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Sincere 9gerian: Exactly. I dont understand why some people cannot separate the person from the tribe.

Fashola was lambasted on this forum for kidnapping and deporting Nigerians, yoruba APC e-rats turned it into a tribal war. Ditto WS.

It appears we can longer criticise anything associated with APC in the southwest. Any criticism/attack on any southwest APC politician or sympathiser automatically becomes attack on
yorubas.

Yet these are the same people that relentlessly attacked, cursed and insulted GEJ FROM DAY ONE on this forum.

If the Ijaws are to follow the examples of the shameless yoruba APC hypocrites, this forum would have gone up in flames by now. The yoruba APC internet rats are nothing but shameless hypocrites.

Spot on bros,
It's so disgusting what these kids have turn the forum to. Fashola, Soyinka, Buhari etc are now ethnic groups to them, what a shame! Some people can be so insecure.

Italiano1: Please can you stop patronising us like we are fools or something. You started a thread that you cleverly named "Revisiting" then you used an article written by a bogus "Yoruba" person as some form of justification. You clearly started this thread with malicious intent- we are not fools.

You are the loudest complainant on the Complaint thread recommending that threads be closed and as usual they are closed down immediately. You want us to have an intellectual discussion on an article that is one sided and does not offer any critical analysis. I dont blame you

It is just like a Yoruba person setting up a thread starting an intellectual discussion on the courage and lionheartedness of Mr Ojukwu----oh now that will cause a lot of problems and will be swiftly closed down and numerous posters banned immediately.

We are not fools!!!

The thread you accuse me of 'cleverly' renaming it's topic has a link. Why don't you check it out and see if I renamed anything. Like I said, this is an innocuous thread, and other than the need for discussion, the ascription of any other intent is a product of your imagination, which I believe is very fertile.

gudugba: What foolish intelligent observation are you referring to? The same person is busy opening potential combustible threads around and running here to whine ...you lot think you are can talk with both sides of your mouths with nobody pointing at your foolishness ?

What makes it potentially combustible? I don't just get you fellows. Why are you so emotional and seemingly incapable of separating a man from his tribe? Why?

Billyonaire: This is not a tribal thread, but this is a thread that all men, can voice their conviction against an insult on our mothers, sisters, daughters and the love of our lives (wives).

Wole was my Hero before he went mad, and I regret ever adoring him. Calling a woman names is not in the dictions of any civilized man, even at the height of provocation, we are taught to apologize to women and temper anger with patience.

I am disappointed in this cult founder.

My brother thank you,

Imagine how these people think. Someone wrote an article that I think will generate intellectual discussion bordering on how women are treated using Wole Soyinka as example some folks decided to turn it into a tribal thread.

Why is it so hard to separate a man from his tribe? Wole Soyinka is someone highly respected in Nigeria but he is not god or infallible. The writer of this article presented solid reasons for his opinion on WS, alas, to many too many emotional folks have allowed sentiment cloud their objectivity.

Very sad!

MAYOWAAK: To read comments on any website frequented by Nigerians is to witness the savage verbal bricks that Nigerians – many of them holders of advanced degrees – hurl at each other across ethnic lines. Name any unprintable name, and you’d find that Nigerians use it against their fellows from other ethnic groups in daily verbal warfare. I fear that, should the occasion arise in Nigeria – God forbid! – many Nigerians would be quite ready to butcher members of the ethnic “other” with a genocidal glee that surpasses the horrors the world witnessed in Rwanda.

You are not alone in such fear brother.

Why isn't WS complaining about the Lagos excesses: the Tinubu's birthday which paralysed a section of Lagos and where elected governors were mounting the podium one after another to pay homage; the alleged billions of tax payers being siphoned under the guise of consultancy; the imposition of his daughter as the Iyaloja-General, the winner takes all and the repression of the opposition in elections so far in Lagos; the unconstitutional and dehumanising deportations of fellow Nigerians within their own country and the incessant bloodshed in Ekiti to mention just a few, all make WS's foray into Rivers look like covering one's own anomalies. In conclusion, and with all sense of responsibility, I think WS should recede from frontline politics.

