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PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 5:35pm On Nov 09, 2012
Welcome back 9ja_I_hail, looks like we have exhaustively discussed nomination.

If there are no more contributions, perhaps we should move on to Part 2 - Code of Conduct for Elected Officials and removal procedure
PoliticsRe: David Mark.. National Assembly Will Create More State, Anioma To Join Anambra by PointB: 5:27pm On Nov 09, 2012
I hope this state creation move is not a fluke. I can wait for SE to have equally number of states like other zones.

Anioma is welcome to join the SE.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 4:42pm On Nov 09, 2012
Please let's have more contributions.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 3:08pm On Nov 09, 2012
chyseth: advocate666:
and.


the above is some of the things that caveat is there to cushion.
Advocate666 rant was very distasteful and smack of unadulterated hatred for a fellow Igbo. I agree we should put a caveat that should place a ban on such individual until such a time at all concern (Umu Igbo and the individual that abuse/curse) is directed at agree the matter has been resolved. I think 9ja_I_hail 3 year ban period should apply in this case.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 2:51pm On Nov 09, 2012
9ja_I_hail: @The first bolded, i have urged that you PointB be allowed to carry on as Electoral Commission just as you have been doing in the pass elections reason for the urge was given in the same post.Electoral Commissioner should be allowed to appoint those who him deem fit to work with.

2 The second bolded, Yes i adopted some part of the former nomination guidelines except non igbos and allies to be eligible to nominate or vote, and few other changes was made.This is Eze Ndigbo election not Nigeria presidency election.Anyone who is not igbo is ineligible to nominate or vote.Though we allowed them in the pass to nominate their choice candidates due to our tolerance nature but few elements among them took our generosity for weakness and cause many havoc in the previous election.For this reasons i decided that we make them ineligible to nominate or vote.

Concerning forgiveness: I made it clear that it is not a law but personal appeal to igbos it can be uphold it may not.

I made mention on my first post that whomever that publicly denigrate igbos or our leaders or what majority igbos hold in high esteen,or sister state.Anyone who was find committing any of these acts written above is automatically disqualified from participate in any election as a voter neither as contestant in any leadership position.
Ok. I get you clearer.

1. Let me quickly state that my conducting the first election was because, it was my idea. The second election was conducted by me because we needed to continue the lagacy. As soon as the idea become self-sustaining, and rules are set for every aspect of the election, anyone with ample time during the period can conduct it. Even if I elect to conduct, it must be guided by rules, to avoid accusation of bias, and favoritism.

2. Noted. I dont have problem with 'allies' of Igbo been exempted from nominating. But the challenge is, how do we achieve this without disenfranchising passive Igbos?

3. Who are Igbo leaders, and what do majority hold dear? These are same questions that Ujchief was asking. Do we have a collective agreement on what these entails?
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op):
advocate666: I disagree. The only criteria to vote or nominate should be being an igbo.
A self hating igbo is still an igbo and has the same right as others. It is our duty not to elect such and when such pass through the process and eventually get elected, it is our duty to immediately remove them from office.
We can't start disenfrachising igbos because of personal opinions.
The problem with allowing everyone who claim he/she is 'Igbo' to contest is that some people are 'Igbo' by name, not by action. Moreover, setting rules and guideline help us pick the best people and filter off pretenders. There is no point allowing every Ngozi, Chioma, Chikodi to contest because they are Igbo. We must find a way to get the better qualified and prevent the unsuitable. We cannot rule out the potential for unsuitable people to swamp us with their multiple ids.

So claiming 'Igbo' is not should never be enough criteria to polls and individual no matter the number of 'nominations' he or she receive. We must find a way to get the best.
PoliticsRe: ***Impeach Ezenwanyi Elect, Ogugua88. Unfit To Lead.*** by PointB: 1:56pm On Nov 09, 2012
I see some people are trying so hard to drag me into their warped world of black and white, they want to get noticed. They need to try harder, maybe one day they just might be lucky.


Ogugua stands Eze Nwayi as variously said, and what need to be done has been done, and more is still be done. End of Story!
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op):
Maxi Odumchi, you are welcome

9JA_I_HAIL,
Thanks for your initial and second post. I would have liked if it is broken down in pieces and brought up at relevant section. Sorry if I was not clear in the mail I sent you earlier, I like to clarify that Code of Conduct (Part 2) should rather wait until we are done with Electoral Reform.

