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pleep:
@ physics.  Why must it just be about sex?

Dude's face is a little beat up. This is just jungle fever. He could have an amazing personality, but how could she look at him long enough to appreciate it?

I have nothing against genuine relationships between people of different cultures, nationalities, races, etc.

But in real relationships, people tend to be with people who are at their level, or at least not way below their level.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matching_hypothesis


So he must be making up for it some other way.

^^^

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast24may_1/

In June, foreign news executives were taken aback when Putin hit back at a question about whether Russia would favor sanctions against Iran if it failed to stop enriching uranium.

"What if my grandmother had certain sexual attributes?" he snapped, dismissing the question as merely rhetorical. "Then she would be my grandfather."

Classic.

Beaf:
--Beaf saunters in, dragging Sagamites carcass, hails naijaking1. Finds no rum and women. Leaves.--

lol

Pretty cool attire in those dances/masquerades.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=630189.msg7974323#msg7974323 date=1300937450]John Campbell has been predicting fire and brimstone for Nigeria nonstop.

He seems to be obsessed with Nigeria. Hoping that the country breaks up to prove his predictions correct.[/quote]So you don't want his predictions to be correct? Surprising.

The guy might be an "obsessed" outsider, but he's genuinely sympathetic.

oyb:
https://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/1701.gif

this says it all

this is gej's target market as far as the youth are concerned

riley freemans, celebrity worshipping empty headed thugnificent groupies

lol

People who keep saying colonialism was a blessing are forgetting the example of Japan, which was able to modernize after exposure to the outside world without being economically exploited, invaded, or mentally and culturally degraded.

AjanleKoko:
I kind of agree. Though we only look at Western colonization. The Arabs might well have overrun sub saharan Africa. Speaking of Arabs, they were also colonized, ironically. Ditto most of Asia. Colonization is relative. Modern Britain has a Norman, Saxon, and Roman colonial past.

You really believe that?

If they could have then they would have. They had neither the organization, geographical knowledge, disease resistance or medical knowledge to do so.

nanidee:
Hallo Nairalanders,

Once in a while, we get to listen to different aspects of various cultures. Some are so shocking and bizzare,  like OMG  , and some are so funny to listen to.

Lets share our rich cultures. Something you have heard or experienced that just left you saying OMG,

I'll go first.

Somewhere in my mum's village, when the girls reach the age of puberty, and particularly when they see their first period, they are made to dance round the village square unclothed, and by this i mean nothing being worn on top, and then, just a little cloth to cover the private area down there. It is at that point that the men of the village are at liberty to "touch" and "press" any of the bosoms they like,  and of course put in some money in the girl's plates.

Lets share other fun cultures.

What culture is this?

This is truly bizarre.

Pointless thread.

The spam blocker strikes again?

Onlytruth:
Posted by: PhysicsMHD
@PhysicsMHD

All I am really saying is that in a country where there are DIFFERENT belief systems and cultural practices spread among different groups within that system, there can NOT be similar reaction to the same thing, eg, disasters.

You actually believe that? The Germans and the Japanese are quite different culturally, but I'm willing to bet that their responses wouldn't be much different after a disaster (with regard to looting), although possibly for quite different reasons.

If you take a look around the world, the only way to maintain "sameness of conduct" in culturally heterogeneous societies is through the use of force of law -police, law courts and jail. Nothing else.
This is a controversial view, but it remains the truth.

This presupposes that one or more of the cultures in the culturally heterogeneous society will need to have the law applied to their conduct to make it the same as whatever conduct is the preferred conduct for the society as a whole. If the different types of conduct are different but are all "good" conduct, why would there be any need to enforce sameness?

The example I gave about an assumed Japan made up of REALLY DIFFERENT nations, is spot on. The proportion of national representation in this cultural mix is really irrelevant. The point is that Japanese believe same things.

How is it spot on? I think you basically insinuated that Russians and Arabs would loot, rather than behave as the Japanese did after their disaster. I don't know what insights about Arab or Russian culture you have that would make you think that their culturally induced behavior would deviate strongly from the behavior of Japanese after a natural disaster, but I suspect that you're just concocting the idea that they would loot after a natural disaster based on negative media images in recent times rather than on any concrete knowledge of Arabic cultures or Russian culture.

