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Knegoyon: https://www.innsofcourt.org/Images/page/uploaded/Pegasus2011_Ongiri_Wig_WEB.jpg

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Terrible.

What a joke. He should find something productive to do with his last years since he wasted the rest. And astrology ? Any university offering degrees in astrology is a clown college.

So we should wait for people who are mentally sick and brainwashed to diagnose themselves? Smh

Some people are just hopelessly lost and deluded.

Ndipe: Calling for the abandonment of wearing a wig, on grounds of its colonial origin is tantamount to double standard. Why not abstain from foreign products altogether? Be a radical and adopt a stance, instead of focusing on petty issues like wearing a wig.

Isolation from mainstream technology and trade is one of the reasons colonization happened in the first place so this is a silly thing to advocate unless you want to be colonized again in 300 years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/17/world/nairobi-journal-a-ticklish-issue-colonial-era-wigs.html

How come every time this nonsense is criticized, some brainless oaf says something like "it carries dignity"?

They seem incapable of immediately grasping why it looks foolish .

shymmex: Why do you have problems with ancient kemet?? Are they not black??

They're our ancestors... We didn't just fall from the sky into modern day Nigeria - we all migrated from somewhere - and Nubia/Kemet seems to be the only place we could've migrated from...

That's not the point. Looking to Egypt for something that happened right in your backyard makes little sense.

@OP, the simplest explanation for what you stated in your opening post is that some ethnic groups in Nigeria are related and therefore share certain genes.

dayorx: As usual we are quick to condemn what we have got. i think whether or not lawyers retain their wig and gown is a matter for them to decide. i am a lawyer and i think it is prestigious.however some lawyers choose to look scruffy in the attire, i think they r just dirty people because a right thinking person would not wear a dirty gown to court....whether or not we wear the attire it does not change the fact that our laws and our entire criminal justice system needs to be overhauled..
just like when the police uniform was changed it still did not stop them from collecting N20 on our roads

-1000

Complete garbage.

bb16: I disagree, I would love to see the uniform retained. It's prestigious.

Screw your opinion. It's a disgrace.

igbo2011: They are doig as their Egypitan ancestors

[img]http://www.site-ology.com/egypt/KING_115.GIF[/img]

https://www.maranausd.org/images/pages/N3017/tomb.JPG

Why do people always have to drag Egyptians into every thing ?

There were Africans that wore wigs besides Egyptians and there were some in Nigeria.
But these blond/platinum blond straight hair wig wearing fools in the picture posted by the OP are
clowns and they aren't continuing any African tradition so don't even try to defend them.

There's more information on it in the second post on this page:

http://afrikafriend.4bb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1344&p=2

An Esan guy came up with a writing system in which different sounds are represented by different colors in the 90s, unless it actually existed among the Esan earlier than that. Although I like the creativity behind the idea, I don't think it's something that could ever be practical.

I found images of it on this website.


http://zheulcore./category/writing-systems/

Once again, although I don't think its use for simple and effective communication is feasible, I like the spirit of the idea and the idea that cultural creativity should continue even after colonization. We shouldn't shy away from proposing new or unique ideas.

I'll have to bow out of this thread and get some sleep. Later, guys.

Arosa: Why do you think that Yorubas have other titles like alaafin, ooni and Olu?

The word for king in Igala is onu, but the king of the Igala is called Attah , meaning father. That's an example of the same thing among a neighboring ethnic group.

shymmex: He's just being ignorant, and I doubt Jason123 is Itsekiri - he's from his alter ego, Alh_harem's tribe (all tribes in Nigeria).

No sane person will ever accept the Oba of Benin's story - it has more to do with politics than the real history... If Ibini begot Oyo, then Oyo must have been a badazz not to pay tributaries to Ibini. History showed us that, it was the other way round.

Oba of ibini's assertion is the same as the Awujale's assertion that: 'Ijebus are not Yorubas' - pure fallacies..

The Oba of Benin's story doesn't achieve an aim of placing his throne on a higher position or in a more important place in a hierarchy than others though - if that were ever even an aim/intention. So I don't see how it can be read as indicating who pays tribute to who.

Beaf: @PhysicsQED and Arosa
If Oba is purely the kings title, then you might be pained to find its true origins. I very much doubt that it has a meaning in Yoruba either.
The answer to the question might lie with someone who has deep knowledge of either ancient spoken Bini or ancient spoken Yoruba.

With these titles one can usually find a root meaning that explains it though.

In the case of Edo you have ogie which means prominent/exalted/honored and it comes to designate a chief, acquiring a second important meaning.

In the case of Oba for Yoruba the root meaning is possibly father or it's something similar to the case above.

Arosa: I understand what you mean, But even if the word Oba is a Yoruba one, I think Eweka was the first Oba, cos oranmiyan did not have a son before eweka. or am I wrong?

I think there were Yoruba kings that would have been called Oba before then though.

