Dtruthspeaker:


You are the one who is wicked for thinking this!

For God WARNED your fathers' that if you disobeyed, you will die. He Never Specified how you would die.

But of all the dying things, drowning, selfcide, murdering, diseases, you went into the middle of diseases to find 1.

Neither did you See Not Appreciate that even after your dying through your own fault, God Still Created a Way for you to Live Again.

Now, by this Way, dying is no longer a Problem Anymore!

There you go again, defending God but not the innocent victim. When Jesus himself said some evils are caused by God just for him to prove that he is God.lol

“It was not because of his sins or his parents’ sins,” Jesus answered. “This happened so the power of God could be seen in him. John 9:3

Maybe you will become less judgmental when you understand that God can neither be understood nor questioned. He thrives off his mystery and giving man misery.

Myer:

There you go again, defending God but not the innocent victim. When Jesus himself said some evils are caused by God just for him to prove that he is God.lol

“It was not because of his sins or his parents’ sins,” Jesus answered. “This happened so the power of God could be seen in him. John 9:3

Understanding is needful as air! The meaning up there is that, the ailment is not from his parents sins as the people calculated but from the one who hates man and yet man loves, that is the-evil!!

But to show that God is Always Greater than evil, it shall be publicly seen that the-evil shall be immediately cast out at His Will and Command!

Simple interpretation!

Myer:

Maybe you will become less judgmental when you understand that God can neither be understood nor questioned. He thrives off his mystery and giving man misery.

You do not know what Rightness and Goodness means if not you would know why I Stand only for the Right and Good and God is More Than Right and Too Good.

Dtruthspeaker:


Understanding is needful as air! The meaning up there is that, the ailment is not from his parents sins as the people calculated but from the one who hates man and yet man loves, that is the-evil!!

But to show that God is Always Greater than evil, it shall be publicly seen that the-evil shall be immediately cast out at His Will and Command!

Simple interpretation!



You do not know what Rightness and Goodness means if not you would know why I Stand only for the Right and Good and God is More Than Right and Too Good.

Have you ever seen a mother that said her child is ugly?

As long as you're a Christian, you will keep defending God blindly even when he himself said;

I kill and I make alive.
I will show compassion to whom I will show compassion.
He chose to destroy Jobs properties and kill his family just to win a bet with Satan.

Honestly, I wish I still had your religious blindness cos it's actually cute to see.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course your Jesus will appreciate disorder nah, so that the proselytes you made for him will never be united but disorganized!
But my own Jesus will never accept such nonsense, his disciples must have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2} my own Jesus detests INIQUITY (LAWLESSNESS)! Matthew 7:21-23

John 10:14-16
14 I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, 15just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd

John 10:27
27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.


The true Shepherd is Jesus Christ and my job is to lead people to Jesus. QED!

Your own job is to lead people to the enslavement of your organisation: please continue!

No shame!

There are two different Jesus as you rightly said, one is OK with confusion and disorder while the other is for orderliness and unity.
So keep quoting scriptures out of context your Jesus can't organise his followers!

shadeyinka2:

John 10:14-16
14 I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, 15just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd
John 10:27
27 My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.
The true Shepherd is Jesus Christ and my job is to lead people to Jesus. QED! Your own job is to lead people to the enslavement of your organisation: please continue! No shame!

MaxInDHouse:
There are two different Jesus as you rightly said, one is OK with confusion and disorder while the other is for orderliness and unity.
So keep quoting scriptures out of context your Jesus can't organise his followers!

People united under satan!

Wolves in sheep skin!

We know you.

Bye for now!

Thank God the Bible revealed that there is no UNITY with Satan {Galatians 5:20) UNITY is a quality of God's Holy Spirit {John 17:20-23} so you've been blindfolded if you think Satan can UNITE people from all nations Sir! Micah 4:1-3

shadeyinka2:

People united under satan!
Wolves in sheep skin!
We know you.
Bye for now!

MaxInDHouse:
Thank God the Bible revealed that there is no UNITY with Satan {Galatians 5:20) UNITY is a quality of God's Holy Spirit {John 17:20-23} so you've been blindfolded if you think Satan can UNITE people from all nations Sir! Micah 4:1-3

You err!

Matt12:25-26
25 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?

People united under satan!

Myer:

Have you ever seen a mother that said her child is ugly?

Oh, yes! I know 2!

Myer:

As long as you're a Christian, you will keep defending God blindly...

The same can be said for you, that is you indiscriminately and blindly attack God simply because you claim you are an atheist! But I do not need that cheap shot, I'll rather defend God on Reasonable Merits!

