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Ubenedictus:
lapsarianism is still a school of thought within Calvinism that originated form Theodore Beza and Jerome Zanchius and allowed by the reform dort council.

you are just a more recent branch of John Calvin's doctrines

Lapsarianism is a technical word.

Notice I said BIBLICAL LAPSARIANISM.

petra1

No need for harsh word . Present your case and leave it there .

Presenting my case is what i've been doing and will continue to do. I only quoted what others have noticed about you.

Me keh? That’s you guys specialty na . I no dey fight

Let me quote you on this:

petra1:
While you guys are robbers

You said that here: https://www.nairaland.com/4169634/error-daddy-freeze/9#62761959

The focus of Gods Kindom has always been christ .
God is not writing new bible for the christian . Theo Word of God was the Old Testament which they study in the churches . The part done away are the part that christ has fulfilled .

So you can’t condemn any thing just because it’s contained in the Old Testament . Because it will be hypocritical .principles in the worship of God run across the ages . Some before the law , some in the law . I have asked you questions which you have been avoiding . If you condemn tithe only the bases of the law how about the so many other things that are practiced in the church yet they were in the law ?

Show me where I "condemn any thing just because it's contained in the Old Testament". ALL I've been saying is that the NEW SUPERCEDES the Old. Where anything in the Old whether directly or in a modified form is to be in the NEW it will be clearly seen.


Were details of the New Covenant revealed in the Old Testament? NO! That is why Paul said it was a "mystery". BUT because you guys need something to justify your monetary tithing for today, you want to give the OLD the position it does not have today.

You don't have the right to determine which part of the O.T. is done away with or not; the Holy Spirit already did through the Apostles.

Why do you give offerings Is incest legalized now?
Not to talk of others like murder or idolatry . Why is it tithe that is focused on
Is in incest a sin ?

It is MANDATORY or COERCED TITHING that we condemn. Why? Because the NEW has replaced it with freewill giving.

The current issue happens to be tithing. If other matters that require attention come up we'll surely give our inputs.

If I do not answer a question it's either because some other person has answered it or it is irrelevant to the thread.

If you feel strongly about any issue please open another thread and let's deal with it there.

petra1:
^^^^^^^
Error , if that’s the case why do you still give offering ,?pray, worship , fast and give alms to the poor were they not part of the law as well .

Sin is transgression of Gods law . Without the law there will be lawlessness

Like someone earlier said, and I quote:
"I wish u can spare some time and be humble enough to learn."

Did you really read my post?
Or you were more eager to respond with vituperation?

See again one of the things I wrote :

If God wanted ANYTHING before Christ to be included in the New Covenant he would say so. The focus of the New Covenant is Christ alone from start to finish.

So, anything from the old that is still essential for the Christian life will be found in the EPISTLES.

Are 'offering', 'prayer', 'worship', 'fast' and 'alms to the poor' found in the Epistles?

Are you still under the Mosaic Law or under the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?

I CHALLENGE YOU AGAIN to clearly point out how EACH item of my above post you called "error" are WRONG, otherwise you show yourself as a real peddler of FALSE TEACHING ON TITHE ON THIS FORUM.

petra1:
Almsgiving is important as well . But the tithe yo God is used for the work of God .

How the work of God is to be funded under the New Covenant is CLEARLY spelt out in the EPISTLES.

Pressured, manipulative, coerced or forced TITHING in whatsoever way is not one of the ways.

"Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." 2 Cor.9:7

God has not changed his STANDARD stipulated above to 10% giving-for-gain gimmick.

petra1:
Tithes and offerings are eternal principles in worship of God . TITHING started as far back as the days of Abraham before the law ever came

ABRAHAM TITHED

Genesis 14:20
And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all


JACOB TITHED

Genesis 28:22 (KJV Strong's)
And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.


GOD MADE IT LAW WHEN HIS PEOPLE CAME OUT OF EGYPT TO WORSHIP HIM

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

JESUS TAUGHT THAT WE SHOUKD TITHE

Matthew 23:23
“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.


