PointB:


I didn't praise UK or hate your god.

Go and revise your comprehension.

Well in this case, while I revise my comprehension, I think is good you learn to accept defeat first, especially when you want to make sense with less knowledge about what you intended to argue about

lordally:


Nice one. I dey tell people say, if you are in a good country, you don't need prayers for things to work.

Prayers doesn't work even in underdeveloped country like Nigeria.

Beremx:
are you an atheist?

Do you believe one can believe in God without being a Christian?

Calitoscassius:
Then this article which says she was sacked and deported is a false article.

you know our brothers know how to generate fake traffic by pushing fake news on front page

Ezmans:
thing like what ?

Believer must not be associated with non believers including their family members
Believers must not eat dirty animal Pig
Jesus was never married but churches (pentecostal) are ecounraging marriages, they claim that is what God wants.
If believers are slapped on one side of their cheeks they should turn the other cheek, love your neighbour as yourself, yet some churches are always praying to God to purnish their enemies.

Give up all your wealth to the poor and seek the kingdom of God. No! Christians ever did or will ever do that, co's they are busy praying for prosperities.

Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit, if spirits cannot be seen (as claimed by christians) how did the spirit got Mary Pregnant?.

Jesus ressurected after 3 days of being murdered by humans. Who witnessed the ressurection?

There are many many more questionable bible verses i could list here but let me stop here


Even the Jehova Witness bible says a completely different story from the other bibles

All bible stories or verses are questionable.

Calitoscassius:
Believer must not be associated with non believers including their family members
Believers must not eat dirty animal Pig
Jesus was never married but churches (pentecostal) are ecounraging marriages, they claim that is what God wants.
If believers are slapped on one side of their cheeks they should turn the other cheek, love your neighbour as yourself, yet some churches are always praying to God to purnish their enemies.

Give up all your wealth to the poor and seek the kingdom of God. No! Christians ever did or will ever do that, co's they are busy praying for prosperities.

Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit, if spirits cannot be seen (as claimed by christians) how did the spirit got Mary Pregnant?.

Jesus ressurected after 3 days of being murdered by humans. Who witnessed the ressurection?

There are many many more questionable bible verses i could list here but let me stop here


Even the Jehova Witness bible says a completely different story from the other bibles

All bible stories or verses are questionable.

you are right in somethings you said but the bible only encourage us to love our neighbors as our self both believers & unbelievers also the bible only encourages us to give to the poor not given all our wealth to the churches or pastor, also Mary Magdalene withness Jesus resurrection

salem1996:


Well in this case, while I revise my comprehension, I think is good you learn to accept defeat first, especially when you want to make sense with less knowledge about what you intended to argue about

Okay. I accept deafeat, I hope you're now exceedingly full of overflowing joy, and heavenly happiness.

Bridget95:
Thanks to God

Lol. Very funny.

Ezmans:
you are right in somethings you said but the bible only encourage us to love our neighbors as our self both believers & unbelievers also the bible only encourages us to give to the poor not given all our wealth to the churches or pastor, also Mary Magdalene withness Jesus resurrection

Good, i am glad you agree with some of what i have listed, you are very reasonable unlike some of if not most so called christians..


Exactly, the bible tells us that Mary Magdalene witnessed Jesus ressurection that assumption is also questionable.

damosky12:


Smh. These are not the words of a believer!

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were arrogant to obey God contrary to the opposing laws of their land? Daniel was arrogant to pray when the laws of his land asked him not to? The Apostles were arrogant and disobedient to preach when the laws asked them not to?

You need to decide who you really serve on this earth. Almighty God or your fleeting vanities? You need to take a clear stand where you pitch your tent.



‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:18‭-‬19‬ ‭NIV‬‬
[18] Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. [19] But Peter and John replied, “Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to him? You be the judges!

Sir, If I may recall correctly, during the time of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego prayers were BANNED and also during Daniel's time prayers were BANNED. In this case, prayers were not banned they just established rules which involved notifying another department which sole purpose was to handle anything relating to religious matters which includes praying for patients and providing them comfort based on their religion.

