belovedsonofGod:
The dismissed branch pastor did a mistake by reporting on social media.

Why? So, if you were "unfairly" let go at your job, it would be a mistake for you to talk of it on social media?

Kobojunkiee:
Why? So, if you were "unfairly" let go at your job, it would be a mistake for you to talk of it on social media?

"Talk of it" or "reporting"?

Do not confuse the gods oga.

belovedsonofGod:

"Talk of it" or "reporting"?
Do not confuse the gods oga.

Will you discuss it or report what you consider injustice to the world?

.and What gods?.

Kobojunkiee:
Either!.

Master! Teach me!
I'm willing to learn.
No knowledge is wasted.

belovedsonofGod:

Master! Teach me!
I'm willing to learn.
No knowledge is wasted.

Huh? I am no master or teacher... no man has that authority in Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkiee:
Will you discuss it or report what you consider injustice to the world?

.and What gods?.

I won't.

Kobojunkiee:
Huh? I am no master or teacher... no man has that authority in Jesus Christ.

Noted!

From the way you argue in different threads, I thought you were a teacher.

belovedsonofGod:

Noted!
From the way you argue in different threads, I thought you were a teacher.

I am simply a follower of Jesus Christ just as everyone who is called to submit and obey His teachings, the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God.

The Truth is that this exposes and also confirms the real motive behind the drive of the church to create branches. It has nothing to do with the expansion of God's Kingdom but that of men.

As much as we'd rather want to sugarcoat this and lie to ourselves, it's a glaring case of misplaced priorities.

The same church that is erecting structures that cost billions upon billions, yet it can't find money to pay those they employed to pastor their church branches, which are yet able to run itself.

If the same person in question now starts preaches the nonsense that people want to hear, and it leads to the rise in membership of the branch and consequently the finances of the church, they would retain him regardless and wouldn't have excuses not to collect the extra from the church. Now it's the flip side and they're trying to use grammer to confuse themselves not those who know the Truth.

This is the reason why many now are no longer preaching the Words of the Spirit but the words of the flesh, because that's what men want to hear.

They'd also sack Jesus because He would preach the Words of the Spirit regardless, even if it makes Him not to meet the church's so-called growth-index, but wisdom is justified of her children.

God bless.

Kobojunkiee:
I am simply a follower of Jesus Christ just as everyone who is called to submit and obey His teachings,

Nice knowing that.

jesusjnr2020:
The Truth is that this exposes and also confirms the real motive behind the drive of the church to create branches. It has nothing to do with the expansion of God's Kingdom but that of men.

Deep words of a wise man.

We all know the truth in our heart.

Therefore, we can only deceive ourselves.

No man can deceive God.

livingchrist:
The fruit Jesus was talking about in Matthew is Repentance.

Matthew 3:8-12 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

That was not Jesus Christ but John the Baptist there in Matthew 3 vs 7-11, telling the sinners that repentance - a change of heart and life though obedience - was essential to gaining access to the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate.

In the Kingdom of God, the only fruit that matters is fruits grained as a result of works of righteousness as Jesus Christ made clear that that is the what we will all by judged for inthe end- Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46..

belovedsonofGod:


Deep words of a wise man.

We all know the truth in our heart.

Therefore, we can only deceive ourselves.

No man can deceive God.

I really hope so.

It's not easy, but we need to be honest with ourselves if we really want God to take us seriously and help us.

Thanks and God bless.

I strongly disagree. I have seen these things upclose way too many times to know the key indicators used in measuring pastors. While I am tempted to detail the whole thing, I'd rather stay quiet.

My disposition on this over the years remains the same.

after4:
Nonsense and useless truth from lie mohammed

The truth hurts.
Once you a bank teller you'll understand.

When you see the politicians paying money to churches because they want the pastor's to convince their members to vote them into power.

Kobojunkie:
That was not Jesus Christ but John the Baptist there in Matthew 3 vs 7-11, telling the sinners that repentance - a change of heart and life though obedience - was essential to gaining access to the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate.

