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Umu Igbo,

It is sad and painful that Odumchi had to bow at this point. But I must not fail to acknowledge that he did complain to me about lacking support from us forming his cabinet. While not exonerating myself, I had advised that he openly nominate members cabinet members in threads or send them PMs as many may not be forth-coming with the email stuff. If this was done or not, I have no way of knowing. I also believe announcing even one or two people publicly as cabinet members would have helped him, and by extension - us, in no small measure. Many have sacrificed a lot to get to where we are, and we can't blame those who desire more from our Eze, even as we applaud those who pleaded for patience and more time.

But this is all in the past now, and we MUST pick up ourselves, chin-up and soldier on.

I do not intend to speak for all of us. But I believe, his desire to stand-in during this transition process is in order, and is very much welcome. Secondly, as he rightly noted, his resignation does not in anyway affect the Eze Nwanyi; her position remains intact.

In moving on we must look upon the constitution (despite it many obvious flaws) for guidance. For the sake of our the bye-election, it would suffice to use this respective constitutional provision regarding elections, as stated below:

[b]
SECTION 1: NOMINATION RULES
The nomination rule’s primary objective is to ensure that ‘fit and proper’ Igbo are allowed to stand for election.
1.1 - An individual can nominate two forumers to contest against the incumbent Eze if:
a - Profiling of such forumer indicates s/he is a ‘fit and proper’ Igbo
b - Such forumer has been a registered and active poster at least three months prior to the election (an endorsement by 10 eligible forumers shall however suffice for a waiver)
c -Such forumer does not have pattern of denigrating our institution (Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland) or our people (Igbos of any state).
d. Such member is not under ban or suspension for infraction of rules or for unadulterated hatred against fellow Igbo
1.2 - An individual can be nominated for the role of Eze/Eze Nwayi if s/he satisfies the conditions above in addition to having a fairly good history of defending Igbo cause online.

1.3 - GROUNDS FOR DISQUALIFICATION

An individual will be DISQUALIFIED from standing for elective position if
a. He breaches any section of the Nomination Rule OR
b. Such individual has an opposition to his candidacy totaling not less than 1/3 of his/her total nominations.
c. Nominees who do not accept their nominations after the deadline determined by the electoral commissioner, SHALL be disqualified.
d. Where all nominees fail to accept their nomination, the incumbent shall be returned unopposed.

1.4 - DISQUALIFIED CANDIDATES CAN:
a. Appeal to Election Tribunal
b. Appeal to the Eze and his council as the final arbiter

1.5 - OTHERS
a. Nominations done with known multiple User IDs, shall not count
b. Two nominees to amass the highest nomination shall be polled alongside the incumbent Eze, subject to the outcome of any or all petitions against their candidacy.
1.6 ASSUMPTION
A basic assumption of the Nomination Rule is that an incumbent Eze exist at all times. Where an Eze does not exist (due to removal or other reasons) the Electoral Commissioner shall increase the number of candidates standing for election by one.[/b]

I would appeal that it is very important that conduct due diligence (profiling) before nominating any candidate. And due to time constraint, and the need to quickly fill any potential leadership void, a period of three (3) day (plus or minus one) depending on the event shall be allowed for nomination. A day shall be set aside for unfolding of manifestos (agendas, debates, campaign etc) leading to the election.

Umu Igbo, we have to move on. Let the nominations NOW formally proceed.

***sighs, shakes head***

The way we tear at each others here at times can be very frustrating. It's rather disappointing that some of us who know better will allow ourselves to be dragged into the mud by those not ashamed to dance naked at the square.

@Afam my brother,
We know you are the one of the MODs here, and we respect that. I would like to suggest you carry out your responsibility without fear or favour, but threatening people publicly with bans is a little distasteful.


@ all,

We have to soldier on. A matter of constitutional privilege has been raised by a concerned bonafide member. Eze Odumchi has resigned himself to face the issue raised to a logical conclusion. Anyone who thinks Eze Odumchi is been intimidated simply doesn't know what he or she is saying. Those who would rather threaten us simply do not wish Odumchi well; they only whip up sentiment against him. I hope that is not their plan. The wish of Umu Igbo is paramount and must prevail over that of such individual(s), no matter how lowly or highly placed.

Many have provided a path for him (Eze Odumchi) to douse the disenchantment, and there is room for those who want him removed to change their mind. Pending the time any resolution is reached, it is important to remind us the stage we are, and what may happen next.

