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Done with the topic, the thread is left for you guy to say whatever you wish to say because i am out.

@Bigfrancis

I don't think it is proper to tell me to stop speaking for the whole aniomas because i can also ask you to stop speaking for the whole aniomas too or are you not referring to the whole group when you indicate that delta igbos are igbos without respecting the fact that some of them wish not to be referred to in that manner?. In any anioma association either through the virtual or physical medium, you have people from these three groups Ika, Ndokwa and Enuani ( Aniocha and Oshimilis) belonging to these associations.

The identity is evolving because you still have groups who want to be called igbos, anioma igbos, igbos of anioma or just aniomas only but made up of the Ika, Ndokwa and Enuani ethnic groups. It will be better if they are referred to as enuani,aniocha or oshimilis because that is the clear distinct identity that they have within the anioma nation. When you refer to them as delta igbos then you are including us from our own point of view. This is true because the threads created by ikas and ndokwas here on nairaland are always derailed by this igbo thing.

There will only be strife if they try to eat their cake and have it again at the same time, by the way ndokwa is the most populated among the three groups. We believe in equity, justice equality, fairness, brotherhood, collectivism and that unity is our strength. We don't care about numbers sorry, the three groups can stand individually on their own and negotiate their future through strategic alliances. Except the anioma identity that is still coming up, we are already good to go under the anioma umbrella so there will be nothing like discrimination if everyone stays true to the course. It is either you are in 100 percent or you are out, no one is forcing anioma on anyone and everyone is free to be whatever they think is best for them.

I will not dispute your last paragraph because within anioma too we all know they are closely related to some of the groups in anambra state. We lost the creation of anioma state in the past because those anioma regions from anambra state wanted to join and that lost us the needed support. I will not be quick to conclude that in a free choice situation that they will decide to go right or left until that becomes a reality.

We are not native speakers of igbo language, the Ikas speak ika while the Ndokwas speak ukwuani-aboh-ndoni language ( Scandinavian languages are related too just as our language can be related to that of others ). We have been exercising that freedom here but you guys will not let us be as can be seen from this thread and the other disturbance all over the place. The relation is that Spain is a nationality like igbo is a nationality and not an ethnic group. The Catalan are an ethnic group like other ethnic groups that make up Spain who also want to exert their distinctive identity within Spain or breakaway if that is not possible. We as Ndokwas want to maintain our distinctive ethnic identity in whatever nationality we wish to belong and this nationality will not be imposed on us or shoved down our throat.

Presently we are rightfully grouped under the igbo people cluster, that is a nationality and not an ethnic group. A nationality is made up of different ethnic groups that it is possible to see themselves as brothers and live peacefully under one country if everything is right in place ( My emphasis here). Each ethnic group within a nationality has a right to self determination like the Catalans are doing and other ethnic groups within the Spanish nationality. That is the relation between us and the Catalans, i believe we also have a right to form our own nationality like we have done with the anioma term. Hope we can understand that most nationalities like the french, Spanish etc were cemented by brute force and it is possible also to come together based on mutual terms.

Here is a link to some nationalities within Africa and take a look at the people in edo state to see that they do not share nationality with the Yorubas. Take a look also at the nationality in Europe and you will see that the basque region in Spain right now is even a separate nationality and take a look at the Spanish nationality too see the breakdown of the ethnic groups.

Guinean Nationality ( It stretches through West Africa)

http://www.joshuaproject.net/people-clusters.php?peo2=181

Igbo Nationality

http://www.joshuaproject.net/people-clusters.php

Yoruba Nationality

http://www.joshuaproject.net/people-clusters.php

List of Nationalities in Europe

http://www.joshuaproject.net/affinity-blocs.php

Now take a look at the link to see the struggles going on in the Spanish nationality to understand the aspirations of the various ethnic groups within Spain and that it goes beyond Catalonia.

Identity Struggle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalisms_and_regionalisms_of_Spain

Languages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Spain

Ethnic Groups
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Spain#Ethnic_groups


N.B I very much appreciate the fact that we have discussed without throwing insults or calling people slaves thanks.

