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 Christianity Etc › Re: Response To Tithe Issue By A Nairalander by plainbibletruth: 10:53pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
petra1:Petra1, How did Jesus's LIFESTYLE compare to that of his disciples? How did the Apostle's lifestyles compare to that of their followers? Do we see the WIDE DISPARITY we see today between many of today's church leaders and followers? If a Pastor is given a billion by members and within his congregation there are those of low means does it make sense for him to live in opulence and those other ones in squalor? Would Jesus or the Apostles have chosen to live on affluence when some in their congregation live from hand to mouth? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 8:01pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
Eternal Principle? We need to be clear about something. To say tithing is eternal means it existed before human history. There is simply no evidence for this. Tithing is not eternal in the way that God is eternal. There would have been no tithe before men or angels existed. So, tithing has not "eternally" existed. Tithing started at a point in time in human history. Even if by "eternal principle" they mean that tithing has been a requirement from the very beginning of human history, how does that make it a thing for all generations? We have shown that a covenant as seriously regarded as CIRCUMCISION is no longer binding on the Christian. We have shown that the EPISTLES show clearly how Christians gave and directives for giving. Pro-tithers like Petra1, on the other hand, HAVE NOT been able to show where it is said under the New Covenant that the Christian should tithe or even explain CLEARLY what they mean by "eternal principle". Brandishing words or phrases that convey nothing do not resolve issues in the hearts of people. In response to people pointing out the CORRECT Biblical position on TITHING many pulpits resort to emotional blackmail of these people without Scriptural backing or justification. Where scripture is quoted it is TWISTED to make it mean what the pulpit wants. Shouting condemnation and warnings for church members to ignore questions and comments on TITHING clarifies nothing. For too long self-glorified 'Men of God' have arrogated to themselves a level of authority that has not been given to them by their master. In fact many of them do not see themselves or live lives that show that they are ACCOUNTABLE to any master. 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by plainbibletruth: 7:56pm On Nov 13, 2017 |
Eternal Principle? We need to be clear about something. To say tithing is eternal means it existed before human history. There is simply no evidence for this. Tithing is not eternal in the way that God is eternal. There would have been no tithe before men or angels existed. So, tithing has not "eternally" existed. Tithing started at a point in time in human history. Even if by "eternal principle" they mean that tithing has been a requirement from the very beginning of human history, how does that make it a thing for all generations? We have shown that a covenant as seriously regarded as CIRCUMCISION is no longer binding on the Christian. We have shown that the EPISTLES show clearly how Christians gave and directives for giving. Pro-tithers like Petra1, on the other hand, HAVE NOT been able to show where it is said under the New Covenant that the Christian should tithe or even explain CLEARLY what they mean by "eternal principle". Brandishing words or phrases that convey nothing do not resolve issues in the hearts of people. In response to people pointing out the CORRECT Biblical position on TITHING many pulpits resort to emotional blackmail of these people without Scriptural backing or justification. Where scripture is quoted it is TWISTED to make it mean what the pulpit wants. Shouting condemnation and warnings for church members to ignore questions and comments on TITHING clarifies nothing. For too long self-glorified 'Men of God' have arrogated to themselves a level of authority that has not been given to them by their master. In fact many of them do not see themselves or live lives that show that they are ACCOUNTABLE to any master. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 8:11am On Nov 13, 2017 |
When Pastors REFUSE to CLEARLY make their congregations understand the Biblical position on TITHING they are being EVIL. When monetary BENEFITS becomes the overriding reason for KEEPING QUIET on an issue that impacts many lives they are not being good overseers of the flock of God. In so doing, they have, in fact placed themselves in OPPOSITION to their Lord and Master who was ALWAYS pointing out ERRORS and directing his listeners and disciples to the truth. Why have these Pastors not EMPHASIZED the early Church's example when it comes to giving? Why are they NEVER able to buttress their stand with the EPISTLES? When Pastors like Petra1 who train in seminary and theological schools for years on how to study the Bible cannot now come up with CLEAR explanation to their flock, (and in a forum such as this resort to EVASIVE tactics) it shows that there is indeed a dearth of true understanding of the Word of God and the Christian way of life in particular. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 6:20pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
