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@babs787,

Even your first reference alone does not make anyone here to understand Islam any better than what Muslims have made of it today.

babs787:
Quran 42 v 13: He (Allah) has ordained for you the same religion (Islamic monotheism) which He ordained for Noah, and that which we have revealed to you (O Muhammed saw) and that which we ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus saying YOU SHOULD ESTABLISH RELIGION (i.e to do what it orders you to do practically) AND MAKE NO DIVISIONS IN IT (religion)

The claim that Jesus was attributed with the saying of "make no division in it" demonstrates that Muslims have actually failed this verse woefully - for the simple fact that they have divided Islam itself into multiplied sects and doctrines. How does one then begin to "understand" Islam from the same verses that Muslims have actually thrashed?

@babs787,

babs787:
Should I take your above post as a sign of weakness?

Only lazy people who cannot reason do so - especially when they assume that discussing any topic is all about entering into arguments from your bloviates. I don't make noise the way you do, babs787. . . that is why you assume that you can no longer read.

babs787:
I posed some unfulfilled contradictions here but you couldnt say anything on those but only here to support your brother that asked question when you havent attended to my questions here.

That is why I simply asked you to settle the UNFULFILLED contradiction in Muhammad's prophecy that has failed to materialize after 15 centuries! Did Muhammad not make the same kind of prophecies - YES or NO? Why have they failed after 15 centuries since he made them?

babs787:
Common, I asked you questions first and you should answer me first before bringing yours.

You don't really have to sound desperate and bring up this Islamic game of "answer me first". In other threads where I tried to reason with you and also asked questions, you ducked them and kept playing this game of "oya answer me first". You should long have realized that such Islamic games died a huge death the past year - and I have since notified that you take them back to your errand boys - such games do not work on pilgrim.1!

If you want a serious discussion, begin by answering this simple question: Did Muhammad not make the same kind of prophecies - YES or NO?

Be man enough to answer that simple queston, and then I shall oblige you answers to what you have missed in making those references and calling them contradictions. But if you're not man enough, please amuse me by playing the same games and ducking that one question.

babs787:
Note that you have used that strategy to avoid answering my questions in some threads when questions are being asked but you told me to answer you first before you would honor my own questions too. So here we go too.

I never used any strategy to avoid questions - and since you have made it your forte to demonstarte that you no longer exist on Nairaland, I simply put you on the ignore botton until you wake and stop the Muslim illiterate game of never answering questions when offered to Muslims.

If you are man enough, simply grow up and behave, and then I will take notice and serve you answers as well

@babs787,

babs787:
Heeeeeee Heeeeee

Did you lose a nose-ring as well? So, what's all the hypervitaminosis about?

babs787:
I am not smuggling him into the Gospels but he is there and you can't deny that. For the fact that the revelation is corrupt doesnt mean that there are still no truth therein. There are truths but the original message has been distorted. For example, we all know that the revelation was given during Jesus time and not after his death and he was given only one revelation and not four gospels as we are seeign today and did you say the four gospellers witness jesus' ministry? Dont try to say that because their accounts contradicted each other.

Why are you Muslims so confused and contradicting one another in your adventures to keep chasing your belly-botton?

Olabowale declared that Muhammad is not in the Bible - the same one that he has also quoted to reference Muhammad in it, until the Muslim propaganda went burst!

After having quoted the same Bible that you could not find Muhammad, you turned round the deride it. . . and now apologizing to once again smuggle him into the same Bible that you recently claimed is not from God? What is Muhammad doing in a Book that you now declare to be not from God? And where did 'Allah' keep the ones he claimed to have prophesied Muhammad in them? If 'Allah' is the one who sent down the Biblical scriptures, are you Muslims so confused that you would stiop at nothing to keep embarrassing yourselves and claiming that the same Scriptures from "Allah's" have become the object of your mockery?