In Nigeria for instance, we don't believe same things. . .AT ALL. That is why there is constant looting, from the top government officials at the national level, to a guy standing by the way side waiting for an accident to happen. There is no sameness of view and culture.

Unity of culture, custom, and outlook could subliminally influence the behavior of politicians and the average man on the street, perhaps in a positive way, and possibly in negative ways (if aspects of the culture itself are negative or backwards), but what I was pointing out is that it simply does not follow that heterogeneity of culture and outlook necessarily results in negative behaviors among the populace or in good behavior being overridden.

ROSSIKE gave an example of what normally happens in Igboland. It is not a matter of being superior or right or wrong. It is just what it is.

I'm pretty sure that when you said "Supposing Japan is made up of 25% Russians, 25% Uzbeks, 30% Japanese, and 15% Arabs, do you think there won't be looting or something similar? Do you think that the Japanese culture would dominate those of Russians or Arabs etc?", you assumed that looting (something negative) was a behavior that was more likely to emerge from people under the influence of one of the three non-Japanese cultures you gave as examples. In the same manner, an Uzbek, Russian, or Arab, that knows nothing about Igbo cultural behavior from first hand experience and only knows about Igbos from what he or she might have read or seen in the media, (which could be positive or negative, depending on the situation or events described/depicted) could make the same unprovable and negative assumption about what would happen if Igbos, Japanese, and two other groups were in that hypothetical four-culture Japan after a natural disaster.

Oil in Ondo state is in Ilaje land. That's not Ijaw.

Mughaddaffi,

Ghaddugabe,

Mugu-daffy,

etc.

efisher:
I know the ibos are everywhere no doubt, but 40%! That's a tough one. Or are we saying the Ibos were so smart that they registered en mass in the North while the numerous mallams and abokis were busy doing something else? Nothing is impossible in Nigeria anyway.

Yeah.

"What monstrous absurdities and paradoxes have resisted whole batteries of serious arguments, and then crumbled swiftly into dust before the ringing death-knell of a laugh!" - Agnes Repplier

johnie:
If you ask me the Italians are some of the most corrupt people in the world.

As for Berlusconi, the guy is an artful dodger.

Check this rap sheet out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_involving_Silvio_Berlusconi

You can see why the guy has to be prime minister, even at his old age (undergoing  all kinds of surgery to look young).

He needs the power to protect his business and pleasure interests!

Yeah, Berlusconi's a blatant criminal. He's a national embarrassment for them, but he still has a significant following. It's kind of strange.

MandingoII:
you are rather silly and unenlightened on world matters. 

Stop posting!

What's your problem?

Fact of the matter is, if he's in Tripoli, he's probably biased. Just because he says he was a dentist that was never interested in politics doesn't change the fact that Tripoli is a Ghaddafi stronghold.

What else have I said that's silly and unenlightened?

Title of the thread is slightly misleading.

There is a difference between the voting populace and the entire populace. These stats probably have something to do with education level. . .

r.i.p.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=626139.msg7967485#msg7967485 date=1300863226]Some of these AA posters act like we owe them something. We do not owe them anything. Using terms like "look up to them." What kind of condescending statements are this? They should be looking up to us, because we are there cultural forbears. We are their Alpha and their Omega.[/quote]You complained about condescending statements, then you went and made a condescending statement. ("They should be looking up to us, because we are there cultural forbears. We are their Alpha and their Omega." 

ROSSIKE:
One answer: Confucian principles. Every Oriental person is taught these from early childhood as a matter of state policy. A form of social engineering.

For the part in bold, proof?

I know that Confucian works were read as the "Classics" for youth in Japan in pre-European times, but are you sure that that is still going on?

It's the sort of philosophy, borne of traditional legacies, that is desperately needed in Africa.

Especially urban, ''modern'' Africa where the restraining, civilizing effects of African tradition are less visible.

Africans still retain their civility, but this is confined to the 'old' Africa of the village.

