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Prefabricated Container Classrooms In china.They can be put together like lego to form a full school.

Container school in Germany

container schools in latin America

olabukola:
B4 you think of such housing in Nigeria, you have to put many things in place first. Such estate need general sewage not individual "suck away pit". regular water supply not individual bore hole. Climatic condition(Irrespective of how you insulate it from heat the condition wun't be leavable without air condition) that brings in regular power supply.

I agree with your observation.I am sure our Governments in the SW are capable of setting up a feasibility study commission that can easily determine what is required and how it can be obtained.If the estates are to based in new areas,it is the responsibility of the Government to build sustainable sewage systems,The standard insulation paint which is being used was designed in conjunction with NASA.This is the same type of insulation used on space shuttles to prevent it from burning up when re-entering the earth's atmosphere.I am sure Nigeria is not as hot as the atmospheric barrier between space and earth's surface.The insulation is capable of protecting the inhabitants from extreme heat on the exterior,it is also fire proof which make it safer than cement and wood.The issue of air conditioning does not arise as the insulation as taken care of that.A simple table or standing can easily cool the interiors of the container homes.

Regular water supply can be provided if the Government build a micro water station to service the entire area.Each container home can be powered by individual solar panels.Solar energy has evolved over the last decade and there are several mini solar solutions available on the market today.Alternatively ,the government can pass power line underground via the sewage system like it is done in the US and festac if i am not mistaken.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8233020#msg8233020 date=1304153551]So if we wanted to do this for low-income people, what would the strategy be?

What type of homes should we look for using the 40 foot container? 40 foot container is 8 feet wide, so you have 320 sq ft of space.

What should a basic 320 sq ft home look like? What are the basic, mandatory amenities? Should they basically be studios (single bathroom, kitchenette, single room that is both bedroom and living room)? One bedroom in this 320 sq ft? Two bedrooms?

I think we should focus on a single basic design that will appear to the masses and figure out how it can be mostly cheaply made.[/quote]In order for the Government to do this they need to first of all source containers at very low costs.Shipping companies usually sell containers that have been in service for up more than 12 years at dirt cheap prices to steel recycling companies.The Government could negotiate a deal with these shipping companies to source a lot of old shipping container for housing use.Once this is done ,then we can move on to designing the units.

When designing the units ,we need to consider the various group of people that fall in to the low income category.From my own perspective ,i will classify them as thus :

A - Bachelors,Young couples with kids & students
B - Young Couples with up to 4 Kids

I know some of the poor people in Nigeria tend to have more kids than they can take care of.Some low income families may have up to 8 kids which they share a single room with.The government will have to make special plans for families like this.It will be wrong to allow overcrowding in the container houses because it will lead to the estate or complex becoming over populated and filthy.


[size=20pt]Group A - Bachelors ,Young couples without kids & Students[/size]

They can build studios with a 40 feet container for bachelors and student and stack them on top of each up to 5 floors to form a complex.These studios will feature an open plan lounge and kitchen,a closed bathroom and open bed space.

They can build 1 bedroom units with a 40 feet container for young couples without kids and stack them on top of each other up to 5 floors to form a complex.Like the picture of the french complex above.The 1 bedroom units will feature an open plan lounge and kitchen,an closed bathroom and a lockable bedroom.


[size=20pt]Group B - Couple with up to 4 kids[/size]

They can use two 40 feet container welded together to create a 3 bedroom home.Please take a look at the floor plans on the first page.The home will feature one or two closed bathrooms, closed bedrooms,closed kitchen and large lounge.


Obviously fitting and finishing will determine how much these homes will cost.The Government will have to use cheap materials to ensure that the homes remain affordable.

Shipping containers have been used for housing as far back as the 1990s.Belwo is a 2006 video of an Australia man who pioneered container housing in Victoria, Canada.


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I however still feel that Malaysian or Chinese fitters/fabricators will be way cheaper than European fitters.

It seems that a lot of people especially in hurricane prone areas in the US and Asia are oting for container homes.Just take a look at the cottage below ,who would have guess that it was built with containers?

This is one website you guys should look at.They provide homes for those who earn middle to high income. http://www.sgblocks.com/

sbeezy8:
i heard theyre selling in SA and kenya

I heard there is project which they were looking at starting in on container housing in SA but i can't find a link to it.However there a few companies that already sell those container fabricated homes.Here is their website : http://www.mobilehomes.co.za/aboutus.htm  .I am not sure if the project will ever kick off in South Africa because the Government already provides very cheap subsidized homes to the poor .These home are called RDP houses,i have attached a picture below to show you what they look like.They are very small but a house is house.

I don't ave any information about containers homes in kenya.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8231950#msg8231950 date=1304126607]What? Why would a giant steel box not be durable? What happens to them? Should be able to last forever, no?