JESUS INSTRUCTED THE CHURCH ON TITHE AS A PARRALEL PRINCIPLE

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting. Tith

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

When God gave the Mosaic Law it COMPLETELY REPLACED everything that was before it as God's system for RELATING with him.
If God wanted ANYTHING from the old (i.e. before the law) to still apply it would be INCLUDED in the Law.

When Christ came with the New Covenant it SUPERCEDES not just the Law BUT EVERYTHING that existed before the Law as a means of relating with God.

If God wanted ANYTHING before Christ to be included in the New Covenant he would say so. The focus of the New Covenant is Christ alone from start to finish.

When Christians are emotionally pressured to give, that amounts to human good and legalism contrary to the life of GRACE that is the plan of God for the Christian.

Unless the Christian gives out of the right motivation his giving amounts to nothing before God. In other words, when the Christian gives out of the wrong motivation such giving receives no recognition from God. Men may applaud him but God will count him as a non-starter.

Unless the Christian runs his spiritual life in line with the dictates of the New Covenant he runs a futile race.

God2man:

You people are so desperate, you never give up on this war against tithing.

You have been fighting against tithe for some years now, even though you see the truth clearly, you will still continue arguing and arguing till eternity.

You brought antithing to Facebook, television and all other social media just to tell the whole world that tithing is not biblical.

Let me say that your antithing agenda will open the eyes of non tithers to start tithing.

God help us.

It's interesting that those of you on your side of the divide either are unable to clearly answer simple questions or you end up attacking your "perceived" opponents.

The New Covenant has NOTHING to do with TITHING but EVERYTHING to do about Christ. It's ALL about Christ from the beginning to the end. We have a case of "that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God. LUKE 16:15b AMP

You may not see or understand this because majority of you have been LEGALISTICALLY PROGRAMMED over the years. You will need a renovation of your minds to begin to take in what is truly of Christ as opposed to religion.

If you're not desperate why not just IGNORE us?

Rhectz:
Note that Abraham, as the father of Israel (true believers and Christians) was given as a sample for all Christians.

Isaiah 51:2 KJV
Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.

All I asked for was explanation on the "kingdom principles and revelations" in that Mark 13:37 passage.

Can you provide it?

kiddapunk:
except you just want to argue its obvious enough, after everything he(christ?) has told them,they should understand it is open to all

All I asked for was explanation on the "kingdom principles and revelations" in that Mark 13:37 passage.

Can you provide it?

Pinkygillian:
Pls ask for the spirit of rhema

How's your Love, and Lust topic doing?

onuhabel1:
Yea, if what Jesus said to one person, he says to all

Don't u know Jesus was with God from the beginning and he's God?

If he told Abraham, it applies to us as well, Paul the apostle also spoke abt tithing, u knw?

Really?

Interesting!

They've done it again in Egypt!

David Wood is right.

onuhabel1:
It says
What I say to one, I say to all
so what God said to Abraham, he's saying to us also

No wonder!

First, Jesus was the one speaking here.
How does it suddenly translate to what God said to Abraham?
Shouldn't it be what he is saying in this passage that the words apply to?

onuhabel1:
Last night, God's servant, Dr Paul Enenche of Dunamis exposed the truth of tithing pointing out how Jesus endorsed in
Matt 23:23 says

New Living Translation
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

King James Bible
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The passage shows that Jesus endorsed tithing but rebuked tithing in iniquity, so we should tithe!
*You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.* (NLT)
Excerpts from the teaching:

WHAT IS THE TITHE ABOUT?
1. The Tithe is one-tenth of a person’s income
2. The Tithe existed before the law of Moses (Gen. 14:18-20; 2Cor. 9:6-7)
The Tithe did not come with the law of Moses so it cannot go with the law Moses. It existed far before the law and will continue to exist far after the law.
3. The Tithe did not begin as a commandment, it began as a Kingdom principle delivered by revelation (Gen. 14:18-20)
Nobody told Abraham to tithe, it was revealed to him by God
4. Kingdom principles and revelations are universal in application (Mark 13:37)
Time does not change Divine principles and revelations (Gen. 17:1; Matt. 5:48; 2Cor. 13:11)
6. Tithing was confirmed and commended by the Master in the New Testament (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42; Lev. 27:30)
7. The Tithe was validated by Paul the Apostle in the New Testament [Heb. 7:1-8]

Do not be pastored by Social media!

