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cococandy:
Who is the author of the bible?
I don't know Moses, Paul, Matthew, ring-a-bell?

Well do you believe a Christian should follow the bible verbatim?
Yes No? (No ambiguous rigmarole answers)

If yes, so you would sanction violence and rape against non Christains?
If No, why the heck are you arguing with me?

If you believe those you mentioned are the authors of the bible
No need for further debate

I only picked that point to correct the error

The bible while written by men was inspired by the Spirit
It is the word of God and anyone who removes or adds to it causes a grievous sin

Read the bible with understanding rather than focusing on the letter

I would not sanction violence
The Bible States that all souls are His and he wants not the destruction of anyone

cococandy:
As I am one of those fake feminists who got married and is a Christian.

I will get my full license when I decide to quit being married, quit being a Christian and start hating on men regardless of if such a man is good or bad.

Then the board that certifies true feminists founded and headed by pickabeau and babe will give me my license

Ha ha..

We've been through this..coco
You are a pick and choose feminist

You believe in bride price, not a fan of homosexuality and transgender rights

You just picked up some stuff online Like many here and chant it.

Shollypopzz:
What discourse?? Was I have a discussion with you? Is there only one argument going on in this thread?? What "aggro"?? Are you deflecting??

I funny it funny when an illogical person tell me to be logical. The irony of it all

"So to you accepting a man as her head in marriage is a choice the woman makes and she can revoke it as she wills?"

Isn't it funny that the person that knows nothing about feminism is the one telling others who is areal and a fake feminist??
Yes, she has to make that choice. The choice will not be made for her because of her gender, it is hers to make.

"What exactly is situational"??

It is an individual headship!

Woman...calm down and follow d discourse
Nobody is talking about feminism..that horse has bolted

We are talking here of the ideology viz a viz headship in marriage
Christians believe the man is the head of the family
You are saying its a choice which is dependent on circumstances?

Right?

cococandy:
For me I don't think that's a problem really.
If I didn't pick what part of the bible to follow, I would be enemies with my non Christian neighbor because some part of the Old Testament prescribes killing them, looting their towns and raping their women for insulting the most high God.
That is why for me as Christian, my guide is the word out of Jesus' mouth himself.
I can't be naive or pretentious enough to say that I believe the humanness of other authors of the bible couldn't have gotten in the way of their message.

So how many Christians would really do what the bible says word for word?
I wouldn't want to be near such a person.

Because while Christ's message of love is eternal and can never be outdated no matter the setting in which we find ourselves(since very human being responds to love in a positive way)
The prevailing culture and practices at the time which undeniably colored the POVs of some of the writers have no place in the world of today.

Anyone who thinks I'm not a true Christian for saying this can go to his non-Christian neighbor's house and kill him for not being a follower or deny such a person job opportunity because the bible says we should not associate with non-christains.
Or Kill a self-confessed witch because the bible says we should not suffer a witch to live.

Then he or she can come back on NL and tell us how Christianly it felt to follow such biblical teaching verbatim.
A true follower of Christ will NEVER do word for word all that the bible teaches.

Needless to say Christ is not the author of the bible.

So who is the author of the bible?

Casting aspersions on the authority of the Bible now....

BABE3:
And that's a problem bukatyne. If you want to find the truth you have to be open minded. You can't seek truth with a biased mind.

That's a problem with most religious folks. They're too stuck in their religious way to ask questions. And even when they ask questions, they're scared of a "wrong" answer.

You have to break shït down to build. You have to break your biased foundation (with Christianity) to truly learn.

You can't wrap your mind around God being sexist so even if you're presented with the truth, you'll find ways to make it false. Coz your scared your whole belief system (everything you know about God) could be a lie.


I didn't mean to get all preachy. it had to be said.

Succinct

Shollypopzz:
Who are you to define what a real or a fake feminist is? Is this the new thing?? Who died and made y'all Judge Judy for feminism??

The point of feminism is to give women the ability to make their own choices. A feminist does not stop being a feminist if she chooses that her husband be her head/head her home. As long as it was a choice she made........

BTW, a lot of other feminists might see her as lukewarm, but her feminist card is not revoked.

Haha

All this aggro of yours adds no value to the discourse
Make your point logically


So to you accepting a man as her head in marriage is a choice the woman makes and she can revoke it as she wills?

So its a dynamic and situational headship?

What will I not hear on NL?

Ovaiegbe:
You are so wrong and this white guy is so right. Elections were fairer? If you believe that you will believe anything.

Dude

You r a noon

If u have been following elections in this country.. You will know what I meant

And also to boot...fairer connotes a degree not an absolute word

Fairer.. Duh

LOL

Cc: MizMyColi

Vickybee:
Who then told you two men or women can't keep a family?.