Myer:

...even when he himself said
I kill and I make alive.
I will show compassion to whom I will show compassion.
He chose to destroy Jobs properties and kill his family just to win a bet with Satan.

How has He Done anything different from you? Did you not use your phone to crash each other to see which one is strongest after boastings?

Did anyone question why you did such? Why?

Because, that is the Right and Power of a Creator!

That statement is a Warning to foolish creations that He has the Right and Power to do whatever He Likes without question Exactly as you do over your own creations!

Myer post=101091/16:

Honestly, I wish I still had your religious blindness cos it's actually cute to see

Many claim Christians and are not in Truth, but they will not hear of it, hanging on to Selected and Apportioned Truths and sweet sounding Lies, never knowing for themselves that which is True nor ever entering into the Full knowledge and Understanding of God!

And they make up between 90-95% of those who claim "Christian"!

But Christianity is not founded on emptiness or Hopes, or darkness (Blindness) but it is Found in Light, on Good High Reason, Full Knowledge and inexhaustible Power!

I told you that:
You will never understand what is written in our book if you refuse to learn from us!

Now carefully consider the two highlighted, Jesus was talking about perfect spirit creatures (angels) who were from the same place (heaven) as fallen angels these creatures have lost their privilege in heaven, and now they're on earth playing pranks on people's lives.
Jesus was telling his critics that it's not possible for him to be operating under the influence of Satan and using Satan's power to drive out Satan.
But here we are talking about imperfect humans from different race, background, class, profession, language, skin colour and status who are now UNITED under one umbrella PEACEFULLY!
So Mr Shadeyinka you're wrong Jesus wasn't talking about people (imperfect humans) uniting under Satan because it's only God's Holy Spirit that can make that possible {John 17:20-23} rather Jesus was talking about the unity among highly intelligent spirit beings (demons)

shadeyinka2:

You err!
Matt12:25-26
25 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
People united under satan!

hoopernikao:

Bro, you aren't reading that text (John 9) properly.

You had wanted an eisegesis remark on it. Why don't you give us your own view?

shadeyinka:

That is a lie!
1. Every human will die in this world (there is nothing special in everyone dieing: including Atheists)
2. My duty is to share the message of the free gift of God as per the salvation from the impending judgement
3. I am compelled NOT to impose or force my will of the gospel on those who actively reject the message.
4. It is impossible to speak about salvation without speaking about thr reality of the impending doom of those who reject the gospel. This isn't homophobia, it's the truth you don't want to hear about.
5. Since when did you take "Santa Claus" this seriously.

If I told you that I have instructed Santa Claus not to give you any Christmas gift ever again. How does your mature mind process this information? Will this be bigotry or bedtime stories!? Why then are you this hot about the God you claim is as best like the reality of Santa Claus? Your mental maturity is in question sir!

All these doesn't stop you from being bigoted. In fact it even makes it more clear that you are bigoted.

shadeyinka:

If I told you that the new COVID-19 vaccine made in North Korea causes serious genetic mutation that causes a slow but excruciatingly painful death after 9
months of taking it, how has that made me a bigot.

What I seek is that you do not take this COVID-19 antivirus so that you will NOT experience the ultimate doom.

What I've always sought is that you LordReed and others like you will come to the knowlege of God and the salvation from the impending doom and calamity coming at resurrection of the dead.

The above you reject, you oppose, you actively preach against and now you turn to call me a bigot!?
When people reject the truth, they use all forms of slander.

Your labeling doesn't move me one bit. What you desire is that you remain in your ways and somehow the impending doom will not be a reality: continue!

When say a whole class of people should be disenfranchised simply for not believing as you do you are a bigot so this analogy does not illustrate what thing it does.

shadeyinka2:

I have not debunked that Faith for salvation is a gift. I have only told you that not all of faith is given from above. Else judgement is meaningless if faith and obedience to God is purely Given from above.

Eph 2:8-10:
"For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them."

Meaning:
Our being saved is not because we worked for it for we cannot deserve salvation. It is a gift given to us simply because we believed in God's word for our salvation. Hence, I can't get to paradise an boast of how hard I worked to deserve my entry.

The gift is not the Faith, it is the SALVATION!

Yinka ha! You are twisting simple English here.