At the end of the day it doesn't stop us from joint development with the igbos as can be seen in the Nordics, EU, etc.

bigfrancis21: You brought up the discussion of the difference of the Catalonians without going further to tell us why it is so. I've known about the Catalan situation since 2007 when I read it in a Discovery Channel magazine. The language of the Catalonians, Catalan, is more related to French than Spanish. Some scholars regard Catalan as a sub dialect of French. This is especially unique regarding the fact that Catalan speakers are found in Spain where Spanish is the dominant language. Their language differs greatly from the several dialects of Spanish. And owing to this difference, several Catalan people see themselves as different from the Spanish people.

A one-time former president of Spain carried out several raids on Catalan speakers in an effort to rid them off the borders of spain and ensure that the only spoken language in Spain is spanish.

Barcelona is a Catalan city. It is located in Catalan land. However, the natives are bilingual and speak Spanish, in addition to Catalan.

However, the Delta Igbo case is different whereby the several clans speak one dialect/variant of Igbo or the other. And not that they speak a whole different language altogether as first language and then Igbo as second language. No. These people speak Igbo as their native tongue.

By Delta Igbo, I'm referring to the true natives of the land. And not recent migrants from other areas such as the Ebu-Igala people, Ukwunzu-Ugbodu-Ondo people, and Oza Nagogo-Eshan people who are migrants from Igala, Ondo and Eshan lands respectively, who also recognize that they are migrants into Delta Igbo land.

If there was fairness, a bright future (for their language and culture ) and equity for them in Spain today then you will agree with me that they will not be clamoring for a separation today. There are Catalans in France today but they have to speak french in their official daily life and so many different ethnic groups that made up France before the french revolution that imposed the french language and consciousness on everyone.

The Catalans know better not to break up from spain and go join france because the language policy of france will kill their culture and language and hence the reason for clamoring for a separate identity. It is the same thing we are clamoring as ika, ndokwa etc and also trying to come under the anioma identity whereby we see each other as equals and at the same time preserving out cultural heritage while pursuing for a joint development. That is why in delta we all speak pidgin to interact with each other while preserving our cultural heritage, even our senatorial and local demarcation goes along that line.

To be frank with you if Nigeria breaks up today and there is to be any form of igbo nation then it has to be mirrored along the french or Spanish option. One igbo language (central igbo ) and consciousness or autonomous communities based on primary ethnicity and language with equity and fairness as the watchword. If you don't develop this now and continue this enugu vs abia, or omanbala vs this and that then please count the anioma people out. We are not cut out for this kind of dick measuring contest or need to dominate and shout down on us to be igbo whenever we mention our first language and primary ethnicity.

My primary ethnicity is ndokwa( ukwuani-aboh) and going further i can choose as a matter of choice to be regarded as igbo, anioma , bendel or whatever term that can be created. There must be something beneficial to the extra term and consciousness that i would further like to be identified with and that is by choice. It is that choice you guys are not recognizing and try to postulate all the time we create a thread to cherish our primary ethnicity that we are igbos.

If Nigeria is working today, no one will be clamoring for separation and that is the same for the igbo identity. It is a ruse to us now because of the prevalent ideology, way of life and evident relations that exist in igboland today. If the igbo identity and igbo and is moving in the right direction then you will related people begging to be part of it and not the other way round. You can look at my post in whatever way you want to but reality is waiting for us in some years to come. This is a list of the ethnic groups in Nigeria and their primary language, then if this list cannot be understood the same way we on the opposition side understands it then i don't wish to have this discussion anymore. We have gone beyond 100 pages and we will go beyond that with not tangible at the end of the day.

There is no animosity between us and we see those related around us as our first brothers before the benins, yorubas, isokos or whatever but if you guys continue like this then you are just creating the strife between the groups. We are related by culture and language but we are not the same people and we can be one people like the french eventually did if we see each other as equals and there is respect. Any other strategy is just coming together to eventually fail and that is what is happening in Nigeria today.

http://www.joshuaproject.net/countries.php?rog3=NI

I would like to see people condemning the president here to run for political positions and even the presidency in order to fix their country instead of lamenting on the internet all the time.

You don't sit down on the internet and expect your country to be fixed, if you know that the people doing it are not better than you then why not go there to do it properly?.

ITbomb: The President is making sense ,
All he is saying is that all warring parties should come for dialogue n negotiations so that we can move forward as a nation.
Militancy was not solve by military power but when the agitators came to the round table and present their matters , why cant Boko Haram if at all they are genuine come to the table with their grievances .
And the Yoruba pen warriors shun ethnicity and move forward to progress

You get the drift and people just think a president just suddenly changes the country or it is dependent on so many factors like the one presented by the president.