pascal558:What EXACTLY are you trying to say? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 8:35am On Nov 12, 2017 |
petra1:Those of you who put forward the "eternal principle" argument for TITHING apparently do so because deep in you you know that the Mosaic Law NO LONGER applies to the Christian. You also know how the Law prescribed what is to be tithed and how. You're therefore seeking a ground to make your insistence on tithing relevant. For starters, there is no such phrase as "eternal principle(s)" in the Bible. So, you people need to come out clear as to what you mean by this phrase and WHY and HOW it applies to the Church. What is clear from the Bible is that God has ALWAYS revealed how he wants to deal with man at any period in human history. Is it possible that this "eternal principle", if it is as critical as these people are claiming it to be (can bring curse on Christians, deny people entrance into heaven, give people stupendous wealth and blessings), was missed out by the Apostles when dealing with the Church and writing the New Testament? I therefore CHALLENGE you who claim that TITHING is an eternal principle to SHOW us where it is clearly said to still be applicable to today's Christian. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What The Bible Says About Tithing by plainbibletruth: 9:33pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
That a thing is "Biblical" (if by that is meant it is in the Bible) DOES NOT NECESSARILY mean it is for the Christian. That very many Christians don't seem to understand this shows how starved God's sheep have been. The book of Hebrews is so CLEAR that the New Covenant Jesus Christ brought is DIFFERENT and SUPERIOR to every other system INCLUDING that which came through Moses - Judaism. So, when Christians keep going back to the "old" to justify their emotional attachments to "works" for salvation or rewards it is simply very unfortunate. When Christians CLOSE their eyes to how the early church conducted its affairs; including examples and instructions on giving and are running back to the old - whether pre-law or under the Law - it shows a generation with itching ears seeking only what will EXCITE them. When Martin Luther objected to what the church was doing during his day (the 500th year of which we're celebrating this year 2017) and POINTED to the New Testament to show how the Church had deviated from the Word, many opposed him. How dare he "attack" the 'Men of God' who were working by 'Apostolic' authority. That same scenario is here with us today! Many will attack Christians who are using A SUPERIOR AUTHORITY - the Bible - to question man's positions on matters of doctrine. They have placed man at par with the Word of God, if not even on a higher level. What brought about the first conference (COUNCIL) of the Church? It this same issue of whether the "old" was required of the Christian or not. And what the Holy Spirit's answer? The Christian is excluded from the "old". Therefore when today's Christian refuses to stand in the liberty into which Christ has set him free he only entangles himself with a yoke of bondage. A bondage that his "deliverance sessions" can never set him free from. Any one who chooses to run his Christian life by EVEN one aspect of the "old" is under obligation and required to keep the whole of the "old". (GALATIANS 5:3). Infact such a one has been severed from Christ, who seeks to be in right standing with God through the "old" (and anything in it like TITHING), and has fallen from grace (GALATIANS 5:4). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 9:23pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
That a thing is "Biblical" (if by that is meant it is in the Bible) DOES NOT NECESSARILY mean it is for the Christian. That very many Christians don't seem to understand this shows how starved God's sheep have been. The book of Hebrews is so CLEAR that the New Covenant Jesus Christ brought is DIFFERENT and SUPERIOR to every other system INCLUDING that which came through Moses - Judaism. So, when Christians keep going back to the "old" to justify their emotional attachments to "works" for salvation or rewards it is simply very unfortunate. When Christians CLOSE their eyes to how the early church conducted its affairs; including examples and instructions on giving and are running back to the old - whether pre-law or under the Law - it shows a generation with itching ears seeking only what will EXCITE them. When Martin Luther objected to what the church was doing during his day (the 500th year of which we're celebrating this year 2017) and POINTED to the New Testament to show how the Church had deviated from the Word, many opposed him. How dare he "attack" the 'Men of God' who were working by 'Apostolic' authority. That same scenario is here with us today! Many will attack Christians who are using A SUPERIOR AUTHORITY - the Bible - to question man's positions on matters of doctrine. They have placed man at par with the Word of God, if not even on a higher level. What brought about the first conference (COUNCIL) of the Church? It this same issue of whether the "old" was required of the Christian or not. And what the Holy Spirit's answer? The Christian is excluded from the "old". Therefore when today's Christian refuses to stand in the liberty into which Christ has set him free he only entangles himself with a yoke of bondage. A bondage that his "deliverance sessions" can never set him free from. Any one who chooses to run his Christian life by EVEN one aspect of the "old" is under obligation and required to keep the whole of the "old". (GALATIANS 5:3). Infact such a one has been severed from Christ, who seeks to be in right standing with God through the "old" (and anything in it like TITHING), and has fallen from grace (GALATIANS 5:4). 