₦airaland Forum

OAM4J:
You probably didn't follow the whole issue in 2015. When PDP, the party in power then, was making a big issue out of the result, the army already reported then that they couldn't find his results in their records, they only found some other documents, including his recommendation letter from his then Principal. Some of those documents found and the response from the NA have already been reposted on this thread.

The fact that they couldn't find the certificates doesn't mean they were not submitted by him and nobody has claimed categorically that his certificate were not submitted. But we have some other retired soldiers like Jemibewon who said his original certificates were also submitted to the Army back then. And we are talking of papers submitted many decades ago. You should also know how poor we are in Nigeria with records kepping. I went to my primary school 3 yrs ago where I was the head boy while in school... And they have no single record I ever passed through the school. Only stories and excuses.

Even though he is now the commander in chief, is he going to line up all the people that were ever in charge of records keeping in the army, including the dead ones and order them to produce his results by force or by fire? You know that is not feasible.

When your results or important documents are lost or destroyed, you simply make a sworn affidavit to explain the situation.

If anyone disagrees with the affidavit, he can simply take you to court and produce a contrary evidence.

The onus lies on those who think he is lying to go to court and prove it. Same thing INEC has said.

The constitution didn't even say he must pass but should have at least have studied up to school cert or it's equivalent. That same argument was what PDP used to qualify Adeleke in Osun who had only an F9 and absents in all other subjects. But his school confirmed he studied till o/level and waec confirmed same.

Same thing that has been confirmed for Buhari by Cambridge that was in charge of O level then and the secondary school he went. If you want to see the new statement of result released by his school in 2015 andbthe reply from Cambridge just goggle it. It's in the public domain now.

If you think he is lying about his claim in his affidavit, please prove it. I really want to know why you people think he is lying.

Else, let's move on to other things.

Now that you have brought Cambridge into the matter, pls note there was never any Cambridge print-out attesting to the Oluwole result printed by kastina on his behalf. Rather, Cambridge insisted it was only Mr. Buhari who could request for any such print-out. Why hasn't he done so?

Now, it is very possible that Buhari indeed completed secondary school and submitted result which was eventually misplaced by the military (even possibly due to sabotage). On the other hand it is possible that Buhari did not complete secondary school, and dropped-out immediately he joined the army on the basis of the promissory note (recommendation letter) written by his principal.

Now, since the matter is at the core of his integrity, Buhari needs to involve Cambridge (the examination body) and ask for a re-print of his result. Or are you suggesting that Cambridge cannot issue a reprint for him, or that they to don't have records? It is his failure to do this basic thing that has raised the suspicion level to this current decibel.

http://www.thescoopng.com/2015/01/24/buhari-can-request-certificate-university-cambridge/

I am inclined to believe Buhari did not seat for the final exam in his secondary school, having gotten the 'recommendation letter'. He submitted nada! Other records he alludes to, are probably records of exercise or education after he had joined the military, with his 'recommendation letter.'

CodeTemplar:
Oya sample some of his plan or highlight his stance on pressing issues and let's see now.
Both APC and PDP are just going there for personal gains of they can't show concrete plans for the country.

I should sample some of his plans? I don't follow party politics bro.

I'm just have a genuine laughter at Atiku's glaring unpreparedness for the job. It's shocking.


Yes, both parties have no actionable plans. Just some fancy ideas.

FreelanceRebel:
The shiite using the same tactic as used on this event murdered a Policman Kaduna few weeks ago, other have to run for safety,
Should security continue to run away from them n the name.
Mind you, You are no longer innocent when you begin to throw stone or harmful object at security personnel

Stone throwers, and rioters should be dealt with by Riot Police. Anyone who assaults or kills a policeman should be arrested by the police and prosecuted. That's how it's done.

Protesters killing a policeman is not a license to kill; not by the police, let alone soldiers. That's how civilisation works!

ImperialYoruba:


Atikulants just dey ramble. How many years has this Atiku been planning to be President, he never had a vision statenent or progranmes for the country?

Ooh my God! We are in trouble!

You mean the 'most prepared' president-in-waiting doesn't have a documented plan?

CodeTemplar:
We have not gotten to appraisal stage yet. I want to see what the solution providers have in mind for us first. The self acclaimed solution providers can't give us anything so far.

