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Katsumoto: Yes Fela, Soyinka, Gani, Sowore etc are all unknown.

LMAO at your copout. In other words you can't produce a list of Igbos who stood in harms way protecting and fighting for others.

Who that f**k is Sowora? And at what point did you see me strike off Soyinka and Fela (who obviously should have been bandied with the character in your yeye list)

Okija_juju: Why did we feel we had to 'determine ourselves'?!

The War happened in 1967.. The country was formed in 1960.. The Prime Minister was an Igbo man.. That government was overthrown in a coup led by an Igbo man (Kaduna Nzeogwu), That same coup installed an Igbo Man as Head of State.. That same coup killed off mostly Northern and Western Politicians and Indegenes, sparing the lives of Ndi Igbos that were originally billed for death..

Then came the reprisal attacks to the events stated above and then we decide to 'determine ourselves'?!!

I seriously dont get it..

Kaduna Nzeogwu was more hausa (in thinking and world view) than Igbo. The coup he led was in the interest of the Nigeria nation, never in the interest of Igbo! He naively set out to save Nigeria.

Katsumoto: You made an assertion, you were corrected but rather than do the honorable thing, you are dancing around like a confused man.

I will not let you escape, to support your assertion that Yoruba stand for nothing, produce a list of Igbo men who have put themselves in harms way for others that dwarfs the list I provided.

You lot go around running your mouth or fingers making baseless and stoopid assertions but when asked to back it up, you run or keep making more silly comments.

You provide a list filled with some unknown Yoruba men, who most likely stood for their pockets. I countered with millions of unknown Biafrans who fought gallantly for what they believe in. Yet you are prancing around like a bigoted Yoruba man who sees things in one dimension!

You wont let me escape from what? Like I care what you think!

9ja_I_hail: @POINTB Are you sure he will understand the point? I think it's a high time we start making our point clear to okija juju in igbo language hence the juju things usually work well when you consult them in igbo language lol.

I hope he does. Otherwise, it will be most unfortunate.

Katsumoto: You are a bloody fool.

Did you miss the post where PointB asserted that no Yoruba stood for anything?

I provided a list to counter that ignorant assertion. That list proves that there have been more Yoruba than any other group, who have been at the forefront of fighting injustice. So to prove that Yoruba stand for nothing, your or PointB have to provide a list WHICH DWARFS the list I provided. Is it so hard to ask for logic?

Ok fair enough. The average Yoruba man will stand for his pocket and clannish interest!

kunlekunle: commoners from both regions are stupid.
tinubu and rochas can disagree on issues and still find a common ground. What binds them is money.
Stop your headache

I repeat. Tinubu will betray Rochas at the slightest opportunity. If you doubt this ask Ribadu!

Okija_juju: [b]I have chosen to ignore all the other texts preceeding the bolded..

And that brings us back to the subject of this thread.. Igbo & Yoruba Unity..

If Ndi Igbo, despite the 'supposed lack of Federal Government Presence' are were we are today, imagine where we could possibly be if things were better.. And dont say its a 'conspiracy to hold Ndi Igbos back by the government'..

All I am saying is that wherever we currently are today, we can be better. We need to forge ahead. If you feel that we are okay where we are, then whats the point of this thread?!

Aguiyi Ironsi died in 1966.. And since 1966 till today, 46 years has passed and Ndi Igbo have only managed a Deputy President that lasted all of 4 years. 46 years and we are yet to rule this country. Same mistakes from the past being repeated. How do we intend to rule if we dont have alliances with other tribes and regions?! Now what is the reason for us not having any alliances with other tribes?! Are we as a people happy with our current status in the Nigerian polity?! How do we make any progress (especially as secession is off the table)?!

Nwokem, we are nowhere yet... Thats my honest feeling.. I have been to Anambra State, Enugu, Imo, Abia all except Ebonyi and I am not close to being impressed. Being business savvy isnt what I am talking about. Im talking about.. [/b]

now go chew on that, answer it and return and then we can chat.. [/b]

Oga no one is saying that Igbos are not forging ahead or should not forge ahead. What we are saying it that, the past should not and cannot be swept under the carpet. The fact that Igbos have done well to recover and thrive after the war does not justify the argument to simply forget the past - the mass murder of over 2 million soul. The guilty part must always be reminded of their crimes, until the ask for forgiveness and reconciliation.

Katsumoto: Just like I thought.

Name the Igbos who have fought for others, civil liberties, freedom, etc

Please explain how those individuals stood for their pockets. May I remind you that this is not a market square.

Articulate your arguments and be specific rather than being obtuse and general.

I have made my argument as clear as I could. Your lack of comprehension of it shouldn't be blamed on me. I have made it very clear that millions of Igbo who stood and fought for what the believed in are the real heroes, not some of the overfed and over pampered baboons on your list, who fought for their pocket. Unless of course you want me to write the names of over 2 million heroes who gave their lives for Biafra.

In any case, I wont help you derail this thread!