Kindly explain the "kingdom principles and revelations" in that Mark 13:37 passage.

joshnes:
as much as I will love to answer you, you've drawn up your conclusions so no thanks.

Colossians 2:8:
Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.

joshnes:
....Contd.... 6. Tithing was approved, confirmed and commended by the master Jesus in the New Testament. Jesus speaking in Matthew 23:23 (TLB/NLT) "Yes, woe unto you, Pharisees, and you other religious teachers - hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things - justice and mercy and faith. YES, YOU SHOULD TITHE, but you shouldn't leave the more important things

FACTS ABOUT THE TITHE 1. The tithe belongs to God, not the pastor; no true man of God looks to tithe for survival. 2. Tithe is paid at the place of one's spiritual covering. 3. The tithe is to be paid of ALL income. 4. The tithe is to be paid in whole. 5. Everybody should pay tithe, no pastor is too big to pay tithe."

1. What did Jesus say that the Pharisees were tithing from your above Bible passage quoted?
They were tithing plants from their gardens. This does not amount today's gimmick of tithing money.

2. PLEASE! Where is the "New Testament Proof" for ALL those points you listed?
You've only succeeded in showing us that you're as gullible as others. You're given a few Bible verses laced with human viewpoint and you immediately accept it as PROOF!.

aribisala0:
Give to God? How? Does one give to God by paying a chuurch or feeding the hungry ? WHich is the correct way ofGiving to God

Grace giving as specified by Apostle Paul.

Gombs:
Same thing as
Child dedication
Church wedding
Etc
As they are not written down, does it mean that they are not essential parts of the Christian way of life.?

Let's not forget...Jesus knew better that there would be a new church. Yet, He gave tithes (he was a Jew) yet with this knowledge, he didn't condemn tithing,

??

Who is termed the Father of faith?

Your submission is invalid

Yes! They are not essential part.
In case you're confused let me give you a question to clear your head: Is the marriage between two unbelievers valid or invalid before God?

If I ask you to show us where Jesus tithed your next response will be "Show me where he didn't" even though you made the unsubstantiated statement in the first place.

If Jesus hadn't made this statement; "Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." many of you would have argued that John the Baptist is greater than anyone in Christ.

You're again just bandying words around. What is the meaning of father of faith? You make unsubstantiated statements and turn around to claim that another person's submission is invalid. What is YOUR meaning of "invalid"?

It is NOT about man. It's ALL about God. He chooses whom to ELEVATE and whom not to. He - God - decided in eternity past "that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory." Ephesians 1:12. God chose "that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created." James 1:18. Do you see any UNIQUENESS of the Church from these?

So, if you choose to elevate what God HAS NOT elevated you stand to bear the consequences. If you disregard your position IN Christ and choose to go back to live in the old, to your master you will stand accountable one day.

How THE LORD'S PEOPLE are to give is very CLEAR in the Scripture. The Gospel the Apostles preached was IN EVERY WAY new and different from whatever obtained before it. BUT many today dont seem to see that. No wonder Apostle Paul prayed "that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people..." Ephesians 1:18.

It is the opening of the eyes of the heart that will help you guys distinguish between REALITY and the present day GIMMICK called TITHING for which Scriptures are twisted to argue from every conceivable position.

petra1:
Daddy freeze manipulated all of you . The tithe to God is different from what is given to the poor

You seem fixated on what one man has said even though discussions on this forum have gone way beyond that.

Apparently he has struck a raw nerve with you guys.

Even if - and that's a very BIG IF! - he said something in error as you claim how does that amount to MANIPULATION? To say it is manipulation suggests that he set out from the onset to deceive people. Do you have any evidence for this? How does a man being in error amount to manipulating others? Come on, man!

You still have not been able to prove the Biblical error in his point beyond your saying that he only took ONE out of THREE different types of tithes. If he took one so what? How does that amount to error?

How about what the rest of us have said on this forum? You've been UNABLE TO refute them!

It is you, when you drop your snippets here and there on this forum that "he's in error" without really proving anything that is being insidious in your ways; you're the one actually trying to MANIPULATE others to go against him and tow your line.