The thread is a neutral one but appears to be favoring APC because they have something on their website already.

For APC, it should be appraisal. Their words are not worth the sheet it written on. In any case, it appears that site is down. Trust APC to deny their own site in a blink.

Zionope:
You need to remove sentiments and think straight. Affidavit is a proof allowed by the law to stand in place of any missing document (certificates inclusive). He sworn an affidavit to have attended those schools and not to any grade obtained, his grades are not a criteria according to the constitution of the FRN the affidavit he sworn to is an evidence which INEC has deemed tenable (which happen to be the stand of the law).

Can you not make your point without insulting innuendo? How do you mean I should remove sentiment and think straight? Pls stick to your points and avoid such remarks.

You obviously are not getting the point here in any case. Affidavit is not the matter under discussion here. What is under discussion is Buhari's certificate. He swore an Affidavit that the original certificates are with the military authority.

Yes INEC can accept Affidavit if he's lost his certificate, but swearing Affidavit that his certificate is with military authority is so wrong.

Nigerians are saying that's an abuse of the system. That he can request for the certificate or copies and present same. That' why this issue persists. How is this difficult to understand or how is this sentimental?

CodeTemplar:
This is APC's promise on corruption.


War Against Corruption
APC in Government shall muster the political will to wage strident War against Corruption; otherwise our post-oil-economy will be disastrous. It is our considered view that none of our cardinal programs will succeed if the current level of corruption and looting going on in the land is allowed to continue.
1. We shall strengthen and make independent the EFCC, ICPC and other Anti-graft agencies and repeal the laws which inhibit their independence.
2. We shall embark on public sensitization campaign and civic education against corruption in schools and town halls.
3. Shall encourage Civil Society Organizations, Advocacy groups and Whistle-Blowers in the anti-graft vanguard.
4. We shall stop the corruption of our electoral process by making the Independent National and State Electoral Commissions (INEC) truly independent.
5. We shall establish Special Courts for corruption, after due and thorough review of the penal code.
6. To actualize this we shall make the appointment of the chairman and top officials of National and State Electoral Commissions Public as enunciated in the Uwais Electoral Reform Report. On all election matters, the Burden.

Which of these items was APC able to decisively accomplish in the past three years? @MetaPhysical

MetaPhysical:
I want to share that what the OP listed are not new issues that happened to Nigeria under the current administration. They are legacies, some of which have been around since 1960 or shortly after. PDP spent 16years in government as the de facto power, not just in Executive position but as well had the majority in Legislative, plus appointments to the Judiciary Benches. What stopped PDP from resolving these issues before APC came to power, if they were that easy to resolve? What hindered previous regimes and administrations from resolving these issues if it was possible to just flick the finger and get it done? The root cause of these problems is corruption. Trust and sense of ownership is attached to the root cause. Now, APC has done tremendously well putting measures into place to curb "illegitimate money" floating around. What PDP could not do in 16years, APC has accomplished in 4. If APC will spend 16years in government we can expect some dramatic outcomes and stability in our society and far better welfare for our people.

Indeed many of those issues were not tackled by PDP for which reason they were booted from power. The questions are
a. WHAT has APC done about them?
b. Should APC not be kicked out too for not been able to fix many of those issues satisfactorily?

AZeD1:
This is what the law says(pay special attention to C and D.

"School Certificate or its equivalent" means

(a) a Secondary School Certificate or its equivalent, or Grade II Teacher’s Certificate, the City and Guilds Certificate; or

(b) education up to Secondary School Certificate level; or

(c) Primary Six School Leaving Certificate or its equivalent and -

(i) service in the public or private sector in the Federation in any capacity acceptable to the Independent National Electoral Commission for a minimum of ten years, and

(ii) attendance at courses and training in such institutions as may be acceptable to the Independent National Electoral Commission for periods totalling up to a minimum of one year, and

(iii) the ability to read, write, understand and communicate in the English language to the satisfaction of the Independent National Electoral Commission, and

(d) any other qualification acceptable by the Independent National Electoral Commission;"

That's the election law.

Good.

So from the list of Acceptable Qualifications Criteria, Mr. Buhari elected to choose (a) as his preferred qualification.

