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@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim

Call my attention when you finish deceiving yourself.

Please stop sounding like a broken record - it has become stale from overuse and only further confirms you're empty and have nothing tangible to offer.

babs787:
You posted wrong thing in the wrong thread, asking for Gen 2 v 15 in a thread where I never posted that

Did I assert that you posted any issues about Genesis in this thread? My statement was that simple that even a toddler could not have missed it.

babs787:
If you did not claim, why were you asking for that in a thread I never raised such/ Abi your eyes don see double

For the simple reason that after you have bloated and gloated on a scholarship you obviously do not have, you kept ducking this thread - and that's why I hinted you to prod you here and face up with your duplicity.

babs787:
Here you are again with your physical death and please can you show me where God told them that it would be spiritual death because he said they would die that same day?

Three issues I have presented to you as pointers to help you understand clearly why it could not be referring to PHYSICAL death:

  (a) death in the Bible is defined in several ways, and not just one.

  (b) in its CONTEXTS with other verses, the verse you quoted point to spiritual death,
      and not physical death.

  (c) to help the reader understand this, I also offered God's PROPHETIC remedy in
      Genesis 3 v 15 to show that He was referring to a time beyond Adam's day!

When you put these things together, you find that the Bible does not throw words carelessly as Muslims carelessly read their Qur'an. Each concept is clearly defined CONTEXTUALLY, and if anyone misses the context, the only end up with pretexts which they read into the texts - as you did in trying to read a CURSE for Eve where there was none (because you tore the verse out of its context).

babs787:
Can I have where God said it was a spiritual death?

The explanations are already given - nor did I say that God SAID verbetim that it was spiritual death. He did not say it was PHYSICAL death either - but when you dig deep, you come to understand simply that the "day" in question was not referring to a literal interpretation that is to be taken out of its context.

If the game you're trying to play here is that you're looking for a verse where God said this and that (as you did in the case of your assertion of the Qur'an coming to "correct" the Biblical scriptures), then understand that my statements did not make a claim that you're trying to force into it.

babs787:
My dear Sister, why did God pronounce judgement on Eve?

My dear babs787, I am waiting for your rebuttal to what I have offered first before jumping to another issue. This hyperventilating of Muslims who have nothing to say in discussing an issue where they make claims that cannot be substantiated is not exactly what will score you any cheap glory here, babs.

You made a claim that God CURSED Eve - please deal with that fallacy before ducking away from it!

You pretend to be smart, but not smart enough to sneak away from this issue.

babs787:
So what did God do to eve then if it is not a curse because it her eating that fruit brought that statement from God?

Please find me where God ever CURSED Eve. I beg you - find me that verse.

As for those who came under the CURSE of God for what they did, I have offered you clear verses for them. I expect you to find me a verse where God CURSED Eve. Thank you.

babs787:
Why was the statement made after the incident and what does it look like?

The statement was made AFTER the incident - and not before it. A righteous God does not punish people for sins they haven't commited. Does that sound like a CURSE to you, babs787?

babs787:
You seemed very fast at answering the question on Adam and Eve though you goofed in your explanation but never tried to answer earlier questions.

Please stop crying and demonstrate where I goofed. If I offered that clear pointers that God never placed a CURSE on Eve, where is that a "goof" and yet you could not offer an alternative to demostrate your case?

babs787:
That is Pilgrim, playing her game of dishonesty

Dishonesty is simply the Islamic games of making claims that you cannot substantiate. I am not a Muslim making such claims - so keep playing them and proving that is your forte.

@topic,

This seems to be an interesting thread - just by the topic on its own. While I'm not seeking to create an atmosphere on what has been previously posted, perhaps we might spend a few more entries to encourage one another on spending time on spiritual things.

Man is not a composite of body alone. If the spiritual part of man is left unattended with proper spiritual food, the quality of life lived by such a man becomes less than what God had intended for him.

Subsequent posts welcome.

Have you been to the first page?

babs787:
@pilgrim.1


When you are ready and want to know more about christianity, answer these questions


And you should know that:

Being frantic already, are you? My response is still the same:


[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=103159.msg1822868#msg1822868 date=1199541516]@babs787,

When you learn to drop your hypocrisy, you will face up to intelligence that Muslims only wish for. Trying to play games and expecting me to keep chasing your Islamic ducking every now and then is not going to glorify Islam.

