₦airaland Forum

lol, it looks like he's about to sit down, but he could actually be bowing . Maybe that's a custom/cultural thing.

Does it (Awny) mean "eternal" or "unchanging" by any chance? Just a guess.

bittyend: In 2002, Nigeria had probably a handful of alpha jets, non-existent Navy, and the army had old tanks lol. I don't know how you want to go to war with a French semi-colony with that. All your crusty Alpha Jets would be shot down within a day and then what? Your NNS Aradu would be destroyed and your Corvettes blown off by exocets missiles - and then what?

Well I didn't want to hear any "probably"s. I just wanted the figures and stats.

If this is about France, then I agree, Nigeria would not want to get into a conflict with France, but what I've read about the Cameroonian military makes me doubt that it was anything to write home about. I don't think it makes sense for the Nigerian government to have had an actual fear of Cameroon's military itself.


Anyway, what's all this about "stealing" oil from Sao Tome and Equatorial Guinea?

bittyend: Nigerian army back then was ill-equipped, and Cameroon would've smashed them and their alpha jets lol. I know they've got some new hardware, and maybe pull something off right now - but in 2002, there was no way they would've defeated Cameroon.

I doubt this. Why don't you just post the statistics for each country's military in 2002?

bittyend: How many Nigerian soldiers were killed during the little confrontation they had in the 90s?

I don't know. I read where it was claimed that 50 were killed in multiple clashes, while the Cameroonian side didn't claim how many of their own were killed. But I doubt that Nigeria was the aggressor in any of these clashes - they would just be seen as a big bully if they sent out a real force to attack the Cameroonian soldiers.

I didn't deny that Ethiopia was strong in the past.

But on your claim about being humiliated, if Nigeria was so scared then, then why were they willing to send soldiers to the Cameroonian border all those previous times under Buhari, IBB, Abacha, etc? The claim that they were scared of Cameroon's military capability just doesn't make much sense to me.


edit: The only other factor I can think of is the military capability of the French. Maybe that would be relevant.

bittyend: Al Shabaab war isn't Ethiopia's war - that's America's war, but America just tried to use Ethiopia to fight its battle, after it was disgraced and chased out of Somalia. And Ethiopian army achieved alot of success in Ethiopia before, they pulled out of the country. Kenya is in-charge now.

Eritrea is militarily stronger than Taliban, and if America + NATO are having a problem with Taliban, then you can't fault Ethiopia against Eritrea.

Nigeria avoided a confrontation with little Cameroon lol. So, Nigerians should be talking when other people are talking.

So you think the government of Nigeria should employ the same kind of tactics against Boko haram that Ethiopia employed against al Shabaab?

Nigeria avoided a confrontation with Cameroon because the president at that time was a stooge to the West. It wasn't about military capability.

Anyway, I'm still not convinced about some kind of huge disparity in military capabilities between Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Nigeria. All three are probably nothing special.

TerryCarr: peace agreements does not count as a loss and Eritrea got their independence from a vote

Ethiopia tried to make Eritrea a province of Ethiopia and lost. I was referring to the first war.

bittyend: And how did Nigeria fare against Boko Haram and MEND? Eritea is a strong country as well, and they've the luxury of sea access.

Even America with all its advance weapons still can't defeat bow and arrow using Taliban in Afghanistan lol.

I'm not sure this is a reasonable comparison. But anyways, has Ethiopia defeated al Shabaab? No.


And I'm not sure I buy the argument about Eritrea really being a militarily strong country. Maybe you should have said "relatively strong" compared to some others in the region.

The Tuareg will just revolt again after the uprising is quelled. They've revolted multiple times before now, so just give them a country in the desert already.

Mali should split like Nigeria should split. Just get all the leaders at a table and draw up the territories of the new nations.

Anyone know why they put an offshore oil rig on the 500 naira note?

Just wondering.

souldust: i heard the logo of the national assembly is to be at the reverse side. If that is true, then i think its a wrong decision. Why not the benin bronze head instead. Why the national assembly whose property is already on the two naira coin and whose members are all 'rogues and thieves'

There was already a Naira note with a Benin ivory mask on it.

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http://www.baudelet.net/monnaies/naira-nigeria.htm

bittyend: Nigeria can't compete with Ethiopia - and Ethiopia would whoop Nigeria in a conventional war. Don't let me start talking about their military hardware lol!!

Read more, and find out why Nigeria is just a paper giant!!!

Yeah, Nigeria's military is probably nothing special, but if Ethiopia couldn't defeat Eritrea, then how much better is their modern army really? They were strong in the past, but now. . .not so much.

Shollypopz: Are u same as PhysicsQED??
If yes, Boo tell him!
Educate d ignoramus! lol

Yeah, the other account is just for when the spambot wrongly bans me.