A vote of no confidence passed by at least 1/3 of those who voted Eze Odumchi into power will trigger a referendum. Since Eze Odumchi got 37 valid votes in the last election, a vote of no confidence by 12 bonafide member is required to trigger the referendum. Failure to reach this target the motion will be discarded, and the Eze will have his reprieve. At the moment the following have indicated that Eze Odumchi should leave:

- Ngwakwe
- Malawian
- Mr. Globe
- SaintOhia
- Ogbonaikenna
- free_soul
- bliss4lyfe
- chukwudi44

They are however free to change their mind, should event overtake their reason. I also call upon other members of the electoral team - 9ja_I_hail, Afam4ever, UjChief to please be on the standby in case of possible referendum and or bye-election.

manny4life: Well then, let's watch and see what happens between now and next week Sunday...

Thanks for the update.

You are welcome my brother.

manny4life: So where do we go from where? What is the verdict of this whole issue? I know PointB said he acknowledged the "Malawian" motion, so what's going on from here on out?

Well, the Constitution only state what should be done, but the how is not explicit.

As the current electoral commissioner, I am giving room for 10 more people to support the motion on ground after which we shall proceed to the referendum. I believe if the Eze's sins is a as grievous as speculated, it wont take more than a week to get 10 other bonafide members to lend their support. If not, the motion will be thrown out for at least another one or two months before the matter can be revisited. Within the 10 days, dissenters will be allowed to change their mind in the face of fresh development.

If we get 10 more people support the motion, then a congress will be asked to vote to re-validate the Eze's mandate. If he is re-validated he stays, otherwise a fresh election will be called within 30 days.

manny4life: This threads and previous threads has shown me three virtues we lack among ourselves, I won't say it here since we have intrusion, but it's very disappointing.

I hope we learn those virtue before it is too late.

I can imagine what you feel, but some of us must act as umpire or watch this building crumble upon itself. This task is never done, people like you must not give up on the rest of us.

Afam4eva: I don't support the dethronement of anybody cos there's no constitution that supports that action. But i'll say that in the future, only people who indicate interest to contest for the position should be considered.

My brother you and I may not support it, but it is written. Kindly refer to the constitution on the first page of this thread.

9ja_I_hail: You have spoken well, but dethroning our Eze is not in line with our target at the moment. If his inability to lead become unbearable we will simply allow our constitution to take effect, it does not require coup or protest hence there is a written constitution that can unseat any Eze who neglect his office.

Remember that during the election everyone pulled out, Eze odumchi alone stood with us and take up the Ezeship,we then decided to include Onlytruth name to contest against Odumchi to make the election attractive hence there is no one ready to contest against him. Had it been that Odumchi declined his nomination like others did maybe the whole process would have be a lots of joke. However that shouldn't be excuse for the eze not to do his duty but i am just reminding us that many were called but only him answered. I like to be honest in my dealings,Odumchi saved us from huge disgrace that would have made this whole thing a big joke. I suggest we continue criticizing him until he start working.

I must be honest with you my brother, i feel your pains i knew how you feel as a true concern igbo person. If you check above you will see one of my post where i stressed that our Eze should wake up and take up his job or we can do without Eze for now. So let wait and see if he can see our dissatisfaction's with his style of leadership and wake up to the call.

I do remember the bolded my brother. It unfortunate now that we call for head because we are impatience. I also agree that he should show more commitment to his responsibility and lead Umu Igbo by participation. I hope he addresses and douse this matter quickly, or my brother 9ja_I_hail get ready to work.

manny4life: Such a damn shame, like seriously, are we really talking about dethroning him?

It appear so my brother. In preaching patience it appears we have something to hide. Best we deal with this situation once and for all. It's a shame I must agree, but for sake of transparency, and supremacy of the constitution, this no matter how shamefully it may sound, must be entertained, to a logical end.

9ja_I_hail: I am reading this post and clapping for you, i never know you can has all these ideas and kept them hidden. This is one of the reason i want igbos to learn how to tolerate each others, no matter how annoying the person attitude might be continue giving him/her sense of belonging because some days he/she might be useful.

I hope PointB,Onlytruth,Afam,and other important bodies in this organization will soon comment.

My brother,
You and I have had several email exchanges in the past, and you clearly know where I stand on several issues. And you also know that I don't think any one here is less important. We have worked together, and will still continue to work together for Umu Igbo, all of us.

Ngwakwe: @PointB and Onlytruth

I am ashamed of the e-fighting and bickering of the past week/days among Ndigbo who were collectively known as Igbos in Eastern Nigeria just because several Military Abokis divided our boundaries and gave them one name or the other (State).