Sorry, babs787. . . too late for the party! The Muslim attempt to make Muhammad appear in the Bible has been bleached and left without colour or clues! Where does that leave your Qur'an? Keep castigating the same Bible and chasing your confusion endlessly.

babs787:
@pilgrim.1


My dear sister that happened to be the greatest maradona on nairaland . So it has now turned to that . Ok, let me have your questions that I have not answered.

@babs787,

~ (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-102400.0.html#msg1799505)

~ (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-102400.0.html#msg1799690)

Please stop being such a hypocrite - go to the relevant thread and deal with them.

babs787:
@Pilgrim.1

[s]
You are confused just because the Quran didnt so abi. Butr have you not been served facts showing that your revelation is corrupt and can not be said to be the original given to earlier prophets.

The Quran came to confirm and correct the early revelations that have been distorted.God gave Jesus a revelation and not four Gospels in which their accounts happened to be contradicting each other. Also, the revelation given was during Jesus' time and not the Gospel that was written after his demise.

Now in all honesty, let us look at one correction here and do tell me which one you will want to give people out of the Quran and biblical versions of the same story about Jesus.

Matthew 1 v 18: Now the birth of Jesus christ was in this wise: when as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph , before they came together, She was found with child of the Holy spirit.

Was he God's son or Son of the Holy spirit?

Luke 1 v 35: and the angel answered and said unto her, 'the Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Highest shall overshdow thee

Now please, do we say Holy Spirit impregnated Mary according to the above passage?

Now read the Quranic version of the same story:

Quran 3 v 47: He said, even so Allah created what He willeth. When he hath decreed a plan, he but said to it 'BE' ad it is.

See similar account from the book of Genesis 1 v 3: when God said 'BE' and 'it was'

Which of the versions will you like to stick to?[/s]

Inspite of all your allegations, could you please refrain and cease from chasing and confusing yourself?

My questions were simple enough: where did the Qur'an itself make the statement that it came to CORRECT the Biblical scriptures?

Is that too hard for your level of education to grasp?

All you keep coming back to do is clearly validate my assertions - that the Qur'an claims it came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures. Whatever that statement means is not the issue for now - simply that it claims to have come to CONFIRM them!

Now, do set your Islamic ducking aside and proffer the one verse in the Qur'an where ALLAH stated what you have put in his mouth about the Qur'an claiming to have come to correct the Biblical scriptures.

If you suppose that all your excuses will help to deflect the focus of this thread, you have another thing coming, gentleman. It is either you find that verse, or the Qur'an never stated what you asserted - and it becomes all the more obvious that you LIED for Allah and tried to put words in his mouth.

Which is which?

@olabowale,

olabowale:
When I requested that the PUNDITS should define for us what is correction, I heard a lot of horrible commentaries.

You haven't heard half the horrible commentaries that inform your hypocrisy in this thread if you keep pretending that you can no longer understand simple English.

olabowale:
I am very busy and Allah has restrained me from truly ugly statements that I would have desired to answer many on this board.

You have not been busy - truth be told. You were playing hide-and-seek after answers started setting your lies to rest. Allah never restrains you from LYING for him; but when you are asked simple questions, then we read that 'Allah' restrains you!

Rubbish!

Just wake up and post the verse I asked for, or simply waka with your overblown shakara out of this thread before you are left clueless and colourless!

This stupid adventures of LYING for 'Allah' and covering up with "I am busy" and "Allah restrained me" will not help your duplicity here.

WHERE DID ALLAH say that he gave the QUR'AN to CORRECT the Biblical Scriptures?

We continue to see that the Qur'an clearly says that it came to CONFIRM (validate, verify) the Biblical scriptures - and not to correct them!

Where is that verse that uses the word "CORRECT"?

Once again, I need to remind readers of your message:

Die Except As A MUSLIM!

Yep. . . nobody should die as a Muslim!

babs787:
Why not shut your mouth if you have nothing sensible to say . If you are ready, we dig deep into that topic that has remained a misery to christian world.

Perhaps you need to take your own advice and grow up before you say anything. What sensible thing have YOU said anywhere than the plagiarized materials you kept ferreting and dressing up as your own. . . until the cover was blown?

