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Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 11:17pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
italo: Those who died in christ are all asleep and presently not living, until the second coming, they're technically dead because sleep is a cousin to death. Not my opinion, check the scriptures, not a hidden fact. Once more, only the living can intercede for the living, Jesus is the only one capable of interceding for now because he represents the ONE AND ONLY HIGH PRIEST for the true believers. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by farano(f): 11:30pm On Jul 24, 2013 |
jusRadical: If the pope and the priests forgive sins according to roman catholics, WHAT THEN IS THE ROLE OF CHRIST JESUS IN salvation?If peter & other disciples of Jesus Christ forgive sin, what then is d role of Jesus Christ in salvation? U see ur life? Catholic is demonic but u follow their ways! Catholics fix date 4 church celebrations such as EASTER! |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by Theblessed(f): 12:07am On Jul 25, 2013 |
drnoel: [size=16pt]You see, this is why many of you would end up in hell with satan and his demons if you don't watch it! Because, you believe so strongly on the doctrine of yous Church, if it's values and practices are against the 'Word of God/Scriptures in the Bible', you continue to support it and it's practices Too bad for you... [/size] |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by Theblessed(f): 12:23am On Jul 25, 2013 |
lacum: [size=16pt]Hehehe!! Let me inform you once more - you see, it is you who do not understand the doctrine of Jesus Christ, ok! I am telling you now, 'Thou shall not confess to man - because he is mortal a sinner', gorit? Rather confess privately or openly, quietly or vocally in spirit any where you like to your God, to Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour, and stop blindly following Church doctrines that would take you to hell, as there won't be any Churches/Ministries in HEAVEN - but, only ONE FAMILY OF GOD with hosts of Angels plus us who believe and followed God's Principles, OK...! There won't be Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian, Apostolic, Evangelical or any such congregation in Heaven, get it in order to save your soul and stop arguing, ok![/size] |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by Dnaz(m): 6:44am On Jul 25, 2013 |
Theblessed: sorry 4 u Catholic till death |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by drnoel: 6:53am On Jul 25, 2013 |
lacum: but why are human beings like this? pls nairalanders, d headline is misleading. this must have been written by a non catholic to discrdit d church. indulgence does not mean forgiveness of sin but d forgivenes of d punishment due to sin. confession cannot be done online and will never be. pls read d article carefully and u will notice where it was said dat people will receive a plenary indulgence only when they follow d peogramme prayerfully and must have confessed their since to a priest. tksDon't worry urself, let them throw their insults. This is not the first time the church has been in the lime light and it won't be the last. As long as what they say doesn't shake ur faith. U see, they all want and admire the catholic church, this is just their weird way of saying it. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 8:25am On Jul 25, 2013 |
honeric01: So were Moses and Elijah living or dead...at the transfiguration? |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 8:29am On Jul 25, 2013 |
drnoel: 21 likes |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 9:22am On Jul 25, 2013 |
italo: Oh, you mean moses and Elijah are living? I can only speak of Elijah which never died but was taken up, as for Moses, i've got no clue why he showed up but he died at his time. I have no clue how God's going to judge those who died in the time of law, but biblically, those who died in the era of grace are asleep and to be awoken at the second coming. Not my word. "for its appointed unto man to die once, after that judgement'. BTW, none of these two were on earth during christ's ministry, and Jesus's physical apperance on earth was for a purpose, to give us direct access to God without the need for earthly\mortal mediator/s. Jesus remains the only High priest to every true christian and no one else. Only 2 people can forgive sins 1: God 2: The person you sinned against. For the last time, refer to the lord's prayer. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by Geolalisa(f): 9:39am On Jul 25, 2013 |
Catholic for life!!!! Quit the criticism and hating please. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 10:29am On Jul 25, 2013 |
honeric01: If you are saying Elijah and Moses were dead at the transfiguration, it means dead men can talk to Jesus. If you say they were living, it means righteous men who have left this earth are living...and can talk to Jesus. Either way, you argument is screwed. honeric01: Let us assume that your years of Bible study have never included John 20:23: "If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 11:14am On Jul 25, 2013 |
italo: Unbelivers see ghost of their dead unbeliver brethern, so? Yes, what i quoted is in context of john 20, s but for the christians (true), if we're to forgive sins, its because we represent christ on earth, hence 1pet 2;9. Every true christian is christ on earth, so confessing to one another's a collective christian obligation and was not a specific duty of one person as the catholics practise. Summary: God's the one who forgives finally, Jesus is our link to the forgiver and he's giving us the proxy to forgive others. So whicheverway you look @ it, it still means 'one to another' and not to a 'specified person'. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 12:04pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