The onus is now on him to proof that he is qualified on the basis of that option. It is not INEC's duty to make this decision for him or proof that he is qualified on the basis he chose. That's Mr. Buhari's job.

Rather than Mr. Buhari to show this evidence, he is prevaricating. And you think he has nothing to hide in that regard?

AZeD1:
I have looked at the election law and it says nothing about submitting certificates. There law allows INEC to accept anything it deems fit as proof of education. There's also a clause that states "the applicant can read and write English to the satisfaction of INEC".


I agree with you that Buhari is a fraud but not on this issue of certificates.

The INEC Application Form asked the contestant to submit copies of Credential.

If it weren't the case, then we could excuse Mr. Buhari. Fortunately for us, that's the case, else contestants will make bogus claims (like Buhari is doing) and get away with little or no scrutiny. So Buhari's failure to attached the required credential, and instead resort to use of Affidavit is fraud.

Why use affidavit claiming your certificate is with the military, when you can simply retrieve it from them and submit same? The only reason he's doing that is to cover up fraud!

AZeD1:
I did not submit anything outside my CV. For where I currently work, I only had to proof I was legally entitled to work in the country.


There are lots of things wrong with Buhari being President but WAEC certificate isn't one of them.

If it's not required, you haven't done anything wrong.

But if it is, and you failed to submit it, lie about, and use tax-payer funds to hire lawyers to frustrate every attempt to get to the root of it, while at the same time masquerading as a man of Integrity, then something is fundamentally wrong.

Bros, it's one of the thing wrong with Buhari's administration. He cheated on his way to the the top, and can't face his past.

Buhari is a fraud!

AZeD1:
My current place of work and the last place I worked in Nigeria did not see any of my certificates. I didn't even go with a recommendation letter, so its possible.

Was it required by their policy? Maybe they accepted your statement of result.

OAM4J:
I thought this issue of Buhari Certificates was thoroughly debated and even settled by the court in 2014/15.

I cannot understand this new agitation.

Fact is Buhari is educated beyond School certificate, he went for studies in NDA (equivalent to a degree) and US Army War College (which is equivalent to Masters degree). These are apart from other courses he did both in India and UK. To think he went through NDA without a school certificate is ridiculous.

I think we should spend time discussing and debating other important issues that affect us and our country.

Buhari's WASC Certificate (or lack of it) is at the core of his integrity posture and corruption fight. How exactly was the matter resolved in court in 2014/15? Can you provide links to this effect?

Any degree built on the basis of non-existent foundation (WASC or it's equivalent) is null and void!

People are discussing the 'integrity' of Mr. President, I think it's within their rights to do so. Not everyone is a zombiee, you know?

Buhari should just request for a copy of his WASC certificate from relevant body, and make it public. That will kill the case both in normal court and in court of public opinion. Anything short of this is DOA.

I think Nigerians should keep embarrassing the semi-literate President, and his throng of certificate forgers, until they get the message!

Yes, while at it, we can discuss other things, it's called multi-tasking.

lilbest4:
Me at Chevron tomorrow

Interviewer: But you didn't submit any certificate

Me: sir, I will get a First Class in Engineering so I want you to employ me

Me at INEC.

INEC: You haven't won the election yet.
Me: Make me president, I'm sure I will win the election with a landslide victory.

hisexcellency34:
Restructuring is number one on APC's manifesto but did nothing after coming to power. How can we trust Atiku now?

You almost summarised my post.

Interesting...


Personally, I don't think Atiku can 'restructure' Nigeria (in six months) (if he actually said so.) What exactly has Atiku, atikulated as the definition of 'restructure'?

I think that's the political gimmick in vogue now.

But I won't blame him, APC promised to restructure Nigeria. but did nothing about it. As a matter of fact, they (APC) are ready to jump into the gutter to slug it out with anyone who mentions restructuring of Nigeria. Just as they are doing with Atiku now.

In this scenario, three things will work in Atiku's favour

1. Nigerians will like to give him a chance to try this 'restructuring' whatever
2. He is in every intent and purpose NOT Lifeless
3. He has brought new vibe and changed the despondence mood around the country

AnyoneButAtiku:
PointB, how far?
Are you also Atikulooting?

