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MaxInDHouse:
Since you've agree that the understanding of God's perfect word by imperfect humans needs to be updated do you still worry over that?
Because i will not give you as you hate the truth, now you're convinced that there has never been a time imperfect God's servants got the understanding of God's word perfectly shey?

Ọmọ it's only Jesus of Nazareth who got everything perfectly and that's because he is the only begotten son from God but as for all other servants of God none ever god the understanding of God's word PERFECTLY.

Go through your Bible from Genesis to Revelations you can never see just one i will tell you where they err in their understanding because it's our heritage if anyone ever gets the understanding of God's word perfectly then such a person don't need God's Son as a counselor.

That's what it means when Jesus said:
For God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that those believing him might not perish but have everything life. John3:16

So if you're arguing over imperfect humans making mistakes in their understanding of God's word then you don't know why God sent Jesus! His only begotten Son!

I am sure you would not be surprised when the JW finally update all their teachings and agree with all I say.

tctrills:
Please can you do me a favor and link me to you publication with the updated definition of poor in spirit.
Please link me to the latest update.

Let me give you this

The first thing that Jesus mentioned is especially important. He said: “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.” (Matthew 5:3) If we are conscious of our spiritual need, we recognize that we need to know God and that we need his help and direction. How do we show that? By studying the Bible, obeying God, and making his worship the most important thing in our life. Doing these things will help us to be happy. Our faith that God’s promises will soon come true will be stronger. And “the happy hope” that we find in the Bible will encourage us.​—Titus 2:13..... 2018

Versus......

During his famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus used an expression that is often translated “Blessed are the poor in spirit.” (Matthew 5:3, King James Version) But in many languages, a literal rendering of this expression is obscure. In some cases, a strictly literal translation could imply that “the poor in spirit” are mentally unbalanced or lacking in vitality and determination. However, Jesus was here teaching people that their happiness depended, not on satisfying their physical needs, but on recognizing their need for God’s guidance. (Luke 6:20) Thus, such renderings as “those conscious of their spiritual need” or “those who know their need for God” convey more accurately the meaning of the original expression.—Matthew 5:3; The New Testament in Modern English..... 2002

tctrills what is the difference? That MaxInDHouse wants to hide his face from the lies and manipulations of the scripture including his personal opinion that goes against the words of his GODS wirtten in their publications

achorladey:
Let me give you this




Versus......




tctrills what is the difference?

This is just about the same as my definition so can MaxinDHouse give us the 2023 translation?

tctrills:
I am sure you would not be surprised when the JW finally update all their teachings and agree with all I say.

Let me remind you all that you've said on this thread:

(1) Anybody can read the Bible to know God.
(2) So no need for teachers of God's word.
(3) An armed robber can be BORN AGAIN.
(4) You don't have to belong to any group to be a worshiper of God.
(5) God's servants don't err in their understanding of God's word because holy spirit is guiding them.
(6) All worshipers of God are going to the same place. Heaven.
(7) We can't know God's thought even though we study the Bible.
(8} God doesn't have a unique organization.

All these are totally against the heritage of God's people because we totally disagree with all what you've said. Of course there is always updates on our understanding of certain things in the Bible but never will God's people agree with you that all servants of our God are going to heaven neither can we agree with you that servants of God must have perfect understanding of God's word and our God has never ever chosen a thief to be among His anointed ones because the first crime ever is STEALING!

tctrills:
This is just about the same as my definition so can MaxinDHouse give us the 2023 translation?

If you have anything to discuss with me come out straight to me because i don't even read the comments of your friend!

tctrills:
Hope you are following the performance of your beloved brother MaxinDHouse.
He has finally confessed that your organization is not led by inspired men and there are mistakes and imperfections in your doctrine.
This is the most honest he has ever been.
We finally got him to that point.

Lol and you think we don't know that before?

cornelboy:
Lol and you think we don't know that before?

He is relying on the deception of apostates who will never tell him anything good about JWs when he thought we are FAITHFULLY OBEDIENT to the Governing Body perhaps because we feel they're perfect or infallible i told him we already know they're capable of making mistakes instead of his friend to quote where the Governing Body said they're prone to errors he kept quiet about that watching him arguing blindly until i proved to him that th one and only servant of God that's infallible is Jesus Christ!

cornelboy:
Lol and you think we don't know that before?

I am happy you know that you can never be sure if your present doctrines and beliefs are correct because you never know when they would be changed

MaxInDHouse:
He is relying on the deception of apostates who will never tell him anything good about JWs when he thought we are FAITHFULLY OBEDIENT to the Governing Body perhaps because we feel they're perfect or infallible i told him we already know they're capable of making mistakes instead of his friend to quote where the Governing Body said they're prone to errors he kept quiet about that watching him arguing blindly until i proved to him that th one and only servant of God that's infallible is Jesus Christ!