The term igbo is in the same light as saying someone is Spanish, Ijaw, Yoruba, Scandinavian or say someone is a Bantu and it is only used to show that these people are related but they are not the same people. Scandinavian is made up of norwegian, danish, swedish etc and Spanish is made up of catalonian, valencia etc.

Now the term igbo is made up of related people such as ezza, ika, ukwuani-aboh, igbo, ikwerre etc with their own different languages but they are not the same people. Catalonians are fighting to be independent and all the Scandinavian people have their own separate identities. They are not one people but different people related by culture, religion, history and language.

Every constituent unit has a right to pursue their independent identity, stick with the present relation or forge new unions out of this group relation like we have evolved with the Anioma term. Catalonia's are agitating to breakaway from the Spanish unions for reasons which are almost similar to why the Aniomas have moved away from the Igbo relation. The Yorubas fought their own civil wars just like we fought each other within anioma before the ekumeku movement but they are more united today.

You people should instead direct your energy to why the Scandinavian union, yoruba union is strong and why the catalonian union is moving out in different directions now. It will help you guys to understand the anioma people than trying to impose the igbo identity on us instead of thinking that we are ignorant of the similarities that exist within this relation.

The reasons why the Catalonians are moving away from the Spanish identity are the same reasons aniomas are moving away from the igbo identity. It is not like the Catalonians do not have similarities with the other Spanish people in terms of culture, language, religion and history but they want the best for themselves.

You can keep on posting epistles upon epistles that makes no meaning to us and shows that you do not even understand the angle of the people you are engaging with here.

naijababe: I am curious to know why anyone who criticises the president is labelled a hater?

It is a we versus them culture now in Nigeria and everyone is almost segregated to one group. It goes along the political, ethnic, religious lines and any other special interest.

FOLYKAZE: you got your opinion which i respect.

As for me.......i cant stand that and I cant face my shame and weakness as a man. Better it happen behind me than before me since i will surely pass on one day

I understand you but the truth is that they came for something that will benefit them, which could be money, luxury items etc but none of these was available to them. The only other option for male robbers is to rape the females, it is a form of alternative satisfaction to that of getting what they came for. What would they do with your life? will it add one more day to their life if they take yours?, they only put your life in line so that they can get what they are actually looking for. You can give them your life and that will not stop them from still having the alternative satisfaction they want.

The alternative is sexual satisfaction and the best thing is to hold on to your life while you step aside for them to have their way. Provided nothing happens after that then you have to face your family and accept whatever result that comes after your actions. The most important thing is that the lives of everyone has been spared. Only your mother will die for you and to some insignificant extent will be your blood sisters and then wife. The world out there is real and you have to always look out for yourself, a woman will only die for her child and you should also do the same (only die for your blood relations ) no matter what.

Have you seen any lady come here to contribute to the topic? that should give you the clue guy.

FOLYKAZE: and fan three men when they mount her?

Or you want me to loose my life if i did not do that?, the point has already been made and that is my life.

What would be her answer if they asked her to choose between being raped or to kill her husband?, the answer to that question is important but for me i will definitely save my life first.

If he does not believe in the conference then he should not be there in the first place and let those who are for it make their contributions.

I very much prefer the second article to the first one and believe that we should go back to the regions and put people at the center with less power but with the ability to make the regions see where they could cooperate for the overall good of the republic.

revolt: the coup was planned by all but till today its known tht the igbos faced the brunt of una actions! You come out here to talk rubbish. As for how we steal or plan to steal ur lands, thts shows how stupi ur fnkn faculty can get, kindly tell me if uve heard of ny acquired igboland tht wasn't paid for! Atleast I can point izon fulani yorobs etc tht acquired lands as war bOoty. I dare u to mention any igbo intrusions any. Even the scums of igboland nvr think of grabbn land without Payn. Stop spreadn stupid lies bout us! What's ure name sef? I'm guessn sompn emekaish or ucheish, confused ppl

Concern yourself about your own actions that caused your predicament and stop focusing on others. If you are not a compound fool then tell me where i said Igbos wants to grab the land of other people. This is my original statement below and point out to me clearly where i said it was about grabbing land or your IQ is so low that it was the only logical thing that you can process from my statement.

