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Fahvvy:
You're shifting the goal post sir ...

First off, you agreed that "the bible said that heaven helps those who helped themselves"...

And when I inquired where exactly this was written, you said "it (the bible) said it without writing it" ....

Now I'm asking you to show me where exactly in the bible the bible said "it" without "writing it...

And now you're talking about "faith" ...

Please sir...
If you can't support your statements with empirical evidence (scriptural in this case), you'd better not make a statement, especially in a public platform ..

There is no where in the bible where it says or implies that "heaven helps those who helps themselves, NO WHERE!!

Think about it for a second, if you could help yourself, why would you even need the help of another?!! ...

A man who is well, doesn't need a doctor (Matt. 9:12, Lk. 5:31, Mk 2:17)...

If you leave your house and go to a doctor, it's not a proof that you're helping yourself, rather it's proof that you believe that the doctor can help you - if you could indeed help yourself, you wouldn't even bother going to see a doctor ...

So your ability to "help yourself" and having faith that God can help you are two different things sir, so don't mix it up!!! ...

And that's where we can agree to disagree - except that mine makes more sense. You say having faith is not helping yourself.
I say it is.
If it is not, how come it is the ONLY basis why Christ could not perform major miracles in his hometown??

MatrixCircle:
The armless common Nigerians are helpless because the armed Police and Armies are now used to scare the common armless civilians and rig electionss. It's a pity how Nigeria is moving closer to annihilation.

Until one day Things Fall Apart and the center cannot hold

See this nonentity o. Who cares what you think? And who do you think has time to read this rambling gibberish?!

Fahvvy:
Could you give me instances of those "everybody" you're referring to, I'm genuinely interested in learning ...

I mean literally everybody, any example you can think of. It always starts with the person that was helped - even if it was just having faith.

MatrixCircle:
Rigged. APC can't win any seat in IMO

Nigerians KNOW!!!
Nigerians are mumu but not to that extent!

Fahvvy:
You're simply avoiding the question sir ...

Where exactly did the bible say "Heaven helps those who helps themselves"?

It said it without writing it - everybody whom heaven helped in the Bible did something, made a move. They didn't just sit at home!

Oscarhakx:
So you want bible to literally write rig for you?? Ok here's its what it means, since you have refuse to evolve.
to take some of what you want, without asking permission – used especially when offering food to someone

Anyways, no such thing is written in any version of the Bible. Search till eternity you won't find the "help themselves" quote in the Bible!

Lithiumite:
The first video does not in anyway implicate APC or even INEC.......this is one of few isolated cases in the entire process and we can at least investigate and find out what finally happened with the results of that PU.....was it cancelled,did voting later take place or were results given without actual voting,all these you can verify.

On the second video,I don't dwell on hearsay and that is just the personal opinion if a biased pastor for obvious reasons.

This is just tip of the ice berg - the one very blatant. What ofbthe countless intimidations and subtle manipulations. Do you really believe Tinubu can beat Obi in any SE, SS, Mid West, or Middle belt state in a fair election?

Fahvvy:
Good morning sir...
Please can you show me where exactly in the Bible, the bolded is written?

He didn't say it was written

Oscarhakx:
and when you say heaven helps those who help themselves. Do u mean it was heaven that helped buhari & tinubu? And we are here blaming inec

It said who help themselves NOT who rig themselves

HellVictorinho7:
the onus is on god 2 explain ,not man.

Onus my foot. You asked what it is you are to explain. You were told what to explain and now you are shifting it to God!

Lithiumite:
Why not show us the videos.......how come it's only obidients that have proof of rigging and nobody else does.......you guys will believe anything just to discredit tinubu,,no matter how dumb it makes you look.

Here are two videos. Enjoy!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heLHEBzi5hk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fabDL2fMQA

Beolly:
You didn't answer my question, Obi lost this election in the core north.

RIGGING!!!
Without rigging PO does not need core North, he'd have more than enough states without them!

helinues:


It's actually a good feeling for one to reap from his fruits of labour.

Tinubu, Apc's labour are not in vain or pain like some sore losers.

Fillow those who sabi road.

Congratulations to the president elect Senator Bola Ahmed Tinubu and the Vice president elect, Senator Kashim Shettima.

Better Nigeria ahead with those 2 great men

What's with Nigerians and this senator title??!!
You don't keep using senator title after someone has been elected to another office!
Nigerians STOP IT!!!
It is EMBARRASSING in international community!

