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JessicaRabbit:
Stop sounding like a fanatic. Read my posts to understand them, not just make up a response. I already showed you that your claim of atheism being somehow less "beneficial" than theism reeks of subjectivity. You're essentially proposing that the Christian worldview and its perceived benefits are universally applicable, which is about as scientific as claiming the Earth is flat. My sense of fulfillment and purpose doesn't hinge on the existence of a deity, and suggesting otherwise is both presumptuous and disrespectful to the diverse range of values and experiences that define individuals. You must understand this single fact, else I don't see the point of continuing this discussion if you'll just ignore what I'm saying and come back only to keep repeating yourself. Secondly, your practical example relies heavily on stereotypes and generalizations. You paint a picture of an uninformed atheist suddenly experiencing an epiphany and then flocking to an organized religion, solely for societal advantages. This narrative not only ignores the vast spectrum of reasons behind individuals' religious beliefs (or lack thereof) but also reduces complex choices to a mere "what's in it for me?" mentality. Your naive assumption that I, or any atheist, would automatically experience a surge in social life, romantic prospects, and societal trust solely by embracing a specific religion is nothing short of ludicrous. What about the countless examples of atheists who thrive in various social spheres and garner respect based on their merits, not their faith? Are the experiences of those atheists too inconvenient for your dodgy narrative?

Fighting religion is not a "foolish fight". You are only betraying your fundamental misunderstanding of the role of critical thinking in a healthy society, as well your ignorance of the historical and ongoing social progress fueled by secular movements. Questioning established norms and challenging authority, whether religious or otherwise, is (and always has been) a cornerstone of intellectual growth and social progress. It will do you a measure of good to actually address the core tenets of atheism, instead of relying on a series of fallacies and strawmen.

P.S. You need to chill out with your incessant quoting of monikers. You should have realized by now that majority of the people you're quoting do not wish to partake in this conversation, so your constant tagging, apart from constituting an unnecessary nuisance, is also a tad disrespectful. Seeing your mentions make me feel dizzy because I'm not sure which posts I should (or shouldn't) respond to.

P.P.S Stick to screenshots instead of copying and pasting lengthy articles from the web. It could help with your constant bans.

(JessicaRabbi, this is a quick response. I'll reply you more fully when I have time)

For the record, I have not ONCE copied and pasted ANYTHING from the web on this thread.
I have never been banned for anything you mentioned. The bans are probably due to technical glitches of some sort that don't follow any logical pattern. I post long epistles and don't get banned, then get banned for an innocuous one-paragraph post!

You keep talking about fallacies when you are the one full of logical fallacies. Did anyone ever say there are no benefits to being an atheist? Or that there are no atheists that lead fulfilling lives? The discussion is: all things being equal, which is MORE beneficial in our reality and society!!

And you keep talking subjectivity.
Life itself is subjective!
Infact, you can say we all live in different worlds though we are physically in same world. I think that is the greatest hidden flaw of the human mind that we are unaware of - assuming everybody experiences reality same way we do.

Folks, please note, I will soon have the result and conclusion of the debate - who won and why.
So far religionists have an edge. There are too many questions atheists can't answer. The only ones religionists can't answer is, WHY their particular religion is the right one, and WHY did creation suddenly start whenever it started.

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Ok

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hurryup123:
Enter any of there visitors toilet and break the toilet seat...
Then leave quietly

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Thugnificent:
Thanks Sis. Try to avoid links next time so as not to draw the attention of the antispambot.
Good morning. I'm greatful for your help the other time

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Cost of replacing a toilet seat is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to them, less than nothing, meanwhile you have wasted your time and energy and could get caught!

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Thanks for the advice my dear but it is not from that at all - sometimes it doesn't happen when there are links and happens when no links. Please delete the quoted too. About that, you've thanked me more than enough and you've paid it back. Never knew it would be paid back so quickly

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Thugnificent:
I just did

Thanks so much. Let me go check it out

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manee2:
sorry..
I don't believe dis faked post

Why? Because it was posted October 2017 and you replied it December 2018?
I'm asking u today which is March 2024, why u doubt the story

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I just wish this guy well so much
I don't think he's mainly about the money

Thugnificent:
Sure, what is it about sis?

Sorry I was distracted. Thanks 4 your quick response.
I was banned for an hour by antispam bot for posting
something (24 hrs in the particular section). Can you post it for me? If you get banned I'd compensate you

Thugnificent:
Thanks for the words of encouragement sis.
As a matter of fact, i didn't ask him for anything, he volunteered himself but it's all good.

Thanks once again

Ib, can you do me favor?