Katsumoto: It was not for or against but a position based on setting priorities.

Yoruba not standing for anything;

Lets look at some Nigerians who have been at the forefront of the struggle against dictatorship and corrupt leadership and have been imprisoned time and time again.

1. Fela
2. Beko Ransome-kuti
3. Gani Fawehinmi
4. Femi Falani
5. Wole Soyinka
[s]6. baba omojola
7. Segun Maiyegun
8. Sowore
9. Michael Ajasin
10. Abraham Adesanya[/s]

During the civil war
1. Soyinka went to prison for 26 months
2. Col Ariyo resigned his position rather than fight Biafra
3. Gowon unleashed Col Ochefu on Ijebu farmers who demonstrated against the war
4. Ademoyega, Banjo, Adeleke etc. all fought for Biafra
5. Elechi Amadi, Ike Nwachukwu, Ekpo all fought against Biafra
6. Zik of Africa abandoned Biafra when it was obvious it was going to lose the war.


Now tell us the Igbo men who have put themselves in harm's way for others. Fighting for Biafra doesn't count cos they were fight for freedom and survival.

Please don't disappoint.

Some of you take this Yoruba are back stabbers or betrayers thingy too far. It is time you start engaging your brains and thinking for yourselves.

Most of those Yorubas who made the list stood for their pockets.

And why shouldn't the civil war count - when a whole nation of Igbos and other stood up for they believe in?
Those heroes cannot be counted in scores or dozens, they are counted in hundreds of thousands, in millions! Unlike you, I cannot discount them!

Laundering money for Tinubu/ACN no doubt.

Katsumoto: It is either you are a dishonest fellow or you lack comprehension.

Fashola did not argue against amending the constitution; Fashola advocated for personal introspection on the part of all Nigerians to achieve better socio-political objectives rather than just changing rules.

Is that a for or against regionalism? Is it a filibuster or a typical Yoruba fellow not standing for anything?

achi4u: What if they couldn't produce Awolowo now that he's death,one of his elder son must go in for him or his entrange spirit will be envock through Ogwugwu akpo okija


*abeg make them live the dead man spirit alone o!*

There is no rest for the wicked! Not even in grave!

afam4eva: Brothers will everly be brothers. If we want to move our family forward, i will definitely invite him to my house but i will be careful so that history doesn't repeat itself.

Exactly the point. Igbos and Yoruba are brothers. Only that 'trust' does not exist between these two brothers for the fact that one murdered over 2 million off-springs of the other!

Olaolufred: "TO DRAG" is different from "DRAG".
This is a lost case before it starts.
So many truth about the war are thrown away by its proponent.
They sat every moonlights to dish out all they want the unborn children to believe.
Truth is coming out bit by bit.
However, Prof Achebe shouldn't have ended his journey this way.
I will be more glad if they carry out their bid.
Gowon will go to the Hague, but return a super-hero.

Which other better way to climax than by siding with the truth.

Awo admitted being instrumental to the starvation policy - Prof Achebe only restated it. Perhaps Awo should have kepts his trap shut. But like a typical Yoruba man, he could help gloating.

afam4eva: I will feeel bad surely and it will hurt me more to know that someone i considered a brother will actually do such to me.

And will you invite him to your house a second time for brotherly chat?


Even as I write this, I realize why Yoruba's hardly venture into SE - it's guilty conscience!

Mr. Globe:

I just spilled my drink reading this post, you wicked no be small.

Gowon should know that his generation has all gone. He should keep running his uncivil mouth.

lol. Just saying the truth as I see it. Or don't you envisage Awo's bones wrapped in polythene bag, and dragged before the ICC?

afam4eva: Forget the caption. This thread is not really about Igbos and Yorubas but about southern Nigeria but it just seems like these two groups are the ones making it difficult.

Maybe you should edit the thread into a call for Southern Unity! You think the Ijaws trust Yoruba's after watching them steal their oil? Or you think an Ibibio, Efik, Annang and other southern groups trust Yoruba?

All Nigeria group live together in Nigeria - that is a demonstration of unity. But 'trust' is something Yoruba's need to earn!

truth4meal: this is bad for the unity of the human race with or without Nigeria are we not suppose to co-exist? But with people like you closing d discord gap is impossible. You demonstrated the highest degree of egoism and will better be rated with lower animals who by creation behave like u just remarked. And to knw dat pple like u only flex ur ethnic muscle online with alias shows a coward. We need unity and anyone against it is worst than Boko Haram

This is some serious crap! Not worth any response.

GARRI (x7):
Ok... I thought you meant that some Notable Yorubas in REAL-LIFE gloat about the killing of IGBOs..

You shouldn't take folks on NL TOO seriously..

I have met some in real life who gloat about Awolowo's starvation policy, not minding the genocide that accompanies it. They don't need to be notable people, but they represent the Yoruba mindset. I don't have to wait for another demonstration to understand the average Yoruba mindset. An average yoruba hates - 'Omo Igbo' passionately. I know this from personal experience.