But if I get you point on Nomination Rules. You are basically adopting the previous nomination rules with a caveat that we forgive past transgression, and ban those engaging in new one for three year, accepting them back after a public apology.

The challenge with forgiving past transgression is that those accused of that insist they did now wrong, and should not have been prevented from contesting ab initio. It is in this context that we need to define what constitute transgression. What comments or post amount to denigration? And should those who denigrate fellow Igbos also be considered ineligible, say for Eze?
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 1:12pm On Nov 09, 2012
chyseth: thank you sir for your well articulated questions, i think some of these questions does not have definite answers, but can be overcome as we encounter them. what i believe is important here is the online profiling on whoever is nominated to serve the interest of all of us on this online forum. whether the person has all it takes to lead a pressure group, because i understand that what is causing the present hitch is the fact that some persons are mistaking pressure group leadership qualities for general leadership qualities.

thank you.

The question is how do we prevent the wrong people from nominating our Eze? How do we prevent getting the wrong persons nominated? How do we check/prevent/punish nomination from multiple ids, and how do we disqualify a nominee? These are few questions I would like us to answer. And of course we can add our own question.
I like the idea of profiling each poster. But the question is what if the poster has made very few comments that it becomes difficult to read/profile him? Do we need to have a minimum number of post before someone is even eligible to stand for profiling? And what exactly should the 'profiler' look out for in comments of a potential nominee or nominator? At what point should we decide the poster is not eligible to nominate or be nominated?
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 1:06pm On Nov 09, 2012
advocate666: I believe (contrary to my rantings on the other thread) that we should be very patient in the condust of these matters.
If we follow your guidelines, we will reach a more rewarding conclusion.
Or is there a time limit for the discussion of each item on the agenda?
We will be patient in discussing the items. But we cannot deliberate endlessly on one item. As soon as a shape is formed we move on to the next stage.
PoliticsRe: Fashola Is Rude To Non-lagosians – PDP by PointB: 11:39am On Nov 09, 2012
It added that “under no circumstance can anybody, not even the president, deport any Nigerian from any state in the country. The right of a Nigerian to live and not be discriminated against is guaranteed under the constitution of our great country. No law can thus be made to frustrate or erode such guarantee. The Governor ought to know this and remain civil.”

Fashola take note of this. Those who break Lagos traffic law should be charged with law breaking. Threatening to deport them is a no-brainier. Wonder whats become of Fashola these days. The guy is normally on point, might have something to do with Tinubu looting Lagos state while he aids and abets. Na wa o.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 11:25am On Nov 09, 2012
PointB: We are still waiting for contribution. If none is forth coming, we shall continue with the current one and amend it as we deem fit. Let those who have suggestion on the way forward for nomination procedure come up with them.


Thanks.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 11:25am On Nov 09, 2012
texazzpete: Hopefully you folks go and look at your 'constitution' and see where it talks about 'defending Igbos online on Nairaland'. So tell me, why is the same fellow who says this

Allowed to contribute here, bring up a grievance and still gets petted and coddled here like a normal human being?

I have little patience for tribalists...and hatred for bullies, offline and online. I suggest you folks TRY to remember how it feels like to be Gentlemen and call this fellow to order.
The issue you raised is being addressed in the thread it was posted, and if it need to be added as part of our screen process, it will certainly be done.
Allow us to have our deliberation without distraction. One thing at a time.

Thank you.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 11:22am On Nov 09, 2012
We are still waiting for contribution. If none is forth coming, we shall continue with the current one and amend it as we deem fit. Let those who have suggestion on the way forward for nomination procedure come up with them.


Thanks.
PoliticsRe: ***Impeach Ezenwanyi Elect, Ogugua88. Unfit To Lead.*** by PointB: 11:15am On Nov 09, 2012
advocate666: My brother, this is not about the lection.