Allen E. Brown - a New Jersey love-vendor who died last winter. RIP. His hairstyle provided me with ten minutes of uninterrupted laughter when I first came across his story and for that, I thank him:

https://media.nj.com/hudsoncountynow_impact/photo/love-vendor-princejpg-4d9e2e96c62df79f_large.jpg

https://www.whatwouldthembido.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/pimpinainteasy1.jpg

https://media.nj.com/jersey-journal/photo/8573205-standard.jpg

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A colorful Jersey City love-vendor known for his outrageous hair styles and "Prince" moniker died in prison Thursday while serving an 18-year sentence he began in May 2010, officials said today.

On Dec. 5, Allen "Prince" Brown, 50, was transferred to the hospice unit at South Woods State Prison in Bridgeton and days before his death he was moved to an area hospital where he succumbed to illness at 2:41 a.m. Thursday, New Jersey Department of Corrections spokesman Matt Schuman said.

The resident of Jersey City's Society Hill development drove exotic sports cars, lured women and girls to Jersey City with promises of "the good life" and then forced them into prostitution, state prosecutors alleged.

On April 1, 2010, Brown admitted in court that he used violence and drugs to control women and girls -- some as young as 17 -- and force them to engage in prostitution.

If the prostitutes did not make the daily quota -- $500 for a weeknight and $1,000 on weekend nights -- they were refused drugs, beaten or denied entry into the house until the money was made.

The charges resulted from "Operation Red Light," an investigation by the Division of Criminal Justice Gangs & Organized Crime Bureau and the Jersey City Police Department.

Four other defendants in the case, including Brown's mother, pleaded guilty.

Brown became an Internet sensation after The Jersey Journal posted his photo on Hudson County Now and readers responded to his wild and intricate hair style.

"I'm a love-vendor, so let's just say I like to look good," Brown told The Jersey Journal in a jailhouse interview videotaped after his May 19, 2010, sentencing. "Most people are intrigued by my lifestyle. I'm something like a dark knight. It's a secret society that we live in that's rarely exposed to square workers."

But Brown told The Jersey Journal he never used violence.

"They needed to sit down and talk to someone who would totally understand them -- let them know that even though they were in this life, there would be better days ahead with me," Brown said of his prostitutes. "They had the right to choose if they wanted to be with me or be with some gorilla love-vendor that was probably busting their heads open."

Brown, who suffered from cancer, said he wanted to try his hand at being a preacher when he finished his sentence.

A funeral service for Brown will be held tomorrow at noon at Jackson Funeral Home in Jersey City.

Editor's note: This story has been edited to include that Brown suffered from cancer.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2011/12/jersey_citys_prince_the_pimp_d.html


More details on Mr. Brown:

"Jersey City Society Hill love-vendor is sentenced to 18 years in prison
Published: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 12:11 PM Updated: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 6:19 PM

Society Hill love-vendor Allen E. Brown got a little testy in court this morning and was sentenced to 18 years in prison by Judge Kevin Callahan in Hudson County Superior Court in Jersey City.

Brown, aka Prince, was shocked at the length of the sentence. "18 years?" Brown blurted out in court when Callahan announced the sentence.

"This will take you to your 60th birthday until you see the light of day" said Callahan. "The facts of this case are horrendous. They are vast."

Brown, 48, who authorities say operating the ring out of a home on Lyon Avenue in the upscale development on the Hackensack River, was sentenced to 10 years for racketeering and eight years for extortion.

When Brown first walked into the courtroom he said to his lawyer, Adam Reisman, "I'm tired of your bulls---." His hair was styled exquisitely, with wavy strands curled on his forehead and a long thin ponytail hanging over his shoulders.

Even before he was sentenced Brown told the judge he didn't understand how much time he faced. His attorney told the judge Brown refused to go over the sentencing materials with him.

Callhan said he was concerned because in Brown's written statement Brown seemed to back away from some of the admissions he made when he pleaded guilty in early April. Callahan sent the defense lawyer and Brown out to discuss the matter and when they returned Brown said he stood by his plea hearing admissions.

At the plea hearing Brown, who admitted he ran a human trafficking and prostitution ring, was told he faced from 12 to 20 years in prison.

Authorities say he enslaved women and girls, some as young at 17, and forced them to turn tricks on the streets. He even turned some into drug addicts, authorities say. Authorities say the woman were forced to earn $500 on weeknights and $1,000 on weekend nights, or else they were denied entry back into the house, were denied drugs or were beaten.

Assistant Attorney General, Annmarie Taggert said Brown extorted a $600,000 inheritance from a woman who turned over the money because the woman feared for her and her niece's lives. Taggert added that one woman who refused become a prostitute was handcuffed to a bed and forced to take heroin until she became addicted.