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Your input will still be appreciated

As soon as you respond to the questions I offered you in the pending threads.

babs787:
@pilgrim

Please if Jesus wasnt a muslim, what religion did he practised and try to back same with verses from your bible.

Where in the Bible do we read that Jesus was a Muslim?

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Your denial will not you in any way.

Please try not to hyperventilate and thereby miss words in your statements. Nobody has complained about any denials from me - because they can't find me LYING for 'Allah' as you do.

babs787:
You still continue looking for what to say after serving you verses on corruption of early revelation.If the Quran didnt come to correct the early revelation, why was it revealed

Lol. . . please read your confused statement again - they only reveal how frantic you have become in lying for 'Allah'.

The one thing I asked for was the verse for your assertion that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures. Nothing more or less than that. Have you found the verse where the QU'RAN ever said so?

Having failed to provide the verse I asked for, you've jumped from that to asserting that the Qur'an came to "correct" the 'EARLY' revelation. Can you find me where the Qur'an claims to have come to "correct" the 'EARLY' revelations as well?

Muslims believe that 'Allah' claims to have sent down the 'revelations' to the prophets (Qur'an 2 v 136 - "that which the prophets received from their Lord". Where did he also claim to have sent the Qur'an to "correct" the revelations that he claimed to have sent down? Just where is that verse, babs787?

And since your problem now is the "early" revelations, it would then mean that your new heebie-jeebies are not with the Bible itself, but with some "early" revelation which you can no longer find. When you find the "early" revelation, then try to "correct" them. Hehe. . . lying for 'Allah' is definitely going to keep you busy confusing yourself.

babs787:
and if it didnt come to confirm early revelations, why is the Quran having similar account with the bible in some instances?

HAHAHA! My dear babs787. . look again at what you stated!

You have only once again discredited all your arguments here by acknowledging that the Qur'an came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures. You are shifting grounds so quickly and only finding yourself validating my statements while at the same time rubbishing your bloviates. Well done!

Meanwhile, have you found WHERE the Qur'an claims that it came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures? Lol. . . this is page 3 in this thread, and you are still sweating to find the verse! Olabowale thought he could help, but not even he could find the verse where 'Allah' ever spoke of the Qur'an coming to "correct" the Biblical scriptures. NOT ONE VERSE in the Qur'an said so!

babs787:
I thought you claimed that Muhammad wasnt an illiterate but you havent served me where you found him to be literate.

Hehe. . . is that the best you can do to deflect this thread?

Sorry babs787. . . this thread is not about Muhammad's illiteracy - so you can save the game of deflection and focus on the present topic.

Once again, your assertion was that the Qur'an came to "correct" the Biblical scriptures. And my simple request was for you to show me where the Qur'an said so! As far as we know, the Qur'an said it came to CONFIRM the Biblical scriptures which have been with Jews and Christians even right from Muhammad's day - and not a single verse in the Qur'an remotely hints that it came to "correct" them!

~ If the Qur'an claims to have come to "correct" them, where did it say so, babs787?

Now, if you don't mind, you could simply offer that verse and answer the question - "With relevant nonsense from the Quran", according to mrpataki!

@babs787,

babs787:
You are still here making reference to the sayings of those that never knew Jesus but have been making scores of contradictions which are being discovered daily.

Muhammad is one of those that "never knew Jesus" - and his 'references' do not count here.

Second, YOU babs787 have quoted from the same Gospels as references for Muhammad; so it is disingenous to turn round and castigate the same Gospels simply because your attempt to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible has been thoroughly bleached. Is that what is upsetting you so badly?

@babs787,

babs787:
Pilgrim.1,

Are you ready to debate with me that early christians didnt use cross but used fish and it was brought into christianity by pagans

How does that tessellate with my statement in your quote above? Was the symbol of the fish the point of offence to Muhammad?

babs787:
and please what does the cross stands for according to your statement?