honeric01: Oh! So you are saying it wasnt Elijah and Moses Jesus was talking to, it was their ghosts? *just because you want to deny that they were either living or dead, which rubbishes your argument* honeric01: See how you are gradually shifting the goal post. First you said "only God and the offended can forgive sins." Now you are saying "every Christian can forgive sins." Which one should we take? Sort yourself out before you attack Catholic doctrine. You dont even know what you believe. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by maskid(m): 12:19pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
drnoel: drnoel: drnoel: CONTEXT U MEAN?? |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by Smooth51(m): 1:26pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
Neva believe everything as it is written down on the internet....things my be twisted purposefully..e.g www.nairaland.com/1371186/ibadan-strange-fish-baby-octopus The main idea of the above story ws nt gotten bt ws released carelessly on net..hence causing panick. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 1:39pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
italo: Oh, to you, they appeared to Jesus in flesh or what are you saying? No, i didn't shift the goal post, only answering your comments accordingly. Check my previous comments on this matter. According to the Lord's prayers, we can forgive those who sin against us just as God does for us. Refer to my first comment to get my drift. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by lacum: 2:21pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
italo:dont mind honoeico1 he didnt read d story of d rich man and lazarus. after d rich man died he went straight to hell and lazarus to d bosom of abraham jesus did not say dat they waited till d end of d world for d final judgement |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by lacum: 2:36pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
honeric01:so jesus is now practicing necromancy? honerico1, honerico1,honerico1 how many times did i call u? as long as u beging to digress from d xtian truth brouht to u by d catholic church, u will continue to say things dat are against d xtian faith. lastly, does d church not have d right to regulate d abuse of confessing to one anoda? |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 3:18pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
lacum: Your point is? |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 11:01pm On Jul 25, 2013 |
honeric01: Matt 17:3: Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Why do you want to force it to say "Moses' and Elijah's ghosts?" honeric01: Okay, let me do your wish and check previous posts. honeric01: honeric01: Mr Honeric, what do you actually believe? That only God and the offended can forgive sins, or that every Christian can forgive sins, whether they are the offended or not? |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 4:48am On Jul 26, 2013 |
italo: 'They appeared', what does that indicate? Using your words, if the pope can forgive sins according to u, then all true christians can accordingly. My stand is my first post on this thread, plus what you handpicked. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 4:49am On Jul 26, 2013 |
italo: honeric01: |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 7:09am On Jul 26, 2013 |
@ Honeric, Okay, so you are saying only God and the offended can forgive sins. Let us look again at John 20:23. It says: "If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." You are telling me that that passage is referring to people who are offended. But does the offended have power to retains people's sins? E.g If I steal your money, and ask you for forgiveness and you refuse, then nothing can save me according to your interpretation of John 20:23? If I cut off your hand and you forgive me with or without my asking, I am cleared of that sin? |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 7:13am On Jul 26, 2013 |
honeric01: It said "Moses and Elijah appeared." That indicates that Moses and Elijah appeared. Not their ghosts, as you are so desperate to force the verse to say. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 7:38am On Jul 26, 2013 |
italo: You still can't fanthom what 'appeared' mean? It was a vision oga, they didn't walk up to him o. Pls go and read the full passage again. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 7:41am On Jul 26, 2013 |
italo: @ Honeric, Yes, if i refuse to forgive you, your sin's retained. That's why Jesus said if you've offended anyone, you must seek for his or her forgiveness before your offerings can be accepted by God. He also said before your own sins can be forgiven, you must also forgive others who sinned against you. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 10:01am On Jul 26, 2013 |
honeric01: This is amazing! Am I reading the bold right, or has some lunatic hacked into your nairaland account? In order words, I can decide whether my offenders will go to heaven or hell, by choosing to forgive or retain their sin(s) against me? 1 Like |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 10:07am On Jul 26, 2013 |
honeric01: So Jesus was not actually talking with them...he only had "a vision?" Is this what St. Matthew wrote? |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 10:21am On Jul 26, 2013 |
italo: Don't get it twisted, i'm talking about sin we commit against eachother, not forgiving me won't stop me from making heaven. Its intertwined, to be forgiven by God, you're to forgive others who err against you. Comprehend? |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 10:23am On Jul 26, 2013 |
italo: LOL, don't people interact in a vision? John in revelation is a tip.. |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by honeric01(m): 10:31am On Jul 26, 2013 |
“ "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." (Matthew 17:1–9, KJV) |
Re: Pope Francis To Forgive Twitter Followers' Sins Online by italo: 11:16am On Jul 26, 2013 |
There you go flip-flopping again. honeric01: honeric01: Are you then saying that someone whose sins are retained will go to heaven? Before you answer hastily, pause and reflect on this verse. Matt 18:18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. |
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