Hismasterpiece:


Your watchtower has done you strong thing. When the Bible talks about the lake of fire it isn't being metaphorical. This is where God has caught you. You are able to wave off the doctrine of hell by saying that Jesus was being metaphorical when He taught about it and I can understand that.

But you can't use the same metric for the lake of fire because the Bible never talks about it from a metaphorical standpoint.

Also, spirits can't die. Think deeply about that. Annihilation-ism is never taught in scripture.

Spirit can't die? Funny question.
Didn't God really mean it when he said Adam and Eve would die and return to the ground?
Did their spirit continue live?

Okay can spirit burn in fire?

Can fire have any effect on Satan if he would be thrown into a literal fire?

Hismasterpiece:


Hell is a place of torment for sinners.

What about for non sinners?

LordReed:


That is one of them. I can't imagine that a so called all wise god would choose to punish all types of wrongdoing with the same punishment when even we humans don't do that.

The same punishment?

cornelboy:

What about for non sinners?

Heaven for those who repent and believe the gospel

cornelboy:


Spirit can't die? Funny question.
Didn't God really mean it when he said Adam and Eve would die and return to the ground?
Did their spirit continue live?

Okay can spirit burn in fire?

Can fire have any effect on Satan if he would be thrown into a literal fire?

So you don't believe men are spirits? Who live in bodies?

LordReed:


That is one of them. I can't imagine that a so called all wise god would choose to punish all types of wrongdoing with the same punishment when even we humans don't do that.

That's the thing. Hell has degrees of punishment for degrees of sin. Just like in human prisons. So....

Maynman:


Track back, it was you that deviated.

Lol.... I don't even remember what we were discussing initially sef... Do you?

Hismasterpiece:


Lol.... I don't even remember what we were discussing initially sef... Do you?

Right here.

Hismasterpiece:


So you don't believe men are spirits? Who live in bodies?

Genesis 2:7 KJV
[7]And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Man is just physical body made with clay. Nothing more. The breath of life from God aka spirit gives us life.

Before JEHOVAH breath life into Adam, he was just a lifeless body lying on the ground, that was just him.

Job 33:4
[4]The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
[7]Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

For everyone both righteous and unrighteous, wicked and good, when they die, the spirit or breath of life from God that gave them life automatically leaves them, they become lifeless, dead and return to dust.

Think of it, if Adam didn't sin he would be living forever. He would be here today, all of us would be dancing around naked eternally here on earth.

Man was created with physical body to live on earth, nothing more.

Adam wasn't a spirit being and he died. He's not existing anywhere now. It's not different for us their descendants.

cornelboy:


Genesis 2:7 KJV
[7]And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Man is just physical body made with clay. Nothing more. The breath of life from God aka spirit gives us life.

Before JEHOVAH breath life into Adam, he was just a lifeless body lying on the ground, that was just him.

Job 33:4
[4]The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
[7]Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

For everyone both righteous and unrighteous, wicked and good, when they die, the spirit or breath of life from God that gave them life automatically leaves them, they become lifeless, dead and return to dust.

Think of it, if Adam didn't sin he would be living forever. He would be here today, all of us would be dancing around naked eternally here on earth.

Man was created with physical body to live on earth, nothing more.

Adam wasn't a spirit being and he died. He's not existing anywhere now. It's not different for us their descendants.

But remember Your god said he created man in his image.. “we worship god in spirit”
And there are lot of verses in the Bible that says we are spiritual beings in a fleshy body, something like that.

Hismasterpiece:


Heaven for those who repent and believe the gospel

What about those that didn't hear the gospel? And those that existed before Jesus brought the good news?

What about those Jesus was referring to in John 5:28,29?
Why didn't they go to heaven or hell, why did they remain in their grave if they were spirit?

Lazarus Jesus friend, where was he that 4 days he was dead before Jesus raised him through God's power? The grave/hell, heaven or hell fire?

Lemme remind you again. There are two different words that were translated to hell in the Greek new testament;
Hadēs which simply means grave or She'ôl or hell.
Geenna/Gehenna which means something different to Hadēs. It's the name for a dump site situated outside Jerusalem. It was only used by Jesus like 11 times in the four gospel books.
It figuratively describes a place for the wicked and sinner.