I asked a question - when I receive answers, then I will oblige you. It is the typical modus operandi for Muslims to never answer questions before asking theirs.

@longman83,

I couldn't have responded any better or improved on what you have stated!

Particular, I would like to reiterate the following highlights in yours which have roundly contextualized the issue of holding intellectual discourses on this motherboard:

#1.

longman83:
This habit of copy-pasting questions from other sources without acknowledging those sources, and demanding answers from others while prancing about as intellectual heavyweights is thoroughly childish and pointless IMO.

Apt.


#2.

longman83:
Jesus did not answer every question that was put to him, you know. He did not swallow wholesale the baiting of his detractors and those who were clearly not concerned about knowing the truth

Words on marble!


#3.

longman83:
Here are certain other things you should have done as well:

[list][li]First, you should have processed the information yourself[/li][/list]

Which is what intellectuals do - as I have severally hinted them!


#4.

longman83:
Here are certain other things you should have done as well:

[list][li]Finally, present you queries in a forthright, honest manner. Deliberately leaving out your sources is misrepresentation and entirely disingenuous.[/li][/list]

It's no wonder! Good advice, if the 'original poster plagiarist' would oblige or comply.

One doesn't have to be as frantic or desperate if he/she has original ideas for a good intellectual discourse. This is the reason why recycled and/or plagiarized material which the poster(s) dress up as their own really do not interest me - and I don't waste time trying to humour such futile exercises. . . especially when it is clear that such posters know that my threads are not recycled material.

Like I have said in other threads, whenever people present issues and concerns of their own (which they have not dressed up after copping them from others), then I post some helpful rejoinders. Where, on the contrary, we are being entertained with these Islamic 'convenience game', they can keep us amuzed for as long as the recycling career keeps them busy.

Hehe. . . Somebody seems to have taken a really bad hit and so dazed that he has to run for cover and plagiarize websites to nurse his bruises! Good to know how frantic all this is making our original poster plagiarist react.

@babs787,

babs787:
@pilgrim


Let me have where Muhammad started Islam and I will give you verses from the Quran telling you that those before him were Muslims and practised same but it wasd during his time that it was made complete (i.e five compulsory daily prayers etc).

So if you are ready for a debate on that, I am equally ready to lecture you

Nice one - but a very weak attempt to scurry away from the present bloviates you started here in order to cover up your inability to answer the same question on Muhammad's prophecy, abi? Sorry, just remain focused and pay close attention to the same question I offered you on Muhammad's "prophecy" about the "SOON" coming of Jesus Christ!

It's easy to run to skeptic websites and ferret your vexations from them against Jesus Christ. But when you are reminded that Muhammad "prophecy" of Jesus "SOON" coming has failed after 15 centuries, you pretend to no longer understand Islam!

@longman83,

longman83:
http://www.inu.net/skeptic/lie.html

babs787, as long as you're baiting Christians with arguments from atheists (see link), how about checking out what these atheists have to say about Islam?

Another confirmation of plagiarism at work! Thanks.

@trumpeter,

trumpeter:
I was shocked when I heard the wretch babblings of one of the sons of Deedat, asserting with such an impious hubris, that Jesus was a liar.

You need not be shocked, really. This is the one thing I have been trying to make the public reader understand - that Muslims in reality have no reverence for Jesus Christ, even though they would hypocritically claim that they 'respect' and 'love' Him. Now the façade is gradually coming to light, and you will not find any Muslim denouncing such 'impious hubris'.

One of my colleagues in the office asked: "If Muslims shamelessly refer to Jesus as a liar, why then do they believe in Him?" It is interesting to note that the enquirer was a recent Christian convert who left Islam after having pondered over such dubious and hypocritic assertions.

All the same, many thanks for yours - very interesting and informative.