You are in an organization that any or all it's teaches could be wrong by tomorrow. You have an organization that could tweak and change their truth at any moment.
It seems you are one of the most dishonest organizations I have met and trust me, I have met a few hundreds of organizations.

MaxInDHouse:
If you have anything to discuss with me come out straight to me because i don't even read the comments of your friend!

Oga this world is not about you. This is a forum it's not your parlour.
We are all forging ideas together. You are free to read from who you want but you should not attempt to direct the flow of my communication.
Please respect that.

MaxInDHouse:
Let me remind you all that you've said on this thread:

(1) Anybody can read the Bible to know God.
(2) So no need for teachers of God's word.
(3) An armed robber can be BORN AGAIN.
(4) You don't have to belong to any group to be a worshiper of God.
(5) God's servants don't err in their understanding of God's word because holy spirit is guiding them.
(6) All worshipers of God are going to the same place. Heaven.
(7) We can't know God's thought even though we study the Bible.
(8} God doesn't have a unique organization.

All these are totally against the heritage of God's people because we totally disagree with all what you've said. Of course there is always updates on our understanding of certain things in the Bible but never will God's people agree with you that all servants of our God are going to heaven neither can we agree with you that servants of God must have perfect understanding of God's word and our God has never ever chosen a thief to be among His anointed ones because the first crime ever is STEALING!

Just wait a bit, very soon your leaders would update your teachings and the 8 points you wrote above would no longer be relevant.

According to you, your organization was teaching falsehoods about the poor in spirit.

The question you should be asking is, what other falsehoods are they presently teaching.

We would be foolish to believe that they have corrected all their falsehoods.

Remember, up until 2001 they were still teaching this particular falsehood.

In fact, one could be right to say that the JW is a false organization and honestly you don't know if your present beliefs are right or in need of updating.

I am beginning to understand why you guys depend so much on guesswork, its because you really have no true believes.

cornelboy:
Lol and you think we don't know that before?

Please when you preach to anyone, don't forget to tell the person that your message might not be true in the future.
MaxinDHouse take note too.

tctrills:
Please when you preach to anyone, don't forget to tell the person that your message might not be true in the future.
MaxinDHouse take note too.

Lol I could take you seriously actually but nah, you're an unreasonable person that only argue fruitlessly.
Also you were trying to suggest the thief beside Jesus was a born again lol 😂

tctrills:
I am happy you know that you can never be sure if your present doctrines and beliefs are correct because you never know when they would be changed

Lol the fact that you can't simplify decode that the thief could never have been a born again i.e baptized by the spirit and water, you want the Bible to write it bolded for you before you understand or accept lol.

Just leave the bible for the people wey Sabi am.

We are always more than ready to change our views in accordance to God's HOLY BOOK.

MaxInDHouse:
He is relying on the deception of apostates who will never tell him anything good about JWs when he thought we are FAITHFULLY OBEDIENT to the Governing Body perhaps because we feel they're perfect or infallible i told him we already know they're capable of making mistakes instead of his friend to quote where the Governing Body said they're prone to errors he kept quiet about that watching him arguing blindly until i proved to him that th one and only servant of God that's infallible is Jesus Christ!

He's just like them. He has nothing to say but fruitless arguements.

tctrills:
You are in an organization that any or all it's teaches could be wrong by tomorrow. You have an organization that could tweak and change their truth at any moment.
It seems you are one of the most dishonest organizations I have met and trust me, I have met a few hundreds of organizations.

Say that to the understanding of the Bible that's always updated due to the imperfection of God's servants.
This can never change in the teachings of God's word.

God created the earth for mankind to live forever on it {Genesis 1:26-28} it's sin that brought death to mankind {Genesis 2:17} and He is working towards bringing obedient mankind to perfection so we can continue living forever on a renovated earth as he purposed from the start! Psalms 37:9-11, 29; Proverbs 2:20-22; Isaiah 65:21-23; Matthew 5:5} and whatever our God purposed can never become impossible for him to do {Isaiah 55:10-11} that's what it means to one know our God.

As for how He's going to achieve this and when it will happen we will continue to go for updates as Jesus himself doesn't even know when it will happen! Matthew 24:36

So from your own thread it's evident that you don't know the Bible God at all as you can't even speak boldly about what he like or detest like our father Abraham did! Genesis 18:25

cornelboy:
He's just like them. He has nothing to say but fruitless arguements.

From what i have gathered so far about him he is doubting God's word but ashamed to come out openly because i have dealt with him several times showing him that only JWs have the accurate updated understanding of God's word.
Check his other threads to see how indecisive he is about God's word!

