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[quote author=glowingflame7 post=96520839][/quote]Calm down, bud. 'What Japan did..' wasnt comparism bt example. Besides how do you compare advance with a developing country? But because we are incline to 'in a saner clime' mantra, i had to use what had once happened in one saner clime to buttress my point. In my next post, i added the 'critism part' cos the post i responded to suggested i was trying hard to defend not correct with the 'Japan comparism ish'.
And now, see the new post of yours; a suggestive of partisan argument. Replying to that will kick us down that horrible road so it's better to just skip it.
If you insist you aint critising, my bad for seeing that much. But again, Japan's case was only used as sample in the context of my first post not comparism. I aint that dumb to do that.
Yet, i will never get to criticize a good thing too irrespective of where it's happening. I can only hope, pray and clamour for my state and/or region to do and have better.

[quote author=ooohoo post=96522788][/quote]Nice work. At least, it shows we still have people who seeks knowledge and not go along with just any beer-parlour facts and figures.
A big kudos for that explicit argument.

glowingflame7:
It's okay. I'm only looking at Nigeria's peculiar maintenance culture. We are not Japanese or all these countries we keep comparing ourselves to where everything works. What I mean by breakdown or fault is not 2hours fault.

Nobody's comparing us with Japan or any advance country. Japan was only used as an example to trash your flaw reasoning.
You don't have to rush to criticise without getting a good grasp of the subject at hand.
At least if you have to do, base your critism on the flaw not against the good thing.
Whether it's well maintained is another discussion but complaining about the length of train in prefference for shorter and plenty locomotives without considering the implications especially in a society where the people gullibly drink in any information and subsequently act on it without findings is a big trash that have to be immediately dumped where it belongs before it turns to an anthem.

glowingflame7:
The train long oh. I think shorter trains should be more preferable. It's common sense, what do I know sha. Shorter will certainly be less expensive. Meaning we can purchase more.

And for Nigeria's poor maintenance culture, if one train breaks down or have fault. Less people affected, less money lost or spent on repairs. Less loss of material or life. More arrival and departure time with more trains. More work for more drivers etc. I think keke is easier to drive and maintain than trailer. I don't know if same principle applies for smaller/shorter trains.

Flaw reasoning. First of, what breaks down is the carriage not the couch, so the longer the better. Trains move on designated rails which means a breakdown of one will still affect other trains, if not lead to even accident. What Japan did was to invest in superfast carriages with long couches, less trains on rail and improve stations impacts to forestall accident and improve travel time.

I wanted to correct the notion over the previous thread because the lady never pointed that they were the bodies of protesters as the heading misled; but had to let go. Those dead could be anyone and died through any source.
Besides, this Lekki s.hit is taking too long. We deserve to know the truth and I'd have loved the govt to invite in international legislative bodies like the ICC to partner in unravelling the truth for credibility and see that the guilty party(s) be severely punished.
My take.

tollyboy5:
Propose by who? The lekki project has been part of Lagos blueprint even before fashola came. I'm been hearing about it for a very long time.
Its not a state project , federal government are are also funding it. You're the one who need to get your fact right

Getting more funny, right? Lekki Deep Seaport, Lekki FTZ, Lekki Airport were proposed at the same time by Fashola's administration right after the Dangote Refinery was successfully courted. They weren't even in the Blueprint Tinubu administration handed over. The secured refinery necessitated the presence of those things especially as Lekki, as updated by Tinubu blueprint, is/was aimed to be a developed, residential, commercial cum industrial settlement.
Moreover, the Lekki seaport, like Lekki Airport and Lekki FTZ, is a state project under a PPP and would only return back to the FG after 40yrs. Read up about the project so you don't continue spreading misinformation. Good morning and happy Sunday.

chrisblack:
Ambode had is reasons. especially has regards the actual amount being borrowed and the real % injected into the project from the total sum borrowed. Ambode deliberately abstained from the project. He was the brain behind it's financial. He knows bulk of funds gotten were never actually used for what it was meant for. Likewise the ilubirn.Using govt money to benefit private ppckets