You drop your hypocrisy, then we can enter into a discourse.[/quote]

oziomatv:
why are we (blacks) not existing at all?

Oh, we do exist. The problem in many quarters is that many people (whatever the race) simply do not know what to do with their existence.

babs787:
@dafidixone


I saw you post just hence my replying you late. Dont mind that yeye Maradona, those questions seem too hard for her and she knows the truth deep down her heart.

So pal, im me privately so we talk, pilgrim is just feiging ignorance.

You don belleful? After all your hypocritical games for the cause of Islam, is that all you can offer? I hear.

babs787:
I have beginning and will surely die one day.

Let me remind you:

Die EXCEPT as a Muslim.

Good to know that even you do not wish to die as a Muslim!

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Let me know when you finish deceiving youself

I am wishing you happy Hijrah in advance

@babs787,

I have never deceived myself - that is why I have severally asked you to desist from the Islamic hypocrisy you have pandered all along. Whenever you give up that fancy, let us know.

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

For you please:

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=103223.msg1822851#msg1822851 date=1199541179]@babs787,

Are you ready to stop pretending your Islamic hypocrisies?[/quote]

@olabowale,

olabowale:
In Islam, the whole Muslim ummah is a single body. When one part is sick, the whole body feel seek and feel the pain.

Sorry, with 72 parts (sects), the whole body must be seriously sick indeed!

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

It seems you are not ready for me but when you are ready call on me for explanation to John 1 v 1.

You may ask any Jehovah Witness for the Greek meaning of the word I asked you and when you are through, call on me to provide further explanation on that.

Your trinity has been nailed to the wall.

When you learn to drop your hypocrisy, you will face up to intelligence that Muslims only wish for. Trying to play games and expecting me to keep chasing your Islamic ducking every now and then is not going to glorify Islam.

You drop your hypocrisy, then we can enter into a discourse.

That is what I have decided to do. All the shakara and hide-and-seek they have been playing all thise while is not worth the sands of the Arabian road. Such a shame that Muslims cannot face up genuinely to a simple discuorse - and yet they claim to be very 'scientific'.

Enjoy o jare - and the Lord be with you.

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Straight forward response

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=103476.msg1822652#msg1822652 date=1199537704]Did you offer anything in Genesis 2 v 15 this morning you did NOT?[/quote]

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Are you ready to answer the questions?

@babs787,

Are you ready to stop pretending your Islamic hypocrisies?

babs787:
@pilgrim

I want it posted here so that it will aid us in knowing if really the Quran came to confirm and correct the bible.

Please go to the first page and stop your Islamic hypocrisy. I took time to walk you through the meaning and I'm not a Muslim who recycles material and litter pages everywhere you guys pretend that you're struggling with English. This is really shameful and you should really have to go back and upgrade on your intelligence.

If you cannot visit the first page, stop pretending that you no longer understand English - because even that excuse is not going to deflect this thread in any way.

Accusing me with your noise does not help to cover up your adventures of LYING for 'Allah' and not being able to smart up for it.

My response is still the same:
[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=102474.msg1822728#msg1822728 date=1199539044]As soon as you give up the hypocrisy of deminading answers from other when you NEVER seek to genuinely answer simple questions.[/quote]

Bo. . . let me get busy and leave these slow footed soldiers to sneak in and post whatever gibberish comes to their heads. Including the one playing hide and seek and claiming that he is busy (or 'Allah is restraining me')!

Cheers everyone o jare!

@babs787,

You asked me to go over to the thread where you pretended to have answered the question I offered you. WHY are you pretending you have lost all sense of purpose and now trying to act like you just woke up from a bad dream?

@babs787,

Please cease from these childish games of asking questions that are obviously staring you in the face. As long as you keep pretending you are lost and no longer have a clue, that is how many times I will simply let you be chasing your belloy-botton.

Well, I applaud your efforts.