This is about a rittle american rat that thinks she can with impunity bad mouth and slander a proud igbo nation on an open forum and get away with it.
She need to go and learn what igbo is and why we are very proud of our heritage.
There is a reason why other tribes tell their children to first make sure there is an igbo somewhere before settling there.
We are unique. Education should enrich one's culture. Not destroy it.
If she's dating Yorubas or wants to get Yoruba favours, ok. But she has no business trying to lead igbos.
We reject her.
Guy it about the election. You wouldn't have responded the way you did if she was not Eze Nwayi. The jury is still out whether she denigrated Igbos or not. And you dont have all the facts. You need to apologise and withdraw your last tirade. It was totally uncalled for, and like I said earlier, shameful.
PoliticsRe: ***Impeach Ezenwanyi Elect, Ogugua88. Unfit To Lead.*** by PointB: 11:12am On Nov 09, 2012
texazzpete: You're such an impotent tool. I swear, you're the WORST one of the bunch.

Look at the kind of filth this guy said and you're plaintively wringing your hands and calling on Jesus.

If you had the cojones, you'd STOP listening to this fellow on this board or even the 'reform' thread. This has transcended to CYBER BULLYING of the worst kind and here you are wringing your hands.

This is unfortunate...the Igbo people I know (including the fine gentleman that married my sister and gave me two Igbo nephews) are made of much stronger stuff than this.
Is that all you have to say? So apart from deciding how you respond to issues, you want to also tell me how to handle my own issue? Guy, fly out of my face. I have no time for uncouth clowns at this point!
PoliticsRe: ***Impeach Ezenwanyi Elect, Ogugua88. Unfit To Lead.*** by PointB: 11:03am On Nov 09, 2012
advocate666: Ogugua's response is a shameful indictement on the igbo nation. Especially those that put her in such an elevated position.
She has just confirmed herself that she is clueless as regards her duty as Ezenwanyi. Her supporters have been touting her intelligence but the intelligent thing to do when one does not know her duty is to resign from that duty. If she doesn't, she has to removed.
This must be the first time in the history of manking and a self declared ignoramus and clueless leader has been kept in office by both her people and the enemies of her people combining in an evil unholy alliance for the downfall of her people. and it is happening to igbo people. I say, "shame on you."
Here is Ogwugwu88, whinning that she is being slandered against. This is the same american ignoramus that on this forum collectively slandered millions of igbos worldwide by calling the murderers, kidnappers and armed robbers.
Her parents gave her a beautiful igbo name which means the consoler but the has turned it upside down and is now a source of shame, sorrow and regret for her people.
Shame on you Ogugua88.
Cursed be the day you were born.
Cursed be the breath that kept you alive after coming out the womb.
Cursed be everything you touch in this world.
May you stay barren and not bring another accursed entity into this world.
May you have no peace, no quietness, no rest but only turmoil.
May the igbo you hate so much call upon you, assail and inflict your worst imaginable iniquities on you the next time your cursed legs touch igboland.
My brother this is shameful!! Haba, all these curses because someone won an online title and refused to bullied? And election you did not participate in, nor voice your concern at the appropriate time. Election that you have not even gone through the thread?

Na wa for you. Abeg quit this behaviour, it is uncalled for. No true Igboman will support you in these curses. You have crossed the line.

And in the mighty name of Jesus Christ, no harm shall befall her, and all your curses are null and void!
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op):
ujchief: Opening prayer...
Ka anyi kpenu ekpere...
Onye nwe anyi, olisa bi na eligwe nke ato, anyi na ario gi ka ibia nyere anyi aka dika anyi ga agba izu maka odi nma umu igbo.
Anyi ario gi ka inye anyi ezi uche. . .isee, nye anyi amamihe. . .isee, mee ka ntumaizu anyi ga nke oma. . .isee, wezuga uche nwere k-leg. . .isee, nye anyi ezigbo nghota. . .isee, wepuru anyi ndi omekome. . .isee,
ihe ndi a ka anyi na ario gi Chineke, na aha nwa gi jisos kristi. . .amin.

Next agenda...
Thank you for the prayer. Maxi Ujchief.