The statement is vivid itself. Salvation is through faith, faith is a gift from God..

shadeyinka2:

2Pet 1:1:
"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ:"

Meaning:
The faith is obtained through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ.
The essense of preaching the gospel is that you too can go to the SOURCE and obtain this faith. You can't reject the SOURCE and turn round to say you have been denied grace for faith.
Why do you think disciples of Christ are commanded to preach the gospel. The summary is presented below

Rom 10:14:
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"

2 Peter 1:1
New International Version
1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Yet again, Peter here is referring to some set of believers; whom he attested received faith through righteousness of God and Salvation of Christ. Thus, it implies that faith is given, as gift, to believers.

shadeyinka2:

Phil 1:29:
"For to you it is given in the behalf of Christ,[/b] not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;"

Meaning:
It is our [b]lot as Christians to both believe in Him AND suffer for His sake.

Chai! See twisting

Let me ask, what is that which is given?

shadeyinka2:

Acts 3:16:
"And his name through faith in his name has made this man strong, whom you see and know: yes, the faith which is by him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all."

Meaning:
Faith in Christ is what healed the crippled man.

Acts 3:16, NIV: "By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see."

Faith that comes through Jesus. Did the blind man bought it from Jesus or it was given unto him as a present?

shadeyinka2:

Faith itself mean "TRUST in the INTEGRITY of GOD and His WORD".

Hebrew 11:1 defines faith. Stop twisting it.

shadeyinka2:

Salvation is the Gift.

Salvation through faith is a gift Eph 2:8-10

shadeyinka2:

Finally so that you won't missunderstand me, their is ALSO a gift of Faith (as a Spiritual Gift) which NOT all Christians possess.

1Cor 12:8-9:
"For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;"

Their is no special gift of faith mentioned there. It only says some where given the gift of faith while others have something else.

shadeyinka2:

I don't usually discuss scriptures with Atheists but since you quoted Scriptures here, I decided to oblige you.

Cheers to that

shadeyinka2:

Is there anything impossible for God including hardening a man's heart if He chooses?
But that isn't the norm!

Just like God heals, but it isn't the norm. God can kill, but it isn't the norm. God even specifically decide to save some people (eg. Saul who became Paul) but it isn't the norm

God share the precious gift of faith to some like lollipop, but I and other non-believers are not opportune. Don't blame us, blame God. Even at that, God is said to punish us for not possessing a talent he didn't give us...that is one of those attributes that make him wicked.

shadeyinka2:

Cheers and wish the the best of today!

Happy Sunday buddy!

FOLYKAZE:


Yinka ha! You are twisting simple English here.

The statement is vivid itself. Salvation is through faith, faith is a gift from God..



2 Peter 1:1
New International Version
1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Yet again, Peter here is referring to some set of believers; whom he attested received faith through righteousness of God and Salvation of Christ. Thus, it implies that faith is given, as gift, to believers.





Chai! See twisting

Let me ask, what is that which is given?



Acts 3:16, NIV: "By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. [/b] It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him[b] that has completely healed him, as you can all see."

Faith that comes through Jesus. Did the blind man bought it from Jesus or it was given unto him as a present?



Hebrew 11:1 defines faith. Stop twisting it.



Salvation through faith is a gift Eph 2:8-10



Their is no special gift mentioned there. It only says some where given the gift of faith while others have something else.



Cheers to that




God share the precious gift of faith to some like lollipop, but I and other non-believers are not opportune. Don't blame us, blame God. Even at that, God is said to punish us for not possessing a talent he didn't give us...that is one of those attributes that make him wicked.



Happy Sunday buddy!

Let's apply this to the rule of logic to see how correct your interpretations are
1. You believe God did NOT give you the gift of Faith for Salvation
2. You believe God did give me the gift of Faith for Salvation

Now, what happens if per chance today I become an Atheist like you (denying everything I've ever known about Christ): would it
a. Invalidate that God ever gave me the gift of faith for salvation?
b. Would it absolve me of my role in the gift of Faith for Salvation?
c. Could it be that God retrieved back His gift of faith?
d. What is the role of my Will in this scenario?

Tony142:
so, God just sit down one day and decided to create sickle cell anemia to suffer innocent children from birth

Relax, there is no God.

Science has discovered what causes sickle cell anaemia and how to prevent it. The only wicked people are the parents of the child who knew their genotype and had this knowledge before conceiving, but decided to go ahead.

shadeyinka2:

Let's apply this to the rule of logic to see how correct your interpretations are
1. You believe God did NOT give you the gift of Faith for Salvation
2. You believe God did give me the gift of Faith for Salvation

Where are the evidences that you possess the gift of faith?