You have been manipulated well before him.
You've been manipulated when you bought the lie that you need to return to the old to run your Christian life.
You had been manipulated when you bought the lie that you need to ADD a regulation from the old to your life of FAITH THAT SHOULD EXPRESS ITSELF IN LOVE. You were manipulated when you were not taught that as a Christian your position IN CHRIST is UNIQUE and SUPERIOR to any system that EVER EXISTED.

It is that manipulation that has made us spend so much time on this so INSIGNIFICANT a matter on this thread.

ofai:
So going by your analogy, you are saying you must bargain before giving tithe to God? Or God must first bless you before you bless him?
If you are a man truly after Gods own heart, you won't wait for him to bless you first.

A number of today's tithers know that the popular Malachi portion usually refered to was pointing to what the Mosaic Law specified about tithing. In fact, Malachi chapter 4:4 refered them to the Law of Moses.

Knowing that the Law was CLEAR ON what and how of tithing and that today's tithing does follow that prescribed by the Law these tithers, in seeking justification for their tithing, then run to Abraham's incident and Jacob's.

NONE of these two examples say that if you tithe you'll be blessed or spared some negative happenings in life or death. That is what I'm saying.

A Christian should give to God IN APPRECIATION of what God HAS DONE for him in Christ and NOT as a bargaining chip for some perceived future blessings.

Gombs:
Uncle, my point is.. Just because it wasn't written down in the Bible that Jesus paid tithes or his apostles,doesn't mean he didn't.
Hence the bath comparison. Do you understand now?

And my point is.. Just because it wasn't written down in the Bible that Jesus paid tithes or his apostles MEANS that it is NOT an essential part of the Christian Way of Life.

Remember, the Church is The Body of Christ. Does that mean anything to you? Did any other people, pre-law or under the Law have the kind of relationship with God as the Church with Christ?

Insisting on GOING BACK to pre-law or the Law to determine the SPIRITUAL LIFE of the Church Age believer is CHEAPENING the work of Christ and the relationship today's believer has with God as a result of who he is IN CHRIST.

petra1:
You have done so well . Anyone who reads your posts objectively will have good understanding .congrats

Really? Really? Sincerely?

Israel had SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS on how to tithe.
Abraham must have been CLEAR on why he paid tithe.

Today's tithers NEITHER follow EXACTLY what Israel did nor what Abraham did.

So, on what CLEAR and very SPECIFIC DIRECTIVE are today's tithers practicing there money-for-financial-reward and escape from hell MONETARY TITHING?

Majority of today's tithers are NOT doing it IN RESPONSE to or IN APPRECIATION of God's grace.

Abraham gave a tenth of the PLUNDER after Melchizedek blessed him, not before.

Jacob promised to give God a tenth only after he would have received what he asked of God.

Today's tithers pay tithes SO AS TO GET from God.

Do any of these two examples - Abraham & Jacob - you guys run to to justify your monetary tithing today line up with what you do today? NO! None of them does.

You cannot twist the arms of the SOVEREIGN GOD. Otherwise you've made him human.

You cannot choose how you want to RELATE with him: He decides how.

He has CLEARLY said that IN TIME PAST and IN DIVERSE ways had related with man BUT in these last days he has chosen to do so through the Son whose NEW COVENANT SUPERSEDES anything before it - whether pre-law or under the Law.

If today you hear his VOICE and still harden your heart to INSIST on running under the New Covenant in your own way rather than in God's way then the end result has been clearly spelt out for you.

Gombs:
Where in the NT did Christ take His bath? Can we say he didn't just because it wasn't written down?

Milk you dry? How much you get?

This is where you guys ALWAYS go off course.

Is having bath the bone of contention?
Has anyone said that having bath brings material or financial blessings?
Is having bath a doctrinal issues?

You guys CANNOT JUSTIFY your monetary tithing for the Christian.

You then resort to deflecting questions when you're unable to provide answers.

Again, what Jesus Christ brought about in the Church is SUPERIOR to anything pre-law, under law or whatever else you can think of.

Ubenedictus:
You know a doctrine is false when it is invented by a man over 1600 years after Christ.

Once saved always saved is an evolving doctrine invented by John Calvin in the 16th century, and taught by his adherents as reformed theology. it is a theological invention, invented by a lawyer who thought of salvation in purely legal terms.

the totality of the teaching is called TULIP.