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 7:17pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1:The word "wisdom" has been so misused and misapplied that it has become a cover-up for many things. Now you're quoting a Bible passage to buttress your comment BUT when asked to provide same for your other positions you run away. You're applying "wisdom" I suppose. The truth is that you have NO COGENT ANSWER to give but because you are not humble enough to admit your error you resort to gimmicks. You know that many are reading this thread. Let's assume like you posit that posters are insincere why not for the sake of other readers provide answers and relevant portion of Scripture to back up your claim? Are you unwilling to let those SINCERE readers be given the right information? Are you SINCERE when you claim that tithing is a "SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLE" ? If so where did the Bible say that, and very CLEARLY can you explain what is meant by "SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLE"? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 9:52am On Nov 11, 2017 |
THEY HAVE NO ANSWER!! When on an issue as this Petra1 & company resort to banters instead of giving clear replies it simply shows that they have no answer. When someone says "show me tithe here or there" and their response "show me marriage or toothbrush " then it is clear that no answer is forthcoming. When "Pastors" do not seem to understand types and shadows in scripture and clear ENGLISH words can't be understood by them not to talk of Hebrew or Greek then it may be impossible for them to answer even BASICS of Christianity. The bottm line is this: they have no answer to justify their FLEECING of the Sheep and will one day give an account to him whom they have failed to follow. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 7:41am On Nov 11, 2017 |
petra1:What is laughable is when some, like you, take portions of the Bible and feel they can use it to support tithing in the church. That is what is insult to God and stupid . Whatever the number of types of tithes in Israel or before Israel, the issue today is: DO THEY APPLY TO THE CHURCH TODAY? Diverting attention away from the CORE issue and now focusing on number of tithes or how they were done smacks of DECEIT. There is NO priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testament. What we have in the New Testament is THE PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. Jesus's priesthood SUPERSEDES any and ALL the other Priesthoods prior to it including that of Melchizedek. The New Testament has prescribed how to further the Gospel; and it NOT through tithes. There is NO WHERE in the New Testament where the Christian is asked to tithe ACCORDING to Abraham's: No where! 14 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by plainbibletruth: 7:04pm On Nov 10, 2017 |
petra11. If a pastor says a Christian is cursed if he doesn't tithe and you think that does not amount to calling tithing mandatory then something is wrong somewhere. 2. Your comment on Abraham tithing from his wealth and earning is MERE speculation; you're going beyond what is stated in Scripture. That is simply your imagination!!! petra1:Whao!! You mean you see money used as tithes in these passages you quoted? No wonder! The CONCLUSION of the matter is this: The Christian is under a NEW COVENANT that is SUPERIOR to ANY COVENANT before it. The modus vivendi and modus operandi of the New Covenant is DIFFERENT from the former systems - pre-law or under the Law. The GAME PLAN for the Christian way of life under the New Covenant is CLEARLY spelt out in the EPISTLES. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by plainbibletruth: 4:09pm On Nov 10, 2017 |
1.It is clear that Abraham's tithe was spoils of war which he gave AFTER he was blessed by Melchizedek. Nothing here suggests that it was MANDATORY for him to have done that. 2. The statement by the Pharisee in Luke 18 in CONTEXT was made out of ARROGANCE and reference to tithing income shows how the Pharisees, like many pastors of today, go beyond God's prescriptions to do their own thing. Jesus fought them on many occasions on this point. Using the very same Pharisees that Jesus CONDEMNED to justify monetary tithing is, to say the least, deceitful. 3. The prescribed tithe in Israel was for the support of the Levites. The Levites were to OWN NO LAND. Therefore part of the PRODUCE OF THE LAND by other Israelites were to be given to them. There was no "SPIRITUAL" connotation attached to it. 4. Israel as the people of God was a NATIONAL ENTITY. The church today is a SPIRITUAL ENTITY without geographical boundaries. Rightly dividing the Word should mean that Pastors should teach and APPLY this truth correctly. 5. Jesus's priesthood IS SUPERIOR TO ANY that existed prior to it. And this INCLUDES that of Melchizedek. The reference in Hebrews comparing Jesus's priesthood to Melchizedek was ONLY to point out SIMILARITY and not EQUALITY. 