Kobojunkie:
I don't have to look for any such scripture.

If you don't want to believe what Jesus Christ tells you there in Matthew 5, then you simply don't.

Not everyone who believes in Jesus Christ accepts and obeys His teachings. Jesus Christ spoke of this.

You are the one saying I don't believe in what Jesus said.

What I have told you is to show where Jesus says SELF DEFENSE absolutely is a SIN? That I haven't sin from the scriptures.

Na two way street you dey concerning this discussion.

From Matthew 5

I have been looking for this and I almost skip it.....

If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile, go with him two

What do soldiers do in most countries they dwell or resides?

Should you go for self defense as your answer, what will you do in this case as it applies to Jesus words in bold up there?

achorladey:

You are the one saying I don't believe in what Jesus said.

What I have told you is to show where Jesus says SELF DEFENSE absolutely is a SIN? That I haven't sin from the scriptures.

Na two way street you dey concerning this discussion.
From Matthew 5
I have been looking for this and I almost skip it.....
If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile, go with him two
What do soldiers do in most countries they dwell or resides?
Should you go for self defense as your answer, what will you do in this case as it applies to Jesus words in bold up there?

There is no 2-way street where God's Law is concerned. We are called to Trust and Obey Him,no matter who we are or where we are.

Kobojunkie:
Again..
1. God calls you to the obedience of His Law. Jesus Christ is God's Law to you. I didn't quote the story of Jesus Christ but instead told you what God's law to you is as far as dealing with your "enemies" is concerned. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself.
Jesus Christ is the agreement between God and individual man where the Kingdom of God is cconcerned.His teachings, the Truth of God, contain the commandments of God to you. It is up to you to rise above your self, just as He also commands, to trust in and obey Him.

2. Nehemiah was a man under the Old Covenant Law of God whereas you are called as a person under the New Covenant Law that is Jesus Christ. You are called to obedience of God's New Covenant Law and this Covenant commands that you not defend yourself or fight back when robbers attack you. This covenant commands that you love your enemies and pray for them instead of attacking them in anyway or form.

3. You have to decide whether the Covenant that is Jesus Christ is good enough for you to follow. There is no alternative for you since this is the only gentile friendly option that God made with the world - Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.

1. Are you excluding old testament not part of the God's law.? I am telling you it is not a sin to defend yourself in the case of a robber wants to harm you.

2. God's call does not neglect the whole Bible because they were all inspired by God. Always note when Bible talks about physical or spiritual enemies. Why cannot Joseph starts to pray when herod wants to kill baby Jesus? There are times to run, hide and defend. In this context, if you cannot run from being harmed by robber, defend is option. So, it isn't a sin.

Kobojunkie:
There is no 2-way street where God's Law is concerned. We are called to Trust and Obey Him,no matter who we are or where we are.

You yourself stated earlier on that God defended the apple of his eyes and didn't on numerous occasions. Concerning SELF DEFENSE na two way street



We are called to Trust and Obey Him,no matter who we are or where we are

And no one said we shouldn't

achorladey:

You yourself stated earlier on that God defended the apple of his eyes and didn't on numerous occasions. Concerning SELF DEFENSE na two way street
We are called to Trust and Obey Him,no matter who we are or where we are
And no one said we shouldn't

Are you now on the same level as God Himself?

Kobojunkie:
Are you now on the same level as God Himself?

I am not on the same level as God he taught us to be perfect like him that's what we strive to do everyday.

Or are you perfect and in the same level like God?

Princewell2012:


God bless you. She don't know that it was even because of them that I was doing that.

Women think differently, but then, you are the man.

No matter what she wants you to protect her and your kids....It is ur natural duty...

Princewell2012:


Thank you. There was a time I wanted to flee my house because of fear. Lots of thoughts were going on in my mind weather to run or stay and face them.
I can't allow little children to rape my wife right before my face. so I have to join those boys outside to fight for my self. But my wife kicked against it, which nearly bring quarrel between us.

You wife kicked against it because she fears something bad might happen to you, like getting injured or killed, not because she think it is bad.

that's why i hate naija Christianity.it's bullshit.

achorladey:

I am not on the same level as God he taught us to be perfect like him that's what we strive to do everyday.

Or are you perfect and in the same level like God?

I didn't ask you of perfection but concerning the claim that even God's "defence of" or lack thereof is a 2-way street.