You're only kidding now, right? How does the leopard become suspicious of a tiger? How are they any different? Do you even know how much the Oshodi interchange costed LagosState? A whooping N7b, if not 9b, that's what. It's one of those things he was probed for by the LS HOA while his term ran out. So if there's any1 to complain of such fraud, it's not Ambode.
And for the record, he avoided Fashola uncompleted projects 'cos there's no chance of inflating their cost since papers had already being signed and the amount paid documented.

tollyboy5:
Lekki deep sea port, free trade zone etc are not just started, they've been abandoned for very long time.
It is Godfatherism that is killing Lagos. Had it been the voters in Lagos had sense they'll go against godfatherism.
Lagos state is messy. Forget about roads and island. Too many below standard houses with exorbitant prices. But foolish leaders dont care about the common man.
Our foolish people are only after praising top thief's . by 2023 you might need to make apology for sanwo olus incompetency and blame it on covid-19 and endsars .

Lol. Can you provide evidence when else work started at Lekki Deep Seaport other than a couple of months ago? Since proposed by Fashola's administration, the land was just prepared, nothing else till Sanwo Olu was only able to secure fund from partner which was just remitted (about 1/3 of the propose fund) this March but nothing could be done due to Covid19.It's there on the internet, google it. And it's PPP.

Ambode should be stoned for abandoning a project this important in easing traffic in lagos state. What stopped him from giving it require attention while he went about doing his own projects? There was no chance he'd been able to finish those projects, to start with, so why not complete the work of the previous administration?
Fashola is in the good book of the state today because he put every project he met unfinished in his focus and was able to deliver mega project of his own.
Like someone upthere rightly put, this project and the 4th Mainland Bridge alongside the just-started Lekki Deep Seaport would bloat the CV of any governor who successfully delivers them.

Ambode should be stoned for abandoning a project this important in easing traffic in lagos state. What stopped him from giving it require attention while he went about doing his own projects? There was no chance he'd been able to finish those projects, to start with, so why not complete the work of the previous administration?
Fashola is in the good book of the state today because he put every project he met unfinished in his focus and was able to deliver mega project of his own.
Like someone upthere rightly put, this project and the 4th Mainland Bridge alongside the just-started Lekki Deep Seaport would bloat the CV of any governor who successfully delivers them.

I don't blame the peddlers of these fake news/pix/vids but the gullibles ones who easily fell for it, especially the yorubas, to the extent of destroyng facilities meant to ease their situations. It's clear some people want a crumble SouthWest, particularly with the pre-planned fake pix/vids to incite violence and the indication of places to destroy by certain toxic elements during the chaos but i pray their wish bounce back to hurt them.
Long live Lagos state.
Long live SouthWest states.
Long live peace and prosperities on our land.

Good one. Governor Sanwo Olu has lekki right in his focus and with the forth mainland bridge coming, lekki's surely opening up as the next goose laying the golden eggs for further improvement of lagos state economy.

Bluntemperor:
Our able Governor,Sanwo-Olu,please make those lane -Six lanes to avoid APAPA present and chronic-transport by extending same from Dagote Refinery to -Epe !
Also,how far about the 4th - Mainland Bridge? Why is the Official Take-Off being delayed?

The Fourth Mainland Bridge cannot start until this Regional road is completed or clearly paved because it is the link to the bridge according to the plan. As you can see, the road is just at the ground-braeking state; just about to take off.
However, the eight contractors shortlisted (from the initial 30 that signified their interest to build the projects) are still been screened and according to the state governor as depicted in the LASG website, the publics would get to know their choice in few months. But they don't wann rush things since the project can't commence until road linking to it has been well paved or completed.

sphynxed:
Ode

What a sensational response from one of the guys who are hoping to push underperformance in the shape of Peter Obi down our throat!! Incredible, isn't it? Well, I can't stoop that low to the level you are accustom to. I ain't up for the mud fight. Only pigs go that far.

godwinkessi:
Next time when u wanna type rubbish don’t quote me

Perhaps, I'd have to quote a wise man: In the world of the mad, he said, only the madmen are sane. That post would look like a trash to you 'cause the truth's always lost on you guys. And that's why the Ghanaian are treating the Bleep up of your brothers in Accra and Kumasi. Chestbeating about, thinking you're wortgh more than you actually are and badmouthing others ain't gonn do you no good.

sphynxed:
Money for development you say?
lol.......come off it.