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Aemmyjah:
😂

Keep shinning teeth until it happens. It will do you like film

Aemmyjah:
If you like
Tag the whole of NL
NONSENSE

Seun this person is harassing me. He keeps quoting me when I've told him to cease and desist. I just might go nuclear

FRANCISTOWN:
In the Grand Calculus of Evolution, reproduction is far more important than longevity. Though, longevity is also important.

And do not link longevity and survival together. Living organisms do not survive primarily for longevity, but basically for reproduction.

There are organisms that die immediately after reproduction. Has that stopped them from it? No.

What is meant by "longevity" in this instant is: "living long enough and healthy enough to reproduce"

FRANCISTOWN:
It's simple. Because they need a high level of protein to survive which can only be found in animal tissues.

Goats on the other hand cannot digest meat lest they die. Everyone is just trying to survive.

Mind you, you should understand that. Every beast of the field and life in the deep evolved at different times in different environments.

First of all. You need to understand what a cell is. Cells process informations and develop with respect to their environment.

I think you need a crash course on evolution.

So who DESIGNED them to need high levels of protein to survive while goats cannot digest meat? Evolution can't answer that question without fudging ridiculously, neither can it answer why that is not the case with man. It's not as if these animals evolved on different planets!
Neither can evolution explain abiogenesis (non-living things turning into living tnings)

LordReed:
The organism only needs to survive long enough to reproduce. This is why diabetes will still exist, it doesn't stop reproduction. There is no contradiction.

If what you are trying to insinuate were true then the longest lived animals would be the most populous on the planet but fact is its the opposite we find.

They need to survive old enough and healthy enough to reproduce (that's what is meant by longevity) MORE THAN their healthy-eating counterparts. Over millions of years you definitely WON'T have what you have today - almost everyone loving what's bad for them!

Diabetes and other diseases exist because there are mutations and carriers who pass on the gene without experiencing the disease.

Of course you contradicted yourself - "Helpful traits" are traits that support survival (longevity) and reproduction. That's what natural selection selects for

LordReed:
Wrong. Natural selection doesn't dictate that only helpful traits and or habits get passed on. Natural selection only puts pressure on organisms to survive and breed. Not eating vegetables and not exercising do not stop survival or breeding. Therefore what predisposition to health or unhealthy habits get passed on are not affected by natural selection if those habits do not stop survival or breeding.

You are contradicting yourself. "Helpful traits" are traits that support survival (longevity) and reproduction. If you eat lots of sugar, fat, salt, and don't exercise, and I eat vegetables, oils, and water, over generations there'd be much more of my offsprings than yours because more and more yours won't live long enough to reproduce

LordReed:
Like I said you are not serious. FRANCISTOWN

I still have a lot of replies before I get to you, but since you seem to be in a Hurry, here goes:

Broccoli is just a metaphor. Point is, according to natural selection, the world ought be be full of people who ENJOY a diet and exercise lifestyle that support good health, survival, and longevity. Instead for vast majority of people going to the gym is a chore, and what they enjoy is sugary, fatty, salty foods and sugary drinks, NOT vegetables and plain water!

jaephoenix:
Whats the source of all these claims?

Which ones do you doubt? They're right there on google

Aemmyjah:
Next time you tag me as along with others in wetin no concern me, I'll report
You need bans really

If you quote me again I'll go through all my recent posts on NL and tag you on all of them.
STOP QUOTING ME!

Aemmyjah:
Hypocrite
Do as I say
Stop mentioning my name
Mention others
Simple

Meanwhile you are mentioning me. And he's talking about lacking common sense! Find something to do with your life.
Don't ever quote me again

FRANCISTOWN:
What are you even talking about?
Do lions eat raw meat as a habit or for survival?

Wether habit or survival, where did the instinct come from? Why don't they eat grass like goats?

Aemmyjah:
You don't want to have common sense but you want your stupid thread to reach 100 pages
Stop quoting me
The ban is really good
They should even put your moniker to an end

Ookaay, now I get it. The small minded fellow is worried about how many pages the thread may reach. Of all things! What a VERY small mind indeed.
My dear, find something worthwhile to do with your life instead of going through NL worried about number of pages.
Let this be the last time you're quoting me

JessicaRabbit:
Ok. So the universe is vast and strange. That's precisely why we have the scientific method, a meticulous process for chipping away at the unknown, not resorting to celestial sugar daddies to plug the gaps in our knowledge. As for manipulated perception and limitations, well, that's precisely what science is trying to understand, not a justification for abandoning it altogether. And yes, even the greatest minds acknowledge the vastness of the unknown, but unlike some, they don't use it as a springboard for magical thinking.

😆 It is funny how you keep touting science, "scientific method", neuroscience. It is usually people who know nothing about science that are like that about science.
Scientists themselves know the vast limitations of science. See some comments from g.o.a.t. scientific minds below. Not only is the true nature of existence not known to science, the true nature of existence is NOT knowable through science!