However, look again at what you have stated:

toluxa1:
It says run to the Mountain[b]s[/b]. Where is the Mountain[b]s[/b]? Thats Jesus. Flee to Jesus. He says I am the rock of ages

Mountain[b]s[/b] (in plural) is not the same thing as Jesus. By that assumption, we need to acrefully weigh our ideas and understand that it is required of us to carefully place our words to agree with what the Bible teaches.

Cheers.

dafidixone:
I think you need to learn how to make a presentation in a logical manner. Mr.Olabowale. Open your self to knowledge it is power.

Foregone conclusion - he is UNABLE to do what you're asking of him!

@babs787,

Have you finished pretending about not remembering to have posted any issues on Genesis 2 v 15? WHY were you pretending to have partial amnesia?

babs787:
@pilgrim

You will never stop amusing me. I asked you a question but confused yourself and never knew that I never posted Genesis 2 v 15 in another thread.

Did I claim that you posted it in that particular thread? I simply reminded you since you were deliberately ducking this thread, and that was how your confusion started chasing you to pretend that you had a momentary lapse of memory.

babs787:
Now do you think that I can be deceived like you? Far from that. Read the verse again and something will catch your attention which is:

for in the day that you eat of it, you shall die.

What could me as straight forward as this?

Where did God mentioned that they would be put to death (physical death) or where did he mention that they would die PHYSICALLY? That was why I took ti,me to explain the coherence and context of that verse in relation to the PROPHECY in chapter 3 v 15 to show that God was not pointing to physical death.

If you find physical death there rather than a pointer to something far beyond that, please let us know. It will not do to sit smug behind the PC and keep denying issues.

babs787:
Na wa with this your response o.Let me break it down for you. You said that God placed the curse on the ground, please read the verses again:

Please babs787, please. . . stop acting like a clown - Muslims do that all the time.

Genesis 3 v 16-19 is not a CURSE. Biblical exegesis does not throw words just about anyhow (even though you claimed to know the Bible more than others). God pronounced a judgement upon Eve which should be a asign to all generations as a FACT that the account in Genesis is true; but a curse is a different thing!

Of those who were not simply "judged" but cursed, we read the following:

Genesis 3:14 - The serpent
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this,
thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon
thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

Genesis 4:11 - Cain (for mudering his brother)
And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth
to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand.


The Bible does not confuse these issues - and instead of your shakara of knowing the Bible more than anybody, please rest your bloviates and let us hear word! A "curse" was not placed on Eve - go and find the verse where God pronounced a curse on her!

Even you have said this:

babs787:
God punished Eve for eating that fruit and this is the punishment

Genesis 3 v 16-19. To the woman He said:

'i will greatly multiply you pain in childbearing, in pain you shall bring forth children yet your desire shall befor your husband ad he shall rule over you'.

Did that sound like God cursed EVE?

You're forcing yourself to read issues that are non-exietent into the Bible - and for all that, you still arrive at your failure to clearly distinguish them!

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

You offered me question but have you been there to see my last post on same? Why not answer questions rather than avoiding questions. Go to that thread and please when you are through, let me know if something that is 'with' someone can still be that same person.

What answers did you offer to the ONE question I offered you. Instead of trying so hard to force yourself to sound intelligent here, why not simply let readers know that your so-called answers was that you DO NOT know?

babs787:
John 1v 1 will be exposed soon in that thread as we proceed but in order to deflect topic, can you supply me the question you said you have been asking me here?

You know the simple question I asked and have been pretending you no longer understand English. Babs, I offered you that your games will no longer be entertained until you grow up and seek a genuine discourse that is free from the usual Islamic hypocrisy you keep whipping up.

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Can you please answer the questions?

As soon as you give up the hypocrisy of demanding answers from others when you NEVER seek to genuinely answer simple questions.

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

You can see that your game is up with Babs. You have been known to always pretend whenever question seems to hard for you.

Abeg pack yourself one corner and save face. You ahve always wanted to do that - do so and let the thread rest.

babs787:
Babs will spend most of his time in Islaimc thread but mind you, Babs will respond if you try posting any lies against Islam and Muslim because I can see here that most questions are hard for you to reply.

How many lies did you read in my posts? And how has it taken you forever to give up LYING for 'Allah' and putting words in his mouth to make him say what he never said?

babs787:
I leave youto continue deceiving yourself.