As for perfection, yes I am perfect since I am no longer a slave to sin. See John 8 and John 14 to learn how to become a Son of God too.

Munzy14:

Women think differently, but then, you are the man.

No matter what she wants you to protect her and your kids....It is ur natural duty...

Natural or man's ego to believe that?

Kobojunkie:
Yes it is!
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself.

Hmmmm....!

That is why other religions I will specify
"Muslims" toes the Christians up and down because they knew that the Christians ain't gonna go shit back.

But I tell you ehh, Jesus Christ is a great teacher.

Kobojunkie:
Yes it is!
Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself.

Hmmmm....!

That is why other religions I will specify
"Muslims" toes the Christians up and down because they knew that the Christians ain't gonna go shit back.

But I tell you ehh, Jesus Christ is a great teacher.

Just imagine Jesus said otherwise based on
Matt 5 Vs 38 : 48

achorladey:


The scripture he cited states at the end

Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


How are we perfect like our heavenly father when his enemies touches the apple of his eyes?

He should understand this life no be black and white.

leave that Naive being.

Na him go first carry cutlass when he feels threatened o!!

charlesucheh:
leave that Naive being.
Na him go first carry cutlass when he feels threatened o!!

Naive?

Regardless of what I do, if I am to find myself attacked by my enemies, the Word of God as far as this is concerned remains the Law ,don't you see.

God declared it a sin and a sin it remains, even if no one obeys His commandment.

Kobojunkie:
1. Actually, there are in fact 613 commandments, not 10, in the Old Covenant Law of Moses. The details of the Law is found written of in the Books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

2. In Deuteronomy 30, God ratifies the Law, with all 613 commandments in It with the Chidren of Israel for the Kingdom of Canaan, declaring that only those of them who obey Him will reap the promises declared as part of that agreement.

3. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, comes instead with. New agreement which contains about 50-something commandments and He, Jesus Christ declares that if you love Him, you will keep His commandments.

4. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Himself, Law in the Kingdom of God, declared that it is a sin to fight back or defend yourself.

you see my brother, most of the stories of Jesus Christ are like parables, figurative, and metaphorical. if you go for a direct translation, you will get it all wrong. but if you check, at the end of it all, he summed them up with the ten commandments which you're still dodging from with his words inscribed in RED. BE WISE!!!!!

If you have sheep, and wolves come close to kill them, will you fight back?

If you have a wife, and someone comes into your house attempting to stab you, kill your children and sleep with your wife, will you fight back?

If all your life savings are to be taken away one way or another, are you supposed to fight back?

And your life does not matter to God and you so that anybody can take it at will?

Are you saying God created you and this beautiful planet to be destroyed by some?

Are you saying God does not have any purpose for some people and they are meant to be dehumanised and wiped out by some evil creatures who do not have respect for human life and live by retrogressive thoughts?

Does God say the natural elements for self protection, and protection of your property which HE put in you must be abandoned because they are useless?

Did God not instruct Adam and Eve to care for and KEEP the garden of Eden (in their own interest)?

Is their failure to do so not responsible for what the world is suffering today?

Did Abraham not fight to protect Lot and his neighbours? Did he not receive support and blessing from a priest of God, Melchizedek, as a result? Did God condemn him?

Did he retaliate personal grudges? No. Did he have evil or destructive thought against other people? No. That's what Jesus Christ has taught us: live in peace with all men and holiness without which no one shall see the Lord.

However, self preservation and protection of all creation is a responsibility given man by the Lord Almighty. And in doing so is the will of God fulfilled. God will hold every person, body and organisation saddled with responsibility of security of life and property responsible and accountable for any failure. Heads of families, communities, churches, police, military forces, governments, international bodies, etc will be judged by God in respect of this (I have lots of things to say in respect of this but there is no time).

That is why Buhari and his terrorist groups must be told the truth. That is why Nigerians must protect themselves in view of the failure of the government of Buhari.

Did you know the Gospel is obstructed in a situation of insecurity of lives, property and environment? Before the birth of Christ and His Gospel, God had to use the Roman powers to police and secure every part of the then known world, build bridges, construct roads (infrastructure) , etc. People were able to move from one part of the empire to another without being waylaid, kidnapped, robbed by terrorists of the time, businesses were thriving, etc. So, when Jesus commanded His disciples to go to all parts of the world preaching the Gospel, they were able to do so easily. What they did not do was resent those who persecute them for the sake of Christ; they did not fight those who blasphemed their Saviour; they did not create an empire that would be ruled with Holy Scripture; they were arrested and brutally killed because they preached the Lord but were not denying their faith or fighting back on account of salvation matter.