6. The book of Hebrews was therefore clear that "For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also." (Heb 7:12). There is no reference here to returning to either a "pre-law" or "eternal principles"(whatever that means). It simply stated that "The law MUST be changed" showing that a NEW SYSTEM is introduced NOT a return to ANY OF the previous systems. 7. One thing Pastors today REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND EMPHASIZE is that EVERY BELIEVER is a priest with EQUAL STANDING before God. Yes there are differing gifts resulting in different OFFICES but NO believer is SUPERIOR to another. A pastor who fails in his assigned position will end up with NOTHING - wood, hay & stubble - in eternity while the ordinary believer who becomes a winner in life (overcomer) will possess wealth beyond measure - gold, silver & precious stones - in eternity. The New Testament is CLEAR as to how the Christian is to give and how ministers are to be supported. Examples abound in the New Testament as to how believers gave and directives for giving. Going beyond what the New Covenant prescribes is entangling the believer in a yoke of bondage. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The False Doctrine Of Once Saved, Always Saved by plainbibletruth: 9:00am On Nov 10, 2017 |
Scholar8200:See what Jesus Christ declared: “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the person who hears My word [the one who heeds My message], and believes and trusts in Him who sent Me, has (possesses now) eternal life [that is, eternal life actually begins--the believer is transformed], and does not come into judgment and condemnation, but has passed [over] from death into life. JOHN 5:24 AMP Note: "has eternal life"; "does not come into judgement and condemnation"; "has passed from death into life" Jesus answered, “This is the work of God: that you believe [adhere to, trust in, rely on, and have faith] in the One whom He has sent.” JOHN 6:29 AMP Note: "work" required by God is "that you believe in the One whom he has sent" All that My Father gives Me will come to Me; and the one who comes to Me I will most certainly not cast out [I will never, never reject anyone who follows Me]. JOHN 6:37 AMP Note: The one who comes to Christ is NEVER cast out. And I give them eternal life, and they will never, ever [by any means] perish; and no one will ever snatch them out of My hand. JOHN 10:28 AMP Note: No one will EVER snatch the believer out of Christ's hand. They will be perpetually "in him". My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. JOHN 10:29 AMP Note: No one means "no one" - all inclusive. Not the believer himself or anyone else. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The False Doctrine Of Once Saved, Always Saved by plainbibletruth: 7:58pm On Nov 08, 2017 |
joshnes:Joshnes, Most times it is necessary to look at an entire chapter or even chapters of the Bible in order to get a clearer picture of a doctrinal position. However since we may not have the luxury of time and space here let me give a short answer. "If they shall fall away" is not referring to salvation but it is referring to the moving away from the Christian way of life into Judaism. Hebrews 6:1 tells us that the writer is speaking about things that follow salvation. This portion is simply stating to Hebrew (Jewish) believers that if they "fall away" into Judaistic reliance on animal sacrifices they cannot be brought back into fellowship with God (which comes alone through repentance - 1 John 1:9) and were by relying on those animal sacrifices attempting to crucify afresh Jesus Christ. I trust that helps. The basis of Gods accepting a person and forgiving a sinner is clearly, upon what Jesus Christ did on the cross. No merit on the part of man brought it about. After salvation the believer continues to be inadequate. (1 John 1:8. ) To claim then that man needs to continue to "merit" the GIFT of God means that it was not a gift in the first place. When a person by faith believes and receives Christ as their Saviour that person has eternal life and salvation being eternal it cannot be lost. NO ONE merits salvation. How then can any merit on man's part sustain it? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The False Doctrine Of Once Saved, Always Saved by plainbibletruth: 4:18pm On Nov 08, 2017 |
Emmanystone:I asked some questions but you appear to run away from them. If this kind of topic is not followed systematically there is the tendency to get muddled up in irrelevances. Christ came to resolve man's INADEQUACY. If we now turn round to say that the INADEQUATE man can or must do something in order to sustain Christ's work then what we are saying is that SALVATION ultimately depends on man's efforts. If I'm getting you wrong clarify things for me by answering this question: "How can the receiver (man) lose the GIFT of salvation? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The False Doctrine Of Once Saved, Always Saved by plainbibletruth: 7:47am On Nov 07, 2017 |