You have a lot to figure out bro.

cornelboy:

What about those that didn't hear the gospel? And those that existed before Jesus brought the good news?
What about those Jesus was referring to in John 5:28,29?
Why didn't they go to heaven or hell, why did they remain in their grave if they were spirit?
Lazarus Jesus friend, where was he that 4 days he was dead before Jesus raised him through God's power? The grave/hell, heaven or hell fire?
Lemme remind you again. There are two different words that were translated to hell in the Greek new testament;
Hadēs which simply means grave or She'ôl or hell.
Geenna/Gehenna which means something different to Hadēs. It's the name for a dump site situated outside Jerusalem. It was only used by Jesus like 11 times in the four gospel books.
It figuratively describes a place for the wicked and sinner.
You have a lot to figure out bro.

If not that JEHOVAH doesn't do òjóró i would have challenged Him because of your case!

How can an unbaptized student who has not even joined us in preaching and teaching publicly be this good in defending the truth?

Well Jesus said when the seed fall on good soil it will germinates speedily! Matthew 13:8

I publicly praise Jehovah for hiding all these sacred secrets from the world's philosophers but has revealed it to young ones like you in the truth!
Matthew 11:25

MaxInDHouse:


If not that JEHOVAH doesn't do òjóró i would have challenged Him because of your case!

How can an unbaptized student who has not even joined us in preaching and teaching publicly be this good in defending the truth?

Well Jesus said when the seed fall on good soil it will germinates speedily! Matthew 13:8

I publicly praise Jehovah for hiding all these sacred secrets from the world's philosophers but has revealed it to young ones like you in the truth!
Matthew 11:25

Good compliment thanks

MaxInDHouse:


If not that JEHOVAH doesn't do òjóró i would have challenged Him because of your case!

How can an unbaptized student who has not even joined us in preaching and teaching publicly be this good in defending the truth?

Well Jesus said when the seed fall on good soil it will germinates speedily! Matthew 13:8

I publicly praise Jehovah for hiding all these sacred secrets from the world's philosophers but has revealed it to young ones like you in the truth!
Matthew 11:25

After meeting that JW man on Facebook, everything in the Bible made sense to me.
Like the doubts left and my questions were answered.
I couldn't believe the trinity, I knew something isn't right with the doctrine.
I don't why a loving God would create fire for those that didn't obey him. That portrays a diabolical leader.

I really wish I was born a JW. But I think this is best for me. Like I was once not in the truth but now found the TRUTH. You know how precious it is to me?

cornelboy:


After meeting that JW man on Facebook, everything in the Bible made sense to me.
Like the doubts left and my questions were answered.
I couldn't believe the trinity, I knew something isn't right with the doctrine.
I don't why a loving God would create fire for those that didn't obey him. That portrays a diabolical leader.

I really wish I was born a JW. But I think this is best for me. Like I was once not in the truth but now found the TRUTH. You know how precious it is to me?

You are in a deeper mess.

cornelboy:


After meeting that JW man on Facebook, everything in the Bible made sense to me.
Like the doubts left and my questions were answered.
I couldn't believe the trinity, I knew something isn't right with the doctrine.
I don't why a loving God would create fire for those that didn't obey him. That portrays a diabolical leader.

I really wish I was born a JW. But I think this is best for me. Like I was once not in the truth but now found the TRUTH. You know how precious it is to me?

No wonder Jesus said:

Go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel! Matthew 10:6

That's why i always refer to you as "BROTHER" from the very first time i came across your post. YES! You are one of Jehovah's lost sheep and JWs have found you the same way they found me!

Thanks. I won't mention or quote you for the rest of my life.

cornelboy:
Thanks. I won't mention or quote you for the rest of my life.

But you can’t lie to yourself for the rest of your life.

Deep down you know there are things you don’t understand in JW and it’s organization.

Your an athiest!

cornelboy:
Your an athiest!

And so are you, do you believe in Greek theos or Jehovah or Elohim or Yahweh?

cornelboy:

Thanks. I won't mention or quote you for the rest of my life.