Trusting Yorubas to keep their end of the bargain (in greater southern interest) was our (Igbos) biggest mistake in 1967, to repeat same mistake in 21 century will be (I rather not say.) Point is that we can work with Yorubas, without trusting them.

I rest my case.

Anyway the fact that we are in the same country means we are already UNITED!

ba7man: But oil and water is currently mixing in Lagos and other environs. What? Do you think its only Igbos that patronize igbo traders and vice versa?? I suspect its only in your head that they don't mix. As for me, I look for the spirit in you not your tribe and i get to see that through what you say. I'm yoruba and I love my Igbo friends.

That's true. We can always trade with each other. Money is universal.
Igbos don't hate Yoruba, but 'trust' is long lost!

GARRI (x7):
When you say Yorubas gloat about killing Igbos, Are you referring to Yorubas on NL or elsewhere??

Are the Yorubas on NL spam-bots?

GARRI (x7):
The truth is that NOTHING can change what has happened. It wasn't a Yoruba Vs Igbo war, it was FG Vs Biafra, and the Head of State was not a Yoruba man.
Crying over the past won't help..


What about the northerners and those in the middle-belt?? The Last time I checked, Gowon wasn't a Yoruba man.....

Northerners and middle-belters don't live in denial. Last time I checked, the middle belt have realized their mistakes and have made conciliatory efforts. Yorubas still gloat about killing Igbos in the civil war - when aside the Awos genocidal policy, ordinary Yorubas play lesser roles in the conflict!

Okija_juju: Its funny how we Igbos seem to put the blame of Biafra on the Yorubas.. All they did was weigh the impact of a decision previously agreed upon and thought it too expensive a price to pay and reneged..

I think its easy to simply carry out internal healing and just move on.. We have held on to this issue for too long.. The blame is on everybody.. Heavily on us Igbos as well..

Lets move on..

'Renege' is the key. If you are counted to act as you promised, the moment you 'renege' depending on the outcome, I reserve the right to call you traitor, and most importantly, I will never TRUST you.

Now don't get me wrong, Yoruba and Igbos can work together, but to TRUST Yorubas to deliver on their end of the bargain will be another strategic blunder. To work with Yoruba, Igbos must necessarily have plan B, C, and D.

Igbos have moved on, but those who forget history are consigned to repeat the mistake. We shall always remind Yoruba of their failings, and betrayals, it an important part of (their) history! I don't understand what you mean that the blame is heavily on us (Igbos).

GARRI (x7):
Thanks for this objective comment. I've lived in SW for a while and the truth is, yorubas are not as as tribalistic as some Igbo-Online-Warrior would want us to believe.
I think it's insane for an event that took place in 1960s to define ur view of a whole tribe. The country has moved on, Igbos should move on too...

We should forget the incident that kill over 2 million Igbos, with Yoruba the primary actors and beneficiary of the decimation. How thoughtful.

kunlekunle: its not possible for lots of plebs on nairaland, but let Tinubu and okorocha sit and talk dollars and oil and toast champagne, afterwards they'll say they can all go join Abacha.

lol. We are still saying the same thing. After the talk between Rochas and Tinubu, I bet you Tinubu will be the first to renege.

Where you not here the other day, when Fashola argued against amending the constitution in favour regionalism. A position actively canvassed by other Southern groups

afam4eva: It's not about trusting each other or placing our fate on each other. It's just about cooperating with other southern groups to break away from the Northern Oligarchy.

Yorubas are not ready to break away from the North. The fear of North is very palpable among Yorubas leaders. Any suggestion about breaking away from the North will surely be leaked to the North.

In simply words, the Southern group dont have reliable partner in Yorubas.

tpia@:
which part of who cares about your opinion and who is trying to "get along" with you, are you not getting here?

identify the yorubas who want to work with you, and get along with them while desisting from disturbing the peace of others who dont engage in all this rigmarole.

jeez.

Get out of the kitchen little woman, if you can't the heat. A thread you claim you detest, yet you have made a whooping three comments in the very first page! Silly hypocrite!

See why Yorubas can't be trusted. Here is one expressing one thing, and doing exactly the opposite!

ekt_bear: Well, people choose to see what they want. No matter how sunny today might be, if you squeeze your eyes tight enough, you won't be able to see any light


Indeed, a family affair. But certainly third parties can watch and laugh

That's two good points. I find no fault with this line of logic.

I don't mind 'observers', it's just unfortunate that some of them have an uncanny ability to mutate to trolls at the very first opportunity!

misterh: @op, i think you can see the mindset of an average Igbo man.

Well, Buhari, and Ribadu will feel the same way about Yoruba. So quit that average Igbo man's drivel. No groups trust Yoruba's in Nigeria. That's a fact. But hey, it doesn't mean we can't get along.

afam4eva: You may or may not be right. But since we're southern neighbors and as long as Nigeria exists we'll need each other.

We need each other does not mean we can trust each other. Yorubas cannot be trusted, so we need not place any faith in them, even if we need them.