If disaster were to strike my village in Igboland, I know for sure that there will be no looting.

At core, African culture is every bit as civilized as Japanese culture. The 'chaos' we see in modern Africa is a result of the cultural vacuum left by the suppression of African cultural values by the slave trade and colonial interregnum.

You're probably right, with regard to some Africans.

Onlytruth:
@PhysicsMHD

What I'm saying is that what you see in Japan is the result of a cultural homogeneity among a people -they all believe the same thing. For instance honor, dignity, suicide.
Supposing Japan is made up of 25% Russians, 25% Uzbeks, 30% Japanese, and 15% Arabs, do you think there won't be looting or something similar? Do you think that the Japanese culture would dominate those of Russians or Arabs etc?
Supposing the Japanese believe in violence only as a last resort to self defense (as is usually the case), would the Arab agree with that? The best you can hope for in such a country is RULE OF LAW, not culture.

Ok, I understand what you're saying now. However, I would have to point out that it doesn't follow that because cultural heterogeneity might,  in certain scenarios, result in one or more of the 4 groups' culture overriding that of the Japanese and making them act in an "un-Japanese" manner and start looting, that cultural heterogeneity necessarily results in "Japanese" cultural behavior being overridden or negatively impacted. What if you had said 25% Chinese, 25% Japanese, 25% Indian, 25% German? I can't assert what would happen in such an arrangement as I'm no expert on these cultures, but what if it just so happens that the other different cultures (Chinese, Indian, German) have cultural values regarding honor and shame, which - even if not as "extreme" as that of the Japanese - match up well with or even positively impact that  of the Japanese?


Cultural homogeneity might preclude any scenario where a group's cultural inclinations or behavior are overridden, but it doesn't necessarily follow that cultural heterogeneity must result in a group's cultural inclinations/behavior in some or all areas (such as honor, shame, or crime) being overridden.

I also have to ask, what if it's the case that the trade-off, for all 4 groups involved, is actually optimal and actually a good thing in terms of culturally transforming each group? I mean what if the Russians learn about the importance of honor and dignity to the point where their corrupt businessmen, leaders, etc. commit suicide or refrain from corruption out of fear of shame, and the Arabs and Uzbeks learn optimal business/economic strategies and technological focus from the Japanese, the Japanese could learn to be dominant/prominent in international politics from the Russians, etc. etc.

I think your claim presupposes that there is one culturally superior group (Japanese) who can only be negatively impacted by the other three. There could be positive and negative impacts on each of the four from the other groups and there could definitely be an arrangement of some four groups that could result in a net positive impact on the constituents of the country by their union, thus making cultural heterogeneity a superior alternative to cultural homogeneity. I suspect that there are already some countries in existence where this (mostly) mutually beneficial cultural fusion is exactly what happened and where what we think of today as one national culture is actually a fusion of cultures.

When the Oba of Benin cast a curse on kidnappers, it worked for a few days, until non-indigenes said bleep the oba, and continued with their crimes. I bet you that if it was only binis, they won't dare, 'cos they believe the Oba's curse would affect them.

While it is true that the criminals in Benin city that rushed the palace begging for forgiveness after the curse were almost certainly all Binis, I haven't seen anything to suggest that any or all kidnapping that happened after the curse was necessarily committed by or due to the influence of non-indigenes. I would assume that the lower amount of influence and authority of the Oba of Benin in modern times is the actual explanation for the continued kidnapping and robbery even after the curse.

Finally, yes, the civil war launched armed robbery in Nigeria. My parents recall that before the war, if a thief entered your compound, all you needed do was raise your voice and ask "who is that!" and the thief would take to his heels!

Today, they would kidnap you, tell you where to bring millions of naira whether you like it or not. If they want to be brash, they simply come to your house and shout "who is there!" and everybody would take to his heels!
What a turn of events, because we are experimenting with babel!  

I can't say you're wrong about how things were or weren't before the war and after, but I don't see it as clear that the change was because of the war, rather than because of the deterioration of Nigeria and Nigeria's failure to develop.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=629055.msg7967474#msg7967474 date=1300863023]Hrm. Well, Japanese clearly do wrong things, just like everyone else. Maybe less frequently, I dunno. The issue is, if they are CAUGHT, or publicly shamed, they are more inclined to commit suicide. So I don't think this fact (if we accept it as a fact) necessarily means less looting.