I think the generally summarizes the crux of the matter - from the writer's perspective. I agree with him.

Italiano1: You are the same dude that goes to complain to the Mods in the complaints page about threads that are bigoted but you start a thread that you know will lead to a tribal confrontation.

Anyway let me add my 2cent.

There is nothing you and your fellow cohorts and conspirators will do or say that will demean the success and achievement of Professor Wole Soyinka. You can huff and puff as much as you want but he has made history that your grandchildren will read about if/when they go to school.


God bless Wole Soyinka with Long Life and Good health, may he never be crippled or hurt.

I don't see anything bigoted about this thread.

It was an opinion of one man on another man. No tribe or any ethnic group was mentioned in thread (none in bad light if at all). I don't know why some of you folks cannot separate a man from his ethnic group. Grow up son! The writer is from SW if that makes any difference.

ACM10: Why is it that when an Igbo poster makes an intelligent observation, you guys will revert to you default response of 'stop whinning?'

I have learned to ignore such childish gimmicks.

ACM10: I thought that I am the only one that noticed the free use of demeaning terms to describe Igbos. Well I'm not surprised by the hypocrisy of the OP

If OAM4J fails to clamp down on those hate speeches, it only means he endorses them. And I see no end in sight for the ills he set out to rid. One expects words to be backed by action.

WOLE SOYINKA'S 'DOMESTIC APPENDAGE' REVISITED

07 Aug 2013

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Cornelius Segun Ojo writes about Wole Soyinka’s penchant for the use of abusive words on people he dislikes without moral restraint

‘The people to fear are not those who disagree with you, but those who disagree with you and are too cowardly to let you know' (Napoleon Bonaparte)

In 2006, I authored a piece titled: Gani Fawehinmi: A Reappraisal (see http://dawodu.com/ojo1.htm). I warned the chief that he risked his hard earned integrity over his emotional support for Nuhu Ribadu's nonsensical anti-corruption war. Though I feared some cosmetic supporters of the chief might resort to the now prevalent 'eebu tins' (verbal abuse), but I went ahead believing that as a Gani’s disciple, I was qualified to say something. As we all can see, I was vindicated, as the 'smart alec' Ribadu joined the train he hitherto condemned.

Currently, I find myself in the same situation, joining issues with Professor Wole Soyinka, WS for short. He was one of those credible people I dangerously followed during the military era and whose leadership at the time strengthened the resolve of hundreds of Nigerian youths who believed him to confront state agents, even in the face of death. Unlike in Fawehinmi's case, I surely expect ‘eebu tins' this time, because a section of our society would see WS as the proverbial king who does no wrong, even when the king tramples on the society.

Before now, I had wanted to comment on WS's disparaging remarks on fellow humans, the recent being the interview granted the abrasive online medium - Sahara Reporters on Achebe's death. I was appalled to read WS dismiss those he considered lesser in knowledge with unkind words. Lashing out at those who felt Achebe was a ‘father of African Literature', he described them as ‘silly' and being of ‘parlous knowledge'. Dismissing Adewale Maja-Pearce's work in particular, WS branded him an ‘inept hustler' and a ‘sterile literary aspirant.’

WS can only find time to read Nigerian literature on ‘Lagos Traffic' and most times tempted to ‘toss some out of his car window'. I concluded that WS being a giant could go away with his angry diatribe - that is what it means to be a giant - look down on others. But again, I felt that while younger writers may never measure up to WS's standards, great teachers I believe, don't throw away the works of others but encourage them through constructive criticism. I wonder how many students will not drop out of WS's hell of a class, where students have to shift through the bin to collect their works instead of a constructive feedback.

Barely forgetting that episode, another issue, more embarrassing to WS compelled me to pick up my pen. It was at a press briefing in Lagos recently where WS took the First Lady to the cleaners on the altar of Nigeria's ‘roforofo' (muddy) politics. Among other unscrupulous tirades, WS described Mrs. Patience Jonathan as a ‘mere domestic appendage of power'. I was horrified that such a retrogressive remark came from WS at a time efforts are being made globally to perish the thought that a woman is worth not more than a domestic assistant. Though I started writing to express my dismay, I had to abandon the journey, fearing the ‘eebu tins'. However, the courage to return to the issue arose when again, WS called the First Lady ‘Madam Shepopotamus'.