Do you have some reference discussing this lifespan issue? I don't see why they wouldn't be more durable than your average wooden/brick home.[/quote]In regards to container life span,here is what one articule has to say about it :



"The cargo containers, with a life span of about 20 years when used for their original purpose, have an "infinite life span" when stationary and properly maintained," Kalkin says. "To me they are like a treasured antique: they may not be inherently valuable, but the history and the storytelling add value."


In regards to strength , here is what the same articlue has to say about it :

According to KPFF Consulting, a structural engineering firm in St. Louis with extensive experience working with shipping containers, the units are stronger than conventional house framing because of their resistance to "lateral loads" -- those seen in hurricanes and earthquakes -- and because steel is basically welded to steel. The roof is strong enough to support the extra weight of a green roof - which has vegetation growing on it - if the owner should want it.


Here is the link to the Article:

http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/articles/containers.htm

These corrupt politicians can buy all the armored cars they want in the world but that won't save them from the South African made Denel-Mechem NTW-20mm Anti-Tank Sniper Rifle.It cuts through Armored passengers vehicles like knife through butter. It is a mini artillery gun.


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Here is a link to a short article of how the gun was designed and a picture a car that was hit with a 20mm non explosive rounds.

http://www.vincelewis.net/20mm.html


Now that is a big a.s.s gun,just make sure you have your $15,000 or so to buy it.


Below is the man who designed the gun.

feelgood:
Chief, Dr, Professor Lakasegbe,
Architect Johnbull, mnim, fellow(inst. of Highrise Architects)
H.D lapalapa, D.Sc, P.hd (Honoris Causa), pfc, psc, JP (for Jerusalem Pilgrim)
Alhaji (Dr) Bature Shinkafa; Fmr Minister of Petroleum, out-going Executive Governor of Gambari State,
Igwe Ewu Beke, Ogbuefi 1 of Mgbadaland
Barrister (High Chief) Kokori Okoripoto, B.L, LL.M, SAN, QC; Defender of the People
Accountant Otolorin, GCE, A'levels, B.Sc, M.Sc, P.Hd, D.Sc, Fellow(Institute of Husslers)
His Gracious Eminence, Bishop (Dr) Papa God Dey; Founder, Owner and Presiding Bishop Of Church of Miracles

Do you know of others not mentioned?

I'm yet to learn of Barrister Barak Obama or Lawyer Hillary Clinton - except of course I'm missing something.

Sigh, The Guardian newspapers at it's launch decried this craze and tried to adhere to addressing everyone by simply 'Mr' or Ms/Mrs. They failed.

WHY ARE WE SO ADDICTED TO TITLES?

Your friend,

Feelgood
(Poster,NL,FB,Twitter)

You took the words out of my mind.Almost every Nigerian male i meet these days is a Chief or  a prince.Honestly it is so annoying.South Africans make fun of us Nigerians here.One of my SA friends once jockingly told me that he believes all N50 million Nigerians come from a royal family.Even the Nigerian quack pastors refer to themselves as Dr .

The other day i was at the Nigerian embassy to renew my passport and this clueless  started preaching even though we were told to remain silent.After his sermon a lady asked him what his name was and if he had a ministry,he replied in his own words " I am Dr Evangelist Micheal okonkwo of the blessing Light ministries INTERNATIONAL" . I immediately burst out in to laughter and everybody started staring at me like i was crazy.I just couldn't help it,the guy was so ridiculous.One look at him and i could tell he was just a guy-man pastor,his sermon was total crap and made no sense whatsoever.


Even when i go to the Nigerian restaurant where i normally get my weekly dose of Nigerian food, i see a lot of these uneducated riff raffs walking from their car into the restaurant with their protruding bellies while their minions trailing them are hailing them as thus "chief ,chairman, otunba ,Alhaji ,dangote ,ezego,abiola ,Doctor,Attorney,maga must pay,igwe, regional coordinator.They make me sick to my stomach because they sound so silly and mentally underdeveloped.

I believe it stems from poor upbringing and inferiority complex. Most Nigerians feel that if they have not attached a title to their name they won't appear important to other people.

A Simple example of this ridiculous mentality is the way the Nigerian president is introduced as compared to the way The US president is inroduced to the public.

In the white House when they are introducing  obama ,the announcer simply says: Ladies and Gentlmen ,the president of the United States ,Barack Obama

In Aso rock or Abuja the story is the different ,the announcer will say: Ladies and gentlemen ,honorable distinguished members of the senate, distinguished members of the ruling party,foreign dignitaries ,members of the press and viewers at home ,i present to you the grand commander of the federal republic,Guardian of the niger ,commander in chief of the armed forces, ggg,ccc,vvv, ttt, ftt,professor ,dr ,President Ebele Azikwe Goodluck Jonathan.

