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coogar: overused quote? see her mouth like overuse. where have you ever seen the quote before to brand it overuse? her throne was thrusted upon her - she didn't campaign to be elected so she didn't go off her own speech.

however, she described you as hateful, heathen and a disgusting human being: the $64,000 question is - why are you so hateful?

Its called turning the tables

When u use the same points they advocate against them... they start insultin

Some of them have started disclaiming abortion part of feminism yet forget mandatory child support is a result of this same movement

Hilarious lot

[quote author=BABE!]When I say women are overly emotionally beings, they call me a man.

No one has been able to give a logical reason to why abortion is "bad".[/quote]

EnlightenedSoul: Actually pickabeau, it was all the above!

Medical abortion was never an issue
Read up on Roe... she was told to lie she was raped so she can abort legally

Abortion for abortions sake was the hallmark of Roe v Wade

On your points... the discourse was on a self professing feminist calling abortion murder.. that was contradictory..

cococandy: Like it or not,it involves sentiments
That much is real.

is a woman atached to blood clots..... nah
Prochoicers call it blood clots..
No sentiment there

finis

My dear.. u r bringing sentiment into this matter

According to the prochoicers..The thing is not a person but clumps of blood

Go n read up.. medical abortion or abortion of r@pe was not the issue... it was that right to abort at will
EnlightenedSoul can school u

I wonder why all the sentiment...

cococandy: Funny.
Pro choice is not about the dispensability of the foetus.
There are good reasons why a woman may want to abort.
R@pe
Incest
Health risks
Deformed foetus
Etc etc. Pro choice means that for any of these reasons,a woman reserves that right to terminate the pregnancy if she so wishes.
You see there just two sides and no inbetween.pro lifers can't say 'I'm pro life but... If any of the above should occur,then the woman may consider termination. That's one foot here and the other foot there.
Pro life should mean under no circumstance can abortion be considered.

I admit that the pro choice stand is subject to abuse. That's people having abortions just because they can. But then almost everything is subject to abuse.

Either ways it's always a huge loss for any woman who's had an abortion. It shouldn't be made light of

ok... no worries...

EnlightenedSoul: Yes, but that is beside the point. The fact is, it wasn't a feminist movement to begin with, and when the feminists came around they were concerned with the right to exercise it.

The suitable period of abortion was discussed at the medical level, and was decreed to occur within the first trimester. There was no feminist opinion on whether or not abortion was murder. That argument is a matter of personal opinion, hence the pro-life and pro-choice opinions are rampant, even among feminists.

Pro-choice in essence gives you a choice. If one believes abortion is murder, that is her choice not to partake in it. If she doesn't, she has the right to it, and it is her choice. It it no way conflicts with being a feminist.

I will not tolerate such language or proverbs again...

good night to u too

bukatyne

cococandy: I'm even more about the emotional aspect of it.

there is nothing to fear
According to abortion advocate those clump of cells are just like a small clot of blood ...
Nothin to it.. snip snip

You say u r prochoice...u should know this

Lets see how it goes

coogar: it was in 1978 - won by argentina!
there's a trend here which i am sure you are aware of. european teams don't do well out there.

Yet she later tried to overturn it

I will give u wiki links as this discussion is becominh hydra headed
She was supported by female activists?
They used her and dumped her
She was a means to an end

She regrets her role in this matter

In 1969, at the age of 21, while working low-paying jobs and living with her father, McCorvey became pregnant a third time. She returned to Dallas, where friends advised her to assert falsely that she had been raped, as she would then be eligible to obtain a legal abortion (with the understanding that Texas's pro-life laws allowed abortion in the cases of rape and incest). Due to lack of police evidence or documentation, the scheme was not successful and McCorvey would later admit the situation was a fabrication.[11][12] She attempted to obtain an illegal abortion, but the respective clinics had been closed down by authorities.
Eventually, McCorvey was referred to attorneys Linda Coffee and Sarah Weddington,[13][14] who were looking for pregnant women that were seeking an abortion. Whenever she told the lawyers that she was a lesbian, they were disappointed, so she also lied and told them that she was raped. She signed the papers, and thus began Roe v. Wade. The case took three years of trials to reach the United States Supreme Court, and Norma never attended even one trial. In the meantime, McCorvey had given birth to the baby in question, who was eventually adopted.[3]
McCorvey revealed herself to the press as being "Jane Roe" soon after the decision's issuance and stated that she sought an abortion because she was unemployable and greatly depressed.[15] In the 1980s, McCorvey asserted that she had been the "pawn" of two young and ambitious lawyers (Weddington and Coffee) who were looking for a plaintiff with whom they could challenge the Texas state law prohibiting abortion.[16]