Where else do you think the money being used to construct all these infrastructure is coming from? The revenue ain't being pluck from some tree somewhere. you know.
That doesn't mean the government is entirely honest, though, but fact on ground still shows they are trying. They are doing a lot much more than the people you guys were trying to to portray in good light hence the condemnation of the people who are clearly better.

anonimi:
The sufferheads are done for eternally, even hailing the leeches sucking blood away from them.


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It ain't by force to stay in Lagos. We only need the lots who would contribute effectively to the development, not the useless lots hoping to see its rot. Anybody is allowed to try another if Lagos is giving him/her some headache instead of wailing all the time about it.

Good one from Lagos; more money for development.

Oladeji245:
my dad- osogbo, osun state
my mum- epe, Lagos
joke is on people like u.
u know someone is enslaving u, you gnash your teeth in private because nothing is moving well in d country, its even worse in Lagos..
high tax, high debt, high cost of living with nothing to show.
I'm willing to bet u are one frustrated guy who can't even bost of 10 k in your account yet our lives is being ruled by the bourdilon bullion van parking king of tout..
lol

Joke of the year. We know what you are, be true to your biafla.
PS: The enboldened says a good lot about you: chestbeating, sad, wail and hate. you can't hide it.

Oladeji245:
have you been to oyingbo, ikorodu.epe.mushin.bariga.ejigbo.makoko.agege ,ajegunle, badagry and several other parts of Lagos I haven't been able to mention?
Lagos Is worse than mediocrity,its an overrated piece of shit.
I mean..can't believe a sane human being without taking the past history of Lagos in to contention will be defending d shenanigans of a single man turning d state into a vasal of himself and his cronies..
what is happening in Lagos is d definition of modern day slavery

Now, you just define whom you are. Stop hiding behind that moniker and be true to your ancestor. I'd have loved where you'd have shown me how the cable-stayed bridge in America is made of gold, where the BRT bus in LONDON is made of silver, where the bus station in Oshodi will not cut it in Amsterdam because those theirs is built with diamond. Shame. Or must the ones we have here be constructed in same look before you considered them standard? How many years has the third mainland bridge used or has it not faced enough pressure to have shown its good standard? Again, what's the definition of mediocrity? Or d'you just use the word at liberty? Is standard only measure by how fanciful something looks? Won't something be of a quality standard if it's serving its purpose quite fine, especially if it's built by a reputable company? Then, how many of the bridges in Lagos isn't being built by reputable company? Which of them is mediocrity?
And all the places you named would still give most of your best places in your forsaken region a good run for their money for I'm sure you're making this comment as a sadist.
American stars had been in Lagos and had gone round to tell others Nigeria is lit. I can remember Rio Ferdinand granted an interview where he said he'd discussed the country with many of his mates that the country, its people and delicacy are beautiful. He said he'd been convincing them that the picture they hold of Africa, particularly Nigeria, may be quite inappropriate and false. And do you care to tell me where the English man had visited in the country? If Lagos is your state or within your region, you'll be happy for it not sad even thopugh we all know it still has a lot to do. Yet the places you named ain't the only places on the mainland let alone Lagos metropolis.

Oladeji245:
have you been to oyingbo, ikorodu.epe.mushin.bariga.ejigbo.makoko.agege ,ajegunle, badagry and several other parts of Lagos I haven't been able to mention?
Lagos Is worse than mediocrity,its an overrated piece of shit.
I mean..can't believe a sane human being without taking the past history of Lagos in to contention will be defending d shenanigans of a single man turning d state into a vasal of himself and his cronies..
what is happening in Lagos is d definition of modern day slavery

Now, you just define whom you are. Stop hiding behind that moniker and be true to your ancestor. I'd have loved where you'd have shown me how the cable-stayed bridge in America is made of gold, where the BRT

Oladeji245:
lol
u will know posts of those who hasn't stepped out of Nigeria when u see dem...
always comfortable with mediocrity