T for total depravity
U for unconditional predestination or election
L for limited atonement
I for irresistible grace
P for assured perseverance of the saints.

when you add these 5 weird teachings of Calvin together you get the teaching called once saved always saved.

I believe in Biblical Lapsarianism and not TULIP but still hold on to once saved always saved.

hardasan:
What and what did Abraham and Jacob tithe that makes you conclude that there was no money among them ?

List all that Abraham and Jacob tithed so I can be "exposed "

The bible commands a tithe of all thine increase.
.............
It's common sense aka pure logic.
I have said this severally on this thread and you have read it severally. So why are you trying to paint a wrong picture of my opinion ?

What do you gain ? What is your bone of contention ?

I don't go beyond proper limits of what is clearly stated in Scripture.

I know some IMAGINATION is allowed but it should have limits.

The Scripture CLEARLY says what Abraham's tithe to Melchzedek was.

The Bible is equally clear in our not seeing where Jacob fulfilled his vow.

I wouldn't want to speculate beyond proper limits of scriptures.

When "The bible commands a tithe of all thine increase.", the question I ask you is: Increase of what ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE?

When you start from the Bible and then DRIFT OFF to "logic", "common sense" or "pure logic" you actually drift off into error.

The Christian should not stand on "human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ"

petra1:
he gave tithes of ALL i. its money and material .

what did he give. He vowed to give tithe of ALL. if he gave it in cash or kind ,its a matter of choice .

The mosaic law specified money for unclean animals and redemption . for example the man who sells dogs can't bring dog as tithe ,you give money worth. it called redemption

I see you're digging in on your position on Abraham. It's your last card since I have a feeling you're clear on what the Mosaic Law prescribed.

I don't go beyond proper limits of what is clearly stated in Scripture.

I know some IMAGINATION is allowed but it should have limits.

You mentioned "redemption". My question is "redemption" of WHAT? Is the redemption the tithe or as a result of inability to fulfil the PRIMARY requirements of the tithe law?

Petra1, the bottom line is this: If TITHING, a thing not regarded by the Lord Jesus as weightier matter, were to be required of the Christian as you tithe advocates claim then the EPISTLES will say so.

Unfortunately, the evidence from the early Church life, from the book of Acts and the epistles, for starters, DOES NOT stack up in your favour.

That is why you guys keep going BACK IN HISTORY.

The Church is UNIQUE. The Church is not pre-law. The Church is not under the Law. The Church was a mystery now revealed. ANY "PRINCIPLE" required for the Church has been revealed IN the Church and THROUGH the Church by means of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

salvation101:
I asked you which bible the early Christians in new testament era read because you are making it seem like they read matt, mark luke John in their days...u say they never tithed based on wat ur see in wat we call today as new testament but as a matter of fact they only had the Torah and were obedient to it because Jesus never taught them to rebel against the scriptures... To have a peek into the life of the early Christians u should answer what scriptures dey followed as at then became they never had Matt - Revelation

Don't let me think that COMPREHENSION is a problem for you.

Your answer lies in working out what i wrote in my post which is:

What do all these amount to? I believe you're brilliant enough to figure it out.

So, go back to the post and you will be able to see it.

salvation101:
Since u really want us to debate this, tell me the "Bible '' the early Church used... The Berean Christians were called nobel cause deh always went back to read the scriptures... Tell me the Scriptures they read... It will interest u to know that dey only had torah.. Wat we call new testament today was compiled several years after the death of the las apostles read.. U guys are always quick to discredit the old testament otherwise known as Torah... Tell me the scriptures the early church read as Bible

I've said it over and over again: It's not about winning arguments. It's about knowing and ACCEPTING God's view on any issue.

It's amazing how you want to jump from one issue to another aimlessly.

It's equally interesting how you ACCUSE others of what they have not done.

We're on TITHING and suddenly you want to go to which Bible the early church read. What have the two got in common?

No one is discrediting the Old Testament yet you're claiming that we're doing so. That's a false accusation.

See what Apostle Paul said: "I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:11-12.

He then went on to say: "For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it." Galatians 1:13.