LordReed:
I asked you a question, instead of answering you are asking me another question. You aren't serious.

Remember I'm backed up due to all the bans. I'm still on the hope vs faith. See below

https://youtube.com/shorts/KUopdDZkMJk?si=0_3U4t8CXnl9rSvI

FRANCISTOWN, Aemmyjah, triplechoice

Image123:
Perhaps you should stop mentioning us in what doesn't really concern us na.

Aemmyjah:
You really deserve the bans
Stop tagging everybody cos you want to entertain yourself with stupid arguments

I always wonder where they get pretentious people like these from.
How many times have I mentioned you on this thread?
How else do I let people on the thread know I'm back from a ban??
Feel free to mention me too on any topic you think I might be interested in.

FRANCISTOWN:
Evolution by natural selection is largely based on survival. That's where instinct and adaptation comes in; evolve (learn to adapt and thrive in your environment)

For natural selection to act on a feature, there must already be variation (differences among individuals) for that feature. Also, the differences have to be heritable, determined by the organisms' genes.

loving broccoli and hating juicy, sumptuous steak; loving going to the gym more than chilling and watching TV; loving drinking lots of plain water instead of sweet drinks; loving bland foods instead of salty, tasty foods.

All these that you've listed up there are habits. And habits are not inherited in the same way that genetic traits or physical characteristics are passed down from parents to their children. Habits are behaviours that individuals develop over time through personal experiences, environmental influences, and learned behaviors.

Habits are not passed down like genes. The reason we inherit our parents habits is because we live and grow up with them, they teach and correct us. A child learns from ha environment .

Even in somatic mutations – DNA changes not present in eggs or sperm. Somatic changes only affect certain cells or tissues and cannot be passed on to offspring as they are not inherited from parents. They are due to environmental impacts.

Life acquired characteristics cannot be passed down to offspring they can only influence the habits the offsprings pick.

Lemme use simple terms to explain Natural Selection.

"In the jungle. A cheetah hunts a baby giraffe. Without that food the cheetah will not survive.

The baby giraffe has to eat Mimosa tree leaves and the Acacia tree to survive.

The Mimosa and the Acacia trees need their leaves to survive.

A baby giraffe must be able to run fast enough to survive because it's not not powerful enough to kill a cheetah yet.

Once it grows into adulthood, he doesn't need that speed, just a kick and "RIP" to the Cheetah. (Hence giraffes evolved to be faster at infant lest it will not survive into reproductive stage). And cheetahs avoid hunting adult giraffes.

•Giraffes that are not fast enough at infant will be hunted and killed by cheetahs. Therefore, species of slow giraffes could not reach a reproductive stage. They were wiped out by cheetah.

A cheetah on the other hand must evolve to run faster than a baby giraffe lest it dies of hunger and won't survive into reproductive
stage (hence new generations of cheetah become faster than the previous)

• Species of slower cheetah could not reach a reproductive stage, thus wiped out by hunger.

A giraffe feeds on leaves from the mimosa tree and the Acacia tree to survive. Therefore, the
mimosa tree on the other hand must evolve to grow very fast and tall to avoid losing her leaves to giraffes.

•Species of Mimosa trees that refused to grow fast and tall could not reach a reproductive stage, thus wiped out.

The Acacia tree on the other hand evolved to modify her morphology and grow thorns to avoid being eaten out by giraffes.

•The species of Acacia tree that refused to evolve to grow more thorns couldn't reach the reproductive stage and are wiped out by giraffes.

• A giraffe that must survive must evolve to grow longer neck than the previous generation to eat the Mimosa leaves(from a tree which
are now taller), and a longer tongue to eat the Acacia leaves(from trees which now have more thorns).

•Any specie of giraffe that fails to evolve in these two aspects will die of hunger before reaching the reproductive stage thus wiped out.

Therefore. A cheetah evolved to be faster than the previous generations because the survival instinct is passed down to offsprings.

A giraffe evolved to be faster at infant, to grow longer necks and tongues as it grows than the previous generations because the instinct is passed down to offsprings.

A Mimosa tree evolved to grow taller than the previous generations to survive now taller giraffes that evolved. Same as the Acacia tree with more thorns than the previous generations.

This evolution is strongly based on survival.

Even humans are now taller and more intelligent than our generations 100 years ago.

Evolution is as sure as death. But most times it's always very slow and almost not noticeable.

Well said and well written, good example too.
Sooo you accept that:
1) Humans were DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity. If not, where did that come from?
2) Where did lions liking raw meat, and goats liking grass come from?
3) LordReed and JessicaRabbit, do you agree with him that those are habits, not heritable traits?