In February 2005, McCorvey petitioned the Supreme Court to overturn the 1973 decision with McCorvey v. Hill, arguing that the case should be heard once again in light of evidence that the procedure harms women, but the petition was denied.
On January 22, 2008, McCorvey endorsed Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul. McCorvey stated, "I support Ron Paul for president because we share the same goal, that of overturning Roe v. Wade. He has never wavered on the issue of being pro-life and has a voting record to prove it. He understands the importance of civil liberties for all, including the unborn."[22]
McCorvey is still active in pro-life demonstrations including one she participated in before President Barack Obama's commencement address to the graduates of the Catholic University of Notre Dame. The decision to have Obama speak at the university on May 17, 2009, was met with controversy because of the conflict between his views on abortion and those of the Catholic Church. She was arrested on the first day of U.S. Senate hearings for the confirmation to the Supreme Court of the United States of Sonia Sotomayor after she and another protester started yelling during the opening statement of Senator Al Franken (D-Minn.).[23]

Norma_McCorvey on wikipedia (Roe)

EnlightenedSoul: Roe vs. Wade? You think this was started by the feminist movement, eh?

Prior to Roe vs Wade abortion was outright illegal in every state, but two ( New York, and some other state, I forget). Roe sought only to reform the Abortion laws at first, but didn't settle until it was repealed. She based her arguments on medical health, and her right to privacy.

Roe constantly reasoned from the stance of medical science, and the nation's doctors who'd come to view the illegal "black market" abortions nationwide as a public health risk in need of urgent address ended up coming to support it. Public health activists and doctors played an important role, and at first neither women nor fetuses featured prominently in Roe vs. Wade as the medical standpoint was discussed.

It wasn't until much later that women's groups addressed the subject of my earlier posts, and introduced the angle of their right to control their own bodies and lives; to have their voices and decisions treated with respect; and to participate as equals in private and public life.

cococandy: Even though I'm pro choice,I do not think abortion is something that should be seen as common place and neither should a man proffer it as a solution to a lady he impregnated if that's not what she wants.
It's a huge decision and one she has to make because she wants to and not because the man wants her to.

According to planned parenthood... you have nothing to fear

How Safe Are In-Clinic Abortion Procedures?
Safety is an important and common concern for women. In-clinic abortion procedures are very safe. But there are risks with any medical procedure. The risks increase the longer you are pregnant. They also increase if you have sedation or general anesthesia. Possible risks include

- an allergic reaction
- blood clots in the uterus
- incomplete abortion — part of the pregnancy is left inside the uterus
- failure to end the pregnancy
- infection
- injury to the cervix or other organs
- undetected ectopic pregnancy
- very heavy bleeding


Most often, these complications are simple to treat with medicine or other treatments.
Even though in-clinic abortion procedures are generally very safe, in extremely rare cases, serious complications may be fatal. To understand this risk, it may help to compare it to the risk of childbirth:
The risk of death from childbirth is 11 times greater than the risk of death from an abortion procedure during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy.
After 20 weeks, the risk of death from childbirth and abortion are about the same.
Overall, the risk of death from abortion increases the longer a woman has been pregnant.
Serious complications may have warning signs. Call your health care provider right away if you have
very heavy bleeding — if you pass clots larger than a lemon or soak through more than two maxi pads an hour, for two hours or more in a row
severe pain or discomfort that is not helped by medication, rest, a hot water bottle, or a heating pad
chills and a fever of 100.4°F or higher after the day of the procedure
nausea, vomiting, and/or diarrhe that lasts more than 24 hours
an unpleasant, smelly discharge from your vagina
signs that you are still pregnant

- See more at: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-info/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures/#sthash.0UT1l9aC.dpuf

That was in the 50s or so bro
Let see how it goes...

I also want an all American final .. mind u

coogar: just like bosnia were supposed to have beaten nigeria or england were supposed to have beaten uruguay. football is on the pitch, not on betting sites. i like your use of the word "potential"

let me remind you that at this stage in 2010, uruguay were the only south american team in the semis. in 2006, no south american team made the semis. in short, it's fair to say the last time 2 south american teams made the semis was also the last time a south american team hosted it.

coincidence?