Did you see that Jesus Christ taught him?
Did you see that he said he had PREVIOUS WAY OF LIFE in Judaism?

What do all these amount to? I believe you're brilliant enough to figure it out.

So, when we say the Christian is under a new system WHICH WAS A MYSTERY to those who lived under the old systems why is it difficult for many of you to see?

Paul again:
"and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things." Ephesians 3:9

"I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people." Colossians 1: 25-26.

It was the Apostles that revealed church-age doctrines. Yes, there are lots of things we can learn from the old BUT the old does not constitute the NORM for the New Covenant.

That is why, when it comes to TITHING this understanding guides the Christian who cares to see.

salvation101:
Jesus supported tithing in matt 23:23... Obedience is better than sacrifice.. Am done debating this issue

Which tithing did Jesus support; the system you practice today or what the Law specified?

Obedience to what? The New Covenant is what we are to walk in obedience of, AND it did not come into effect until after the death of Jesus (see the book of Hebrews).

A man can SINCERELY drink a colourless and odorless poison as water but sincerity will not save him from the consequence.

A genuine heart should say: How does God want me to GIVE under the New Covenant?

You claim that because you give you're blessed. Those who don't give say they are bleseed. So?

petra1:
Yes o

"Since there is one bread, we [believers] who are many are [united into] one body; for we all partake of the one bread [which represents the body of Christ]."
1 CORINTHIANS 10:17 AMP

We must not forget the fact that differences in opinion does not remove from the FACT that we still belong to one body.

Now, chew on this:
The New Covenant is ALL about Jesus.
Not Jesus plus Melchi.
Not Jesus plus the Law.
Jesus, as our forerunner and highpriest showed the blueprint.
Jesus's death brought into effect the New Covenant with its BETTER PROMISES.
Jesus inaugurated a "New and Living way" for the Christian.
"New" means "New"
The "New" summarized in one word is - GRACE!

But, "today if you hear his voice" that you're under the "New and Living way" and you still "harden your heart" by choosing to return to the old and obsolete way then there remains nothing that can be done for you.

TITHING IS INSIGNIFICANT in the New and Living way in Christ Jesus.

hardasan:
Am I a farmer ? I earn cash and it's pure logic that I should tithe in cash.

Abraham gave the tenth part of all after the slaughter of Kings to Melchizedech, Jacob vowed to sacrifice the tenth part of all his increase on an altar as he didn't know of any priest of God. This type of tithing predates the levitical priesthood and since there's a change in the law back to the manner of Melchizedech's priesthood, this form of tithing still stands.

Are you waiting in the shadows, for a good reason to quote me ? Or are you quoting me to know ?

I see! So it's now a matter of "pure logic"

Should human logic or expediency rather than divine instructions guide the way we give or live our Christian life?

See what the Bible says:
Colossians 2:8:
"Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ."

If you wish to leave CHRIST out and go back to live your life under Melchi that is your choice.

Abraham DID NOT tithe money even though money EXISTED in his time. Remember he made some purchases with money?

Jacob DID NOT tithe money.

The Mosaic Law DID NOT specify money EVEN THOUGH MONEY EXISTED then.

So, if you want to use "pure logic" to determine how to do yours go ahead. Like they say: "It's a free world!"

hardasan:
NO IT DOESN'T !!!
Please interprète: You should have practiced the latter without neglecting the former

Jesus said they were tithing AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE and even then as show-off.

Do you hardasan tithe agricultural produce today? NO!

Do you EMPHASIZE the weightier matters over and above tithing today? NO!

So, where did you get what you claim to be doing today as TITHING?

CERTAINLY NOT from Jesus.

Scholar8200:
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:20-22
So, the Father is the HusbandMan. If we abide in faith, we are established; if we don't HE will cut us off!

In context Romans chapter 11 is talking about Israel and the Church.

It is not about INDIVIDUAL believers.

Romans 11:1a - "I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means!"

Romans 11:11 - "Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious."

Romans 11:26 - "and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

Romans 11:28-29 - "As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable."

Romans 11:33 -"Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!"

Israel as a nation failed to fulfil God's plan for her and she was replaced by the Church. If the Church fails she too can be replaced as God's agent to the fallen world.