Emmanystone:You keep doing one thing: ASSUMING what I have NOT said or what IS NOT in a Bible passage. I think when that happens it does not make for a right understanding of any particular issue. Go back all I've written and ask if they line up with Scripture. If so understand them. Then if there are questions the next step would be how can they be resolved. Like you, I can come up with ALL KINDS of rationalisation. I can argue that the man who goes back was never "in Christ" in the first place. I can ADD other claims but that would be working from my assumed answer to derive my solution. I am not, and wouldn't do that. The issue always should be 'what is the Scripture saying?' Are there things we can put together line upon line, precept upon precept to arrive at this position ALL THE TIME? That is why it is better that an issue like we are looking at is not just taken at the surface level but in depth. For starters let's take this question and look at it: "If man's HOLINESS or INTEGRITY is required to add to Christ's work on the cross to qualify man for heaven, 1.was Christ's work a PARTIAL work of salvation needing man to FILL UP or COMPLETE? 2. what degree or measure of holiness is required and how do we determine its qualification or the pass Mark as it were? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The False Doctrine Of Once Saved, Always Saved by plainbibletruth: 10:42pm On Nov 06, 2017 |
Emmanystone:I still stress that there is the need to UNDERSTAND what EXACTLY the Scripture means by the WORDS and PHRASES used rather than read our ASSUMED meaning into them. Salvation is God's gift Eph. 2:8. God's gifts are never recalled: "for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable." Rom.11:29 God remains faithful even when man is unfaithful 2 Tim. 2:13 -"if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself." Salvation, which comes to any man because of God's mercy and NOT any GOOD WORK on the part of man CANNOT be sustained by man's work, otherwise that would be CONTRADICTORY. Titus 3:4-7. When God gives a guarantee he stands by it. Eph. 1:14 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The False Doctrine Of Once Saved, Always Saved by plainbibletruth: 5:29pm On Nov 06, 2017 |
Emmanystone:These days WORDS and phrases are brandished without users knowing clearly what those words mean exactly. So, coming to what you wrote, what exactly is meant by each of the following?: 1. "Those who will not overcome" 2. "Those who draw back" 3. "Backsliding" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The False Doctrine Of Once Saved, Always Saved by plainbibletruth: 12:14am On Nov 06, 2017 |
Emmanystone:We must be careful to ensure that our interpretation of a text is what the text says, without going beyond what the text says and drawing conclusions based on inference, suggestion, or the like. Rev. 3:5 ‘He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. "The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels." Notice carefully what Jesus says and what He doesn't say. Jesus clearly says that they will be dressed in white and He will not erase the believer's name, and will acknowledge the same before the Father and his angels. Jesus never says He will erase a believer's name. The only solid conclusion we can draw from Revelation 3:5 is that those who overcome will not have their names removed from the book of life and Christ will declare those same names before God and His angels. To conclude anything else – especially to conclude the exact opposite -- is go beyond what the text states into the arena of error and confusion 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The False Doctrine Of Once Saved, Always Saved by plainbibletruth: 7:27pm On Nov 05, 2017 |
The plain truth is this: Salvation is ENTIRELY God's work. Any belief to the contrary is an affront to the matchless grace of God. Anyone who says that man MUST do something or ADD SOMETHING to make God's work complete is the one that is teaching a doctrine from the father of lies. ********** These are pertinent questions/issues: 1. Can the "New creation" (2 Cor. 5:17) be destroyed? 2. Will God "un-declare" what in his righteousness he has previously declared justified (Rom. 5:1)? 3. Does eternal life (John 3:16) not mean eternal? 4. Will God go back on his promise and cancel the deposit that guarantees eternal life (Eph. 1:13-14)? ******** 1. Salvation is not what a person works for. Salvation is a GIFT from God. 2. For the Christian to lose his salvation then he has to be: Un-born again Un-redeemed Un-justified Separated from the love of God God's seal of guarantee removed God's FREE GIFT withdrawn Un-etc, etc. 3. If a sin-free life is NECESSARY for salvation, AND that can only be known when a person lives "sin-free" at the point of death, then NOBODY can truly say he is "SAVED" yet and perhaps not really until in eternity. 4. Since sin is "whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it" James 2:10 THEN even ONE SIN disqualifies anyone from claiming a sin-free life. 5. In other words, a person who fails to KEEP one single command of God is GUILTY of sin and will not be considered HOLY before God. 6. SIN is not just murder, adultery, lying, and obvious sins that people usually look at. SIN is both a nature and exists even in thought - "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matt. 5:28. How many Christians can claim they do not sin "in their hearts"? 7. Again, for example, how many Christians can HONESTLY CLAIM to obey Philippians 2: 3-4 "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others." 8. How many Christians "value others above" themselves? How many Christians look to "the interests of the others"? How many can SINCERELY answer in the affirmative to these two questions? And these are God's instructions for the Christian. 10. Therefore to the extent that a Christian FAILS to obey a SINGLE instruction of God - even this: "be anxious for nothing" (Phil. 4:6) - to that extent the Christian has SINNED. Because he has DISOBEYED God's word. And EVERY disobedience is sin. 11. So ANY CHRISTIAN who thinks he qualifies for eternity with God because he lived a sin-free life must be PERFECT! 12. Salvation is therefore either a GIFT through and through or else impossible for man to work for or attain on a basis that INCLUDES man's merit. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The False Doctrine Of Once Saved, Always Saved by plainbibletruth: 10:41pm On Nov 04, 2017 |