Reveal yourself!

ozo13:
we all know opening fire on those guys was wrong.but I was jus asking a sincere practical situation question as applied to those soldiers.and from the what the guy that covered the clip was saying was for those guys stoning to kill the soldiers.
Situations like this was what made me shelve my plan of joining the military/force

There are rules of engagement in dealing with those kind of scenarios. Why I don't subscribe to threat of violence directed at the soldiers, they are better trained, better equipped, and better motivated to hold the higher ground. They must show restrain, especially when dealing with civilians.

Shooting live bullets at stone wielding civilians, in a civilian dominated area, is both indiscriminate and disproportionate use of force.

vanbonattel:
What's our concern? This man came here and participated in our courses, we have to be magnanimous and present him with a certificate, even though he sat through the whole study without saying a word.

FreelanceRebel:
That is not Human Right violation. If you Hausa, then you will know that even the person doing the video recoding is a violent person that must be tame ot removed from community. What the video guy is calling for was the lynching of the army officer

Anywhere is the world where soldiers are used to violently quell a protest is a matter of human right. This are basic tenets of civilized society. Don't let politic make you stand on the wrong side. Cos, if you are at the receiving end you will understand.

Calling for lynching of an army officer is very wrong and condemnable, yet it's not an opportunity to fire in that densely populated environment with civilians and motorists all over the place.

Take it or leave it, those soldiers behaved like some untrained armed bandits with sense of entitlement. It's not how to develop professionalism in the armed force.

Today we are being told three 'Shite' members were killed? How do we know they were not innocent by-standers caught in the indiscriminate fire as they tried to scamper for safety.

Let's stand for justice and leave politics be!

ozo13:
hehehe.but politics aside.if sincerely u wr in those soldiers shoes what will u do as a human being.I meant that part those guys wr pelting stones at close range to the soldiers.
Na why I no wan join military oo.

It's not about politics.

Police worldwide don't engage in law enforcement. 'Stone throwing' protesters is not an invitation to shoot. When people are protesting, it's an opportunity for politicians, and police to earn their keeps, not for soldiers to bare their claws.

We must accept civilization and accountability; we must not always embrace savagery.

Human rights?


Did he speak about this?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKlCqCkITqI[/img]

Nigeria soldiers shooting sporadically

gentlegenius:
He has WAEC certificate... Perhaps manufactured by the APC. But the name still expose them.

You mean they couldn't even properly manufacture a statement of result?

nduchucks:
I dey kamps, my brother.

Wayward youths have taken over NL and turned it into an Idol/Celebrity worshipping and racially/tribally charged website.

No wonder the old thieves continue to rule this country. These youths are too narrow minded to rule anything. smh

Those 'wayward youths' as you call them are the products of the society (Nairaland). No thanks to you and I.

Gossiplover:
According to online reports, here's a throwback picture of President Muhammadu Buhari with his classmates.

I know many of my classmates who dropped out of school. What's the point here?

Is that Certificate?

nduchucks:
OMG, jmaine!!! Long time buddy. I trust you and yours are doing well.

Buhari's qualification for office is a non issue. While I think we are ripe for a younger generation of rulers, I'm afraid that Atiku is the wrong person person to fill that role.

Atiku is not the best. But at least, he's not lifeless!

bantudra:
you ipobians are very foolish...do you people think shittes like una atall....??...for them you are all imbecilic christians...

your phantom leader is rubbing hands with israel....what make una think they will in anyway like una...??

you people just dont think....too emotional....

enemy of my enemy doesnt realy work in real life....

Don't be foolish, guy.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere!

Na wa oo.


Sharing it on facebook for the world to see.


Please when and where did it happen? I don't understand Hausa.

jmaine:
I dey oo my guy... Work and engagements no dey gree make man see road oo.. But it is well.. We full ground..

Yes, oo.

We dey.

jmaine:
PointB.... How you dey brotherly... Appears the old war horses are coming back...

Jmaine, my main guy.

I dey oo. Very busy these days.

But I do chip in when I can.

How are you doing?

nduchucks:
He has a master's degree. If you doubt, ask Dele Momodu.

You are still cashing in on Buhari matter, ko? Writing books about him, up and down, smh.

How can one has Masters Degree without the requite O'Levels? Masters Degree is what?

Why Dele Momodu, he awarded the degree?

By the way, Nduchucks, how are you? Been ages.

The Buhari Certificate origin story