More likely to be embarassed after looting? Yes. (Contrast this with Bode George (or most Nigerian crooks) who view getting caught/punished as a witchhunt  )

Less likely to loot? Not clear.[/quote]Well, I would assume the embarrassment is a kind of deterrent. You're right in that it's not clear cut and can't really be demonstrated that avoidance of personal shame or a damaged reputation is the main thing keeping them from engaging in any looting. I guess it's an unprovable assumption on my part. Call it a gut feeling or intuition.

I'd like to see Gbenga Daniel encouraged to commit suicide for his crimes against Ogun State, though. And I'm not joking at all when I say this.

Can't say I disagree.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=629055.msg7967333#msg7967333 date=1300859409]^-- Not completely sold.

High propensity to commit suicide for errors => No looting?

Poor Indian farmers who have borrowed heavily to farm commit suicide after bad harvests. I don't think anyone is saying that India is a corruption or looting-free country, though.


As an aside, the suicide stuff to me is very honorable. Reminds me of those obas of old. . . I wish we would revive that custom in Yorubaland.[/quote]Yeah, you're right in that the claim seems tenuous. I really think the low amount of poor people is the main thing. But I can't imagine people who would commit suicide for mistakes or failure or other events that reduce their dignity and standing later going around and trying to pick through the remains of someone else's property to see what they can get. I really think personal pride and self-respect is deeply embedded in the culture.

As for the suicide thing, yeah I find it kind of impressive too, but there's no way you could revive it in modern times. In the past, some of the Obas' wives and closest servants committed suicide with them. Even if that was dropped, there's no way it would come back because if an Oba did commit suicide, the community would probably not even understand. They would probably see the act of committing suicide after the disgrace as disgraceful itself, rather than as something naturally following the shame/disgrace. This modern point of view is not necessarily a bad thing, in my opinion.

Big Brother Africa host, IK Osakioduwa did a good job as the MC of the event as he pleaded decorum from the actors who almost strangled ushers sharing the ‘Goodluck Biscuits’ and souvenirs.
Disdain was apparent in the eyes of top-shot celebrities present (the likes of Genevieve Nnaji, Stephaine Okereke, D’banj, Ramsey Naoh, Olu Jacobs, Kanu Nwankwo, Jay Jay Okocha and a very few others) on seeing their colleagues guard cartons of biscuit and Jonathan’s branded T shirt under their arms with their last breathe as they exited the hall.

‘Oh my God, I can’t believe this. Do this people know its biscuit inside that carton? This is a shame’, an A-list comedian tells us

Ridiculous.

Politically:   A mixture of objective analysis and ethnic and sectarian sentiments. Emotions and personal feelings sometimes come into play in discussions of politics with Nigerians.

Religiously: Too religious. Too reliant on religion. Nigerians take religion, whether traditional, Christian, or Muslim, very seriously.

Globally: Well informed on some areas other areas of the world, but on average somewhat less informed about other countries outside of Africa than the average Westerner (except for those that travel or go abroad). On the flip side, they probably know far more about African countries than the average Westerner.

Technologically: Not as technologically inclined as we should be if Nigeria hopes to one day industrialize or have a scientific culture. Some Nigerians I've met still actually think of certain technologies (robotics, for one example) as areas that only Westerners and Asians can excel in. I also think the electricity situation in the country shows that the average Nigerian can't really be that technologically inclined, unfortunately.

Socially: More people seem to be out for themselves than the community at large than might have been the case in the past. In general, however, I think the average Nigerian does want what's best not only for his/her self, but also for their neighbors and countrymen. In non-commercial areas, Nigerians are also friendly and trusting (from my experiences visiting back home).

Economically: Some groups are prudent or industrious and very economical in their thinking, especially with regard to social advancement, and some groups aren't and don't seem to be thinking economics, considering the way they live their lives. Different groups within the country have different tendencies here.