In the Kingdom of God, the only fruit that matters is fruits grained as a result of works of righteousness as Jesus Christ made clear that that is the what we will all by judged for inthe end- Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46..

yeap John. Modified

In as much as thats funny, it still doesn't make it a business

malcom1X:


The truth hurts.
Once you a bank teller you'll understand.

When you see the politicians paying money to churches because they want the pastor's to convince their members to vote them into power.

after4:
In as much as thats funny, it still doesn't make it a business

It is nothing but a business built up by men for the benefit of the Kkingdom of men on earth. Jesus Christ warned you of men who would come fleecing his sheep in His name. Even Peter called out to you warning you that these wolves are only after power and money.

In the past there were false prophets among God’s people. It is the same now. You will have some false teachers in your group. They will teach things that are wrong—ideas that will cause people to be lost. And they will teach in a way that will be hard for you to see that they are wrong. They will even refuse to follow the Master who bought their freedom. And so they will quickly destroy themselves. 2 Many people will follow them in the morally wrong things they do. And because of them, others will say bad things about the way of truth we follow. 3 These false teachers only want your money. So they will use you by telling you things that are not true. But the judgment against these false teachers has been ready for a long time. And they will not escape God who will destroy them. - 2 Peter 2 vs 1 -3

So sad that this pastor bright out his sack letter in the public as though he was working for a secular organization.

Perhaps he's looking for sympathy or compensation... but it's a very wrong way to do it.

No pastor genuinely called of God would do such a thing... he should examine his calling again.

God will never forsake those He calls.

Ok

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

See another one here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkx5ziOkUKU

the only problem I have with the branch pastor is bringing the report on social media

The reason the pastors were sacked is because they were guilty of embezzlement. The amount of money they send they send to headquarters every week does not correspond with the population of their congregation.

Is it by force to worship at living faith church?

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

It is not about tithes and offerings, but an inclusion of tithes and offerings. Only a fool will think it's not because what's growth to a Conglomerate when finances are not involved? Don't be daft, we are human beings.

Very irrational submissions from you, sir. Is it only Winners Church that exists in Nigeria? Proliferation of churches in every nooks and cranny in this country only shows how competitive the church business is these days.

Stop being a fool, brother. The sacked 'pastor' was never a pastor in the real sense of it. He was employed as a Marketer to drive traffic to the church. His sack is not surprising to me because there are certain conditions attached to the job as a Marketer. You just have to meet your targets and give reports of your success only since it is a Winners Church no matter how crooked and dubious your efforts might be, and regardless of whether those that joined the Church did so for redemption of their souls.

How can Church be run the same way Corporate business is run in a secular world. Just like when Access bank sacked some employees during the Coronavirus, Winners is sacking a 'pastor' like a contract worker.

What infuriate most is a sentence in the letter where the man was commanded to hand over all the company properties and the Staff Identity card.

Nonsense

Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

yes, if that's what you want to here, if u no get Bible try and get one

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

I did not bother reading this because the bible that i know, Jesus said whomsoever his father calls, comes through. So if a pastor (whatever that even means) makes all the effort and it doesn't yield fruits, why not look at it from the angle where Paul said, I plant and apollos waters but God makes it germinate. Whoever the Lord has not called will not come, so why blame and punish your pastor for it. Meanwhile in simple arithmetic, an additional soul won (by hook or crook) equals 1+10% (in tithing). When a company is not doing well on ROI what happens is sacking. That's where we are. Y'all can sugarcoat it as you wish, it is what it is.

This opinion changes nothing at all. We all know the truth. More members, more money. I remember when I was attending a church in Aguda, Lagos, where we usually put offerings twice. So, many people tend to divide their budgeted offerings into smaller changes in other not to go round twice. The church later decided that people should begin putting only offering once but when the church found out that people were still making changes and putting in smaller amounts, the church had to revert to the two-times offering. It has always been about the money in this part of the world.

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

absolutely right, u re on point, cos I don't know y that pastor is doing that

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

You are very RIGHT.