You're still growing in the truth my brother.
Persons like Maynman are stubborn goats that often go about trying to discourage people from BELIEVING in God.
He ran into an apostate thread and he couldn't flow as i expected him the way he often talk as if he's confident of what he's saying only to start supporting the same people he called fools for believing the Bible translated by William Tyndale.
So if he can't maintain his stand in the presence of many who claims to BELIEVE in the Bible but became intimidated only to give them support, from today i realized that he is just deceiving himself up and down.
Let him be i too won't respond to his stupidity again!

cornelboy:
Your an athiest!

Your a witness of Jehovah aka William Tyndale, ask questions. Be critical like you were that time before you converted to JW..

Hismasterpiece:


That's the thing. Hell has degrees of punishment for degrees of sin. Just like in human prisons. So....

Where is that written in your bible?

LordReed:


Where is that written in your bible?

Ever heard "according to their works". It is written several times in the Bible. Where did you see that God will punish all types of wrongdoing with the same punishment in the Bible?

LordReed:


Where is that written in your bible?

Jesus talked about it.

cornelboy:


What about those that didn't hear the gospel? And those that existed before Jesus brought the good news?

What about those Jesus was referring to in John 5:28,29?
Why didn't they go to heaven or hell, why did they remain in their grave if they were spirit?

Lazarus Jesus friend, where was he that 4 days he was dead before Jesus raised him through God's power? The grave/hell, heaven or hell fire?

Lemme remind you again. There are two different words that were translated to hell in the Greek new testament;
Hadēs which simply means grave or She'ôl or hell.
Geenna/Gehenna which means something different to Hadēs. It's the name for a dump site situated outside Jerusalem. It was only used by Jesus like 11 times in the four gospel books.
It figuratively describes a place for the wicked and sinner.

You have a lot to figure out bro.

All you've said does not explain the parable rich man and lazarus. And the Scriptures about the lake of fire in the book of revelations being a place where people are tormented day and night. The Bible clearly says that they are tormented day and night and the smoke of their torment ascends forever. It also says that the rich man was being tormented too.

What do you have to say to that? The Bible is very careful in its description of the lake of fire and even goes as far as to say that death and hades were thrown into it.

cornelboy:


Genesis 2:7 KJV
[7]And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Man is just physical body made with clay. Nothing more. The breath of life from God aka spirit gives us life.

Before JEHOVAH breath life into Adam, he was just a lifeless body lying on the ground, that was just him.

Job 33:4
[4]The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
[7]Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

For everyone both righteous and unrighteous, wicked and good, when they die, the spirit or breath of life from God that gave them life automatically leaves them, they become lifeless, dead and return to dust.

Think of it, if Adam didn't sin he would be living forever. He would be here today, all of us would be dancing around naked eternally here on earth.

Man was created with physical body to live on earth, nothing more.

Adam wasn't a spirit being and he died. He's not existing anywhere now. It's not different for us their descendants.

Ok, so you believe that once a person dies they cease to exist?

Maynman:


Right here.

Yeah.. from the way you commented you seemed to insinuate that you were a believer.

Hismasterpiece:


Yeah.. from the way you commented you seemed to insinuate that you were a believer.

You got it wrong.

Hismasterpiece:


Jesus talked about it.

Where?

Hismasterpiece:


Ok, so you believe that once a person dies they cease to exist?

Sure bro. But God will raise people to life in the future when Jesus comes back.
Some are actually in heaven now ruling together with Jesus as kings. They already resurrected and part of God's Kingdom. Jesus is their KING.
These people have the zeal of the holy spirit and GOD is choosing them from every corner the earth. There are just 144000 in numbers according to the book of Revelations.

Hismasterpiece:


All you've said does not explain the parable rich man and lazarus. And the Scriptures about the lake of fire in the book of revelations being a place where people are tormented day and night. The Bible clearly says that they are tormented day and night and the smoke of their torment ascends forever. It also says that the rich man was being tormented too.

What do you have to say to that? The Bible is very careful in its description of the lake of fire and even goes as far as to say that death and hades were thrown into it.

Okay lemme ask you some few questions.

What is Hadēs/hell/grave can it burn in a literal fire or be tormented?
Is death something literal or abstract? Can it burn in fire?

When will the wicked started burning in fire? Immediately after death?