Quite fine, I haven't gone beyond my street before let alone getting to the airport but give yourself an honest answer to these: Is the Lekki/Ikoyi link bridge mediocrity? Is the bus terminal at oshodi mediocrity? Is Five Cowry jetty at Falomo mediocrity? Is the BRT system mediocrity? is the lightrail and SGR system mediocrity? What actually is the definition of mediocrity? Or d'you care to expantiate why these named facilities are one?
Trust me if any of the mentioned facilities had been uprooted and planted in that state/city/country you've got in mind, it would still have look classic in the environment but the inferiority complex of the black mind and/or hate on another blackman ('s thing) would not let them see the good in what they have around them. Of course, we know Lagos like most African cities have a long way to go but that doesn't mean we must not commend the little being done which is commendable by their financial capability.
London had been a $500b economy for a long time, New York a little more while Lagos you want to compare with them has just grown its own above $100b with more people to cater for than London, Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, barcelona, even Joburg (all of which has bigger economy) and a tiny landmass when compared with New York.

RuudVanNisteroy:
Why doesn't it still have portable water,good network,poor transportation network and hospitals that can't attend to it's leaders-why must your leaders fly to England, if it is developing vigorously. Is development only on the pages of newspapers?

Careful, bro. Check back what I wrote without emotion this time: the infrastructures get overwhelmed because of the number of population feeding on them. And of course, that doesn't mean it's not developing more infrastructures. More bridges had been built (some ongoing and some in the pipeline), more roads had been built (some ongoing and some in the pipeline), more medical facilities built, transportation systems improved to meet the modern standard (Remember, it's the first state to implement the BRT system in Africa, creation of numerous bus stations and lay-byes, creation of waterway transport that was not available back in the days, creation of modern jetty stations to standardize the process), returning the focus of the state towards agriculture with infrastructure to sustain the growth, remodelling the rail system to meet the modern standard (something that was degressed to an abysmal low when the state was the capital), creation of platforms that shoots the state financial prowess from a meagre one to a mighty substance amongst others.
Like I pointed in the other post, the problem has largely been the overpopulation of the state. With the lots of infrstructure in the state, it should be doing well if the population had been moderate or better still, if it has the landmass which would've meant there will be no much density in a given area to overwhelm the facilities available.
They are low in medical facilities but recently, we have seen improvement. Yet, that doesn't mean it doesn't havee the best/one of the best facilities in rthe country hence the reason why most prominent member of the society fly into the state for medical attention when the world was on lock down.
PS: And it's not just development on paper like you pointed. I don't care to know where you're living in the state (unless you're typing from your region), step outside and all or most of these facilities will be staring at you in their glorious view. Lagos hasn't gotten to where it should be but the development is commendable hence the reason why it still remain in all the developmental indices of world cities from reputable sources as the best in Nigeria.

Picture 1 was the old Carter Bridge. It was around before the independence; it was even around before the amalgamation of Southern regions. It was destroyed and rebuilt after independence though.
Ikorodu Road in that picture itself was around before independence. So majority of the picture you have there were the handwork of the Yorubas even though it isn't Asiwaju Tinubu. But it's the effort of the Yorubas all the same.
Check this thread for more nice picture of Lagos in the 1850 upward:
https://www.nairaland.com/lagos-1898before-nigeria-not-oil (Sorry the main thread I wanted to type is below)
https://www.nairaland.com/what-lagos-environs-looked-like
So you may have to shake yourself outta that entitlement feeling that you develop Lagos because long before being the capital, Lagos had gotten good infrastructures of that time. We can even argue that the amalgamation of the nation did its progress a lot of havoc.
By the way, Lagos is still developing its infrastructure vigorously. The problem it's facing is over population because the landmass is obviously too little for the lot it contained hence the reason why many of these facelifts are seriously overwhelmed.

godwinkessi:
Exactly or maybe they should just be allowed to go. What do u think?

Who's holding them back? Everything have to follow a due process. But if they think they can threaten, badmouth or verbally attack anybody to give them anything, they are in for a very long ride.
When their ancestors were blocking all point of exit in the constitution, they all were rejoicing. Now, it's haunting them and they think they can threaten anybody to submission again. Let's see how that goes. It seems they've got some more to learn.

bigpriik:
You call Yorubaland developed? is it not the Lagos I am living stop the propaganda pro the only beautiful place in Lagos is the island the rest is ghetto, name it fadeyo, jibowu , Makoko slums? and yet Lagos the only developed part of southwest , I have being to ogun state, oyo state they are still living in the 18century with brown roofs.