Brown's mother, Tecora Brown, and his sister, Veronica, attended the sentencing. Tecora Brown pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution and is not expected to be given prison time. Authorities say the Lyon Avenue home belonged to Tecora Brown.

"It's all lies, " Veronica Brown said after the sentencing. She said her brother was trying to help the women who were already drug-addicted prostitutes. Brown said that her brother bought one of the women a computer and that woman now works at a hospital in South Jersey.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/05/jersey_city_society_hill_pimp_1.html

I don't know about 4,000 (who was counting?), but yeah they were into sacrifice.

I'm not quite sure what motivated the sacrifice aspect of their society, although it's something I've also thought about.

DivideUs: dem don do Dubai already nah, what else is new?

Seriously?

PAGAN 9JA:
well-documented histories or a load of rubbish written in a book without any proof?

lol, not all of it is "rubbish" though you do have a point about the many exaggerations and unbelievable elements in some of the biblical stories. The basic storyline of the journey of the Jewish people given in there is (probably) basically historically accurate and some of it has been backed by archaeological discoveries.

Ptolomeus: I'm sorry to disappoint you dear friend.
Recent archaeological studies show that David, Solomon, Abraham and Noah were Uruguayan.
What's more, Jesus himself would have been born in the department of Tacuarembó (Uruguay), and there is evidence of his journey from there to the Middle East.
Solomon, meanwhile, would have been born in Montevideo (Uruguay) and the principal of his brothel was in the port area.
Nothing that is not available in an updated library.
My respects.

This is crazy. Next we'll hear about Nigerian armed robbers in the U.S. and U.K.

lol, yeah but doesn't that adage mean that the Oba owns all the land up until you reach the white man's lands? Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but I didn't think it was about owning oyibo land.

I can't agree with jantavanta's approach though. When people see the representations of Europeans in Benin art or other African art, they could make the same kind of mistaken claims about those African kingdoms and whites (and they certainly have before) that jantavanta is making about Europe and black people. Art has to be interpreted in context and I think he's misinterpreting things.

Kgdavid: with regards to the training of the nigerian police i really cannot tell but let us be reasonable. the south sudanese and their international partners have absolutely no reason to play the sycophant to nigeria by unduly praising our police force. the ironic thing is that by casting a blanket of doubt over the entire nigeria police force you indirectly cast a blanket of doubt over the capabilities of all nigerians. you see the Nigerian police are recruited from all deivisions and walks of life in nigeria yet you say carelessly that the police force is inherently inept. yes our police are known for being corrupt and professionally lousy relative to other police forces but then arent their conditions inept and professionally lousy relative to those of other police forces? the fact that they are not being motivated to achieve excellence does not mean they are incapable of it. nigeria without police would be hell.

This sounds like one of the most reasonable comments in this thread.

jantavanta,

You've now moved from North African Romans or occasional paintings of black people by European artists to the old European fad of crests/heralds with black faces. The origin of those faces is not 100% clear (but unlikely to be what you think it is), but has it occurred to you that contemporary images of both Europeans and the Moors (some of which were actually black) from back then actually exist?

http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html



Another more serious problem I have with the way you interpret images is this: if you want to argue that the relatively few representations of black people in older European art or as artistic puns (puns on the word "Moor" or "Negri" and other similar European last names referring to darkness) in European crests/heralds is indicative of black rulership, how would you interpret representations of whites in black art (such as that of Benin or Kongo)? Some whites were used to represent trade wealth in Benin art, but if people were to follow your line of thinking, they would represent something entirely contrary to what the written, archaeological, and other artistic evidence says and people would completely misinterpret the art.

killayut: Because it has not been written by any one from any big tribe does not mean it did not happen. No one has ever written the relationship between my fore parents and Europeans But It happened. Go to Calabar and ask about Calabar history to know every thing about Calabar. One day an Efik person would pick interest and publish the history of Calabar that covers such events and whne that happens many people would doubt asking the same question you just asked.

1. I am not from a "big tribe."

2. The claim is about a European, so get the European source if you can't get a precolonial Nigerian source. Or was Diego Sam an illiterate?

3. I did not say it necessarily didn't happen or that someone called or at least remembered as Diego Sam didn't exist. What bothers me is that an exact date (1493) was given, as if it was so certain he visited at that date or there was a specific non-modern source for that date. There are other instances of a non-African visitor being remembered in tradition by an African group, but usually we just read about it being "in the reign of this or that king," or "around the time of this event" not such an exact date. Anyway, there is, on the surface, no reason to not believe that one Portuguese sailor visited Calabar in the late 15th century, since they were starting to visit a lot of places in Africa around that time. But the issue is accepting that specific date.

I don't think this thread makes much sense.