Thus, with the latest dirty lexicon, I concluded that WS breached public etiquette (The Yoruba culture frowns seriously at abusing somebody with his/her attribute/s - eebu ara). I reckoned that even if the 'golden boy' Amaechi is WS's son, the fact that he is born of a woman and that that woman must surely resemble Mrs. Jonathan, was enough for WS to show passion. Ag[b]ain, the fact that Mrs. Jonathan is a mother to some children meant she shouldn't have been so debased and humiliated for political reasons. More importantly, that she is the wife of the president was compelling enough for WS to respect the society she and the president represent.[/b]

Culturally, it is indisputable that our society does not condone assault of any kind on womanhood. When a family brawls and the elders wade in, the man always take the bashings for being so 'poor and disgraceful' to engage the wife in a public 'show of shame'. As a school boy, I also can vividly recall that the greatest offence you can commit in school was to beat up a girl, to which punishment of a hard labour sufficed. Beyond Nigeria, almost everywhere, no society condones the type of attack WS gleefully visited on the First Lady. It's all so strange. It's not because womanhood is faultless, but it is because the woman carries such enormous responsibilities - immeasurable at that, for the society that her failings are treated with caution and decorum whenever correction is inevitable.

In 2011, the British Prime Minister David Cameron was criticised for telling a female parliamentarian to 'calm down dear' during a debate in parliament. His sexist remark, commentators say, showed disdain with which women are treated. He quickly apologised (http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2011/10/02/calm-down-dear-cameron-apologises-to-women). Few weeks back, London Mayor Boris Johnson also came under public fury. The visiting Malaysian President spoke of his admiration for Malaysian women who he claimed accounted for 68 per cent of university enrollment. He was interrupted by the Mayor who derogatorily said the 'women go to university to find husbands'. His comments drew a sharp public condemnation (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/08/boris-johnson-women-university-husband).

Yet, President Barack Obama was criticised for shielding from the American public, a report showing female soldiers are sexually abused by senior instructors. The public outcry has led to new proposals by the Congress granting more protection to servicewomen and punishing offenders. From the above arise two issues: on the one hand, womanhood is an object of abuse at every corner of the globe owing to the same WS's theory which sees the woman as deserving no respect. On the other hand, it is instructive to note that societies around the world do not condone the abuse culture and rail against it.

Sadly in Nigeria, there appears to be a tendency to normalise this culture. I reckon this same WS’s theory might have spurred Senator Yerima that, since the woman amounts to nothing than a ‘domestic appendage', why not cut the girl child short and enslave her early in life? Like a conspiracy, the Senate rubber stamped the appalling fantasy of grand-dads sexually assaulting their grand-daughters, then criminally calling them wives. Surely, the world would be mocking us. No thanks to WS.

First ladyship is a political invention that has become a powerful political shareholding the world over. Under Ronald Regan, his wife, Nancy was so powerful that there was a ‘tug of war' between her and the White House advisers (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/3/nancy-reagan-was-a-true-political-partner/?page=all). Hillary Clinton's influence was never in doubt, and there have been more stories about Cherie Blair's ‘quirky life'. In fact, the influence wielded by Samantha Cameron, the wife of current UK prime Minister was a subject of a report in the London Evening Standard of Tuesday 16 July, '13, where she was reported to be the brains behind the gay marriage issue that split the Conservatives, as well as pushing for the military intervention in Syria (http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/melanie-mcdonagh-im-not-fooled-by-the-power-of-samantha-cameron). In our clime, some of us were not too young to witness how powerful the Maryam Babangidas, the Maryam Abachas, the Stella Obasanjos were. I vividly can recall many horrendous convoys of Stella Obasanjo in Lagos. Ordinarily, it is politically unwise for a governor to tango with the wife of the president, more so when the woman is an indigene of your state. It is most illogical. A politically savvy governor would see that as an asset to him and his government rather that war-war with her.