You may have been privileged according to 1 Corinthians 12:8-9 gift of wisdom, or knowledge about the scripture, or prophesy, or healing, or speaking in tongue. All these are provable with ease.

Defending faith isn't a gift of faith.

On another round, Galatian 1:11-17 addresses your questions

ESV
Paul Called by God

11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.
12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it.
14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born,[d] and who called me by his grace,
16 was pleased to reveal his Son to[e] me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone;[f]
17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.


Paul had direct intervention from Christ. He was been assigned for the job of preaching to the Gentiles before he was born, and was only called when it was time.

Moreso, just like you are defending faith today, those who prophesied in the name of the Lord, heal sickness in the name of Jesus, cast out demons in the name of the Lord, or accustomed with knowledge of the Lord to preach may not be known to the Lord

Matthew 7:21-23
New King James Version

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ [b]

There is no way you can prove you had divine encounter and accosted with the gift of faith; therefore your present thoughts of been faithful is delusional. Hence, your logic is stamped out.

The linear sequence of been faithful to God is prepared even before on is born.
Romans 8:30
New International Version
30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

The sequence there is God glorifying those he had justified, whom he had called, whom he had predestined with the gift of faith.

On the other round, like Paul, some are reserved, not exhibiting their faith until the last time when they would be be saved.

1 Peter 1:5
New International Version
5 "who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time."

You are the known Yinka, that those who are once saved are ever saved. Moreso, we are simply tools in the hand of God, as such, there is no freewill. This is why Jesus said those who are his would yield to his voice, and no one can snatch them from him.

John 10:27-28
New International Version
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

If snatching from Jesus implies sinning or returning to worldly things, those who are gifted with faith, the sheep cannot and never derail from the path which Christ put them.

1 John 3:9
New International Version
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

shadeyinka2:
Now, what happens if per chance today I become an Atheist like you (denying everything I've ever known about Christ): would it
a. Invalidate that God ever gave me the gift of faith for salvation?

No. If you return to atheism now, it review you haven't been granted the gift of Faith.

shadeyinka2:
b. Would it absolve me of my role in the gift of Faith for Salvation?

No. It implies you were only deluding yourself before.

shadeyinka2:
c. Could it be that God retrieved back His gift of faith?

While I subscribe to the idea that He gives and takes, there is no evidence from scripture he takes back gift of faith.

shadeyinka2:
d. What is the role of my Will in this scenario?

No role. We are just vessels and tool of God with which he utilize his ultimate will.






I only understand though, that some vessel are only meant for destruction roman 9:22. Which exposes that God is wicked and unjust.

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God is the Source and Creator of all the Universe and its inhabitants. Every raw material and power. However, you don't throw in a blanket idea or connotation of God making your food or the Nigerian Stock Exchange or devils. These were not there in the beginning.


God is Omniscient and the biblical definitions and implications are summarily that you cannot hide anything from God. Another which you alluded to is that He knows the end FROM the beginning. You are interpreting BEFORE the beginning.

Did he or did he not know that they were going to be his enemies?

This is quite senseless, why should God destroy everything. The Bible makes no such allusions or suggestions except you refuse to take into cognizance the true meaning and implications of everything.

I wrote can and you are speaking as if I wrote will. Is your god able (can) to destroy anything he made?

With the above in mind, i will ask again. Is it okay to have freewill or it is not?

What is the definition of freewill you are using and what has it got to do with the subject.

Like i said earlier, let's assume with you that neurochemistry is solely responsible for emotions. Is there a law against God having emotions or even having neurochemical changes in His body given the fact that He is a Spirit?

I didn't know spirits have neurochemical structures, tell me more.

No. God is never wicked by any standard. No one is innocent until he knows Christ. I am a Jealous God visiting the sins of Humans till generations yet unborn.

alphaNomega:
Relax, there is no God.

Science has discovered what causes sickle cell anaemia and how to prevent it. The only wicked people are the parents of the child who knew their genotype and had this knowledge before conceiving, but decided to go ahead.

hahahaha, that "there is no God" makes me laugh

there is God sha, but religion na scam

LordReed:


Did he or did he not know that they were going to be his enemies?

The Bible does not state that and you are yet to show where it is so stated. Nonetheless, from the Bible, we can both reasonably see that God knows the end FROM the beginning. You are interpreting BEFORE the beginning. If we stick to the Bible and not to your wish on the quality/characteristics/claims of God, He knows from the beginning. If you still do not get that, i'll use the illustration of a pregnant woman. There are many 'future' things that a scan shows on a fetus(e.g the EDD and gender). You don't see them before the beginning. Like you have silently agreed, God did not create enemies.