BTW, Family isn't bedrock of any society but procreation.

So a two man or woman family is a natural and sustainable family model?
OK..no problem

cococandy:
And A true feminist is who? According to who?
(Don't bother answering)

that's where we disagree.
You give feminism your own definition because you want us to believe it has nothing to do with female empowerment/equality for reasons best known to you. And such reasons lack facts and reeks of sensationalism. No need restating them.

(It smacks of an underhanded attempt to sabotage the progress women have made over the years against oppressive cultures.
#my opinion.)

I could be wrong. Maybe your agenda is not to sabotage female social progress. maybe you're truly afraid some people out there are out to rob men of their manhood. (the sensationalism and conspiracy theorist things I'm talking about)

As always we get to the point where we don't agree and have to part ways so that you can concentrate on work and I on whatever it is I am doing right now.

Ciao

Hahaha

So you genuinely believe that the feminist question does not include male headship even after your sojourn to the West

Haha..epic


Social progress cannot be unmade
However male female dynamics still exist
I'm surprised everything I've said about the domestic arena still flies over your head

cococandy:
Yes the family is the bedrock of any society.

Too bad if you feel women empowerment destroys your idea of a family.
It doesn't destroy my idea of a family and many people who I know that share such POV.

That's why it is a conspiracy theory.

Now you are leaping

No one ever said female empowerment destroys family

What I have said is simple
That is the message everyone else has been saying

A True Feminist will not recognize male headship in her marriage - that is if she even bothers to marry at all

coogar:
equal opportunity between men.
women were always in the back seat. how come Jesus never hand picked a female as one of his disciples? was there a scarcity of righteous women?



Jesus was very ok with the status quo. the things he hated, He spoke about them with vigour & sometimes with violence. he scattered the main temple in jerusalem when he saw people trading there......Jesus wasn't tongue-tied. there was never a time he tasked the sadducees to review the rights of women. He was happy with the fact that women were covered from head to feet!



they blame apostle paul & timothy for those scriptures. i have heard someone telling me paul would be in hell cos he was a misogynist.

Ahhhh.. where is Shirley07
Damn that chick hates paul
LOL

lezz:
lol, her truth-absorber is awfully thin.
your words were sharpened by facts and truth; it cut her deep.

LOL

cococandy:
conspiracy theorist.

why do u think its a conspiracy theory

Im sure you know the family is the bedrock of any community and a dysfunctional family has effects that are perverse

BluIvy:
You could be right their laxity on issues of importance to the masses would suggest that. If not they should be up and running around like headless chickens.

Politics is a sick game that all countries especially African countries get caught up into by voting the most hideous persons as presidents. I hope all Africa learns and understand what an office of the president means one day.

Glad you agree

lezz:
It is very deep and worrisome. This is actually satan's first attempt at usurping authority and giving power to women. His short term goal is to distrupt the family unit. When wives become insurbodinate to their husbands, children lose all sense of discipline and the family unit breaks down.

The long term goal is to distrupt human society and promote no sense of hierrarchy, loyalty, authority and order. So he seeks the financial and economic empowerment of women to make them independent of thier husbands amd the children follow eventually.

It is why feminist loby for control and not equality. they wamt to occupy the top and at the same time deny the representation of the lower spectrum of society where men alsp dominate.

It has been observed that most teen pregnancy occurs in single mother -daughter relationship.

also when a wife disrespects the husband, the children also disrespect her leading into the chaos and breakdown of the family unit which eventually spills into the larger society.

Simple script

Destroy the home.. Destroy the nation

cococandy:
At the risk of being redundant and saying something that must have been said a million time over again,
Feminists do not care and are not concerned about who's wearing the pant in another's relationship.
Making it about domestic squabbles very much belittles the whole ideology in my opinion.
And that is because with or without feminism, because humans aren't the same and temperaments differ, you will always have couples where the male is the passive partner or the female is the aggressive partner even when she claims to be non-feminist.

And as much as you really say
The domestic arena is actually the genesis of the issue and that is why it always goes there

In the US as you know, sharing of domestic duties especially where the female is working is still on the front burner
Decisions on whether to keep a child or abort emanate from the home
Decisions on a woman to stay at home or enter the workforce are real issues - home issues

Saying that feminism is divorced of the domestic arena is actually not seeing the full picture

The fact you say you say it over and over does not make it less of an issue.

bukatyne:
My post you quoted was What I learnt.

In your post?
I saw nothing of the sort
If you don't want to explain,,, no need to speak cryptically

Interesting

These attacks will subside and continue

They seem to be a means of the elites to ensure the anger of the people don't focus on them

morpheus24:
You wish I was so you can justify my anger huh!