On political ambition, while Governor Amaechi has the right to aspire, his aspiration when in conflict with his party becomes politically inchoate. But when you go further to undermine your party with a view to helping the opposition, it's like donating your head to smash a coconut, you surely won't partake in the eating. Aftermath of the successes recorded at the 2012 Olympics, the UK press was promoting the London Mayor Boris Johnson as a prime ministerial candidate. Initially, he was dancing to the lyrics but along the line, he probably saw the yellow card and backtracked. He addressed the Conservative Conference where he not only buried his ambition, but praised the prime minister and pledged loyalty . I am sure Governor Amaechi understands better.

Finally, WS will do better by concentrating on the penkelemesi (peculiar messes - to use late Adelabu Adegoke’s phrase) in his backyard than travel to Rivers. That will be in breach of the principle of proximity. Why isn't WS complaining about the Lagos excesses: the Tinubu's birthday which paralysed a section of Lagos and where elected governors were mounting the podium one after another to pay homage; the alleged billions of tax payers being siphoned under the guise of consultancy; the imposition of his daughter as the Iyaloja-General, the winner takes all and the repression of the opposition in elections so far in Lagos; the unconstitutional and dehumanising deportations of fellow Nigerians within their own country and the incessant bloodshed in Ekiti to mention just a few, all make WS's foray into Rivers look like covering one's own anomalies. In conclusion, and with all sense of responsibility, I think WS should recede from frontline politics.




http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/wole-soyinkas-domestic-appendage-revisited/155673/

Italiano1: Why?

Simply because it is a bigoted thread.

Please can the MODs move this thread to the Ethnic Section.

https://www.nairaland.com/1390207/bitter-truth-igbo-femi-fani-kayode

donchris999: PointB so on point! i hope the part B is coming out soon after the reign of sexkillz. As for afam, he is just there, so he is insignificant. Waiting for pointB to give us the part B 'the chronicles of sexkills'.

My brother. Thank you.

I have not really taken my time to study Sexkilz, but be sure that I will give it a try when the time comes.

So OAM4J opened a thread to fight ethnic rivalries and hostilities,
Yet he allows his folks to run amok here labeling the other ethic group all sorts of names ranging from HATED, to CRUDE, INSECURE, etc.

Is it that the MOD didn't see these comments or he endorses them? Either way, let he who come to equity come with clean and open hands.

It unfortunate this thread has to be moved to this section when most of (if not all the) actors are members of the politics section.

This thread is more about the challenges of curbing tribalism from the moderation point of view than it is about Ikenna.

In any case what Ikenna said about the difficulty he faced was mostly true. The admin and other MODs undermined his position. But that is not to say he was without blame. Ikenna went about his job in very militant fashion, little surprise that he met serious opposition.

But truth be said it was very wrong for the other MODs to unban arbitrarily those banned by Ikenna. Worst still is the fact that most of the benefactors of the unbanning happen to be yoruba. So yes, the MODs helped fanned the flame of tribalism. But the culpable from where I stand is Mukina2. That she is not even Nigerian makes it very puzzling understanding her motives.

Obiagelli: You are respected on this forum by many igbos, you should not be encouraging crap. Thats all i have got to say to you

If saying things the way they are is seen as encouraging crap, too bad for you. I am not call PointBlank for nothing. In any case coming from you, I guess I must be on the right path. So please stick to the topic and quit stalking me lady, you risk bruised ego.

Obiagelli: You expect me to point that out to you ?

Anyways i would only beg you to stop fueling this enemity


Here is some advice

So telling someone he is 'relentless' equates to hating on other tribes? lol
I was even expecting expecting something more compelling that may warrant me educating you. Alas, this is all you've got to show for you weighty allegation.

Either this is a joke or you are a joke. Either way just get of my back and quit stalking me. This is not romance section and I am not even searching.

^^^
Show me comments that demonstrate that I 'hate other tribes so much!' Or are you simply one of those who just childishly throw words around even when they have no idea what they mean?

Perhaps Buhari, APC and Tinubu are now tribes?