"It has always been mostly about the numbers, resources and land, we see through it even if they deny it till tomorrow."

revolt: what ever ur issues are, iz def clueless. What I really hate is the fact u saboteurs caused us to go to war! We lost eeryfing we had includn our social status n ediats like u hve the guts to come n spk such treachery! Why the hell dnt u ppl jes stop answern our names n cultural values.

The coup was not an isolated event so go find out the actions of the three major tribes that led to the coup and also the coup was planned by soldiers from different part of the country so take your rants and shove it up your ass.

Afam4ever:
Also, speak for yourself and not for the entire Anioma like you've been doing. You're not Igbo. All well and good but pls don't speak for other people.

I will do that when you and your cohorts also mind your business and stop speaking for the entire people of delta north so physician heal thyself first.

Afam4ever:
If you were not going to educate us of how Igbos have been rubbing Delta-Igbos then why did you bring it up. Except of course it's one of those lies that people tell to give their Igbo denial some credibility.

We know what we know and we will keep it to ourselves as long as we recognize it and secretly plan to secure our future.

Afam4ever:
How does Secession of the former eastern region which is a political movement got to do with Igbo, the cultural group. Even though they seem like inseparable siamese twins, they can be independent of each other. And you also mustn't be in the same region with Igbos even in Nigeria but that won't change your cultural makeup. That's what this thread aims at highlighting and not whether Anioma should be merged with the South-East...It's also imperative to note that just as you're not a fan of being called Igbo, a huge number of Delta-Igbos are also not disposed to being called Anioma and a lot of them just like someone i met during the week doesn't even know that a word like "Anioma" exists and he's from Ogwashi-uku. Anioma will continue being what it was created for and that is to unite the Igbo speaking people of Delta state and it will never and i repeat, never be regarded as an ethnic group.

You don't decide the destiny of any group of people, they decide it themselves and we are whatever we refer ourselves to be. At the end of the day those who want to be called Igbo will have to go their own way and those who do not want to be referred to as Igbos will go their own way as well.

Afam4ever:
I'm tey to understand how Igbos in the South-East will manage to take the land and resources of the Anioma people like you guys have been positing. Is there an event that you can point me to? Because this seems like a lie that has gone for too long and is beginning to sound like the truth because it has not been challenged. Tell me how other South-East Igbos have managed to share the minute oil resources in Imo and Abia state? Have Enugu, Abia and Ebonyi beiing getting allocations based on the oil in Abia? Are these states members of NDDC due to the fact that their fellow Igbos are NDDC members? I hope you throw more light to this issue about land and resources grabbing and cite examples of how it has happened in the past.

You do not understand our issues concerning this topic so i will just leave it as it is and not bring it up for discussion with you.

odumchi: I don't know much about that. What I do know is that after the overthrow of Aguiyi-Ironsi's government, people started murdering Igbos (from both sides of the Niger) throughout Nigeria and the government turned a blind eye. I'm not even in this debate. I just had to say something about that disturbing statement you made. For the meantime, I'm still making my way through Chinua Achebe's "There Was A Country"...

Please i would like to clarify the disturbing statement for you if you don't mind as i don't know what part of my statement was disturbing to you. The events of the past were very terrible and as you said Igbos from both sides of the Niger were killed but some were left out when Biafra was declared. We always have to look back and ask questions, no Anioma here has anything against Igbos but when you try to impose yourself on people then it doesn't go down well. The logic i was trying to establish here is that if Aniomas were not part of Biafra in 1967, then it is not compulsory for them to be lumped with Igbos of the southeast in 2013, all Germanic speaking people do not live in Germany.

Afam4eva: How could they have been part of Biafra if they were not in the eastern region. Contrary to what a lot of people think, Biafra was not an Igbo creation. It's just because Igbos made up the majority of the eastern region, so people equated Biafra and Igbo. All Igbos musn't be in one country. There's nothing that says Anioma people must be in the same country with their brothers from across the NIger but they'll always remain Igbos even if they join Burkina-Faso. Always learn to differentiate between a an ethnic group from a country.

So in essence Anioma got nothing to do with the focus of southeast Igbos during the secession of eastern Nigeria in 1967, so why are you loosing sleep over them in 2013?. If you really understood the position of the pro Aniomas from page 1 to 100 then you would know that one of the most important thing for us is not to be in the same state, region, zone or country with you people. We care less if we are eventually called german igbos, aniomas or dubai igbos.

sonya4all: finally this crazy debate has clocked 100 pages. all filled with igbo propaganda of claims.
reducing numbers indeed, selfishness has always been the bane of this agitation.