As co-moderator of this section let me open the floor. The incoming Eze Nwayi is the other moderator. As many of us are aware, there were issues emanating from our last election. There were those who felt the nomination rules were too exclusive, others argued that it was drafted by few to favour few. We should not dwell on the right and wrong of those position. Rather let us draft a fresh set of Nomination Rule for or flagship Eze Ndi Igbo Election. For sake of reference, the last nomination rules is included below:

A forumer shall be eligible to nominate 2
forumers only or be nominated if:

1. Such forumer is an identified Igbo poster

2. Such forumer has been a registered poster at least three months prior to the election (a waiver of nominations by 10 eligible forumers shall however suffice)

3. Such forumer has not directly or indirectly through his actions (posts) denigrate or caused the denigration of any or other Igbo group/sub group, state, cultural institutions or heroes.

4. Nominees must at the very least accept their nomination, which shall also count as a self nomination.

5. Two nominees to amass the highest nomination shall be polled alongside the incumbent in an online poll hosted in the forum, subject to the outcome of any or all petition against their candidacy.
The question is how do we prevent the wrong people from nominating our Eze? How do we prevent getting the wrong persons nominated? How do we check/prevent/punish nomination from multiple ids, and how do we disqualify a nominee? These are few questions I would like us to answer. And of course we can add our own question.

The floor is open. Thank you all
Due to the fact that moderators will trying to pick suggestions, let them be as clear as possible. Outlines and bullet points will really help.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 10:37am On Nov 09, 2012
Eze Promoe: Mazi Point B, Eze Onlytruth, ekelem unu nke uku ya na umu Igbo no ebe a. Ekelekwam Eze Odumchi na Eze nwanyi ayi Ogugua88, m na si ka Chukwu gozie unu me ka ochichi unu ga nke oma. Biko anam a ekwu nkem maka ndi choro inu. Le ndi a n'emerulu ayi thread. Gini ka ayi ga eme maka ndi a, unu ahula na ayi ababegh page nke abuo, ndi ara di ka Dayokanu, Cyber G na Osiris e gosila ihe e ji mara ha. Biko ihe m n'ekwu bu na anyi enwere ike ide oke asaa na uzo iri (70%) ihe ayi n'ede n'asusu Igbo ka umu anumanu a ghara ighotacha ihe ayi n'eme ka o fokwa itinye onu n'ihe ayi n'eme. Eze Onlytruth na PointB, okwo odoro unu anya na ha n'ebute ogbaghara ebe'a. Ekwulam nkem. Umu Igbo ekelem unu ozo.
Ndewo Mazi Promoe,
A nu lam ihe ikwuru. Ma nu n'eshi okwu, o buru umu igbo nile ma otu asi ede asusu Igbo. Anyi choro iye otutu umu Igbo di ebe ohere ga he ti ye onu na ihe ayi ne me n'ebe. Asusu ndi bekee ka otutu umu igbo nu ebe ma. ka yi gba ndi ogbaghara nkiti.

Dalu maxi.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 10:11am On Nov 09, 2012
ujchief: - PART 3 – Other Matters –
Agenda for Incoming Eze –
Ujchief
Reporting for duty...
You are welcome my very able ujchief.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 8:57am On Nov 09, 2012
afam4eva: Pls there's a cyber troll on this thread, so ya'll should ignore his bottom.
My brother you are welcome. I hope you've notice that you have a big role to play in this reform. You and 9ja_I_hail are handling the toughest part. Just kidding. grin grin grin
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 8:22am On Nov 09, 2012
ogugua88: Checking in.
You are welcome.

Our task is to as much as possible clarify and compile suggestions. In doing so, premium must be paid at suggestion from Igbo posters as they are the catchment area. However sensible suggestion from non Igbo posters should also be taken into consideration.

Trolls will of course attempt to derail the process, and some usually decent poster of Igbo origin may also stoke embers of division, but we must forge ahead. That's the drill. Again you are welcome.
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 8:15am On Nov 09, 2012
Thank you again Eze OnlyTruth for the go ahead.

@Ogidiboy,

Your comment and support at this point is highly welcome. Indeed it's been a hectic period these past few days, but when you are guided by passion for service for the greater good of your people, you can only be motivated to do better. There have been pressure from quarters that we take a haphazard knew jerk approach to resolving our disagreement; yet others have threatened brimstone and fire should the cabinet act against their entrenched positions. One thing many of us fail to appreciate is the quality patience, planning and timely execution. The council believe the best way of addressing our disagreement is not by being reactive, rather by been proactive, and turning this challenges into opportunity.