Clevergeo:WHERE did you get all these FACTS from? I think there the need to be TRUTHFUL in presenting issues to avoid damnation oneself. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Injeel Of Eesa Corrupted Or Must Be Obeyed by plainbibletruth: 7:10am On Nov 03, 2017 |
shittufarukumar:Predictably Mohammedan! Chew on this about Jesus: “For God so loved and dearly priced the world, that He gave His uniquely born Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him (as Saviour) shall not perish, but have eternal life. John3:16 His offer still stands today: “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavily burdened [by religious rituals that provide no peace], and I will give you rest [refreshing your souls with salvation]. Matt. 11:28. This offer is the ONLY way to eternity with God: "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Injeel Of Eesa Corrupted Or Must Be Obeyed by plainbibletruth: 11:43pm On Nov 02, 2017 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Injeel Of Eesa Corrupted Or Must Be Obeyed by plainbibletruth: 10:28pm On Nov 02, 2017 |
shittufarukumar:At the end of the day what you portray here is that your lifestyle is that of jesting. Your religion does not really place any serious demand on you. So, ridiculing others to cause them pain doesn't matter in your religion. To you, once you fulfil the pillars of Islam, you can do pretty much ANY other atrocity. Love and integrity in Islam are a distant second to self indulgence. The MOTIVE for the God of Israel's action in any situation is always DIFFERENT from the motives of the Allah of Mohamed. And this is a major issue. Take up ANY issue by the two of them and look at the MOTIVES then you will see a wide gap between the two. That is where the difference lies! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Injeel Of Eesa Corrupted Or Must Be Obeyed by plainbibletruth: 9:10pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
shittufarukumar:Answer what? The last i know you were the one who was still unable to answer. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Injeel Of Eesa Corrupted Or Must Be Obeyed by plainbibletruth: 9:06pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
shittufarukumar:Answer what? |
| Islam › Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by plainbibletruth: 9:05pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Empiree:Background Israel is God’s covenant people. God’s plan was for Israel to send his message to the rest of the world. God’s plan was also for the Saviour to come through Israel. If he was accepted by Israel, the people will then carry his message to the rest of the world. God had promised as far back as Abraham that through him ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH will be blessed. The seed of Abraham that was to be a blessing and mercy to all mankind is Jesus Christ. Fulfilment When Jesus came therefore, he was to present himself first to Israel. If they had accepted him AS A NATION his message of salvation would then be preached by his followers (not necessarily by himself) to other people. They rejected him en mass, as a result he instituted the church which he still gave the same mandate to: “… you will be my witnesses both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and Samaria, and even to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8 So, Jesus was right in saying that he was primarily to Israel. Yet his message was for all the world. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Injeel Of Eesa Corrupted Or Must Be Obeyed by plainbibletruth: 6:14pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
shittufarukumar:I see you're coming up under a new moniker! |
| Islam › Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by plainbibletruth: 5:57pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Empiree:NOTHING in that verse says it is restricted to time. See other sayings of Jesus: “For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life. JOHN 3:16 AMP Once more Jesus addressed the crowd. He said, “ I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.” JOHN 8:12 AMP Did you notice 'the world' in these two verses? Jesus was sent to ALL THE WORLD but Islam's prophet wanted to claim that for himself and twisted things. |
| Islam › Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by plainbibletruth: 4:34pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Empiree:The truth: Jesus said to him, “ I am the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. JOHN 14:6 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Injeel Of Eesa Corrupted Or Must Be Obeyed by plainbibletruth: 4:11pm On Nov 01, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:Even when you're running away from commenting yourself? |