I wrote can and you are speaking as if I wrote will. Is your god able (can) to destroy anything he made?

There is no such suggestion or conception in the Bible or from me. So since you conceived it, you should have something specific about it, not just laying wild claims. It is tantamount to folly and stupid questions. i am sure you know the commandment on such questions. i would respect you enough as not to ask you a foolish question about you out of the blue, you should have the same cordiality.

What is the definition of freewill you are using and what has it got to do with the subject.

Freewill is basically the ability to make independent moral decisions as persons. It has everything to do with what you are saying. The implications of having no freewill.

I didn't know spirits have neurochemical structures, tell me more.

Tell me if there is a law against spirits having neurochemical structures and changes?

Tony142:




hahahaha, that "there is no God" makes me laugh

there is God sha, but religion na scam

No proof of any god whatsoever, it was all made up by devious human beings using some so-called sacred text to maltreat and exploit other people

alphaNomega:

No proof of any god whatsoever, it was all made up by devious human beings using some so-called sacred text to maltreat and exploit other people

This is the result of rebelliousness and hypocrisy on the part of humans living around you!
The one and only evidence God preserved for our generation to get connected to Himself but Satan is blurring the heart of billions from perceiving this undeniable proof!

Listen to this:

Tony142:
hahahaha, that "there is no God" makes me laugh
there is God sha, but religion na scam

Tony thinks there is God but no form of worship to connect God!

When an atheist wants to proof his evolution theory before you, who determines the mode or form of test to verify, you or the atheist?

That's how stupid humans are.
If God wants to prove Himself, who determines the mode or form of test to verify you or God?

God has given this generation an undeniable proof of His invisible presence so if billions can't perceive it He is OK with the few millions who can after all He said Earth's population today began with just a couple (Adam and Eve) So it cost Him nothing to destroy the billions so that they'll become manure to fertilize the Earth! Jeremiah 25:33

MaxInDHouse:


This is the result of rebelliousness and hypocrisy on the part of humans living around you!
The one and only evidence God preserved for our generation to get connected to Himself but Satan is blurring the heart of billions from perceiving this undeniable proof!

Listen to this:



Tony thinks there is God but no form of worship to connect God!

When an atheist wants to proof his evolution theory before you, who determines the mode or form of test to verify, you or the atheist?

That's how stupid humans are.
If God wants to prove Himself, who determines the mode or form of test to verify you or God?

God has given this generation an undeniable proof of His invisible presence so if billions can't perceive it He is OK with the few millions who can after all He said Earth's population today began with just a couple (Adam and Eve) So it cost Him nothing to destroy the billions so that they'll become manure to fertilize the Earth! Jeremiah 25:33

We have the Avengers to thank for saving billions of humans especially Tony Stark, he paid the ultimate sacrifice.

So who is Tony Stark?
Is he alive now?
The billions are they still living?
Will they continue ever living?

Because that's the promise my own God made to His servants! John 3:16

alphaNomega:

We have the Avengers to thank for saving billions of humans especially Tony Stark, he paid the ultimate sacrifice.

alphaNomega:
We have the Avengers to thank for saving billions of humans especially Tony Stark, he paid the ultimate sacrifice.

John Frum is coming back again, to bring back eternal peace, food and sound health

Fact!

"He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He." - Deuteronomy 32:4

"The Lord is righteous in all His ways, Gracious in all His works." - Psalm 145:17

Again, GOD is perfect!

"Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." -Matthew 5:48

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The Bible does not state that and you are yet to show where it is so stated. Nonetheless, from the Bible, we can both reasonably see that God knows the end FROM the beginning. You are interpreting BEFORE the beginning. If we stick to the Bible and not to your wish on the quality/characteristics/claims of God, He knows from the beginning. If you still do not get that, i'll use the illustration of a pregnant woman. There are many 'future' things that a scan shows on a fetus(e.g the EDD and gender). You don't see them before the beginning. Like you have silently agreed, God did not create enemies.

ok so immediately your god made them he knew that these beings were going to be his enemies?

There is no such suggestion or conception in the Bible or from me. So since you conceived it, you should have something specific about it, not just laying wild claims. It is tantamount to folly and stupid questions. i am sure you know the commandment on such questions. i would respect you enough as not to ask you a foolish question about you out of the blue, you should have the same cordiality.

Even humans can destroy anything they've made, are your suggesting your god is less able than humans in this regard?