@olabowale,

olabowale:
@Focused: You will never be able to find Muhammad in the Bible, that you have. Just the same way that you will never be able to pass what you have now as the Bible, even though you call it the Bible, (as the original Taurat (Old Testament) of Moses)

You have simply confirmed once again that Muhammad has nothing to do with the Bible. So you and your folks can rest your malady and stop quoting from the same Bible in order to find Muhammad in its pages! He has been thoroughly bleached and the Muslim hypocrisy on this subject is exposed for what it truly IS!

Lol. . . @focused,

focused:
Muhammed was not in the bible. muhammed is not in the bible and muhammed will never be in the bible.

Aptly put.

Earlier, I had made this observation typically as a Muslim propagandist would have intoned:

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=3643.msg1810920#msg1810920 date=1199168469]If Muhammad is NOT in the Bible which the Qur'an describes as being "with them" (i.e., being with Jews and Christians), why have Muslims abandoned their own LOST Torah and searching the one that is with us?[/quote]A Muslim propagandist with his vacillating inconsistencies would have argued that Muhammad IS in the Bible - that was why I used the logic of a suggestive negation above to invite them to confirm their duplicity! And wonders of wonders - it worked! Was it not the same olabowale (among other Muslims) who tried to argue that Muhammad was the "Comforter" in John's Gospel chapter 14 and 16? Now he has come back to CONFIRM that:

olabowale:
@Focused: You will never be able to find Muhammad in the Bible, that you have.

. . . and yet the same olabowale was trying to quote from the same Bible that we have - for a FACT! I have told them before: any Muslim racal attempt to use "logic" to argue their way through with pilgrim.1 will leak through with a huge confusion of their blotch!

I guess the others were smarter than to slice themselves thereby, especially after several debates on this very issue have duly bleached the hypocrisy of the Muslim attempt to smuggle Muhammad into the Bible among the Biblical prophets!

It is no wonder then that in recent times, the same hordes of footsoldiers are now turning around to deride the same Biblical scriptures which they have quoted previously in attempts to accredit Muhammad's adventures! They have quoted from Deuteronomy, Isaiah, Haggai, Song of Songs, Matthew, Luke, John, and sveral other books of the Bible. When they were taken to the cleaners and left clueless and colourless, it doesn't surprise anyone anymore that they predictably came back castigating the same prophets and Biblical scriptures they once quoted!

No be today Muslim hypocrisy start!

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:
I am amzed wherebuqah is made compulsory here.

We are all amazed as well; and thanks for your inputs.

mdsocks:
Why ?

Why not ask them, They have their right to wear anything they like ,

You can't decide for them .

If they had "their right" to do so without any Islamic figure trying to force it upon them, what would you say about the following:


Kidnapped British servicewoman Faye Turney
was forced to cover her head with an Islamic hijab
in the first video released by Iran since she and
14 comrades were seized last week.

Source: (click here)

- - - - - - - - -


They are stopping pedestrians and even cars - warning female
drivers not to show any hair - and impounding the vehicles and
arresting the women if they argue back. Middle-aged women,
foreign tourists and journalists have all been harassed, not just
the young and fashionably dressed.

Source: (click here).


Did you say "They have their right to wear anything they like"?!?

@seeklove,

seeklove:
@ pilgrim.1
I must be honest with you, Justcool dosent deserve your unnecesary aggresion towards him.

I could easily have said "sorry" and let it end there. But if honesty should speak for itself, I don't see how I have been aggresive towards him if he did not invite a no-nonsense response from me. People should not try to present decorative farce and wave it in our faces and pretend they have a clue what they're talking about ESPECIALLY where they have closed their eyes to FACTS and refused to go directly to the sources that inform the subject of this discussion.

seeklove:
a) I compeletly diasgree with you here. By the guys source Muhamed did not bring any religion. But by your source(the quran) he did bring anew religion.

No worries. . . I have never had any problems with anyone disagreeing with me, and people are free to do so - especially when he intoned that readers could examine the issues for themselves.