It has always been mostly about the numbers, resources and land, we see through it even if they deny it till tomorrow.

odumchi: The war didn't happen so long ago that we should be confusing things like this. Easterners in general were targeted. It just so happened that the Igbo had the overwhelming majority of the population of the East, so most cases of violence directed against Easterners were against Igbos.

It could have been a case of blanket targeting everyone from the east by claiming they were all igbos. Now out of curiosity, you did not mention the people of the midwest been targeted after the counter coup, so why were they not targeted as well?.

bigfrancis21: Before the civil war we had regions, North, Western, Eastern and Mid Western regions. Delta Igbo was part of the Mid Western Region then. In 1967, the secession of eastern Nigeria was declared and Delta Igbo wasn't part of it but embedded in the greater Mid Western Region. Secession of the mid western region could not have been declared also since there were many other tribes in the same region, not only the Delta Igbos.

However, Biafra later declared annexation of Delta Igbo region in 1968 or so but it was short-lived.

Please i will like you to provide a proof of this annexation and now to reply your comment. The declaration of biafra included ibibios, ekoi, ijaws and other smaller non igbo groups. Now looking at what led to the declaration of biafra, we could trace it to the fact that igbos were being killed up northern Nigeria and not those other groups who were included in the original declaration.

So was biafra a secession of igbo people or people of eastern Nigeria?, if it was a secession of igbo people then it is totally wrong not to include every so called igbo land or people and i literally don't care if there were regions then. It should have been all igbos from the get go and not telling me that delta igbo was an after thought annexation.

olisaokere: DONT MIND THEM.I HAVE TOLD THEM SEVERAL TIMES THAT ANIOMA IS NOT AN ETHNIC GROUP BUT A NAME COIN OUT FOR ALL THE IGBOS OF DELTA STATE BUT NOW THE BIGOTS WANTS TO MAKE IT AN ETHNIC GROUP BUT WE KNOW WHO WE ARE,IGBO AND NOTHING SHORT OF IT!

What do you lose if you regard yourself as an anioma and not igbo? why was anioma not included in biafra?.

How is child bearing a physical job?

wesley80: LMAO!

My belle one tear ooo

manny4life: If that's the case, why does the FAAC committee state that they disburse to LG directly, why not transfer it directly to the state account? Okay so if I understand correctly, the council men are constitutionally empowered to generate revenue but at the scrutiny of their state governors? I'm sorry that's confusing, so a LG chairman that defies the odds without the state governor is punished or what? I mean I'm totally lost because LG Chairmen are supposed to have broad powers to generate their own revenue outside that of the state or without state interference. This is why LG/Cities provide emergency services, schools, good roads, libraries, etc for their citizens.

It doesn't work that way in Nigeria like it is defined in the western world.

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We need more defeats and possibly go trophy less this season for the management to come to their senses.

It still doesn't shake the fact that we are Madrid and we will respond in due time before the season runs out, its a matter of pride.

We really lacked a presence in the middle where ozil used to be and i don't know why we had to play a double pivot self and put modric on the bench.

Man this giroud na something else ooo.

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Man watch out for the return leg . . . .building for the long term cost me that three point but we will surely get there at the end of the day.


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I can send you some links of what i found when i searched about your question if it is not too late.

sweetguy10: What is it with Neymar always wanting to pass the ball to Messi even when he has clear chances to score ? the respect is too much , score your own goals if Messi wants to give attitudes and suck , then he should . Four Ballon d'ors never do am ? praying Neymar doesn't ever regret coming to Barca .

He might regret if he doesn't score goals that much and becomes one of the players that has to play for messi as it is impossible to have two captains in one ship.

Bale was the fail safe option left for Madrid to counter ronaldo when neymar choosed barcelona over madrid. He is asking for 100 percent increase in his salary and 100 percent ownership of all image rights related to him ( the argument now is 80:20). He is the cause of most issues in real madrid and he disrupted madrid plans alot because of his contract issues.

The only option left for him now is to leave at the end of his current contract or sign for atleast another five years. There are few clubs in the world that can meet his demands and at the same time provide the pedigree Madrid carries. He really needs to think well but i wish he even leaves so that the team can be balanced.