MaxInDHouse:
Say that to the understanding of the Bible that's always updated due to the imperfection of God's servants.
This can never change in the teachings of God's word.

God created the earth for mankind to live forever on it {Genesis 1:26-28} it's sin that brought death to mankind {Genesis 2:17} and He is working towards bringing obedient mankind to perfection so we can continue living forever on a renovated earth as he purposed from the start! Psalms 37:9-11, 29; Proverbs 2:20-22; Isaiah 65:21-23; Matthew 5:5} and whatever our God purposed can never become impossible for him to do {Isaiah 55:10-11} that's what it means to one know our God.

As for how He's going to achieve this and when it will happen we will continue to go for updates as Jesus himself doesn't even know when it will happen! Matthew 24:36

So from your own thread it's evident that you don't know the Bible God at all as you can't even speak boldly about what he like or detest like our father Abraham did! Genesis 18:25

The bible does not update. It's a complete collection of books.
I can't remember a time when they needed to make a correction or update to any book in the bible.
Please which year was the bible last updated?

MaxInDHouse:
From what i have gathered so far about him he is doubting God's word but ashamed to come out openly because i have dealt with him several times showing him that only JWs have the accurate updated understanding of God's word.
Check his other threads to see how indecisive he is about God's word!

You have a religion that is inconsistent and filled with mistakes and you are here beating your chest. Continue to embarrass yourself.

cornelboy:
He's just like them. He has nothing to say but fruitless arguements.

Actually the argument was very interesting.
I was arguing with an organization that is made of confused and inconsistent people and beliefs but honestly I enjoyed it

cornelboy:
He's just like them. He has nothing to say but fruitless arguements.

https://www.nairaland.com/6828643/bible-wrong
he's doubting God's word!
https://www.nairaland.com/6849153/how-many-fathers-heaven
how many fathers will believers have in heaven!
https://www.nairaland.com/6875643/which-churches-today-following-jesus
this shows he's not worshiping with any group of people at all just like his apostate friends.
https://www.nairaland.com/6941774/why-dont-people-die-churches
he feels God's Holy Spirit should continue killing people like in the first century.
https://www.nairaland.com/6961839/conceived-jesus-christ-father-holy
he is questioning the paternity of God's Son
https://www.nairaland.com/7081153/what-function-holy-ghost
he doesn't know the function of God's Holy Spirit and not ready to learn.
https://www.nairaland.com/7093441/did-jesus-die-those-lived
he is confused whether Christ's death will pay for ancient servants of God.
https://www.nairaland.com/7087883/adam-not-cause-mankinds-problems
outrightly criticizing the Bible at Romans 5:12
https://www.nairaland.com/7060243/which-best-church-join-want
This shows he's materialistic so any religion that will make him rich flies.
https://www.nairaland.com/7179228/world-coming-end-it-getting
He's criticizing God's word that the world is coming to an end.
https://www.nairaland.com/7232550/god-sabbath-it-jesus-christ
He is criticizing God's word as Jesus claims to be the Lord of the Sabbath.
https://www.nairaland.com/7453647/these-last-days
He is doubting God's word regarding the signs of the last days.
https://www.nairaland.com/7515028/those-never-heard-jesus-what
He doesn't know the purpose of those who never heard about Jesus.
https://www.nairaland.com/7505086/jesus-christ-does-not-ability
He is doubting Jesus who is the perfect image of God.
https://www.nairaland.com/7568735/signs-end-not-yet-hand
Doubting God's word about the end time.
https://www.nairaland.com/7565975/what-origin-man
Doubting God's word regarding the origin of man
https://www.nairaland.com/6970625/does-bible-endorse-human-sacrifice
He is against Jesus being the sacrificial lamb that takes away sin.


Politics is his major concern so as long as God is not interested in politics he's doubting God's ability in all regard!

tctrills:
The bible does not update. It's a complete collection of books.
I can't remember a time when they needed to make a correction or update to any book in the bible.
Please which year was the bible last updated?

You're just eager to argue you're not composed!

I said:
"man's understanding of God's word (Bible) must be updated"

Now calm down to read the above and pay attention to the highlighted in blue!

tctrills:
You have a religion that is inconsistent and filled with mistakes and you are here beating your chest. Continue to embarrass yourself.

Mistakes in the understanding of God's word that's been the experience of God's people from inception or the ones only modern day worshipers of God are making?

Please come again!

MaxInDHouse:
Mistakes in the understanding of God's word that's been the experience of God's people from inception or the ones only modern day worshipers of God are making?

Please come again!