So, in our case in Nigeria, people must be protected, property must be protected, environment must be preserved, there must be development, etc. When a government or some are averse to that, asking others to give their land or lives for RUGA, or be killed and kidnapped for ransoms, victims and good people must rise to the occasion. Failure to rise is a dereliction of divine duty and criminal abandonment of natural responsibility. God will judge that too. God just doesn't put people in power but for security of lives and property, and development. That is why Romans 13:1-5 commands Christians in time past and present to obey the government for our benefits because it is put in place to deal with criminality.

But when the devil is in charge of the government, resist the devil and he will flee from you (James 4:7). Wherever the devil is operating, resist him. When a government becomes a weapon of human rights violation and access of evils, God's judgement shall follow suit. When Ahab became evil and committed all sorts of human rights violation, Elijah, Michaiah, Jehu and others led resistance against him and his cabal until he was no more (1Kings 18, 19, 21 22; 2Kings10:1 - 17).

The evil king asked Naboth to give up his land for a vegetable garden (RUGA, if you like), but the latter denied him. The cabal who have a lot of terrorists working for them organised and killed him -With regard to Naboth's case, there are lots to say but not now. However, suffice to say dining and wining with the devil who desires your land for RUGA is not safe.

In short, the judgement of God came upon President Ahab. Blood is overflowing in Nigeria whose president is Mohammadu Buhari who is shirking his responsibility to protect Nigeria and Nigerians for reasons known to him, his cabal, etc, May God without further delay uproot their government in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen

It is not a sin to defend yourself or your family when attacked.
It is a sin to take up arms to go attack people who have done nothing to you.

charlesucheh:
you see my brother, most of the stories of Jesus Christ are like parables, figurative, and metaphorical. if you go for a direct translation, you will get it all wrong. but if you check, at the end of it all, he summed them up with the ten commandments which you're still dodging from with his words inscribed in RED. BE WISE!!!!!

Stop fooling yourself with these lies.

There is meaning in even the parables, figurative and metaphorical and so it is illogical to then choose to deny the meaning so you can cling to ignorance instead.
You don't need to translate any of what Jesus Christ taught you. It is presented you in human language so that using the basic human language comprehension skills you have,you can learn and understand what is presented to you even as it is given you.

I posted the verses where Jesus Christ Himself, in clear human speak, told you that you should not fight back or defend yourself against your enemies, yet you deny what is presented you, pretending instead that it is a mystery in front of you. Jesus Christ Himself showed you by His example tha Truth of what He taught-His own disciples also went to their deaths in similar manner , yet you continue to feign ignorance of the Truth of what is written. Do you think that by doing so, God will change His mind and His commandments to you?

Winneygirl:
It is not a sin to defend yourself or your family when attacked.
It is a sin to take up arms to go attack people who have done nothing to you.

It is a sin to defend yourself against your enemies!

Kobojunkie:
Naive?

Regardless of what I do, if I am to find myself attacked by my enemies, the Word of God as far as this is concerned remains the Law ,don't you see.

God declared it a sin and a sin it remains, even if no one obeys His commandment.

we can go over all these for years. it still won't confirm your reaction at that point..

seunayantokun:
If you have sheep, and wolves come close to kill them, will you fight back?

If you have a wife, and someone comes into your house attempting to stab you, kill your children and sleep with your wife, will you fight back?

If all your life savings are to be taken away one way or another, are you supposed to fight back?

And your life does not matter to God and you so that anybody can take it at will?

Are you saying God created you and this beautiful planet to be destroyed by some?

Are you saying God does not have any purpose for some people and they are meant to be dehumanised and wiped out by some evil creatures who do not have respect for human life and live by retrogressive thoughts?

Does God say the natural elements for self protection, and protection of your property which HE put in you must be abandoned because they are useless?

Did God not instruct Adam and Eve to care for and KEEP the garden of Eden (in their own interest)?

Is their failure to do so not responsible for what the world is suffering today?

Did Abraham not fight to protect Lot and his neighbours? Did he not receive support and blessing from a priest of God, Melchizedek, as a result? Did God condemn him?