This bullsh*t pisses me off to the bone.Why can we just keep it simple,why the carnival?  

Container Residential Apartment Building - France.

Container Residential Apartment Building - France.

Container Residential Apartment Building - France.

Container Residential Apartment Building - France.

Container Residential Apartment Building - France.

Container Residential Apartment Building - France.

Container Residential Apartment Building - France.

Container Residential Apartment Building - France.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8229804#msg8229804 date=1304098265]^--- See my second edit above. You might want to google and call your local companies too, see how much they are charging.[/quote]Ok i will do that tomorrow,i am based in Johannesburg which is landlocked.Durban is where SA's busiest sea ports are so i will call some of those Durban shipping companies tomorrow to find out the prices.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8229718#msg8229718 date=1304097412]ERR, let's not derail this thread into North/South bullsh1t. Housing only.


@Playmode: I just called a few companies around my area, the containers cost quite a bit more than I thought. Used 20 footer is $2600, used 40 footer is $3700. From this, it basically makes no sense to do any projects involving 20 footers, I think. . . everything should be 40 footer if you want to save money.

EDIT: I called exactly 2 companies, not "a few." So maybe shopping around more would give better results. But I'm wondering if steel prices have gone up or something, so those old prices listed on these sites might not be as accurate. Or maybe I'm just in the wrong location, where there aren't many used containers available.[/quote]Wow that is a little bit high.Hopefully you can get it cheaper elsewhere.Don't you think if Government was involved ,they will be able to get it cheaper especially if it is a mass order,maybe as low as $2000 for a 40 foot high cube container.Perhaps if the Ajaokuta steel project was complete ,they could just manufacture the containers locally to custom specifications.

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alj harem:
how much is a container please ?

It depends on where you are buying from.

Below there are the average values attained by shipping container prices:

Prices for purchasing new storage container: prices vary between $2,300 and 3,300;

prices for purchasing used shipping containers: starting from $500 and reaching the maximum of $2,500, depending on the degree to which the containers have been reconditioned.

In Nigeria i believe it should be cheaper,but once the Sea port agents/companies realize what people are using it for the price might skyrocket,naija style.That is my only fear.Only government can step in to regulate the price so that greedy businessmen do not turn this container option in to a rich people's only housing option.I remember when i was still in lagos ,many guys who used to import cars from Europe used to leave their shipping containers in their compounds or on the side of the street unattended.

I am sure if you drive around Lagos for example ,you will find a few shipping containers that were just abandoned.

Gekko:
Playmode, here is another website you can check out for unique housing ideas if aren't aware already,

http://inhabitat.com/

Nice one bro,please keep them coming ,all ideas are welcome. 

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8229361#msg8229361 date=1304093746]I'd like to see a breakdown of how they reached that $45 figure. Hmm

And what is the current cost like per square foot in say Nigeria, or the western world via traditional construction?[/quote]I will love to see that too,i will search for the company's details and write to them to provide me more details.I am not sure of what the current cost of house per square feet in Nigeria.I will like to use Mowe Ofada for the comparison as it is the most Affordable area in the Lagos - Ogun region.

Where is beaf by the way? He seems to have abandoned naiaraland since his boss has won.Maybe he has gone back to make cofee for GEJ .Beaf ,Aso Rock's waiter

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8229044#msg8229044 date=1304090073]@playmode: Keep posting here and answering people's questions. But at some point, you should write up an op-ed and submit it to a newspaper. Get this to Fashola and cos attention, let everyone in the SW become aware of the possibility and demand it from the government.

If we can meet this $5,000-10,000 price point for nice, modern homes, then that would be a wonderful, wonderful thing. That is a low enough price for a short mortgage scheme to become feasible.

Regarding land. . . remember the mighty land use act! Land can be found.[/quote]You are right bro,that is a very good idea.I try to do that.

You are also right about the mortgage scheme,our people deserve to start enjoying the real fruits of a genuine democracy.


Check out this massive house in Malaysia for middle income to higher income earners.It estimated to cost below $45 per square feet.

Here is the link to the article : http://www.containerhome.info/building-in-malaysia.html?show=slide

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You can get a lot info from this website : http://www.containerhome.info

Gekko:
Fascinating, so the answer is Supertherm Ceramic insulation that reflects heats. We have the most the resources to construct these structures and it will be perfect mobile clinics, shops etc. Good find!

Exactly ,let us just hope they are listening.They can't give us excuses when there are cheap solutions like these.

Ask your Governor to have a look at this thread.Container housing will provide affordable housing for the poor.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-656655.0.html

The transportation cost in naija are seriously shocking .Ekt-bear,i think you are right ,maybe we should just start with 150 mile per hr trains.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8228889#msg8228889 date=1304088839]Found this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRq4UJLqLDI

Amazing technology, lol[/quote]Thanks for sharing this video ,i agree amazing stuff.Anyways ,one won't expect anything less from NASA.