I hereby move a motion that Odumchi be relieved of the duties of Ezeship or better still be dethrone from being Eze Ndigbo II of Nairaland and for a new election be held in March 2013.

This action has become imperative and necessary due to his inability to perform his duties as his aura is not being felt while his absence is deafening and destructive to the collective objective/progress of our fatherland/ancestral homeland.

I still need some of our people to support this motion before you act on it.

Thank you.

Well, my responsibility and that of other members of the electoral committee is to serve Umu Igbo collectively, not just selected individuals. I trust OnlyTruth will agree with this.

When the issue of removal of elected officer came up in the early days, many of us agreed we do not have a constitution and that process of removal of officer is not explicitly defined, and I was wary (even weary) of making up one. Incidentally, such excuse is no longer valid, as we have a reference point for this scenario. We have also preached patience and more time to enable the officers articulate their visions, and give breath to their agenda. I have also warned that if care is not taken, Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland will become a musical chair affair if we remove our leader at our whims and caprices. But even if I want to still overlook the complaints, or preach patience, I cannot not fail to notice a motion has been formally moved.

As the ranking electoral officer (since new ones have not been appointed as per the constitution), I hereby take note of this petition for a referendum on the re-affirmation of the mandate Eze Odumchi as Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland as seconded by Malawian subject to ratification by 10 (ten) other members of the community in line nomination rules within a period of one week.

For avoidance of doubt, the guideline for removal is pasted below:

3.6 REMOVAL OF ELECTED OFFICER
If an elected officer is deemed to have breached any of the rules or conduct his/herself in way unbecoming of ‘fit and proper’ Igbo, or have become inactive for 2 months, a motion of no confidence vote shall be called by the Election Commissioner on receiving a call/complain to that effect by 1/3 the number of votes the officer received when voted into office. The complainers must duly be subjected to the ‘Nomination Rules’ in effect.

Such an officer will face the Igbo electorate again in a referendum which will require a simple majority of 50.1% of valid vote cast to either validate or dethrone such person. Failure to re-validate the vote shall trigger an election within 30 days of the dethronement.

@all
Please let's not get ahead of ourselves. The process being undertaken does not necessarily remove the Eze. Eze Odumchi received 37 valid votes in the last election. 12 votes will initially be needed to commence a referendum. It is only when such referendum fail to re-validate him can we safely say he has been removed. Furthermore, removal from office does not imply that the officer cannot stand for re-election. When the process is over, we should also consider putting in place measure that will prevent arbitrary motion for removal.

I know Ndi Igbo are difficult to lead, so I still plead for patience, and understanding from us for the new Eze. I also urge Eze Odumchi to quickly address concerns by publicly naming his cabinet and appointing spokesman at the very least. The task at hand is very huge, co-ordination, collaboration, consensus is very imperative, one man cannot do it alone.

Should my plea still fail to sway us, in the week that follows from today, those who initially voted for the conduction of the referendum on the Eze are permitted to change their mind if event overtakes their reason. Above all, let our overriding interest be of Ndi Igbo and let's avoid rancorous abuses, and insults.

Writing long repetitive essay for the umpteenth time does not change the facts on the ground. Aged, bigoted Buhari is as clueless as they come in matter of modern governance and is perpetually unelectable. El Rufia admitted as much in his 'objective' days.

Buhari and his co-sojourner despoiled democracy by force, and passed Nigeria from one corrupt and clueless despot to another, who in turn raped her and dispossessed her of many valuables . Today, as Nigeria is struggling to heal from the wounds inflicted by the uncircumcised rapists, here pops another of them, asking for another round? Haba, must Nigeria be raped to death, by same vagabonds?

Without gainsaying, the reason for supporting the candidacy of Buhari has nothing altruistic about it. It is a mainly a power grabbing strategy designed to favour the SW, via the VP route. Power grabbing for the sake it, as evident in the promotion of the 'phantom' votes winning capabilities of this old, bigoted, and clueless, retired ex-coupist Buhari, can NEVER a panacea to Nigeria's problem. Nigeria will again reject this abominable rapist of Nigeria's democracy before the polls. Isha allah!

It is indeed shameful, that so called analysts and masters of Nigeria problem would rather we rally round someone who can garner votes in core north, rather than those who can effect the changes that Nigeria actually need. How is this approach different from the PDP they seek to replace? How is this different from promotion of bigotry, and sectionalism?