@Ikenna
Your last submission actually confirms what Ngwakwe alluded. You were able to enforce your bans on Igbo posters but couldn't do the same for yoruba posters. In other words you used Igbos as example, but when it came to yorubas you suddenly realised you were a toothless bulldog.

Besides you were very wrong to have banned Onlytruth. The guy opened an educative thread to ask why certain yoruba poster like to mock dead Biafran children. A fair question. Responses were offered and the thread was growing. Then appeared you from nowhere to move the thread and banned him. Question is why not ban him immediately if you think the thread was tribal, why wait a day or two?

That is why I believed you were never really equipped for the job you signed up. Curbing tribalism is much more than clicking the ban button.

Obiagelli: Interesting tale, sound like the treatment given to odumchi by a certain group he was supposed to head. My own tale coming soon, featuring pointkill, onlylies

Watch out!

My dear you can try,
But what I can assure you is that if you stick to the truth, your tales will be nothing short of the 'Legend of OnlyTruth' or 'Trials of PointB' either way it is cool. Odumchi remains a very respectable son of clan. He was our Eze and he was very well treated.

By the way,

@Ngwakwe
Spot on!

collynzo2: Those people said they resigned themselves and I choose to believe them until Seun says otherwise. What is disgraceful about that? Like I said before you take this forum way too seriously. Does Seun even give them allowance foe internet subscription?

They 'resigned' because they were no getting the support of the ones who sent them as sheep among wolves. That's the point.

nne3870: Yeah even jarus was disgraced like the true bigot he is.

@op nice write up, we are watching to see the next mod who shall be paraded like a thief before our eyes. Owners of nairaland knows how to use and humiliate their employees before finally disgracing them just like almighty jarus was humbled before us.

I quite agree with you accessment of Jarus. But I still don't like the part Emperor Sehu disgrace or humilates his judges. I actually think he should compensate them for their time, evaluate and measure their performance. Anything short of that the musical chair cycle wil continue.

Ikenna351: Posts/comments like this makes me regret why i didnt state the reasons for my resignation as co-mod in Politics section back then. Believe me, you are not even close to what happened back then. But its all in the past now. But i stated my reasons in the moderators section. So if you really really want to know, you can ask the Admin to copy and paste those my reasons here, word by word.

Ikenna

Truth be told Ikenna, you had only one mission - curb the bigotry or tribalism as it is called these days, but you fail woefully! Not because you didnt try, but because you you approached it wrongly; you were ill prepared and poor equipped for the job. It was glaring from the onset you were going to fail.

And because of your failure, 'There is still strive in the land ...'

HNosegbe: Muki the hermit?

*falls off Burj Khalifa*

So it appears in the Fora Politico.

Ikenna351: Wow!

PointB, i didnt know you are this good, talented.

Ikenna

lol,

It's all for the fun of it. Just passing time.

Paschal007: lol, but oamj4 accused him of being partial then.

Lol,

I guess that why the guy make that famous quote: "I now know the people I work with. I get it now.”

payless: Well.... He was banning people arbitrarily. He wasn't following the rule. I was one of the people he banned without breaking rule. Have you ever been banned for not following moderators' order? Ikenna was making his own rules.

Ikenna's actions were like judges making law from the bench when their job is to only interprete and apply the laws accordingly.

Ikenna also was stalking me.

Yes I have been banned arbitrarily by a mod for not following his order. That mod was Jaru the Mixed from the land of the Confluence of Rivers!

payless: Ikenna was a rude and know it all of a moderator. I knew Ikenna days were numbered when he was trying to be macho and started banning Yorubas. Ikenna came to politics section with an agenda. His agenda became crystal clear within few days he became a moderator in politics section. You heard it from me first, Sexkills (Bonfere Jo) is next to go Ikena's route.

For those of you who still think Ikenna resigned on his own volition, no he did not. He was pushed out like a thiefing houseboy.

Ikenna banned both Yoruba and Igbos alike. He had no sectional agenda, he was just carefree and without finesse. Whether he resigned or was pushed out is largely immaterial - it's all the same!