Willzkid: @Beaf, I believe Oghene is a also name of God in Edo dialect, though no longer of common use ...You should have heard Benin names like Ore[b]oghene[/b] (A street off TV road in Benin bears that name) and Aiwere[b]oghene[/b]...I believe the latter literally means you cannot agitate God.

"God" and "Lord" seem almost interchangeable, in my opinion.

And that street seems to have been named after a past Oba of Benin.

Arosa: Not to me, do you know of any Oba that predates Eweka1

For linguistic reasons it's safe to assume it's Yoruba. That's my view although I can't make you agree. What I found strange is that the word for a chain like object or pattern in Edo is oba but with the o pronounced different from the o in Oba meaning king. At most I think oba would mean a chain like marking or pattern in Edo if the o is pronounced different.

shymmex: [s][/s]

Why can't learn to shut the heck up, and keep Yoruba out of your mouth?? Oba of Ibini's story is the most ridiculous story EVER!!

Oyo empire was far superior, and bigger than Ibini empire.. Ibini don't even stand a chance!!

Oduduwa NEVER came from from Ibini!!

Maybe, you should focus of who you're as an Itsekiri guy - rather than poking your nose into Yoruba history..

Your Itsekiri people are mostly Ijebus by the way!!

If his people are your people and they are Yoruba as you've said numerous times, then why can't he poke around? I think you're confusing yourself.

jason123: Thanks for the reply. Okay, forget the olokun stuff. What about the rest? "Iyoba"? What does it mean in Bini? Even the Olokun, what does it mean in Bini?
With my little Yoruba, I can tell that Iyoba means mother of the king and Olokun mean owner or dweller of the ocean. These are the literal meanings in Yoruba. Can I know the literal meaning in Bini?

The only word for ocean in Edo is okun. Remember the Bini are not by the sea but their neighbors are.

Arosa: Plus the first Oba in the entire Benin/Yoruba history is Oba Eweka the first. Before him there was nobody with the title OBA.

I don't think so. It seems pretty clear that it's Yoruba.

Jason, at best the Oba of Benin's remains might have been buried in Ife as Egharevba wrote in his revised editions of his book, if at all. All of this "head" stuff betrays a kind of cluelessness about the very institution about which the claim is being made.

"Iyoba " is "Iye Oba", literally the Oba's mother. Edo borrowings from Yoruba religion, I'm not sure I see the significance of that in relation to what you're asking. Are you saying the direction of the flow of certain ideas (possibly at a later time) is necessarily some kind of proof of a specific event? The Binis probably got their "ikegobo" from the Esan who almost certainly got it from the Igbo "ikenga" so we can't always assume direct transmission of an idea from the source (Igbo) to its recipient (Bini). Some of these names you mentioned I see as probably gotten from Ilaje (who the Edo called Ilaze), Owo (Ogho), Akure, etc., but you see it as coming directly from one place.

Oba not Ogiso - that was already explained in the Oba of Benin's account. I honestly think Ooni is a version of Oghene (since the Yoruba at Ife drop the "gh " sound from words) which is itself an Edo title meaning Lord. I think all these etymologies that try to make Ooni mean slave or sacrificial victim might be out of confusion over why the title isn't just Oni, and I think the reason the Edo of the past had never heard of an Ooni but had mentioned Oghene numerous times is because the title actually was Oghene originally . My 2 cents on the matter.

Arosa: When the Europeans came to Benin, in one of the descriptions they gave of Benin, they said they saw a mini pyramid with a snake on it. I am going to google it, to see if I can find the image.

They were describing one of the turrets/towers of the roof of the palace that had a pyramidal kind of shape. Using pyramidal shapes is not exclusive to or somehow indicative of Egypianness.

Arosa: The edo and Egyptian link,

God, Benin call their God Osa; There is an Egyptian God/pharaoh called Osiris

See the similarity between the Oba crown and Osiris crown.

You can't be serious.

The Edo are not any kind of Egyptian and the culture is not Egyptian.

shymmex: Can you back this up with academic proofs?? As far I know, there is no Ibini influence on the Ijebu culture - but there's Ijebu influence on Ibini culture (through the Itsekiris).

See pp. 178-181 of Benin: Kings and Rituals
See pp. 299-305 of Royal Art of Benin: the Perls Collection
See pp. 117-120 and p. 241 of Yoruba: Nine Centuries of Art and Thought


None of these books are written by the much castigated "Ibinis".

shymmex: I also think Ibini history is overrated!! How can you conquer Eko - yet went through Ijebu land, but never deem it right to conquer us along the way??..

And who says they didn't ?

There are books that have been written about this stuff you know. Books by Yoruba historians and oyibos too rather than the "Ibinis ". You can find out for yourself.

Beaf: Dude, I still find it difficult to forgive you for telling that story against me. There is no pain worse than the pain felt when falsely accused

I did go overboard in my accusations (of full blown ethnic bigotry) and should have just said that I didn't think the comment was appropriate, even if the guy you were arguing with was bigoted himself. I take back my accusation though.