We are daily inundated with what Buhari will do, and that he will tackle corruption. But the question they have failed to answer is: "What has been Buhari contributions to the polity in the past 15 years? What are Buhari's view on how he will combat corruption? What are his economic programs going to be like from his own mouth? Who has heard him articulate his visions and plans for Nigeria in recent times? How does turning up every election year to a maddening crowd of almajiris chanting 'Sai Buhari' help in national development? Or have we forgotten so soon the same Buhari is the one who sealed his voice, and folded his arms while his supporter gorge themselves in the blood of fellow Nigerians who were serving there country? Or are we doomed to take the words of his paid agents and other sycophants on Nairaland for it? Are these essay writers and publishers his spokesperson? How do they know what the taciturn Buhari is thinking, let alone going to do? Isn't it better to actually quote Buhari's comments for us to see. I mean other comments besides "dogs and baboons will be soaked in blood" and other inciteful comments? Who do they intend to make a monkey of? Certainly not me.

Isn't is a huge shame that such individual still have electoral value in this the country? Promoting Buhari as a presidential candidate in Nigeria on the surface appears to be some form of expression of mental illness. But then again, it could be cold calculation of some sectional interest, who want to piggy back on the back of the frail looking aged general to the corridors of power. Buhari has nothing to offer Nigeria, but he do offer some glimmer of hope to those who may ride on his back to the presidency. In other words, he is a poster boy for selfish politicians, and sectional interests who want to have a larger share in the aggregation and appropriation of Niger Delta oil. If the idea of a mega party is to salvage Nigeria from some predicament, why are the likes of Patrick Utomi, Soludo, Donald Duke, Dora Akunyili, Ngige etc not mentioned.

@topic,
I find it appalling that every political permutation must resolve into having a Northerner as the presidential candidate, yet we are told it is not sectional. If it isn't section, why can't we have candidates from the South as president? Without equivocation, the main problem with Nigeria is lack of national unity, as consequence of mutual mistrust, a Northern president foisted on unwilling South, and vice versa will NEVER solve this problem. It will certainly be back to the trenches!!

By the way, the motto of WaZoBia report is:

“ Pure sensationalism, blatant and chronic lies”

WaZoBia report.

I guess some folks don't know the 'report' is a satire.

Behold Buhari, the new face of Do or Die politics!

This is where I leave you folks for now. Got errand to run.

alj harem: When did Nigeria become YOUR COUNTRY ?

Moreover I was refering to a region here not the whole country.

What crap are you blabbing? you dont seen to make sense.

Dudu_Negro: i think you are projecting your fear in east and at the same time envying the religious balance in west. if all western governors are muslims, how does ithurt a yoruba man, woman or child?

if it hurts an igbo person that the governor of lagos is muslim then this person is not the majority in lagos or in west. the voice of majority yoruba
is content, so why has igbo carry this as a palaver on its head?

No body is carrying anything on his head. We are stating the obvious as concerned Nigeria. Do we need to register an NGO or become some formal activists to express a concern viewed a clear present danger.

Let me repeat, as Nigerians we have the right to our opinion. If Yorubas don't want to hear it, they should move to leave the union.

alj harem: errmmm, if you are no longer comfortable with a place, it's laws and way of life, Then by are means it is compulsory you leave that place unless you are bounded by law to stay there.

Foreign Nationals usually adapt to changes in the NEW environment they are going and staying. It is not the first time we have seen White American/ British Muslim. It is not also the first time we have seen an Arab for Iraq who is now a Christian.

So you you can't adapt to the changes which is the Islamization of the Yoruba-speaking state which inculde Delta, then leave. Chekena

I think it is idiotic to ask people to leave their country rather than find a way to make it conducive for them. But I guess you really dont know that for obvious reason.

FSU: APC: SW and North ganging up against SS?

SW and North ganged up against SE in the 60's. Now it's the turn of the SS to be ganged up against by these two groups

They find GEJ unsuitable and they also find Igbos in their APC party unsuitable.

They just want a SWner or a muslim northerner in charge.

Can the SS and SE learn a thing or two from this?

2015 will be a true test of who is more populated in the country, regardless of where indigenes of the different regions reside in within the country.

Spot on op!

I think it's those who bury their head in sand that are going to pretend this is not the case.

It is very obvious that GEJ has outperformed Obj and Yar Adua in every respect. But tribalism and pure hatred for the 'shoeless fisherman' will never allow these folks to give him credit for any of his works. They proclaim hatred and bore ill towards him simply because they believe they are born to rule.