Did he retaliate personal grudges? No. Did he have evil or destructive thought against other people? No. That's what Jesus Christ has taught us: live in peace with all men and holiness without which no one shall see the Lord.

However, self preservation and protection of all creation is a responsibility given man by the Lord Almighty. And in doing so is the will of God fulfilled. God will hold every person, body and organisation saddled with responsibility of security of life and property responsible and accountable for any failure. Heads of families, communities, churches, police, military forces, governments, international bodies, etc will be judged by God in respect of this (I have lots of things to say in respect of this but there is no time).

That is why Buhari and his terrorist groups must be told the truth. That is why Nigerians must protect themselves in view of the failure of the government of Buhari.

Did you know the Gospel is obstructed in a situation of insecurity of lives, property and environment? Before the birth of Christ and His Gospel, God had to use the Roman powers to police and secure every part of the then known world, build bridges, construct roads (infrastructure) , etc. People were able to move from one part of the empire to another without being waylaid, kidnapped, robbed by terrorists of the time, businesses were thriving, etc. So, when Jesus commanded His disciples to go to all parts of the world preaching the Gospel, they were able to do so easily. What they did not do was resent those who persecute them for the sake of Christ; they did not fight those who blasphemed their Saviour; they did not create an empire that would be ruled with Holy Scripture; they were arrested and brutally killed because they preached the Lord but were not denying their faith or fighting back on account of salvation matter.

So, in our case in Nigeria, people must be protected, property must be protected, environment must be preserved, there must be development, etc. When a government or some are averse to that, asking others to give their land or lives for RUGA, killed and kidnapped for ransoms, victims and good people must rise to the occasion. Failure to rise is a dereliction of divine duty and criminal abandonment of natural responsibility. God will judge that too. God just doesn't put people in power but for security of lives and property, and development. That is why Romans 13:1-5 commands Christians in time past and present to obey the government for our benefits because it is put in place to deal with criminality.

But when the devil is in charge of the government, resist the devil and he will flee from you (James 4:7). Wherever the devil is operating, resist him. When a government becomes a weapon of human rights violation and access of evils, God's judgement shall follow suit. When Ahab became evil and committed all sorts of human rights violation, Elijah, Michaiah, Jehu and others led resistance against him and his cabal until he was no more (1Kings 18, 19, 21 22; 2Kings10:1 - 17).

The evil king asked Naboth to give up his land for a vegetable garden (RUGA, if you like), but the latter denied him. The cabal who have a lot of terrorists working for them organised and killed him -With regard to Naboth's case, there are lots to say but now. However, suffice to say dining and wining with the devil who desires your land for RUGA is not safe.

In short, the judgement of God came upon President Ahab. Blood is overflowing in Nigeria whose president is Mohammadu Buhari who is shirking his responsibility to protect Nigeria and Nigerians for reasons known to him, his cabal, etc, May God without further delay uproot their government in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen

I laught at the way majority of you AVOID the teachings of Jesus Christ as if revealing that you don' even care for what He, the one who many of you call savior, has to say in regards to these things .

charlesucheh:
we can go over all these for years. it still won't confirm your reaction at that point..

Again, what has my reaction to do with the Truth of God in this or any other thing?

The question is "Is it a sin". I don't define what is sin for anyone...only Jesus Christ does that for those of us who claim to be Christian's, and His Word is God's Law.

Kobojunkie:
Stop fooling yourself with these lies.

There is meaning in even the parables, figurative and metaphorical and so it is illogical to then choose to deny the meaning so you can cling to ignorance instead.
You don't need to translate any of what Jesus Christ taught you. It is presented you in human language so that using the basic human language comprehension skills you have,you can learn and understand what is presented to you even as it is given you.

I posted the verses where Jesus Christ Himself, in clear human speak, told you that you should not fight back or defend yourself against your enemies, yet you deny what is presented you, pretending instead that it is a mystery in front of you. Jesus Christ Himself showed you by His example tha Truth of what He taught-His own disciples also went to their deaths in similar manner , yet you continue to feign ignorance of the Truth of what is written. Do you think that by doing so, God will change His mind and His commandments to you?

what's the true meaning of the word 'PARABLE?

