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madness. . .

https://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3039/picturetakenin1897ofthe.jpg

1897 picture of palace interior and carved ivory tusks.

Cocoa was apparently extremely profitable at one point and then far less profitable soon after. A kind of "cocoa boom."


For more on derivation, finances and the three (and later, four) regions, see: http://www.jstor.org/stable/159671  (A very revealing article that I came across.)

There are a lot of quotables in that article that would rubbish some common assumptions and misconceptions on this forum.

Alj Uche:
chiekna

rofl

Rossikk:
Look, this is a serious issue, and it goes to the heart of our moral bankruptcy as a people. The sad thing is that listening to this guru, nothing he is saying there will be strange to a seasoned babalawo or dibia. But for some reason or the other they just seem to have evolved a transferable, accessible body of knowledge readily available on Youtube and even in bookshops, while we in Africa are virtually left to preen an item of wisdom from here, and another from there, from the elders, or the odd, reclusive traditional priest, with the very idea of expansive spiritual/philosophical ''gurus'' now almost completely alien!!

But we know it wasn't like that in the past. We know that in the past there were respected, titled men one could approach for life's insights. The old spiritual masters, Buddha, Krishna, and co were all Africans! Learned African priests who migrated across the world to spread the ancient knowledge.

Today in Africa, such men are poverty-stricken, lacking in literacy, traduced, spat on, ignored, despised as ''heathen''.  Maybe even condemned as ''demons'' by rabid, uncouth, brain-flummoxed offsprings of an overly christianized, islamized society.

While those of India flourish.

Why does a respected elder need to have a title and be a mystic in order for members of the community to approach him or her for insights on life?

Just chat up one of your uncles.



But seriously, there are African religious books, so I don't really get the point/complaint of this thread.

GEJ is going to win.

I'm pretty sure Oshiomhole will get a second term, though. Same for Fashola, Chime, Amaechi, etc.

I don't remember posting anything about the GDP of the three regions in the 50s, but maybe I did.


I posted something here:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-563542.64.html#msg7294689

that mentions a fiscal imbalance between the three regions in an excerpt from the article "Federalism, Fiscal Centralism and the Realities of Democratisation in Nigeria: The Case of the Niger Delta" by Edlyne E. Anugwom

Onlytruth:
Ezeuche, just ignore PhysicsHMD, he has an agenda here. I really pity being a minority in Nigeria because your worst enemies are your fellow minority tribes. Pathetic.  
He is from Edo and doesn't support his fellow so called SS brother.

What's my agenda? Who are my "worst enemies"? No minority tribe is exploiting or holding back my people so I don't understand your comment.

As for "so-called" SS, you're right about so-called. I was the one that pointed out that the SS was an artificial union of East and West minorities who were strangers, and that the whole scheme probably had nothing to do with the minority groups' own initiatives but probably was orchestrated by a third party for the benefit of the entire country and their own benefit.

As for support, I won't be voting anyways, so it doesn't matter. But if I were, I wouldn't blindly support mediocrity in the name of sectionalism.

Onlytruth:
^^

Whatever, you are free!

For the record, nobody invaded another in Eastern Nigerian history. That ends my debate with you today. BYE.

Actually, the Igbos invaded Ibibioland.

Bye.

The left hand wasn't clean in olden times.


That's all I'll say about that.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: PhysicsMHD
I wouldn't say that if I were you (a western minority) considering their antecedents under the defunct western Nigeria.

Igbo say that a child whose father was killed by a water buffalo never drinks palm wine with a buffalo horn. 

Nah, it was a pretty good comeback though. I think even you should give him a golf clap for that one.


As for the Western region, that's before my time. But I don't recall reading that one part of defunct Western Nigeria invaded and looted another part of defunct Western Nigeria, so they (Western Nigerians) probably aren't as obnoxious as they're usually credited to be.

lol

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=632823.msg8005404#msg8005404 date=1301340483]Agreed; both North and Igbos are too keen on subjugating their neighbors into a nebulous "North" or a nebulous "East." If only they were more like the Yoruba, who learned from the sins they committed in the 1950s and have since repented.[/quote]lol, that was a pretty slick retort.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=633526.msg8005353#msg8005353 date=1301340124]What I wonder is why Nigeria just wasn't formed as three countries.