Cry all you want, I have not been deceiving anybody by exposing the duplicity of Muslim hypocrisy on Nairaland.

babs787:
@pilgrim.1


Can you please re-post the meaning of confirmation for me?

What is difficult in this simple statement:

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=102400.msg1822455#msg1822455 date=1199533033]Go to the first page[/quote]??

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

In case you missed my last post, this is it again:

Simple question:

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=103476.msg1822652#msg1822652 date=1199537704]Did you offer anything in Genesis 2 v 15 this morning you did NOT?[/quote]

babs787:
@pilgrim.1


Now can you please answer these questions?


What is the Greek word for God in the second statement?
What is the Greek word for God in the last statement?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=103159.msg1822632#msg1822632 date=1199537220]@babs787,

WHY then have you been recycling issues you do not know ANYTHING about, babs787?

You have no clues about what you argue, and then you have the temerity to accuse that the Bible has been altered and changed?

That is why I asked those questions, babs. . . and I am still remaining on just that one premise of not entertaining your games. Since you never seek to genuinely answer questions and all you do is keep DENYING every verse, then you leave me no option that to request that you crawl out of your shell and begin to seek to answer questions.

Until you do so, none of the other questions that you assumed to have prffered wilol be addressed. It is easy to make denials, but not easy to find answers to them.[/quote]

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Let me have where I did that in this very thread.

Did you offer anything in Genesis 2 v 15 this morning you did NOT?

@babs787,

Although I declared that I would not be entertaining your games of ducking issues and NEVER answering questions, for the sake of clarity, let me point something out to you:

babs787:
Now about John 1 v 1:

The verse (John 1:1) in its original Greek Context is written as this:


εν (at) αρχη (first) ην (is/was) ο (the) λογος (reason/intellect) και (and) ο (the) λογος (reason/intellect) ην (is/was) προς (towards/facing/with) τον (the) θεον (god) και (and) θεος (god) ην (is/was) ο (the) λογος (reason/intellect)


so once we translate the whole verse we're basically seeing:

At first is/was the reason/intellect and the reason/intellect is/was towards/facing/with God (ton theon) and god is the reason/intellect.

The problem with that verse in Greek is that we see theos being written as just theos (god/diety) and not as o theos or ton theon, which are proper ways of saying God (or the god). So the part which is written solely on its own as "theos", could be implying just any random diety, of course with ton theon written before in the sentence we automatically assume that we're still talking about the same God. Over all though, logos does not mean word in ancient Greek, and the translation of logos to word is a corrupt modern translation of the meaning for word.


The statement that John reproduced in his gospel however was uttered not by John but by A Philo of Alexandria, years before Jesus or John were born. It is therefore completely unlikely that Philo was even remotely referring to Jesus.


In the verse above, the first time the word God is used, the Greek is "TON THEON", which means "a god". However, the stronger Greek word "HO THEOS" or "O THEOS" which means "Divine God" was used for satan in 2 Corinthians 4:4. The NIV Bible Author wrote "god" for Satan instead of "God", which the word itself literally means The God. The second time the word God is used,", and the word was God," the word for God is also TON THEON, which also means "a god".

Please look again at your argument for TON THEOS. I now you are recycling plagiarized material and this is not your scholarship; but carefully see what your scholar has offered to confuse you with.

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Ok, let us take it this way, I don't know when and who changed it but can you please provide the Greek meaning of God used therein?

WHY then have you been recycling issues you do not know ANYTHING about, babs787?

You have no clues about what you argue, and then you have the temerity to accuse that the Bible has been altered and changed?

That is why I asked those questions, babs. . . and I am still remaining on just that one premise of not entertaining your games. Since you never seek to genuinely answer questions and all you do is keep DENYING every verse, then you leave me no option that to request that you crawl out of your shell and begin to seek to answer questions.

Until you do so, none of the other questions that you assumed to have prffered wilol be addressed. It is easy to make denials, but not easy to find answers to them.

dafidixone:
Olabawole! abi wetin be your name. You be special case in this forum please let Babs decide for himself.

Hahaha. . . I no fit laugh, abeg!