Every organisation has it's rules, these rules are put in place for so everyone can know their boundaries and the consequences attached to breaking them....rules are meant to be followed and if you choose to break them then they are consequences... It's as simple as that. Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God.

The lady in question stepped outside the parameters of her professional boundaries and even though she was doing the right thing according to her religious beliefs, she has to face the consequences.

I know that God exists and miracles really do happen but what alot of us fail to see is that science itself is a miracle God gave man. The fact that man has the ability to create medicines, perform life changing surgeries is a miracle. So why then do we bother God when he has already answered our prayers🤷

Funny how it's this same UK that showed her the religion

Tynaclem1:


Sir, If I may recall correctly, during the time of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego prayers were BANNED and also during Daniel's time prayers were BANNED. In this case, prayers were not banned they just established rules which involved notifying another department which sole purpose was to handle anything relating to religious matters which includes praying for patients and providing them comfort based on their religion.

You are trying too hard to make this make sense... The Bible specifically instructs to pray for the sick. Whatever law that BANS praying for the sick is not one I should obey if I must obey God's word.

If you area believer in Jesus Christ, you can't reasonably justify any law that stops you from preaching to one who is eternally perishing or praying for a sick. You can't be politically correct in a secular world and be on God's side.

Every organisation has it's rules, these rules are put in place for so everyone can know their boundaries and the consequences attached to breaking them....rules are meant to be followed and if you choose to break them then they are consequences... It's as simple as that. Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God.

First the "give unto Caesar" cliche is too highly abused. The only thing Jesus gave to ceasar was tax! That's the context. He never followed any "rule" that barred him from preaching.

If you read my post you quoted well, you'd see that the Apostles of Jesus Christ were faced with similar rules. But they would not succumb to man's rules at God's expense.

What are the consequences? Have you ever read about the prices the early Christians faced for their faith? Ordinary oyibo man's land deportation shouldn't get you so worked up at the expense of eternal purpose.

The lady in question stepped outside the parameters of her professional boundaries and even though she was doing the right thing according to her religious beliefs, she has to face the consequences.

Except if she constituted a nuisance with her prayer, praying for a sick person has no limit. Same with preaching to an unbeliever. No commited believer in Jesus Christ would take such a lethargic, lukewarm stance as this! Again, what "consequences" are enough to stop a man from living for God?

I know that God exists and miracles really do happen but what alot of us fail to see is that science itself is a miracle God gave man. The fact that man has the ability to create medicines, perform life changing surgeries is a miracle. So why then do we bother God when he has already answered our prayers🤷

Lol. Why then do you bother God? So laughable a stance! You probably don't know what miracles mean.

It means God's intervention in man's limitations. Science and medicine today is limited. It's there for you to see. That's why you cant choose to build your whole life on your fellow man's findings. God made you! He has the answers for you when man's ability fails. That's why we pray!

Selah!

Antoeni:
As Christian, We Should knows Our Limits ,There are DO's & DON'Ts In Every Organization, Abide or Quit.
It Serves Her Right

The fact that we are sharing the same country space with people like you shows how much owners of animal pets can like their pets



An animal would think better than you

Antoeni:


Credit: Dr. Olufunmilayo

Na this kain nurse go dey recommend "anointing oil" for person who get headache
😂 😂 😂

damosky12:


You are trying too hard to make this make sense... The Bible specifically instructs to pray for the sick. Whatever law that BANS praying for the sick is not one I should obey if I must obey God's word.

If you area believer in Jesus Christ, you can't reasonably justify any law that stops you from preaching to one who is eternally perishing or praying for a sick. You can't be politically correct in a secular world and be on God's side.




First the "give unto Caesar" cliche is too highly abused. The only thing Jesus gave to ceasar was tax! That's the context. He never followed any "rule" that barred him from preaching.

If you read my post you quoted well, you'd see that the Apostles of Jesus Christ were faced with similar rules. But they would not succumb to man's rules at God's expense.

What are the consequences? Have you ever read about the prices the early Christians faced for their faith? Ordinary oyibo man's land deportation shouldn't get you so worked up at the expense of eternal purpose.



