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babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Ok, I am ready for a genuine discussion .


Let me have where you provided that in this thread

Are you so clueless already? Did you provide queries on Genesis 2 v 15 today or not? Abi it is because you plagiarized them that is why you quickly have forgotten already?

dafidixone:
How old are you?

hehehe. . . let him keep chasing his shoe lace!

dafidixone:
Dear ZET please I beg of you be reconcile to God.

Amen!

olabowale:
@Defidixone: Born again to what, disbelieving? Nay, man! You want to be born again, go right ahead. Its your skin that will be burnt to smitterings. Leave the forebearing servants/slaves of Allah the Almighty Creator out of it! When you are dying and your whole live will be in a flash in front of you and you willalso come to realise that Jesus was no more than an apostle of his Creator, Allah the Almighty! But your change of mind will be too late, because the reality is already set and it is firm. Just like the case of Pharaoh, changing his mind to believing that there is a True One God!

Lol. . . another vexed soul just crawled out of his hole to make some more noise without a clue!

@olabowale, whose skin would be burned in what fire?

babs787:
@pilgrim


The questions are hard for you abi? This is a thread for your bible and if you think you have anything for Islam or the Quran, you know you have been doing, create a thread and I will follow you. So your attention is still needed maradnona

Create a thread for that and no deflection please

There are answers if you are genuinely interested in a discussion. But since you have just proven that you are NEVER seeking to engage in a genuine discourse, I have left you a clear pointer to my stance that I would no longer be entertaining your games (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-103159.0.html#msg1822583).

A public Forum is meant for dicsussing issues - that was why I took the time to quickly answer your queries on Genesis 2 v 15 in another thread - just to let you know that there are answers for what you have been recycling.

But only one question I offered to test whether you would answer it genuinely only turned out to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that you simply have no scrupples or moral fiber in all your bloviates.

If you are going to be recycling this brigand Islamic games that Muslims play EVERY single time, you can as well continue to do so and let the forum see the real person that you are!

Cheers.

I knew you would predictably buy time and then come back after so many entries and claim the same thing: "let me have" this and that.

Babs, I just posted a rejoinder in a previous thread that I would no longer be putting up with your dribbling attitude.

I offered you just one question on John 1 v 1 - and instead of proffering straight answers, you ducked it with questions of your own. Is that why you NEVER have anything to say after Islam has been bleached clueless and colourless?

Enjoy the duplicity. The games do not work with me - and you can vex all you want for all I care.

@babs787,

babs787:
What is the Greek word for God in the second statement?
What is the Greek word for God in the last statement?

How have you ANSWERED the single question I offered you:

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=103159.msg1822415#msg1822415 date=1199532317]@babs787,

I have just one question for you:

WHEN and WHO changed John 1:1 right from when it was first penned?[/quote]Like I often say, Muslims who have no clue have never sought to answer questions - and you just proved it here.

Dear babs787, this is the simple proof that you NEVER are interested in a genuine discourse. That is why you NEVER genuinely seek to answer simple questions - and that is why I have stopped entertaining your games UNTIL you grow up and behave!

Whenever you have upgraded your intelligence and dropped your shakara, then you will see what no Muslim scholar has ever told you before. The reason why you keep playing these games is because you have had absolutely nothing to offer the forum but have ben making noise from thread to thread.

- - - - - - - -

Meanwhile, after all the noise that olabowale has made, where is he now?

After all the noise that combatant has made, where is he now?

After asll the noise that Tiptronic has made, where is he now?

After all the noise that luv2talk has made, where is he?

After all the otiose noise that auwal87 has made, where is he?


The next thing you will find them doing is sneak in as mr 1 post and mr 2 posts - and then they disappear as quickly as they sneaked in!

Muslim, una wayo has been exposed o jare. Nothing to keep Islam alive than the same excuses recycled from thread to thread!

Enjoy!

Nothing went wrong with the black race.

babs787:
@Pilgrim.1


Ok, it seems you don't want me to refer to those links, is your bible complete?

My responses remain the same - until you drop your disguised games and demonstrate that you're ready for a genuine discussion.

What happened to the response I offered for your text about Genesis 2 v 15?

I was waiting online all this while to see if you are prepared for a genuine discourse. Since it does not appear so and you're too slow to reason, I will leave you to dream up every denial you can muster - and then I will address them systematically whenever next I might have time online again.

Cherio.

dafidixone:
You will see that Pilgrim1 is always acting under the guide of Holy spirit before answering questions here! It is worth of emulation

Well, my caution has been Proverbs 29 v 20 --

Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

There is no need to be hasty in one's words - lest they celebrate foolishness. I have told olabowale every time to be careful with his hasty words. . . some people never learn until they finally find themselves face to face with the reality of that verse!

dafidixone:
Jihad don start again?