The other angle to this, is that SW is looking for a route back to power after the disastrous years of Obj. Their calculation is to piggy-back as VP to a Northern candidate (preferable an old man) who will be fairly too old to rule or die in power, so that they can have a president from SW. Desperate politicians from the North will stake everything for this. At the centre of the mad rush for power by elements of the SW is the continuation of siphoning of Niger Delta oil; and unquenchable thirst for filthy wealth. It is a continuation of the Biafran war, that is why no one bother to mention the likes of Donald Duke or Akpabio as president, even as they have perform far better that some of the folks presently beating their chests.


In any case, by 2015 when core North and SW vote according to these yardsticks, Nigeria's division will ever be so obvious, and a schism will be easier. Ethnicity and religion will be the battle cry in 2015, no one should be fooled by the pretense at altruism.

alj harem: This makes me laugh . If other NIGERIANS ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE Islamization of the SW THEN THEY SHOULD LEAVE. Expressing your concerns does not make sense and it would NOT BE TAKEN TO ANY ACCOUNT.

Is that you are that ignorant or plain something worse? how could you ask people to leave their own country? leave for where? is it no longer one country bound in freedom (including of movement)? In anycase how about several foreign national who have naturalise and citizens, would you also suggest they leave the SW?

Guy, if you cannot engage your brain, it is not compulsory you post. something, shutting up might just make u look a more savvy (read intelligent)

Dudu_Negro: you are correct! the op has inferred that when he focuses on a state by state analysis. could states in east escape islamization if his conspiracy is anything to go by? .....and where are eastern states in his list?

How has islam work for others who adopt it wholly in africa? Do you think the east is under the threat of islamisation? And do you think such will be the case in this century or the next?

Dudu_Negro: since you are fervently opposed to muslim/muslim leadership, why do we need an implication in this matter to speak to truth of a christian/christian emerging as our leaders?

You didn't read where I mentioned Nigeria being a secular state?

Dudu_Negro: ...you are expressing fear for your igbo brothers in west. yoruba is not concerned by increased or decreased islam activity in west.

before christianity came to west it was just traditionalists and muslims. when christianity came they had to convert a population that was already either traditionalist or muslim. this is why the different faiths crisscross and zig zag through yoruba family lines. to fear christianity or fear islam or fear traditional religion in yorubaland will be the end of wisdom, because we would then be in fear of our own blood and flesh close knit family.

i cant say the same for igbo christians living in west. yes, they need to be on guard so the influx from north does not change their faith. yiur brothers in north were not so careful....too late for them.

Yorubas are not the only Nigerians living in the SW. I wonder how some of you folks think. the insinuation that Yorubas are not concerned (whether right or wrong) doesn't mean other Nigerians shouldnt express their concern.

Dudu_Negro: would a christian/christian ticket be okay?

Has anyone implied that yet?

taharqa: But many of u pips are rili rili Sillly and HYPOCRITICAL to booth, I swear. Shea u guys hv bn telling us hw both 'weak' and 'clueless' GEJ is; hw come his candidancy (assuming he even decides to run) is suddenly given u guys acute heart attack. Shldn't you guys be happy that you wud likely go against a 'clueless' Presidential candidate in 2015, so you guys can even then 'disgrace him back to Otuoke village' like u guys hv bn telling us for almost a year. I tire for una oo. Only a FOOOLISH Coward is afraid to do battle with a 'weak' opponent, dont you think??...

I wonder oo. Who will let pass a chance to deal with a 'weak' and 'clueless' president? Certainly not anyone sure of his mettle.

Obiagu1: ^^^

They do not care what you think. They have their bomb and intimidation and gullible Christians in the SW will buy the idea.

Well, not if we have anything to do with it. Christians living in SW will just have to ensure their voices are heard. And by the way, I am not referring to just Yoruba christian. Nigeria is not an Islamic nation, and we should not give it such appearance, implicitly or explicitly.

Muslim/Muslim ticket will be condemned for what it is - attempt at Islamisation of a secular country.

Those who know Nigeria politics will understand that a MUSLIM/MUSLIM presidential ticket will NEVER sail in this dispensation. It will be seen CORRECTLY as a veiled attempt to undermine the christian population. It will definitely be an effort in futility.

Shollypopz: Tribalism will be the end of you!

olodo! Oya start your fashola for president campaign and see how ridiculous you will sound.

The guy that cannot even retrieve his mojo from his godfather.

anyway, folks like you who dont undersatnd how nigeria politics works can only make noise.

my last response to you just in case you come up with another stuuppid crap.

Shollypopz: Tribalism will be the end of you!

olodo! Oya start your fashola for president campaign and see how ridiculous you will sound.

The guy that cannot even retrieve his mojo from his godfather.

anyway, folks like you who dont undersatnd how politics work can make noise.

my last response to you just in case you come up with another stuuppid crap.