Except if she constituted a nuisance with her prayer, praying for a sick person has no limit. Same with preaching to an unbeliever. No commited believer in Jesus Christ would take such a lethargic, lukewarm stance as this! Again, what "consequences" are enough to stop a man from living for God?




Lol. Why then do you bother God? So laughable a stance! You probably don't know what miracles mean.

It means God's intervention in man's limitations. Science and medicine today is limited. It's there for you to see. That's why you cant choose to build your whole life on your fellow man's findings. God made you! He has the answers for you when man's ability fails. That's why we pray!

Selah!

I get your point sir but I feel you're not getting mine. With the absence of rules comes anarchy and lawlessness...with that the modus operandi of any organisation is destroyed. If you were incharge of recruitment in a hospital would you recruit based on religious beliefs or professional expertise. I can bet that you would not employ a mechanic or even a cleric to carry out the job of a doctor or nurse.

The lady in question was hired and paid based on on her professional qualifications and nothing more. She was hired to do a job which entails providing care and comfort according to the boundaries of her profession... Clerics were also hired to that effect... This is to ensure every one carry out their jobs effectively.

The patient in question came to the hospital for the sole purpose of getting treated for an ailment because that is what hospitals are meant for. If they wanted prayers they could have gone to church. Now the hospital went ahead to create a department that can provide comfort and prayers for sick patients so that things like what this nurse did would not happen. The truth is she made a choice based on her religious beliefs and should be ready to face the consequences.

She was at work she should have performed the duties required of her and nothing more. That is what I implied as giving to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

They know very well that god does not existThey know very well that god does not exist...

Tynaclem1:


I get your point sir but I feel you're not getting mine. With the absence of rules comes anarchy and lawlessness...with that the modus operandi of any organisation is destroyed. If you were incharge of recruitment in a hospital would you recruit based on religious beliefs or professional expertise. I can bet that you would not employ a mechanic or even a cleric to carry out the job of a doctor or nurse.

The lady in question was hired and paid based on on her professional qualifications and nothing more. She was hired to do a job which entails providing care and comfort according to the boundaries of her profession... Clerics were also hired to that effect... This is to ensure every one carry out their jobs effectively.

The patient in question came to the hospital for the sole purpose of getting treated for an ailment because that is what hospitals are meant for. If they wanted prayers they could have gone to church. Now the hospital went ahead to create a department that can provide comfort and prayers for sick patients so that things like what this nurse did would not happen. The truth is she made a choice based on her religious beliefs and should be ready to face the consequences.

She was at work she should have performed the duties required of her and nothing more. That is what I implied as giving to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

I get you. But the "give to ceasar..." quote is taken out of context from Jesus'original statement. But I get you.

As per what the lady did, you and I probably don't have all the key details. But, on a pragmatic level, there is absolutely nothing wrong with praying for a sick person. Except, of course, she was too conspicuous or messy with the way she went about it.

The point is that she, as a Christian, has the duty to pray for the sick. It's literally what Jesus commands! Its the same way Jesus commanded for His disciples to preach to all. The key thing is for us to not be offensive about it and go about it cautiously and peacefully (with the permission of whoever she was praying for). If this was how she went about her prayer and she was punished, she's got nothing to lose.

In summary, we don't review our christian values with secular punitive laws. We just ensure we get our ethics right (love, peace, courtesy, forgiveness, etc. and constituting no nuisance). If any law has any issue with that, we simply say:

‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:19‬ ‭NIV‬‬
[19] But Peter and John replied, “Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to him? You be the judges!

jaephoenix:

Learn to concentrate in discourses. We're talking about that universal sign. The Rod of Aesclepus logo was taken into modern medicine. Not Moses. Those people of Israelites didn’t exist historically. Neither did Moses. So how could the Greeks incorporate stuff from non-existent people?
What's my business with Israel and Yahweh? So if antigod people need god, why do you always prophesy and direct hate and death on those antigod folks?

Israel is right in front of you to see with its history and you say it does not exist? Your level of delusion is powerful.

Dtruthspeaker:


Israel is right in front of you to see with its history and you say it does not exist? Your level of delusion is powerful.

