CEC, members can hardly say anything outside of what they've heard pastor chris[b]t[/b] say (thanks to not having time to study scriptures for oneself). . . I'll actually be surprised if she's not quoting him or some other pastor verbatim. grin

and that's what I call amusing grin grin grin
Religion / Re: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by petres007(m): 8:12am On Feb 14, 2011
mabell:

My point is that the amoeba reproduce by dividing itself. that's how God give birth. he divides himself into us. shocked shocked shocked

1 Corinthians 12:11
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. shocked shocked shocked

This is unbelievable! grin grin grin
Religion / Re: S’africa Orders Chirst Embassy Church To Stop Faith Healing Ads by petres007(m): 4:18pm On Feb 12, 2011
nuclearboy:

But it means little to us because we know it is a trust given to us for the purpose of showing God's Glory to the World. And how many cars does anyone sit inside? How many houses or rooms do you sleep in? [size=14pt]Only those with their minds set here think like you do[/size] and it tells a lot about you when [size=16pt]your treasure is on earth[/size].

Religion / Re: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by petres007(m): 7:19pm On Feb 09, 2011
SirJohn:

I rest my case grin

ROFLMHO grin grin grin
Religion / Re: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by petres007(m): 6:26pm On Feb 06, 2011
Joagbaje:

If you study Paul’s writing in context, you’ll discover he wasn’t referring to any kind of sickness or infirmity of the body. The 10th verse lets us know he was referring to the batterings he experienced from the persecutions, reproaches, distresses and adversities he faced for the sake of the Gospel. He never for once rejoiced about being sick or excused sickness.

Understand that Jesus came, not just to die for us and save us from sin, or to heal our sick bodies, but also to give us Zoë, the God-kind of life. That life is what you received when you were born again, and it can’t be destroyed by sickness, disease and infirmity.
Sadly, many haven’t understood what this life is all about, so they suffer ignorantly with sickness (Hosea 4:6). But as you take a hold of this truth today and live by it, you’ll begin to experience the joy of living in divine health.

Confession
I refuse to be sick because it’s not in my nature. I’m a new creation in Christ Jesus; old things are passed away, and all things have become new. The man that could get sick is dead; the “me” that’s alive today has Zoë – [color=#990000]the supernatural life of God that makes me invincible and impregnable to sickness, disease and infirmity.
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Obviously, Paul didn't have this "supernatural life" you Oyaksians rant about. He did get sick and didn't see it as strange and hence, no need to "make excuses" for it:

12 Brothers, I beseech you, become as I am, because I also have become as you are. You never did me any wrong;

13 on the contrary, you know that although it was [size=14pt]illness[/size] which brought about my preaching the gospel to you at my first visit,

14 and although [size=14pt]my bodily affliction [/size] was a trial to you, you did not scoff at it nor spurn me, but welcomed me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus himself.



Galatians 4 (MNT)

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Religion / Re: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by petres007(m): 5:28pm On Feb 06, 2011
SirJohn:

@newmi, there is more than one instance in the bible where God allowed some seemingly unfortunate situations to have its way on his children to remind them of his omnipotence. you're simply spewing out garbage you heard from Chris.

dem dey jump am pass. . . by faith grin
Religion / Re: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by petres007(m): 5:07pm On Feb 06, 2011
Demain_man:

Na only sickness? Why not death? shocked

abi o grin grin grin
Religion / Re: South Africa Orders Christ Embassy To Stop Faith Healing Ads by petres007(m): 11:39am On Feb 04, 2011
mabell:

At the Healing school, the students are not taught to stop their drugs, they are only taught the word of God.
They are taught on how to receive their healing
After they are ministered to, they are encouraged to go back to their doctors to confirm their healing
If there are no changes yet they organize another class for them but their drugs still continues

Sounds so much like the 100% record of Jesus & the apostles "miracles ministry", doesn't it? I mean, lots of folk were ministered to who observed no changes and had to come back for more "classes" on how to receive their healing.  grin

You know what I LOVE about you guys - you just can't help but give yourselves (and your MOGs demigods) away all the time!  shocked grin grin grin

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