Bowale or what do you call yourself? Were you deported from heaven because of this your attitude?

Please ask am!

@babs787,

babs787:
@Pilgrim.1

I gave you that in order not to waste time with you particularly when you tried denying the incompleteness of the bible.

Thank you. Is that all you can do - or do we continue to see how you're struggling with simple statements in English?

babs787:
Na wa o. You went and brought that thread for me abi . Common, all these days you have been giving me Quranic verses, you have not for one day given me that of Khalifah, hope nothing ?? I am very sure you know who he is and that his Quran is not accepted which signifies unity among muslims unlike you christians accepting many versions contradicting each other.

I have been quoting the Qur'an without running to skeptic sites and plagiarize anybody's material to pretend as my own. You will not find me asking like a toddler "give me the verse from the Qur'an" as you often do and pretend you can no longer understand your own religion.

If you can begin exercising your own intelligence, then we shall read whatever emptiness you store up and have been pretending to wave them in our face.

babs787:
My dear sister, you have no case and if you think you have, bring up the thread and I will follow it up.

Sorry, I don't rush to present any case. Those whose consciences cannot allow them rest until they deny everything in the Bible and LIE for 'Allah' while doing so - those are the very ones who have cases.

babs787:
@pilgrim.1



Will you kindly answer those questions and please if you have anything to contribue or ask with regards to the Quran, kindly create a thread for that and I will follow suit.

Can I have solution to the contradictions in the inspired word of God?

1.
Pilgrim, please
Is it
Toi or Tou?
Joram of Hadoram?
Hadadezer or Hadarezer?



2.
seven hundred or seven thousand men?
forty thousand horsemen or footmen?
Shobach or Shopach?

3.

seven hundred or seven thousand?

My responses are the same - until I see a genuine drama-free response in yours:

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=102474.msg1822407#msg1822407 date=1199532194]@babs787,

There really is no need frantically whipping yourself on this issue. The criteria you offered is what I have highlighted that you should stick to; but since you very quickly saw your deathknell, it is no surprise that you quickly baulked and began predictably dancing away from that same test.

However, if you do care for the accuracy of the Qur'an, I simply want you to lay your own frantic dances aside and focus on the fact that the same Qur'an has been exposed for its historical, scientific, and cultural fallacies. Muslims are always in the habit of ducking behind skeptic websites to ferret quotes to discredit the Bible. No worries - we wish them well and hope they would take a look at what the same skeptics have said about the life of Muhammad and the inconsistencies of the Qur'an.

Because we are not given to such Islamic games, that is why I refrain from reposting them here - especially because I would rather preserve the focal point of the criteria you have proposed in examining what you call 'God's word'.

Does the Qur'an contain the word of 'Allah' alone, or the word of man as well?

That is the simple query here.

Cheers.[/quote]

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

I don't know so you may provide answers to why the cross is an offence. Mind you, this happened to be your post on same:

I am still here to satisfy you . Let me hear from you

As many times as you bring your games forward, my response will be the same:

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=102982.msg1822411#msg1822411 date=1199532244]@babs787,

Have you offered an answer to the simple question I offered as to why the cross is an offence to Muslims?

You keep circling round the same issue when you have nothing to offer. You need not fret yourself and try to sound intelligent where you obviously are struggling with understanding simple issues. If you actually ahve nothing tangible to offer, please pack your worries aside and let others provide answers to the simple questions.

Cheers.[/quote]

@olabowale,

WHERE did the QUR'AN state that it came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures?

After you both are done with your adventures of LYING for 'Allah', please kindly let us know so we can take you to the cleaners and bleach you clueless and colourless.

Next time, think well before you attempt to open your mouth and lie for 'Allah', you hear?

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1


Keep confusing yourself. You are sweating just because you didnt see the verse therein .

I am not the one LYING for 'Allah'. The one who LIED for 'Allah' and said the Qur'an said what it never said is the one who has not found that verse for me. If LYING for 'Allah' is all you can do here, keep up the sweat - and with all thy sweatinbg, find me the verse - or remain with the adventures of putting words into 'Allah's mouth'.

babs787:
Please Did Gid send prophets with different message?

Is that the topic of this thread?

Don't dance with such excuses - just get me the one verse that says the Qur'an came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptutres - that is the topic at hand.

babs787:
If you care to know al the revelation came from one being and you will also see reference being made to Torah in the Gospel because they came from the same person, Creator.

Then find me the verse for what you asserted that the Qur'an came to CORRECT them. I want that verse - Period.

babs787:
What does confirmation mean professor Pilgrim.1?