EARTHLY WORDS WITH HEAVENLY MEANINGS.
Uncle, what are you now saying? they don't have direct translation. except you want to twist them to fit in your extremist point of view. are you sure you aren't on opium?

charlesucheh:
what's the true meaning of the word 'PARABLE?

EARTHLY WORDS WITH HEAVENLY MEANINGS.
Uncle, what are you now saying? they don't have direct translation. except you want to twist them to fit in your extremist point of view. are you sure you aren't on opium?

A Parable is simply a story with embedded meaning that is to be gleaned by the reader based on the context in which it was presented.

The stories are told in human language to human minds, to be gleaned using human thoughts and human language comprehension skills. There is nothing "heavenly" about the parables Jesus told to you.

In fact the same Jesus Christ instructed you to use the understanding that you have and more will be giving you if you do. Those who refuse to use the understanding they have in realizing the meaning of the Words of Jesus Christ, even the little understanding they have will be taken away from them, declared Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
A Parable is simply a story with embedded meaning that is to be gleaned by the reader based on the context in which it was presented.

The stories are told in human language to human minds, to be gleaned using human thoughts and human language comprehension skills. There is nothing "heavenly" about the parables Jesus told to you.

In fact the same Jesus Christ instructed you to use the understanding that you have and more will be giving you if you do. Those who refuse to use the understanding they have in realizing the meaning of the Words of Jesus Christ, even the little understanding they have will be taken away from them, declared Jesus Christ.

quote]Now, I know where our misconceptions come from. we were both groomed by different doctrines. it's obvious. the parable of the good Samaritan has meanings beyond just being helpful to one another and we can discuss that till thy kingdom come. Mr. Man like I said, until you state the ten commandments and show me were the subject contradicts it, I will just assume I've been arguing with an opium induced human....

charlesucheh:
quote]Now, I know where our misconceptions come from. we were both groomed by different doctrines. it's obvious. the parable of the good Samaritan has meanings beyond just being helpful to one another and we can discuss that till thy kingdom come. Mr. Man like I said, until you state the ten commandments and show me were the subject contradicts it, I will just assume I've been arguing with an opium induced human....

Why do I need to state the 10 commandments and show you where what subject contradicts?

The 613 commandments, not 10, of the Law of Moses belongs to those who are of the Blood of Jacob. God declared it so through His prophet Moses and this is clearly written of in Deuteronomy 30 for you to read
in clear Human language too

So tell me, are you born of the blood of Jacob

Even if you were born of that blood line, did you not make a decision to serve Jesus Christ instead, like His disciples did?

Kobojunkie:
Again, what has my reaction to do with the Truth of God in this or any other thing?

The question is "Is it a sin". I don't define what is sin for anyone...only Jesus Christ does that for those of us who claim to be Christian's, and His Word is God's Law.

And your ''is it a sin'' to me, has to do with actions that are contradictory to the ten commandments. And the last time I checked, you were still struggling to convince me that the subject is.....

Kobojunkie:
Why do I need to state the 10 commandments and show you where what subject contradicts?

The 613 commandments, not 10, of the Law of Moses belongs to those who are of the Blood of Jacob. God declared it so through His prophet Moses and this is clearly written of in Deuteronomy 30 for you to read
in clear Human language too

So tell me, are you born of the blood of Jacob

Even if you were born of that blood line, did you not make a decision to serve Jesus Christ instead, like His disciples did?

And what is the correlation between the 613 commandments and what I requested for pointblank! show me...

charlesucheh:
And your ''is it a sin'' to me, has to do with actions that are contradictory to the ten commandments. And the last time I checked, you were still struggling to convince me that the subject is.....

Unfortunately, I see now that it the case that you lack understanding of who Jesus Christ is, that is why you keep putting up the 10 commandments,rules given by God only to those who were born of the blood of Jacob.

Please, abandon the lies you have been fed and pick up that Bjble to read it for yourself. God's Truth has been available for the past 2000 years for you so it isn't God holding you back from His Truth but you continually choosing ignorance where His Truth is concerned.

charlesucheh:
And what is the correlation between the 613 commandments and what I requested for pointblank! show me...

The 10 were just the first 10 of 613 total commandment which were given as part of the Old Covenant Law of Moses.
And again, you and your kind where never included or bound by God to that Law. The only people God bound to that Law are the Israelites, who are descendants of Jacob. Read Deuteronomy 30 to know the Truth of God for yourself.