Human beings make mistakes but give me just one instant where a man of God taught a false doctrine to the people of God.
There is not even one instance of this in the entire scripture

achorladey:
Liar and manipulator wants to start another lie on God head that he wasted their time wandering for 40 years



The repercussion of the above is below....


God has reason for everything not to have a religious organization called Jehovah’s organization to teach people falsehood and update falsehood


Cc: Emusan, Oteneaaron Courz

His GOD are the Guardians Of Doctrine in the USA.

An omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent GOD, who is the infinite mind behind the entire cosmos, CANNOT be in support of such a religious organization filled with LIARS, HYPOCRITES and CHILD SEXUAL ABUSERS.

MaxInDHouse:
You're just eager to argue you're not composed!

I said:
"man's understanding of God's word (Bible) must be updated"

Now calm down to read the above and pay attention to the highlighted in blue!

Oga, that's not an excuse to teach a false doctrine.
Let me give you an example.
You asked me if the robber was born again. Instead of me to teach a false doctrine, I told you that I don't know.
Definitely, one day my knowledge would be updated and I would get to know but it would be wrong to give a false answer or a wrong definition. It is dishonest.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost
This is what happens when you depend on the wisdom of man to create a religion.

tctrills:
Human beings make mistakes but give me just one instant where a man of God taught a false doctrine to the people of God.
There is not even one instance of this in the entire scripture

John the baptist was the greatest of all ancient servants of God before Christ Jesus. Matthew 11:11-12

What he believe is that the Christ will start operating as King after his anointing just like other ancient Israelite Kings.
So when Jesus didn't do that John questioned Jesus' authenticity if the Jews should be expecting someone else! Matthew 11:2-3

That is exactly what he taught his own disciples because he can't believe one thing and teach another so when the UPDATE on that understanding came the Christians helped one of John's disciples (Apollos) with the LATEST UPDATE in the understanding of God's word! Act 18:24-26

Ask another question!

oteneaaron:
His GOD are the Guardians Of Doctrine in the USA. An omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent GOD, who is the infinite mind behind the entire cosmos, CANNOT be in support of such a religious organization filled with LIARS, HYPOCRITES and CHILD SEXUAL ABUSERS.

Your own case is really really complicated as you don't even believe the Bible at all!

MaxInDHouse:
John the baptist was the greatest of all ancient servants of God before Christ Jesus. Matthew 11:11-12

What he believe is that the Christ will start operating as King after his anointing just like other ancient Israelite Kings.
So when Jesus didn't do that John questioned Jesus' authenticity if the Jews should be expecting someone else! Matthew 11:2-3

That is exactly what he taught his own disciples because he can't believe one thing and teach another so when the UPDATE on that understanding came the Christians helped one of John's disciples (Apollos) with the LATEST UPDATE in the understanding of God's word! Act 18:24-26

Ask another question!

John the Baptist never taught that Christ would start operating as King. He never taught one falsehoods.
Please mention the verse where John taught the nonsense you just stated.
No true man of God goes about teaching what God has not inspired him to teach.

I have told you times without number that as long as a doctrine is ACHIEVING WHAT GOD PURPOSED it is not false.
UPDATES doesn't mean something is false it only shows that mankind is imperfect so we can't get perfect understanding of God's word at a go.

tctrills:
Oga, that's not an excuse to teach a false doctrine.
Let me give you an example.
You asked me if the robber was born again. Instead of me to teach a false doctrine, I told you that I don't know.
Definitely, one day my knowledge would be updated and I would get to know but it would be wrong to give a false answer or a wrong definition. It is dishonest.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost
This is what happens when you depend on the wisdom of man to create a religion.

tctrills:
John the Baptist never taught that Christ would start operating as King. He never taught one falsehoods.
Please mention the verse where John taught the nonsense you just stated.
No true man of God goes about teaching what God has not inspired him to teach.

So tell me what John meant when he sent his disciples to ask Jesus:

“Are you the Coming One, or are we to expect a different one?” Matthew 11:3

All the Jews from the time of Jacob (Israel) has the same believe that the Christ will start ruling as king whenever he comes so you can't argue this it's clear to any reasonable reader you don't even need to study it because it's as simple as ABC!

MaxInDHouse:
So tell me what John meant when he sent his disciples to ask Jesus:

“Are you the Coming One, or are we to expect a different one?” Matthew 11:3

All the Jews from the time of Jacob (Israel) has the same believe that the Christ will start ruling as king whenever he comes so you can't argue this it's clear to any reasonable reader you don't even need to study it because it's as simple as ABC!

Like I said, he never taught a falsehoods about Jesus.
Asking a question is different from teaching false doctrine.
You ask a question when you don't know instead of teaching the wrong things.
That's what John did and that's what the followers of Jesus Christ do.
They do not operate on guesswork or make up their own definitions.