Why were the British not bold enough to take this step? A federation of three regions seems so inherently unstable to me. . .

Did they purposefully want to see Nigeria fail? Or did they somehow think that the federation would be enough?

It puzzles me.[/quote]They did think a federation would be enough. Splitting up into three was just not an option from their point of view. (At least, that's the way I see it.)

From what I've read, Lugard and other colonialists had a positive view of the north (saw them as basically civilized "Mohammedans" and a negative view of the south, so there was no way they would let their favorites (northerners), who they (the British) had failed to educate or modernize -because the British followed Lugard's dumb policies that let the North continue in a lifestyle little different from their pre-colonial lifestyle - be left landlocked and impoverished.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=633526.msg8005266#msg8005266 date=1301339318]I have no clue what he means then.

And yeah, I've always had the impression that Ashkenazi are "born to rule" in that country.

Switzerland might be a better example, I dunno.

Anyway, his words don't have much value to me. . . diversity in my opinion is a weakness w/o political federalism and a weak federal government.[/quote]Yeah. Countries with one large majority group are far better. Israel's majority is Ashkenazi (to the best of my knowledge), so it's actually a good argument for limiting the amount of diversity in a successful country and having only one main group be the driving force in the country.

Ghana is nearly half Akan, UK is majority English, China is 90%+ Chinese, etc. The examples go on and on.

It's easier for government to move forward when there's a group that's clearly going to be in the driver's seat and when purposeless (as far as development goes) concessions don't have to be made along ethnic/sectional lines.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=633526.msg8005095#msg8005095 date=1301338063]^-- Maybe he means some sort of tribes of Israel, biblical stuff? I don't know.[/quote]Doubtful.

It seemed like he was making a modern reference, given his wording ("Israel’s diversity as a nation has continued to be. . ."


The Ashkenazim/Sephardi divide was a problem at one point and the Ashkenazi claims about the lack of authenticity of the Falasha (Ethiopian Jews) or Beta Israel's claim to Jewishness are a modern problem. The Falasha may not really be Jewish, yet Israel has imported 100,000+ of them into their society and will have to deal with the consequences of having yet another (apparently) non-Jewish population in what is meant to be a Jewish state. Then there is the Arab population in Israel, which I don't even need to go into detail about.

Kudos to the lady. Hope she gets a job.

ideylaff:

na him  make OBJ look up North,

He has always bn dia, boy ever since the days of Saurdana,  Pesin wey know say Yar Adua no dey strong and still he gee am Pawa

Check your records anytime Political Pawa

lol

jason123:
“Our diversity should be our source of strength just as Israel’s diversity as a nation has continued to be its source of strength.

Bad comparison, honestly.

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https://www.forafricanart.com/assets/images/Frank%20Eagar/BRONBENI63502/BeninPalaceWallPlaqueB.jpg

https://www.forafricanart.com/assets/images/Frank%20Eagar/BRONBENI63502/BeninPalaceWallPlaqueC.jpg

Benin Bronze Palace Wall Plaque
Ethnic Group: Edo People
Country: Benin Kingdom, Nigeria
Material: Bronze
Size:
Circa: 16th Century
Status: Private Collection, USA
Depiction: 3 Court Gong Players

"AWREOMO. The sign of this river is an earthenware pot of water. At its source, not far from the town of OKHI, this river is called AKE, the axe. As a "juju" this power AKE is represented by lumps of earth, ant-hills, bits of pot, stones and chalk, which are covered by a slanting roof of bark called OKUKU. There is a large "juju house" at IDUNGENA, near Benin City. It is a building of sun-dried mud, in the form of a hollow square, with lean-tos from the top of each wall forming cloisters. Over the doorway a long bamboo, with a basket cup-like arrangement at the top, hangs like a barber's pole. This has been called OYISA, Esu, and UKHURE by different people I have asked to name it.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/mind/img/21-003.jpg

AKE. Pieces of bark supported at one end by two sticks forming a kind of lean-to shed, under which are found a pot of water, bananas, and yams. Generally found at the foot of trees with various chalk marks in front of them. (See other note.)"

- At the Back of the Black Man's Mind, by Richard Edward Dennett, [1906]