Israel only existed as a nation in 1948. Previous to that, there was no Israel. I thought they said lawyers know history? You seem completely ignorant of history, assuming you're a lawyer

Sirmwill:


The fact that we are sharing the same country space with people like you shows how much owners of animal pets can like their pets



An animal would think better than you

Whats wrong with his post

Calitoscassius:
Good, i am glad you agree with some of what i have listed, you are very reasonable unlike some of if not most so called christians..


Exactly, the bible tells us that Mary Magdalene witnessed Jesus ressurection that assumption is also questionable.

why is his resurrection questionable

DomPerignon:


Zionist fool can you explain why there is also a Red Crescent organization to cater for the Islamic world?

1. I never insulted you, but you just had to do it
2. I'm not a Zionist or Israel follower. I'm a humanist
3. The Red Crescent was borne by Muslims cos they assume the Red Cross is for Christians, which is not true. Red Cross covers everybody, irrespective of religion. The founder of Red Cross is not even a Christian

damosky12:


I get you. But the "give to ceasar..." quote is taken out of context from Jesus'original statement. But I get you.

As per what the lady did, you and I probably don't have all the key details. But, on a pragmatic level, there is absolutely nothing wrong with praying for a sick person. Except, of course, she was too conspicuous or messy with the way she went about it.

The point is that she, as a Christian, has the duty to pray for the sick. It's literally what Jesus commands! Its the same way Jesus commanded for His disciples to preach to all. The key thing is for us to not be offensive about it and go about it cautiously and peacefully (with the permission of whoever she was praying for). If this was how she went about her prayer and she was punished, she's got nothing to lose.

In summary, we don't review our christian values with secular punitive laws. We just ensure we get our ethics right (love, peace, courtesy, forgiveness, etc. and constituting no nuisance). If any law has any issue with that, we simply say:

‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:18‭-‬19‬ ‭NIV‬‬
[18] Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. [19] But Peter and John replied, “Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to him? You be the judges!

You have a point when you said Jesus commanded that we pray for the sick...but in this case, you never stated in what context should we pray...if she was to pray for the patient to receive their healing or we pray for them to find comfort, courage and believe that God is there to help them get through the illness they are facing ... Am in no way supporting she pray either way but pls move on to my next paragraph 🙂

At the time Jesus made that statement we literally had nothing like modern science, we had no panadol to cure headaches and doctors to perform life changing surgeries but now that we have them and with the fast pace at which we are advancing in the medical field I feel like praying for the sick is SOMEWHAT unnecessary.

It's just like relocating abroad and praying for nepa to bring light when there is 24/7 electricity and you just have to pay your bills i.e work to keep a steady electricity. So also the patients coming to the hospital and paying for her medical bills to receive treatment which God has already provided for us through the miracle of science.

Yes science is limited but where are we without it.🤷God answers prayers but he cannot provide answers to prayers he has already provided a solution for... It's just crazy

So from my point of view you can see that she lacked understanding and she clearly broke the rules. It is also in the same bible Jesus taught on obedience and Paul taught on respect for constituted authorities.

PointB:



Okay. I accept deafeat, I hope you're now exceedingly full of overflowing joy, and heavenly happiness.

Your acceptance or not add nothing to me.

Ezmans:
why is his resurrection questionable

No reliable record of Jesus existence, never mind, his resurrection

jaephoenix:

1. I never insulted you, but you just had to do it
2. I'm not a Zionist or Israel follower. I'm a humanist
3. The Red Crescent was borne by Muslims cos they assume the Red Cross is for Christians, which is not true. Red Cross covers everybody, irrespective of religion. The founder of Red Cross is not even a Christian

Zionist fool, can you explain why Muslims will feel offended to a symbol you claim had no religious roots ?

Why then did the same Red Cross organization not change their symbol but instead created another symbol for Muslims complete with only Muslim caregivers , nurse and doctors ?

Fool.

damosky12:


Its point blank foolishness to assume everyone is coward like you most likely are. Why flip the tables here?

It's you who would lick another man's a** to keep a job na. Yiu are the ones given to the opium of oyibo man's land that you would worship satan to keep your visa. Not every believer is that ephemeral! Some people still have eternal values. Smell the coffee!