I knew you pretended not to have seen it. Go to the first page and stop this hypocrisy of no longer understanding English.

You should have looked carefully before attempting to open your mouth anyhow and oput words into the mouth of 'Allah' to make him say what he NEVER said!

If people "come out" of the Churches, where do YOU want them to be - NIGHT CLUBS?

Lol. . . just teasing ya.

Actually, one has to ask serious questions before swallowing everything people like Dr. Harold Camping and his folks are espousing.

Cheers.

@adekennis,

adekennis:
Are you a xtian??
moreover, do you know what is call bible

Lol. . . there's no need to be upset with the posts. Gradually, people reveal themselves for who they truly are!

@babs787,

babs787:
Genesis 2 v 15: the Lord God took the man and put him in the gardenf Eden to till it and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying 'you may freely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, you shall die.


But please why didnt they die after eating that fruit as said by God?


Adam, however persuaded by hi wife Eve, transgressed God's command and ate the forbidden fuit of the tree of knowledge. God cursed them both:

That's quite easy to understand - because for you as a Muslim, you think only in terms of the physical and not in spiritual terms.

To assure you, both Adam and Eve actually "died". HOW? God was not referring to physical death in that text you quote (Genesis 2 v 15). As the context demonstrates in perusing with other verses, it shows clearly that He was referring to the spiritual implications of their actions - spiritual death. In other verses, the prophets have clearly declared that the sould that sinneth, it shall die (e.g., Ezek. 18 v 4, 20); but more often than not, many people assume that "die" and "death" must always be referring to physical death.

Certainly, the Bible enunciates clearly that some who sinned againt God actually were put to death - in whcih case the judgement was referring to physical death (cf. Exo. 31 v 14). However, the prophetic inplications of Genesis 2 v 15 reaches beyond the immediate time and cluse of Adam and Eve when they sinned - and that is why the spiritual consequences were clearly enunciated for us in Genesis 3; and in that same chapter (v 15 again), a prophetic declaration of God's redemption for humanity was proclaimed. The Seed of the Woman was to bruise the head of the serpent - which all the prophets expressed in several ways until it was fulfilled in the Person of Jesus Christ.

To solve your problem here is easy - once you enunciate the difference between physical and spiritual death from a Biblical perspective, then the verses that seem to be your worrires become immediately clear in their context.

babs787:
On account of Adam's sin, human beings are being deprived of sanctity grace and inherit his punishment.

This may seem to present an insurmaountable problem for you; but only if you so desire to keep it that way. Because the Qur'an has no way of delineating the reality of the common cause and experience of sin from Adam to the present day, Muhammad claimed that Satan touches everyone on the day of their birth. Yet, how that touch of Satan should "deprive" humanity of sanctity and grace, that is an issue that Muslims have never bothered to clearly enunciate.

babs787:
As a result of the inherited sin, God now sent Jesus to come and die for a sin committed thousand of years by his great grand parents and we were told that Jesus died on the cross to wash away that sin.

This is the reason why I asked if you are after a discussion or rather hell-bent on deliberately being a coward by misrepresenting issues.

In the first instances, Adam and Eve are not the "great grand parents" of Jesus - Islam does not even teach that ribald idea. If it does, please kindly post the references directly without making any excuses and let us read them simply for ourselves.

However, when you look again at Genesis 3 v 15, we find that the prophetic declaration of God's redemption for humanity was clearly published there.

Does this bother you? Well, in simple terms, a prophecy looks to the future even though it is connected with the past. The sins may have been committed in the PAST; but God promised to bring redemption to all humanity at the set time of His counsels. This is the reason why the same effects of sin from Adam and Eve are beingfelt by everyone today - and whoever has trusted Christ as simply as the Bible states, will find indeed that te prephecies are true! I knew this the very day I trusted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour; and I knew the ddifference God's promises makes in the life of a genuine seeker for His love.

babs787:
If really Jesus died for that sin committed by Adam, the curse placed on them should have been erased but the curse is still hanging despite the fact that Jesus died for that sin. Any explanation to this Pilgrim.1?

You are only repeating the very same issue that have been thrashed - please try not to humour me by pretending you no longer remember the FACT.

However, here's what I have in answer:

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ does not place the Christian under a "curse". God cursed the ground on for Adam's sake - and the reason for this is clearly given: "cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life" (Gen. 3 v 17).