That you're living in the slum part of the Mainland doesn't mean the whole Mainland is one. Surulere, Festac, Yaba, Magodo, Maryland, Ikeja, Omole, Ogudu, Okota, Gbagada and the ilks are on the same Mainland. And I can authoritatively tell you that not only are these places far away from being slums but they are actually developed.

happybrother:
Why do you like tribal fight, does anything come from it.? Repent

Let him continue. We'll show him why the Ghanaians had made his brothers the mopping rags in their country. You run to a haven yet you still go ahead to badmouth your host. Let him continue, he'll still meet his waterloo here too.
Even the GHANAIANS HAD COME TO SEE THEM FOR WHOM THEY ARE:

I'm particular about the deep seaport and the industrial hub that they focus on. If the two of them are well nurtured and sustained, with modern infrastructures to back them up, estate development will grow and surely, the economy will be so much better for it. Good one Aketi, on this, we have your back.

PS: And I hope Lagos State be a big brother by partnering Ondo State to build the propose coastal highway (and SGR) that would connect Lekki to Ilaje, in order to help the economy in the latter. If theirs confidence Lagos is only an hour away, people would move there too even though they have their work in Lagos hence the further chance of real estate development in Ondo State.

Awaken to another wail about Lagos State and Tinubu. Wail on, guys. It's your heritage.

Tkester:
Shame on you! Your leaders are raping you from behind and instead of aligning with people who are trying to extricate you from the clutches of poverty, you choose to be not just blind but stupid! No wonder your likes voted for the continental disaster Buahari

Remove the log in your eyes before you try to help others. How many times have you aligned behind others calling out the Peter Obis, the Orji Uzor Kalu, the Ikpeazu, the Wike et all? Are they saints you guys would rather defend?
Spare me the bulls.hit of the raping and poverty tag, we know which region is suffering most from these calamities and that's so much where your wail and focus should be directed not the place that's a lot doing better despite the atrocities you cite against it.
Lagos was making a meagre before Tinubu stepped on board as a governor. Well, we all know how far we've gone since and we're not stopping for anything. If Peter Obi still has his state in such a position it is and you don't see a reason to continue calling him out for contributing to its misfortune, then, you're the one with the utmost shamelessness for putting your attention where it's of no importance. So, Tinubu ain't your problem. Face your politicians looting away your future and that of the unborn generation, if actually you really have an iota of shame left in you.

All these show of image-attacks are being sponsored by people who want to destabilize the South-West camp against the 2023 presidential election. They attack and condemn the capabilities of all Yoruba likely candidate from Tinubu to Fashola to Osinbajo et all. One was even asking what Asiwaju Tinubu did in office and there was another time another was asking what Fashola did in office. Yet, when you ask them how the miracle came about that Lagos was a lot better than in 1999 before the administration of Ambode in term of infrastructure, polity, financial capability, technological capability, health-care and ease of doing business hence the oceans of start-ups doing great in the land, they get dumb and began a goalpost shift.
We just need to let them continue in their wailing. They can't stop our stride. They've never supported our interest, so why must we be afraid of their hate now? Come 2023, we'll still trump them.
Long live Lagos State
Long live all south west states
Long live all the well-meaning Omoluabis
Eko O ni Baje o... A tunbo maa dara si ni.
Odede gbogbo awa omo yoruba a dun kale o.
Ile Oodua a gbewa o.

So if APC is bad, is PDP the answer? Perhaps, it's time we played the right politics where campaigns are all about the achievements of the party and the individuals the party's promoting either in government or private/public sector. If we can add this together, we'll get the best man for the job. But I doubt this will happen because tribal sentiment is making us push upfront who doesn't deserve our recognition.

I hope this is true. If they can bring constant power suppy into play, particularly in the urban and commercial areas, the economy will get a good rebound; and there's a good chance our FDI might skyrocket back to the huge percentage we boasted in the 70s.

I hope this is true.