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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 2:45am On Mar 22 |
HellVictorinho6: How do you know? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 2:46am On Mar 22 |
HellVictorinho6: The reality you think you are experiencing |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 3:13am On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: Dumdum I didn't call you religious. Also dumdum Decartes was not a solipsist. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 3:14am On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: They is you. BTW if I took the time I am sure I can find several examples of religious people on NL casting aspersions on reality just to avoid uncomfortable facts. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 5:26am On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist:My being sure is not a concern of actual reality provided it actually happened. An example is the certain fact that the sun rose yesterday and will rise tomorrow even one die before dawn and can never know. PoliteActivist:No, I do not agree that all that exists are thoughts. And I'm not currently interested in discussing the nature of thoughts with you because you don't seem to be aware that the thoughts you may be thinking can only exist because you exist to think them, and that is likely because you don't know you are thinking your own thoughts. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 5:29am On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: Did you notice how many questions I asked you and that you ignored? That's what a person who has no regard for the existence of others do. They rudely ignore others' existence. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 5:58am On Mar 22 |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 11:10am On Mar 22 |
budaatum: I was just in a rush. I'd go see what the questions are and answer them |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 11:20am On Mar 22 |
budaatum: Why do you keep intentionally omitting the word SURE? SURE!!!!!! I refer you to LAST THURSDAYISM again (below). EVERYTHING can be made to appear to be there or appear to have happened when it never did, except the thoughts themselves. Who is thinking when a possessed person is thinking. Who is thinking when people who died and came back said they were thinking while dead. Bottom line: WE ARE NOT SURE THE NATURE OF THOUGHTS!!
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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 11:36am On Mar 22 |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 11:38am On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: The nature is you refusing to send murny |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 12:23pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: Speak for yourself please. You are not sure of the nature of your thoughts, or even if you exist to think thoughts, it seems. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 2:31pm On Mar 22 |
budaatum: As I've told you, it is very likely things are as we experience them. For us too have a conversation I have to assume certainty that you exist - ignoring the small possibility that you exist only in my head! Just as Einstein believed everything is predetermined but had to pretend it is not in other to functsociety society. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 2:40pm On Mar 22 |
LordReed: See Last Thursdayism above. EVERYTHING can be faked except the thoughts themselves |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 2:45pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: So, you assume certainty that I might exist, but you doubt that you yourself exist, or that you might only exist in your head that might not exist? I wonder if it's predetermined that you will tie yourself in knots. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 2:46pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: What you mean is you can easily be deceived! |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 2:52pm On Mar 22 |
LordReed: How can a religious person believe that our senses were based on lies - that they were intentionally created to deceive us?? Answer that |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 2:55pm On Mar 22 |
budaatum: of course I assume even more certainty that I exist because there are CERTAINLY thoughts and I assume I'm the one thinking them - in reality I don't know where they come from |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:01pm On Mar 22 |
budaatum: Our senses are that way - they can totally fool us |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:12pm On Mar 22 |
LordReed: See the circled below. Yet another QED As for Descartes, he started out by doubting EVERYTHING he could possibly doubt (what do you call that?), and realized one thing he couldn't doubt was that he was thinking. He also convinced himself that God exists (see below)
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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 3:37pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: Your senses can totally fool you, you mean, while many are smart enough to question what they perceive with their senses so as not to so easily be fooled. It's like you trying to fool yourself here that you don't exist because you are not sure that you exist, while we are smart enough to know that an entity exists that registered on this site and calls itself PoliteActivist and has been posting in this thread. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 3:40pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: Wrong! He did not seem to have doubted that an "I" existed that thought, and literally put his cart before his horse.
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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 3:50pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: Dumdum people like you is a different class from religious people. Still Descartes WAS NOT A SOLIPSIST. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 3:56pm On Mar 22 |
budaatum: I'm really surprised you can't grasp this simple concept: something needn't actually happen for you to perceive it happened! In The Matrix thoughts were fed to a person hooked to a machine and he was living a full life - but in reality he was hooked to a machine, non of it was actually happening |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 4:01pm On Mar 22 |
LordReed: You don't know the meaning of solipsist. It does not mean what you think it does. Look it up |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 4:49pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: It's you who doesn't know what it means. While you look it up also look up hard solipsism. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 4:52pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: Again if you want to believe live in a lalaland that's your prerogative, I am not interested. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 4:53pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist: Why would ask me? Ask the religious person who does that. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 6:32pm On Mar 22 |
PoliteActivist:I think it is English that is your problem. If one claims to be perceiving something that is not actually happening, would you not say that person is stupid and tripping and maybe high on bad weed or just plain lying? if I perceive, as in register with my own senses something actually happening, then something must actually be happening for me to perceive it. For example, if I perceive, as in register with my senses, a boxing match where an ant is beating Anthony Joshua, then that ant must actually be beating Anthony Joshua for me to be perceiving it. Now, that doesn't mean that anything you claim you perceive actually happened, because you have admitted that you don't know how to use your senses and you just might be lying or tripping, while I don't create imaginary crap in my own head and claim I perceived it when I couldn't possibly have perceived it. PoliteActivist:Some people watch Tom and Jerry and claim rats talk too, but Tom and Jerry and Matrix is not actual reality the last time I checked. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:30pm On Mar 22 |
LordReed: See below. QED once again. This is becoming too easy
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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:33pm On Mar 22 |
LordReed: Just admit you have no way of knowing what is truly there. That's all |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:37pm On Mar 22 |
budaatum: Wow! This is becoming rather childish. You are the only adult I know who doesn't know your senses can EASILY deceive you. What do you think make magic tricks possible??
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