Freewill is basically the ability to make independent moral decisions as persons. It has everything to do with what you are saying. The implications of having no freewill.

I am not seeing it, what has the ability to choose have to do with having a neurochemical structure that gets modified?

Tell me if there is a law against spirits having neurochemical structures and changes?

I don't know you tell me since I don't believe in spirits. The only things I know with neurochemical structures are biological bodies.

LordReed:


ok so immediately your god made them he knew that these beings were going to be his enemies?

Still cannot be certain as the Bible makes no such claims as far as i know. It's good though that you now have a better idea of how "from the beginning" works. Knowledge of the end is said to be from the beginning, not before the beginning. Now, people with freewill are complex people. They have ability to change and to initiate. They are not robots or like the planets that you know the trajectory and movement to the degree. You cannot be too sure of a person, not even yourself. You might plan to do this and say this, then you get to the point and do something else. But definitely, God knows us all far more than we know ourselves and knows all that we may try to hide. This is the teaching of the Scriptures. God knows your trajectory and when you initiate something, He knows/weighs your motive and end. The Bible says by Him, actions are weighed, it is a continued process. The new testament gives a fuller perspective to the Scriptures that you alluded to by saying

Act_15:18  Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Even humans can destroy anything they've made, are your suggesting your god is less able than humans in this regard?

i'm suggesting that you proceed to your point and not ask wild silly questions.

I am not seeing it, what has the ability to choose have to do with having a neurochemical structure that gets modified?

If there is no freewill, then there will obviously be no enemies. You and your brothers won't go against the will of God. You'd eternally obey God for billions of years like all other creatures and creation with no will of their own.

I don't know you tell me since I don't believe in spirits. The only things I know with neurochemical structures are biological bodies.

Okay good for you, you seemed against God having emotions, so i needed to confirm from you if there was a law barring Him from having emotions or neurochemistry. You don't have any such law or barring so let's proceed.

MaxInDHouse:
So who is Tony Stark?
Is he alive now?
The billions are they still living?
Will they continue ever living?

Because that's the promise my own God made to His servants! John 3:16

You have not heard of the Extremis project? Tony Stark has designed it to be compatible with all humans, augmenting our abilities and eliminating all know source of human suffering.

He will release it soon

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Still cannot be certain as the Bible makes no such claims as far as i know. It's good though that you now have a better idea of how "from the beginning" works. Knowledge of the end is said to be from the beginning, not before the beginning. Now, people with freewill are complex people. They have ability to change and to initiate. They are not robots or like the planets that you know the trajectory and movement to the degree. You cannot be too sure of a person, not even yourself. You might plan to do this and say this, then you get to the point and do something else. But definitely, God knows us all far more than we know ourselves and knows all that we may try to hide. This is the teaching of the Scriptures. God knows your trajectory and when you initiate something, He knows/weighs your motive and end. The Bible says by Him, actions are weighed, it is a continued process. The new testament gives a fuller perspective to the Scriptures that you alluded to by saying

Act_15:18  Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

So your god was not sure they'd become his enemies he just prepared a plan to sacrifice Jesus just in case?

i'm suggesting that you proceed to your point and not ask wild silly questions.

I will ask wild silly questions because you refuse to give straightforward answers. Besides my point was already made, your god has attritubes that make it silly to contemplate that he has hatred for the very things he created.

If there is no freewill, then there will obviously be no enemies. You and your brothers won't go against the will of God. You'd eternally obey God for billions of years like all other creatures and creation with no will of their own.

And what has that got to do with having a biological body with neurochemical structures that can be modified?

Okay good for you, you seemed against God having emotions, so i needed to confirm from you if there was a law barring Him from having emotions or neurochemistry. You don't have any such law or barring so let's proceed.

Still haven't answered the question, does your god have a neurological structure that can be modified, if he doesn't whence the emotions? BTW I dunno is an acceptable answer.

LordReed:


So your god was not sure they'd become his enemies he just prepared a plan to sacrifice Jesus just in case?






I will ask wild silly questions because you refuse to give straightforward answers. Besides my point was already made, your god has attritubes that make it silly to contemplate that he has hatred for the very things he created.








And what has that got to do with having a biological body with neurochemical structures that can be modified?





Still haven't answered the question, does your god have a neurological structure that can be modified, if he doesn't whence the emotions? BTW I dunno is an acceptable answer.

He is just showing that the Bible is a baseless compilation of bla bla bla.
But he doesn't know that's what he's doing.
Same thing goes for budaatum and other Bible quoters.
Ultimately, his brain is still under the influence of the Bible.