Dumb empty nonsense from an emotional fool. Like I said, there are lots of people that need Jesus in Afghanistan. Go there to preach and be glad you did it to the glory of God. If not you are just a moronic coward.

If you don't post a picture of yourself in Afghanistan before next year runs out, the whole world will see you are nothing but a worthless religious fool with a big mouth and no balls.

Buliwyf:


Dumb empty nonsense from an emotional fool. Like I said, there are lots of people that need Jesus in Afghanistan. Go there to preach and be glad you did it to the glory of God. If not you are just a moronic coward.

If you don't post a picture of yourself in Afghanistan before next year runs out, the whole world will see you are nothing but a big worthless religious fool with a big mouth and no balls.

Rabid dog. Rest!

damosky12:


Rabid dog. Rest!

Religious mangy goat. Put your money where your mouth is so we can take you seriously. Proud fool encouraging what he cannot do.

cococandy:


When doing admissions, can the nurse ask the patients for any spiritual needs or requests for chaplaincy?

Yes. It's part of admission requirement. If at any point you had an urgency for spiritual need, there is always somebody around who will do that. (I noticed the chaplaincy always has somebody available 247) Not the nurse duty. Whether care home, domiciliary wherever, it's not part of your duty. If it's care home, they always come and conduct services for them. Some are taken to church. You belong to a particular denomination, eg deeper life, there maybe no deeper life pastor but a pentecostal pastor will do eg redeem.

Very good, una No wan get sense ba.

Tynaclem1:


You have a point when you said Jesus commanded that we pray for the sick...but in this case, you never stated in what context should we pray...if she was to pray for the patient to receive their healing or we pray for them to find comfort, courage and believe that God is there to help them get through the illness they are facing ... Am in no way supporting she pray either way but pls move on to my next paragraph 🙂

At the time Jesus made that statement we literally had nothing like modern science, we had no panadol to cure headaches and doctors to perform life changing surgeries but now that we have them and with the fast pace at which we are advancing in the medical field I feel like praying for the sick is SOMEWHAT unnecessary.

What you are doing here, Sir, is beating around. Jesus commanded to pray for the SICK. He never commanded His followers to abandon medical science (which, by the way, existed in the furst century too). But He commanded not to trust in anything that's from man.

You seem to really bank your life on medical science so much. That's rather too naive, given the fact that the frailty US/UK healthcare has been continually projected since covid. Where your dogmatic optimism from?

It's just like relocating abroad and praying for nepa to bring light when there is 24/7 electricity and you just have to pay your bills i.e work to keep a steady electricity. So also the patients coming to the hospital and paying for her medical bills to receive treatment which God has already provided for us through the miracle of science.

I was almost tempted to ask you some personal questions. This is a rather naive take, Sir. Medical science as we know it is limited to be all that God has provided. The same Western medical science that has the biggest hospital casualties in 2020 to 2021? Or which?

You don't have to have a university degree to know this. Thankfully, God is not limited. That's why we pray for the sick. The miraculous is the intervention of the divine in the limitations of man. There is no logical proposition from you that's negating this!

Yes science is limited but where are we without it.🤷God answers prayers but he cannot provide answers to prayers he has already provided a solution for... It's just crazy

No! Think a little bit. Science is a function of man's discovery. Tuberculosis, for instance, was incurable in the 19th to early 20th century. Why? Because God was limited? No! Common sense No! It was man's limitation.

But common sense begats that God isnt limited by man's limitation. He does miracles when we pray! There are countless instances. You may choose to ignore these instances. It's fine! But there are countless instances of many healed from situations beyond man's current science!

So from my point of view you can see that she lacked understanding and she clearly broke the rules. It is also in the same bible Jesus taught on obedience and Paul taught on respect for constituted authorities.

Are you the one I've been engaging on this? If so, I think I already dealt with this in a previous reply.

Nevertheless, I'll sum it up for you again. No human rule is to be obayed at the expense of God's. There are hierarchies in rules. God's rules come first!


Think over this relevant scenario:


‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:18‭-‬19‬ ‭NIV‬‬
[18] Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. [19] But Peter and John replied, “Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to him? You be the judges.