Sorry to burst your bubble, I am no where near your country and will never live in a society that is boiling and about to implode with bent up hatred and anger still festering in their veins.

If you want to know as I have mentioned a gazillion times on Nairaland, I was in your country on volunteer work right before the attacks broke out in 2008. I saw first hand what you people are capable of doing. I wiped the brows of bloodied children and women crying. I passed food and clothing to foreign nationals who's properties were destroyed and taken away. I watched the faces of bewildered children who could not grasp what was going on in that some of them even spoke the dialects of locals.

That unfortunately has left an indelible impression on me and I continued to warn even on Nairaland for years that these actions would repeat themselves.

I have been proven right?

HaroldFinch:
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Thanks for pointing that out I was confused. I suppose. My point is, his criticism is partly correct to push us to work.

Yes I agree at times ennui can set in as per advocacy because of no seeming progress

However consistently keeping it on the table ensures it is not forgotten

This should not happen in modern times

200+ girls abducted without any recourse

BlackLeopard:
I'm merely saying requests to be left alone are personal and to call a decision of another about their well being histrionic is undeserved. As simple as that.

Dude.... as I said the same statement could have been made without throwing hissy fits
Drop it

BlackLeopard:
Actually nawh, I'm my own disappointed mouthpiece the obvious isn't obvious.
There was no schooling, just discussion we're all free to do as we deem fit.

Speaking cryptically at times does not necessarily bestow intelligence on posts

BABE3:
Gen 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
It's either there two different versions of the creation story (genesis 1 and genesis 2) OR Moses was high and half asleep when he was writing genesis.
The help that was talking about wasn't even eve, it was was animals. He created animals before eve.

The verses are consistent
Man and woman had been created
However man was manifested phsycially first

Go to Gen 1vs 26 - 31

v 26 Let us make man in our image, after our likeness and let them have dominion

v 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

That was the creation

Gen 2.7
vs 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul


That was the physical manifestation

Women were manifested in verse 21

HaroldFinch:
I think he's right. I wonder what the military drones have been looking for all this while, if there are any at all or why the military is not even close to giving us any information. But I don't agree we should stop the talking as well. This issue is one that needs to be repeated, we can chose to forget corruption cases once the hype is gone, but please let's keep asking them to #bringbackourgirls

You agree tweeting is ineffective yet think we should not stop talking

BlackLeopard:
Politely stated boundaries aren't drama and histrionics, miss/ma'am.

Are u her appointed mouthpiece

Have u finished your schooling on bestiality vs consent vs moralcy(sic!)

Ow KAY

blackjack21:
he is twitting too. It's IRONIC.

17:07:02
Tue, Apr 14, 2015

Tweeting to start a campaign about the ineffectiveness of twitter campaigns

RICH

BABE3:
can you address the 12 MALE disciple situation? why Mathew and Markk? Why not a Vickybee and Bukatyne?

and you do realize the creation of woman was an afterthought? "It's not cool for a man to be alone, let's make someome that looks like him out of his rib".


I know it's hard for a modern day Christian to accept the fact that God and jesus are sexist. So you try your best possible to manipulate and twist facts until you're comfortable with your lies.

The hierarchy in the bible from genesis to revelation is
--MAN
--woman
-- animals

The creation was not an afterthought

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1. 28

The manifestation of woman in physical form came after though

Dyt:
Nature
U can't cheat that

Jumping up and screaming
Beau beau is going bald

bukatyne:
The Jesus I know in the Bible is not sexist neither is God or the Holy Spirit.

It is either of three things:

A man is superior to a woman
A man is equal to a woman
A man is inferior to a woman.

I have not read anywhere in the Bible God designed a man to be superior to a woman and there is a difference between the customs and what God wants.

I thought God was sexist until I learned to dig deeper.

Can you share what you learned?
What does headship mean in marriage Christian wise

Dyt:
U hope?
I sense u already getting there?
Can I see a picture of ur head?

lol..... nope

its just a prayer as you never know how life can turn out

Crap

Tweeting stuff ensures the message never dies

Example the guy who was abducted by SSS some years back.. he would have died if not for the social media campaign

Elections were fairer due to consistent social media outreach

Continue the campaign please

Dyt:
Very attractive
Am day dreaming already
*I am weird in my own way jor*

not weird.. just human

I hope I don't get bald sha

Dyt:

you think baldness is attractive?

Dyt:
Are u a bald man?

nope..

Dyt:
Oya wiggle for me

Guys don't wiggle
My behind is not brighter than my future

My irawo is ever before me shining