[quote author=Okiki_Oluwa]You don't know that ephedrine reacted badly on Pepe & Suarez. That's why they behave abnormal atimes.
Last Bullet
Maradona was caught in 1994. That damaged his career.[/quote]

coogar: it's very wide!
there's no in-between. the european teams left had to abandon their football ethos to stay in the tournament. the humidity in the south american continent is not favourable to the european players........

Yet we potentially have 2 europeans in the semis

While i hope for a braxil v argentina final the odds of an european final is high


odds According to Infostrada

Brazil v Germany : 59% to 41% (very tight)

Holland vs Costa : 76% to 24%

Argentina vs Holland: : 59% to 41% (very tight)

Brazil vs Argentina: : 55% to 45%


As you can see the odds are also high on an all European final

bad guy//but that child may be your saving grace

pro01: Oga, my methods would never fail me, so I can't even bring myself to hypothesize about such an utterly objectionable eventuality. Sorry o

Then again, in the context of Nigeria, I don't think any court can "force" any man to pay child support. Even where a court makes such a pronouncement, its implementation would almost always never happen. We'll only have to depend on the scruples, goodwill, and 'paternal instinct' of this your hypothetical man (not me o) to contribute to his (illegitimate) child's wellbeing.

coogar: so you are saying because brazilians now play in europe, they would be affected by the extreme temperature & the humidity in south america like their european counterparts?

You miss the point... im saying that factor is not as powerful as it used to be
With water breaks, good stamina also by the european teams.. the gap is not as wide again

If u dont have strengh.. dont curse

Anyone u talk... na back to sender

U can never make objective points without insulting

on top forum matter na to dey call people mad...

Make clean clear comments without proverbs that have double meaning

bukatyne

egopersonified: Guy meets girl, have sex, girl gets pregnant, guy asks girl to abort, girl refuses, therefore guy not liable for the child. Ok oh, what if d guy contacts HIV frm d girl, I hope he will abort it from his system, mtcheeeeeew.

Buka.. using uncomplimentary language to prove points runs counter to your dogma of religion here
Why refer to people as mad
I was the one who posted amber rose and she is a beautiful woman..im entitled to post it

remember cursing is not a prerogative of anyone

bukatyne: They want all women to be like amber rose and the half naked girls in the pictures

And yet if they see any of their relatives like this, na wahala be that!

#Were dun wo, o se bi lomo

A mad person is sweet to watch but cannot be had as a child

[quote author=fresh_dude]Pre-tournament I had Brazil vs Germany. But now we've seen matched had to add Holland to the mix. I'd pick any of Holland and Germany to win based on performance but Brazil on sentiments. [/quote]Germany was in Brazil's pot except they came 2nd which is nigh impossible


@coogar that assertion only worked in the 50 - 70s when most players were still based in their continents
Noww the brazilians are even more european than most
Messi almost never played in Argentina thats why he called Estranger

In Brazil.. Neymar was coaxed to stay back as long as possible

Its almost all European teams playing

ok...

are u saying Roe v Wade was about abotion of r@pe product..

Hmmmm.....

EnlightenedSoul: You're not understanding.
I'm not side-stepping. That isn't a feminist argument.

Everyone has their own opinion, including feminists which is why you'll find varying ideas on the topic. The issue of abortion rights initially came about to challenge the notion that a women need carry a raaapist's child and raise it if she cannot or does not want to.

Feminism is about the RIGHT. The ideas behind that right are the person's own.

ok.. fair enough

I wanted to know this but did not want to discusson the atheist thread

cococandy: I can't pretend to have answers when I don't.


I identify with christainitybecause?

I was born into it and raised in it:.

Even though most people would like to say otherwise, many practise religions they were born into and have been convinced is true.
Maybe if I was born a muslim I'd be seeing christains as infidels too.
Says much about humans and our need to feel better than others doesn't it?

Second I'm VERY big on love and tolerance and kindness and forgiveness. Jesus' teachings endorse such. If I was born into a religion that's not big on those,I'd maybe have sought succour elsewhere.
So I'm here because it preaches what my soul finds peace in.

Lovely post...


Just as i said earlier that train left the station long ago

We have sown the wind.. we have to reap d whirlwind

datalossvictim1: Ha!! When did children become chocolates that you might want or not want them You are dealing with a human life here. Extra caution needs to be taken by both male and female partners when it comes to sexual intercourse. Pregnancies occur for different reasons. If a pregnancy resulted from the carelessness of both parties then both parties would have to take full responsibility for that child. Abortion would be highly frowned upon in this circumstance. In another instance, if the pregnancy resulted from the woman's carelessness then It can be understandable if the man refuses to care for the child.