Umu Igbo, we are not there yet. Our process needs reform, it need your input. We need to move forward from where we are.

Our first task is to establish rules and guidelines for Nomination into the Eze position.

To moderate this section (Part 1) will be the responsibility of myself (PointB) and incoming Eze Nwayi - Ogugua.
We seek you maximum co-operation and also urge that we restrain our self from falling victims of taunts from those our brother Maxi Dede1 popularly refers to as 'dingbats.' Due to the importance of this summit, I will urge the next Igbo poster to commit this session to the God of our ancestors - Chukwu (the Supreme God).

Part One which seek guideline for the following:

- - Qualifications to nominate

- - Qualification to be nominated as Eze Ndi Igbo and Eze Nwayi Candidate
- - Grounds for disqualification from being nominated or nominating

- - Electoral Commissioner – Appointment and Tenure

- - Voting procedures and tallying

- - Criteria for discounting of vote(s), etc

- - Electoral Tribunals – Appointment,

- - Responsibility,

- - Power and

- - Tenure, etc


is hereby formally declared opened:

Let us now turn our attention -
Who qualifies to nominate a leader for Umu Igbo? How do we ascertain or refute such assumed qualification in a faceless, anonymous forums?

Umu Igbo
Due to the importance of this summit, I will urge the next Igbo poster to commit this session to the God of our ancestors - Chukwu (the Supreme God) before proceeding.
Thank you all
and shall we begin?
PoliticsRe: ***Impeach Ezenwanyi Elect, Ogugua88. Unfit To Lead.*** by PointB: 9:04pm On Nov 08, 2012
Umu Igbo,

We we started the journey of Eze Ndi Igbo, it began like a joke. However, with OnlyTruth premier ship and with a successful election we have been able to fine tune to some extent the office of Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland.

It is in similar fashion that we agreed to test run Eze Nwayi position during the last election. The overriding thought behind the Eze Nwayi was that - we will be able to fine tune and make it work. Many of our women shied away from post as they did not want to sail uncharted waters. However, two brave Igbo women did not decline their nomination, nor was there any out cry against them during the nomination process. It was however in the middle of the election that issues were raised of a candidate, when it was too late for the electoral commissioner to act on the issues raised. A pledge was made to work with the new Eze to establish ground rules for Eze Ndi Igbo election, and Code of Conduct after their inauguration.

However, current event and emerging scenarios has prompted us to move this process forward. Let's assume we actually want to remove and elected official, Eze or Eze Nwayi, on what basis should we do that? And is that basis enough and generally accepted by all? What are are expected of these officials? How did they even get to be nominated let alone elected? These are the questions we seek answers to, and these answers will be there to guide our future activities as an online group.

The cabinet believes it is important to get various Igbo leaders of thought to air their opinion to help us moved forward together. I would urge that we take every bit of it as important as we could, as we need to forge a common front.

Let's go there - https://www.nairaland.com/1097552/eze-ndi-igbo-nairaland-electoral


** unfollows thread **
PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 8:43pm On Nov 08, 2012
reserved space
PoliticsRe: Valedictory Speech By The Outgoing Eze Ndigbo (onlytruth) by PointB: 8:43pm On Nov 08, 2012
Again our premier Eze inspires us which his passion and commitment.

I must agree with him that our journey which started like a joke has morphed into a big force to reckon with. I must give kudos to OnlyTruth for seeing the potential in Eze Ndi Igbo and helping to birth it to powerful force for good that it has grown become.


Yet we must not relent, we must continue to nurture it. Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland is an idea whose time has come, and we are not giving up on it despite some of inherent weakness. On this note, and in continuation of the process of fine tuning, I enjoin Umu Igbo to spend so of their time on the fine tuning exercise. Let's go there!