This is true.
But no need for the advice.
PO is too honest to concede a blatantly rigged election!

Beolly:
You are using Adamawa that have many christians to qualify the whole north. Would Obi have won Kano, Kebbi, Zamfara, Sokoto, Borno, Yobe, Jigawa, Katsina?

Less than 50% of Adamawa are Christians, plus that's Atiku’s home state!

Exclusive101:
You are talking about this rigging by Peter Obi in the East

Any one that RIG! like this 👇 pic.twitter.com/xo1M2P9Zcn

— Akoni Idowu Ipile 🇳🇬 (@Akoni_id_ipile) February 26, 2023

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpJANYIsSsR/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Dan. Your People?😪 pic.twitter.com/X5RifiWwWE

— ISKIL 🇳🇬 (@ISKIL100) February 27, 2023

"We need to bribe inec and make sure that the results are not uploaded..." pic.twitter.com/RqTNVfQina

— stop corruption (@stopcorruption1) February 27, 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt33cDCLSc

Presidents, governors, people in power are the ones who rig elections
---'xxxxx-----

You the ONLY person who hasn't been seeing all the documented BLATANT RIGGING all over the place!


**per your screenshot, better than being a corrupt habitual criminal of a druglord who doesn't know where he is half the time!

You the ONLY person who hasn't been seeing all the documented BLATANT RIGGING all over the place!


**per your screenshot, better than being a corrupt habitual criminal of a druglord who doesn't know where he is half the time!

Beolly:
Uncontrolled emotions made you guys think the northern Muslims will vote for an Igbo man ahead of a Muslim Muslim tickets

So what sort of muslims voted for Obi below

Thedon22:
You are behind time. I was working with real time information. Again, congratulations to Asiwaju Tinubu!!!

You are behind time. It had already been brought up here and deemed not to be our discussion! See below

Beolly:
And you believed those in NW and NE will vote for Obi even without any irregularities?

Why not? Are they worse than other Norths that voted LP?

Kobonaire4:
Lagos is dissapointed with Tinubu...after over 20 years of the same old, so they voted LP.

All politics is still local.

Meaning what? You are just repeating what you've heard said severally.
Try thinking for yourself for a change.
Patiently explain to us how ALL politics is local!

Kobonaire4:
At the end, all politics is local.

LP should have also focused on the other elections, maybe this would have turned out differently.

Why do people mindlessly repeat aphorisms? How are all politics local? Did Tinubu win any of his locals including his own polling unit?!

topsam1:
Seems he has been declared the winner

Great! But that's not our discussion here

AbdulMagaji:
But the constitution specifically mentioned FCT.

So even if Tinubu wins in 30 states and didn't get 25% in FCT he shouldn't be declared the winner.

You are right of course. It runs counter to common sense, but that's exactly the wording of the constitution

AbdulMagaji:
You are right...

In addition,


The FCT in the constitution is to be regarded as a state.

In terms of the election,

A candidate for the presidential race would be declared the winner if he/she has the majority votes and has at least 25% vote in 2/3 of the 36 states in Nigeria. + The FCT .



Note: The FCT was of importance here !





Now falana having said that 25% of FCT is not must...

Then the constitution would have been...

A candidate for the presidential race would be declared the winner if he/she has the majority votes and at least 25% vote in 2/3 of the 37 states in Nigeria.



So falana was wrong in the judgement.

The constitution should have said:

A candidate for the presidential race would be declared the winner if he/she has the majority votes and at least 25% of the votes in 2/3 of the 37 states (With FCT counted as a state)

But then ⅔ of 37 is not a whole number!

Thedon22:
Congratulations to Tinubu!!!

Are you not reading this thread at all? According to the wording of the constitution he has not been elected because he did not get 25% in FCT.
They have to re-word the constitution for him to be declared elected

And they were saying he'd drop out, that his candidacy was a ruse!

Rigging should be done with some common sense.
This one is STUPID!

You are stylishly advertising his videos. This must be Reno's NL handle

It would be of great benefit to SE to replace APGA with LP, as LP is party of the youth, and also a truly national party, while APGA is not.

The writers of the constitution made a mistake in wording. What they wrote meant one must have 25% in FCT. What they meant to write (which is common sense) is that FCT (though much smaller than a state) is to be considered equal to a state in the calculation.
Otherwise, if one must have 25% in FCT you'd produce a situation where a small group of people can hold the nation hostage simply by focusing all their resources in sewing up the FCT!