However, prior to the diluvian judgement, we find already that Noah was a man whose parents (particularly his father Lamech) had prophesied that the bring comfort to them concerning the same curse that God had placed on the ground:

"And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us
concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground
which the LORD hath cursed." - [Genesis 5 vs 29]

Did that prophesy come to pass or not? I submit that it definitely did. We read that after the judgement of the flood, this is what happened and then read also the pronouncement that God made about the curse on the ground:

Genesis 8:20-21

And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast,
and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart,
I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake;
for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again
smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Mr babs787, the "curse" you often noise abroad without first checking your assertions are a testimony of the FACT that you often like to recycle borrowed ideas and claim that they are your own! Not to worry, please see above and understand that your worry about a so-called "curse" in the Genesis narratives were also taken care of in that same Genesis.

@babs787,

I honestly had hoped that you would put on your thinking cap and grow up as a man in your rejoinders. Obviously, being disappointed is an understatement - I long should have remembered that nothing intelligent comes from Muslims - unless they plagiarise materials from others and pretend it is their own scholarship.

If you would like to understand the issues you are recycling, take longman83's objective response and comply with them: (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-103223.0.html#msg1814909). If you would rather be playing these games and yet sounding empty as usual, please be my guest.

@babs787,

I have just one question for you:

WHEN and WHO changed John 1:1 right from when it was first penned?

It is not now a matter of DENYING that the verse has always remained as is from the day it was penned. But after you have denied all you want, please provide a sane answer to that question, then we can intelligently examine your claims and rest your worries.

babs787:
@pilgrim.1


You are making me to laugh here . You are even aware of Khalifa's Quran and if you think that you were to acquirte additional knowledge on that, please create a thread for that but you should know that the poster raised a question on the completion of the bible. So is it complete or not?





@olu4life @ pilgrim.1

Go to these link and challenge me to all I posted there on incompleteness of the bible


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.32.html

@babs787,

If you have anything fresh to present, do so. Recycling topics in hope of keep Islam alive is actually killing it.

Your worries have been settled in this thread: (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52589.0.html#msg1101068)

Enjoy.

@babs787,

babs787:
Again, let me have why Islam is so virulent against the cross and when you provide your explanations, we will both into the origin of the cross, if it was used by early christians and whether it was brought into christianity by pagans or not

Have you offered an answer to the simple question I offered as to why the cross is an offence to Muslims?

You keep circling round the same issue when you have nothing to offer. You need not fret yourself and try to sound intelligent where you obviously are struggling with understanding simple issues. If you actually ahve nothing tangible to offer, please pack your worries aside and let others provide answers to the simple questions.

Cheers.

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

. . .

seven hundred or seven thousand men?
forty thousand horsemen or footmen?
Shobach or Shopach

@babs787,

There really is no need frantically whipping yourself on this issue. The criteria you offered is what I have highlighted that you should stick to; but since you very quickly saw your deathknell, it is no surprise that you quickly baulked and began predictably dancing away from that same test.

However, if you do care for the accuracy of the Qur'an, I simply want you to lay your own frantic dances aside and focus on the fact that the same Qur'an has been exposed for its historical, scientific, and cultural fallacies. Muslims are always in the habit of ducking behind skeptic websites to ferret quotes to discredit the Bible. No worries - we wish them well and hope they would take a look at what the same skeptics have said about the life of Muhammad and the inconsistencies of the Qur'an.

Because we are not given to such Islamic games, that is why I refrain from reposting them here - especially because I would rather preserve the focal point of the criteria you have proposed in examining what you call 'God's word'.

Does the Qur'an contain the word of 'Allah' alone, or the word of man as well?

That is the simple query here.

Cheers.

@dimpules,

dimpules:
@ pilgrim. he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Muslims by design do not believe in that quote; nor am I here to cast stone at anyone. Truth be told, it is high time we all stop this boot-licking compromise and face up squarely with issues that affect everyone.

Well, 2008 has already landed - and we are 5 days into it already.

I hope that you can gather your strengths together, pool your resources and consolidate on the gains of the previous year. At least, you began by "planning" - a wise thing to do. If one doesn't set goals, then there's nothing to reach for as a target.

Partner with those who will challenge you to reach your goals this year. Let me be one of those friends - I promise not to be such a pain in the neck; but trust me to always check on you and provoke you to good works.

We will be on the watch out as the year progresses. . . and as you reel in the testimonies to His glory.

Bless you many times over!

Hopes and Dreams for 2008.

God has so blessed me that I can only look out for the welfare of others.

May the lives of everyone who read this be a testimony in areas where they have ever sought God for someting special. Whatever that may be - as he has done it for me, may you experience even more. In Jesus Name. Amen!

Great piece.

However, I wonder how many people would agree with this statement:

Dorcasde:
A woman is man’s best form of defense against temptation.

I don't want to run the risk of having snatched that line out of context. But in whatever its application or connotation, how many people would acquiesce to that statement as a FACT? HOW would it stand especially in the face of real temptations?

Interesting. @young_digi, ho is it going so far?