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[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8228301#msg8228301 date=1304082918]^-- You mean thus Gautrain stuff? High speed rail isn't going to be economical in naija, I don't think (or in most places in the world without massive subsidies.)

I think the best bet is to try to do 150-160 mile passenger rail using ordinary tracks that can also be used for freight.

Working on a feasibility study/newspaper piece with a friend of mine; hopefully this will get the ball rolling.

The container housing is not a bad idea though.

Can you give some more info? How big is a container? How much does it cost to acquire? How much to retrofit into a home? Etc, etc?

Finally, I thought it is usually land which is the lion's share of the cost of a home, not the actual physical structure.

Hrm, though with cheap container homes, you could replace slum/shanty towns with something clean and neat. Hrm. . .[/quote][quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8228497#msg8228497 date=1304085058]This is a brilliant idea. These containers are dirt cheap!

Why isn't it being done yet in naija?[/quote]You asked about the sizes of the container? Check out this link it should give some better insight to their sizes : http://www.foreign-trade.com/reference/ocean.cfm

In regards to fitting the containers,prices vary.If you are doing this by yourself ,it will depend on your taste ,architect and which fabricator is helping you to the fit the containers.If the Government wants to do this they will have to go for a cheaper option.What is impotent is the insulation of the containers to protect the inhabitants from heat,cold and static electricity.The fabricators in Malaysia are cheaper than the U.K fabricators but i have not spoken to those guys yet.You can see the second picture in my first post which features a family posing in front of their home in Thailand.I heard you can get a crib like that for under $10,000.Obviously if the government wants to do this ,they will build houses in mass numbers and the fabricators will of course offer them huge discount.

It will be nice if they can produce :

1 bedroom units and sell for around R500,000 (fully fitted with toiled ,kitchen e.t.c)

2 Bedroom units and sell for around R700,00 (fully fitted with Bathroom,Kitchen e.t.c)

3 Bedroom units and sell for around N1,000,000 (fully fitted with bathroom ,Kitchen e.t.c)


Obviously if the Government can bring in fabricators to set up a technical school where Nigerians can learn the trade,we will enjoy cheaper options in the near future.You know we Nigerians are fats learners.

The Governors collective Goal for the SW should be 1 Man, 1 House.This unit can also be powered by Solar panels so it does not need to be connected to the national Grid.This is eco friendly housing at its best.The major issue is LAND.Can the Government sell affordable lands ,i mean lands for like N20,000 ? A Government project of this nature should only be made available to people who have never owned any property before ,this will give the low income earners who never believed they will ever own a house life in their lives a chance to own one at a minimal cost.

P.S Have you ever thought Dolphinm estate in Ikhyi? I mean how the pr fabgricated walls look like container walls?  

Dolphin estate was a brilliant idea but it defeated its own purpose because it was not affordable.They have started manufacturing prefabricated container homes now in Europe but they are  also very expensive as compared to fitted shipping containers.Below are two videos i will like you to watch:

First Video : These guys ( www.urbanspace.com) are one of the pioneers of container housing and their buildings are relatively cheap to buy or rent:

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Second Video : These Container are built and fabricated from scratch.They are beautifully fitted but unfortunately expensive.

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[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=656655.msg8228301#msg8228301 date=1304082918]^-- You mean thus Gautrain stuff? High speed rail isn't going to be economical in naija, I don't think (or in most places in the world without massive subsidies.)

I think the best bet is to try to do 150-160 mile passenger rail using ordinary tracks that can also be used for freight.

Working on a feasibility study/newspaper piece with a friend of mine; hopefully this will get the ball rolling.

The container housing is not a bad idea though.

Can you give some more info? How big is a container? How much does it cost to acquire? How much to retrofit into a home? Etc, etc?

Finally, I thought it is usually land which is the lion's share of the cost of a home, not the actual physical structure.

Hrm, though with cheap container homes, you could replace slum/shanty towns with something clean and neat. Hrm. . .[/quote]The bullet Train project could be economical if there are no corrupt activities in the allocation of the project.Since the train companies are running the show themselves they will get their money back within 10 years.It is all about planning.It is economical in SA so i don't see why it shouldn't work in Nigeria. As long as they allow the foreign companies to run and manage the system ,it will be solid and reliable.The Government can set up a commission or department to regulate the train fares to keep the companies in check.I just read an article now where they talked about bullet train overtaking airline sales spain because it is affordable and relatively fast.I know it is a long shot but i will really love to see it happen in Nigeria.I ride the Gautrain occasionally when i am lazy to drive and i must say that is unbelievably fast.I don't have to worry about traffic jams or annoying red lights stops.It also allows me to travel to very distant areas i wouldn't go to on a regular basis.It has made my commute around Gauteng very pleasant.