However this is not to excuse the notion being upheld by the op. Refusing to support your child simply because you didn't want it is totally selfish and not religious especially if we take Nigeria as a case study. I am very certain proponents and opponents of the ops assertion are Christians. I don't want to become biased or judgemental but you cannot go to your house of worship and scream and then come to the corner and ask for abortion. In fact the question of why were you having sex in the first place would be asked.

Let us move away from the religious perspective. It is morally wrong to exclaim abortion simply because you took precautionary steps. A society that functions under such principles might be damaging itself. As humans, we should be able to protect ourselves and to encourage human life. A human error should not be corrected by simply killing another potential human. Some have argued that life begins at conception. So this means that you are not just killing a foetus but an actual human being. Therefore the man advocating an abortion for his unborn child is simply a murderer.

It is also interesting to note that there is no contraception that offers 100% proof. The highest is 99 and that one percent matters a lot.

To finish my epistle, a man should be willing to help his child regardless of the circumstances that brought about the child. The only ridiculousness would be when the woman requests for an exorbitant amount of child support.

EnlightenedSoul: Feminism is about rights. Feminism supports the RIGHT to abort, it doesn't shove that right down your throat.

It's a choice.

Thats not the question.. smartly sidestepped
So is abortion murder or not
What was the rationale for the turning point from abortion as murder to what it is now....

Eshe pupo... they have no choice than to be chopping my money

Stay blessed

Idowuogbo: Family and work dey, we thank God.

My iyawo and aburo(s) nko? I hope you are spoiling them with the overload wey dey account ooo

[quote author=fresh_dude]I predicted Brazil vs Germany/Holland[/quote]Pre tournament or based onthe event of the last few days

naijababe: The Dutch are winning this tourney

They have a good chance

My predicted final pre tounament was Brazil v Argentina

damiso: Who do you think owns this World Cup?

Hubby thinks Germany I think Brazil( he thinks Brazil is crap and they have lost neymar) but I just think they will fumble and wobble to to the final.But this Argentina team that is playing now is giving me second thoughts.

Well my heart Brazil..i think they will beat Germany
My head.. Argentina or Holland

damiso: Stop posting indecency and open your own eye candy thread

I have stopped posting for now except on request

[quote author=BABE!]I appreciate the feminists that actually fought for women rights; the basic rights.

It's very easy for these salty, clueless and lazy females to use feminism as a platform to air their büllshït.

Salty females; the ones that got jilted by a man, or the ones that had an absentee father/ serial cheat father. The men eaters.

Clueless females; the ones that think the word "feminist" sounds cool, so why not join the movement. It makes them sound intellectual.

Lazy females; the ones that think men owe them something; or they're entitled to gold and silver because they have a vaägina.



You'll see that every present day feminist you know fits into one or more of these categories.[/quote]Youve killed it..
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[quote author=fresh_dude]Exactly, thank you.[/quote]Nice one bro

dhammyg: pickabeau how was i being uncouth.i only said the truth.in most of ur posts u always talk about feminists its like u are addicted to them

You cant even begin to comprehend what the truth is
Its beyond ur reasoning capacity at this point which is why u find such an insultive statement funny
What is more pathetic is that u actually think u are being sensible

EnlightenedSoul: And yet, nothing but half-baked analogies So much idle side conversations on carnival pics, an inexplicable fascination for Amber Rose, and the downplay of oppression in mocking tones.

It boggles the mind

welcome to the family section

You really are new here

Sophyrocks: And when on earth did i EVER identify myself as one? Are you sure its not of your usual insecurities that erupted simply because i had a different view from yours, that made you jump into conclusion that i am a feminist? You think i got time going back and forth with you? I dnt know how lorettaU does it. I aint got time for that. I keep telling you this over and over again.

Ok.. no need to shout... u r not a feminist... no problem then... i assumed you were...
Then ur position is just from conscience.. no problem,
Let me call cococandy then

naijababe: .

Ma'am... na sooooo....the hybrid feminists we have nowadays fluidly moving choosing and dropping as it suits them
The next step in the puzzle is to start using insults


As you can see this is one of the clowns

dhammyg: xx_xxx

Woman you can make your point without being crass and uncouth
You still have a long way to go in life leaping into discourse for which you are starkly unqualified to learn from not to talk of contributing