To assert that Muhammad did not bring any religion when infact Muhammad himself clearly said that HE DID is to play a deceptive game that only weakens the course of intellectual honesty. Who was he trying to fool by blinding himself to the facts - or what does he hope to achieve by trying to force words into Muhammad's mouth? He claims Muhammad never did so - whereas Muhammad clearly ASSERTED that he did! If justcool cannot simply acknowledge what Muhammad said, why was his blood boiling over when I made statements about Abd-ru-Shin?

I consider it a display of classic hypocrisy to see the FACTS and then pretend they are otherwise as appear!

seeklove:
But the guy is not qureeling with you over the quran. why do you keep beinging up the quran to him.

I wasn't quarrelling with him over any religious writ - I only quoted those verses to demonstrate to him that he was playing a convenience game of deception to claim the direct opposite of what Muhammad asserted and then make Muhammad look like he was saying something different from what he did in the Qur'an!

seeklove:
You qouted the quran to establish a fact . This is serious ohhh !!!!!! So the moselems have finally won you over. Since when did the quran become factual

I quoted the Qur'an to establish the FACT that justcool was being deceptive in his assertions - as I have explained in detail above. It does not mean that the Qur'an is FACT in all matters of religion. I hope you can see the divide?

It is just as well to say that Abd-ru-Shin never taught or said certain things. I know how many Grail messengers would swarm down on me and QUOTE verses or lines from "In The Light of Truth" to prove the FACT the Shin actually said those things! It does not mean that Mr Shin's book is "THE Fact" if I quoted from his book - it would only mean that the person quoting his book would be trying to establish the FACT that I had no clue what I was arguing!

seeklove:
b) You keep using the quran which you know is not the guys source.

Yep - I kept using the Qur'an to show that he was contradicting Muhammad DIRECTLY! If he was willing to accept what Muhammad stated and not claim the opposite, then neither of you would have a problem with my quoting from the Qur'an.

When atheists quote from the Bible, they do so - not to "prove" that they believe the Bible to be factual - but rather to establish their point that people argue AGAINST simple FACTS in their own persuasion! No one should have a problem with anyone quoting from the Qur'an to establish their convictions - Apostates from Islam also quote the Qur'an to establish one FACT: that they believe the Qur'an is a huge fraud, even though that is not what Muslims believe!

seeklove:
c) I don't see any saving face on the guys side. You didnt understand my first post I never agreed with your oversealous manner.

No worries.

seeklove:
I can't bekieve this!!!! What sources?? the quran.  Please sombody help me tell philgrim 1 that the quran and the bible is not justcoll's sources.

What are you screaming your head for? I already acknowledged his assertion that he got his ideas from mr Shin's book - please go through again and refrain from this hyperventilating exercise.

seeklove:
Sorry but I have to say the truth.

Gratefully acknowledged.

Cheers.

@justcool,

Lol. . . I knew you would fall easily for that - and it would really have been surprising if you did not! Indeed I make some typo-errors when I'm quite busy; but not in the one you pointed out. I could easily leave it your way to appease you. . . but let me share precisely what happened.

I had initially typed "simpl[b]e[/b]" but edited it and re-typed "simpl[b]y[/b]". WHY? Because the point I was trying to pass across is not an English course, but the basic outline in my rejoinder. There is a huge difference - and this should not have presented you with any problems at all if you ever heard of positional adjectives.

Positional adjectives simply means that one could place a qualifier in a number of ways depending on the context and the substance of what the writer/speaker was passing across. In which case I could have said it in any of these ways:

       ~ Let's help you grasp simply English

       ~ Let's help you simply grasp English

                     or

       ~ Let's help you grasp English simply

If I was taking you on an English course, you might have had a point. But please look again at my rejoinder - that was hardly a course in English but a delineation of my persuasions in a neat outline!

When I need to take someone on a course in English, then I would be speaking of "simple English" rather than "simply English". The former indicates that I'm hoping they would understand something in English; while the latter is to help them see issues more easily!