[url]https://www.nairaland.com/1097552/eze-ndi-igbo-nairaland-electoral
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PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 8:42pm On Nov 08, 2012
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PoliticsRe: Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op): 8:41pm On Nov 08, 2012
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PoliticsEze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms And Other Matters by PointB(op):
Umu Igbo
About a year ago, we embarked on a unique journey of electing one of us as Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland. The idea ridiculed at conception, gave birth to Eze OnlyTruth, and has since grown into a powerful force for good. Only recently we began a transition process, which led to the emergent of another proud son of Igboland - Mazi Odumchi, the incoming Eze, and a daughter of our land - incoming Eze Nwayi Ogugua.

However, the rules and regulation guiding their activities were either of best effort and some cases totally absent. It is mostly unwritten. It is in recognition of the potential malady of these gaps and the need to bequeath our teeming full bloodied Igbo people a legacy of rules, and guidance, and ensure that our activities are well co-ordinated, and self sustaining, that we embark on this journey of reform at this point.

Umu Igbo, our destiny is our hands yet again, and we must stand up and be counted. Let our voice be heard, and let's agree how we must elect our leaders, and what codes of conduct we must subject them to. Let's agree what roles they are to perform and how we eject them when they become wayward. I must appeal, that in our deliberations, let's cast our sight beyond the office current holder(s) and look as far into the future as possible. Let's preempt changes in technology, and perhaps imbibe the discipline of scenario planning. Let's plan for realism, pessimism, and optimism - let's think tactically and strategically as we embark on this journey.

We have done it before and we can do it again.

Umu Igbo below is the guideline for this journey.



Eze Ndi Igbo Nairaland – Electoral Reforms and other matters



GUIDELINES


- Opening Prayer – Nri Priest (or anyone moved)

- Opening Address – Incumbent Eze

- PART 1 - Electoral Reform – Moderator - Incoming Eze Nwayi, PointB

- - Qualifications to nominate

- - Qualification to be nominated as Eze Ndi Igbo and Eze Nwayi Candidate
- - Grounds for disqualification from being nominated or nominating

- - Electoral Commissioner – Appointment and Tenure

- - Voting procedures and tallying

- - Criteria for discounting of vote(s), etc

- - Electoral Tribunals – Appointment,

- - Responsibility,

- - Power and

- - Tenure, etc

- PART 2 – Code of Conduct for Elected Official and ground for removal – 9ja_I_hail and Afam4eva

- PART 3 – Other Matters – Agenda for Incoming Eze – Ujchief,

- Closing remarks – Incoming Eze


Umu Igbo, the above is the guideline suggested by the cabinet as basis for restructuring.

Shall we begin?
PoliticsRe: ***Impeach Ezenwanyi Elect, Ogugua88. Unfit To Lead.*** by PointB: 9:58am On Nov 08, 2012
Mynd_44: Don't you think the world has had enough of leaders who augar coat the truth?

People need to hear the truth so they can make a change
I am not one for cyclic argument. So let me play Kobo
PointB: It is not about right or wrong. Politics and leadership is about finesse and diplomacy. That shouldn't be hard to understand.
PoliticsRe: ***Impeach Ezenwanyi Elect, Ogugua88. Unfit To Lead.*** by PointB: 9:51am On Nov 08, 2012
Mynd_44: So in other words, what she said/typed was false right?
It is not about right or wrong. Politics and leadership is about finesse and diplomacy. That shouldn't be hard to understand.
PoliticsRe: ***Impeach Ezenwanyi Elect, Ogugua88. Unfit To Lead.*** by PointB: 9:43am On Nov 08, 2012
advocate666: My character and personal beliefs are not the subject of this thread.
It says a lot about you that you are one of the architechs of this ogugua selection and you are now trying to deviate the criticisms that ensue.
You say issues are being addressed. Where?
Issues are being addressed. And certainly not because of your comment cos as I said earlier, you do not have loci standi to raise any objection to her election. You were not qualified to nominate nor vote. I doubt if you even followed the nomination or election thread, let alone figuring out who was architect of what and what not . The where, and how of how this issue is been address will be revealed at the convenient time. And certainly character and personal believe of every one must be taken into account when dealing with their request - or is it not character and personal believe of Ogugua that is the basis of your concern?

Maybe I should repeat myself.

1. This is the wrong thread to raise objection to the election of anybody
2. The Op does not in anyway qualify to raise any objection let alone a motion

The issue is being addressed.

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