Proof? I have actually applied both forms in other threads, and let me remind you of a few. In another thread where i wanted someone to understand the meaning of the English word "confirm", I walked him through an English course on that word:

          ~ "Do you struggle with simpl[b]e[/b] statements in English?" (click here)

          ~ "I knew you would come back with long stories - that was why I took time out
          to carefully walk you through elementary English understanding of the word CONFIRM."
          (click here)

          ~ "Let me take babs787 on an English course and then come back and show him
          what the Qur'an exactly claimed to do!" (click here)


The above are the few that I remember momentarily - but the point was that I was more concerned that he got a (or 'an') English understanding of the word "confirm" - and that was why I could share such as though I led him through "an English course".

However, if my intention was not to take my discussant through an English course, it would be absurd for me to have misled him into thinking I was about delineating my points if I used the word "simpl[b]y[/b]" instead of "simple".

You may not agree with all this, and no worries. There are so many more examples that you might want to check up on that may excite you as well. Sample:

       ~ He must need[b]s[/b] attempt the exercise!

Now, this whole rejoinder is an English course rather than focusing on the topic of the thread. What would I say? Here:

       ~ 'I have only tried to simpl[b]y[/b] help you grasp the meaning'

                           or

       ~ 'I tried to help you grasp simpl[b]y[/b] the meaning of the statement'.


Lol. . . I guess a lot of people struggle indeed with English (or should I say again: 'English[b]es[/b]').

Xvalier:
During crisis period, the Northern muslims do not know you as friends, they can kill the very person they ate with the day before.

There is only one reason why they go to such lengths.

Mustay:
does the picture read AM A MUSLIM?


pure simulation

If you are waiting for a caption in the picture to read, we can understand why Islam seems to produce men who struggle with intelligence. No disrespect to you personally; but if you want to know what is 'pure simulation', I have loads of pictures that Muslims have tampered with to deceive their own ummah. Wanna see 'em?

@justcool,

Let's help you grasp simply English, if you're struggling with it.

(a) Your assertion that Muhammad did not bring a religion is hugely flawed by what is in the Qur'an - and that was the reason why I quoted the verses to establish the FACT!

(b) It is inconsequential what you think of the Bible or the Qur'an, as long as you don't assume to make false statements about them and pretend them as truth. In which case, your pretentions that Muhammad never brought any religion is false - for the Qur'an demonstrates otherwise.

(c) If you care for simplicity and truth, you will not leave yourself open to the sort of embarrassments that you struggle to come back to save face - and that was why I hinted that it were better you carefully checked with the FACTS before assuming to make any comments.

justcool:
Therefore I don't need the Koran nor the Bible to know that if Mohamed was a true prophet he could not have brought a religion. But some of us have lost our ability weigh and examine with our Gods given intuition that we have to consult the Bible or the Koran for the most simple things.

Such assumptions are the hallmark of self-deception; because what you allege against others are more heavily manifested in yours. You have closed your eyes against the FACTS and refused to go directly to the sources, and that is why you keep making otiose remarks that bear no weight at all. God did not give you intelligence to make false statements against issues you have no clues - so please refrain from these cheap applauses and do the simple thing that common sense requires.

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olabowale:
Why don't you just show us the quality of Jesus and show us the definition of
Muslim, who is truly obedient to God Almighty.

What makes a person a Muslim? What is a Muslim?

olabowale:
Compare the two side by side. Lets hear

After you definition, we shall have good occasion to compare and then seek more answers beyond your definition, where necessary.

olabowale:
Did Jesus submit his will to the Will of God? If the answer is yes, then he was a Muslim!

Is that all that made Him a 'Muslim' - just like that?

Did the apostles of Jesus not submit to the Will of God as well?

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by
the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good,
and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1 Thes. 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification,
that ye should abstain from fornication

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God,
ye might receive the promise.

1 Peter 4:2
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh
to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

1 John 2:17
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:
but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

All these demonstrate that they knew and submitted to the "will of God" - but did that therefore make them 'Muslims'?!?

Eccl. 9:8 -- Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.

Hi Xvalier,

Thanks for your inputs.