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Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:28pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Imagine a painting without a painter Imagine intelligence emanating from non-intelligence Like expecting a 6month old to ride a car |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:28pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Imagine a painting without a painter Imagine intelligence emanating from non-intelligence Like expecting a 6month hold to ride a car |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:31pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:and how do you know matter is unintelligent? the universe is not as unintelligent as you claim. it operates under laws that guide it. and with these laws, it produces the fascinating things we see today. stars exist because of gravity and electromagnetic forces. they may seem like some being made them, but . . . not really. besides, what you think is fascinating . . . really might not be. your senses evolved to see them as such. |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Jeromejnr(m): 6:31pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy: Am I infact persecuting you? The same way you could prove the speed of light both using mathematics and Physical methods is the same way you could prove from the various complex designs in the universe that there had to be a designer behind it. There are complex codes programmed in genes. If i showed you a computer program today and say all that coding came by chance how would you react? |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:33pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy:Who or what is the cause of those laws? Its a simple fact that for every effect there exists a cause |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:34pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Kreysik: |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Jeromejnr(m): 6:35pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy: I love that. It's the kind of scenario I gave Johny. How do we know what we consider imperfection is actually not perfect in the "mind" of the universe. But then, we would be going into the concept of "self awareness" "choice" "will" "grief" "love" "sorrow" e.t.c. How intelligent is the universe in bringing about such concepts? |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:36pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Kreysik:for every effect, there exists a cause. what if the laws are the cause? not the effect? |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:39pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy:Likewise..what if God was d cause and not the effect...dats what is referred to as d prime mover Mind you:there cannot exist a LAW so to speak without a LAW maker |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:42pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:yes! you're right! that code came by chance! with trial and error, serendipity, discoveries . . . all those things contributed to the code you showed me. you see, the only reason why that code exists is because people have been experimenting with OTHER codes. getting better and better with them. so that code could be produced. so there is that. here is another mind blowing fact. if i take the twenty six letters of the alphabet, plus several other characters, by combining it randomly, i will eventually arrive at that code. simple probability. |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:43pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Kreysik:yeah right. nice try. i can prove the laws exist, but you cannot prove that God exists. so . . . get over it. |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:45pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy:Can you proof d God doesn't exist pls? |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:49pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:what do you think intelligence is, really? intelligence is not needed to do most things. most of the best discoveries and ideas didn't require intelligence at all. they came by chance. a sky scraper will eventually appear, given enough time. whether intelligent design is available or not. do you know it rains glass on planet HD 189733b? did that have to be designed as well? |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by dalaman: 6:49pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: You don't know, you believe. You don't know what created the universe and when you only believe some God idea some men created did it. You don't know if many entities created the universe, you just believe that a single entity did because you have been indoctrinated with that idea. Millions of Hindus, Muslims, Taoist etc have also experienced miracles and witnessed the presence of their various Gods, it means nothing, religious experience has been shown to be the product of the brain. Have you shown me He does not exist ? No I said I don't believe, so show me that he exist. A God that exist will not need you to show me that he exist, he will also not need me to show you that he doesn't exist. Any God that exist will be self evident. Your God exist but in your imaginations and that of those that subscribe to that idea. Have you proven that life came from the non - living ? No Life coming from living or non living things has nothing to do with the existence of a God. God should have clear evidence for his existence. Why should the existence of other things be used as evidence for the existence of God? Have you ever asked your self that question? Why is God the only thing which we use the existence of other things to point out as his existence? Have you explained the disparity between the nature of the elements of life ? No You are just using God as your position for "I do not know". If God exist then point to it as an independent entity. What we see around is evidence for the environment and not evidence for God. Does your God exist? If e does show it already. Yes God exits , you can wait for Science to explain what happened billions of years ago . As far as no human being at this present time witnessed the beginning , you'll only see theories and more theories , assumptions and more assumptions till you die . Until Christ comes , trust me this will continue . God exist as a dead Jewish man that died over 200 years ago that will come again? This has nothing to do with reality but just a statement of belief. There is a great difference btw belief and reality. You believe in the story told about some dead Jewish man who lived 200 years ago coming from the clouds but you still confidently regurgitate it as if it has anything to do with reality. 1 Like |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:52pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Kreysik:i'm not the one claiming he does. it is you that thinks he exists. so it is you that is supposed to prove to me whether he exists or not. what you're doing is akin to me saying Taylor swift is right beside me now, and then asking you to prove that she is not beside me. can you do that? |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 6:57pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy:Hey bro! U also claimed HE doesn't exist so I'm also putting it to u to proof his non existence...dat you can't proof sometins existence doesn't mean it exists not what makes it non existence is ur ability to proof dat it does not exist |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Richirich713: 6:57pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Kreysik: My pick is to go with the historical fact of his crucifixion. |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:02pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
dalaman: Mr. man its me - if I say I know He created the world , you have no right whatsoever to impose your own misconceptions on me . I know , I dont believe
God does not exist in your imaginations and that of those that subscribe to that idea
Its either A or B - its either life had a creator or it had none - it came from the non-living . Stop the obnoxious display of inanity You are just using God as your position for "I do not know". If God exist then point to it as an independent entity. What we see around is evidence for the environment and not evidence for God. Does your God exist? If e does show it already. Like I said before , you dont explain what I know to me . I know , if you feel its a belief then its your business . I am not jumping into your wagon of ignorance God exist as a dead Jewish man that died over 200 years ago that will come again? This has nothing to do with reality but just a statement of belief. There is a great difference btw belief and reality. You believe in the story told about some dead Jewish man who lived 200 years ago coming from the clouds but you still confidently regurgitate it as if it has anything to do with reality. Coming from the clouds ? Does He stay there . You are filled with so much misconceptions and ignorance of biblical events/views etc . You were obviously muslim before please find muslims and argue with them |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 7:03pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Kreysik:God doesn't exist because i have no proof of him, and neither do you. isn't that enough? i should not even be answering your question at all. because YOU, are the one who is trying to convince me that God exist. YOU, should provide proof. in fact it isn't really you sef. GOD, is the one trying to convince humanity that he exists. HE, should provide the proof. since he has not done that, #atheistforlife. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by hahn(m): 7:06pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
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Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by hahn(m): 7:11pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: According to the article, the accounts of authors are still under discussion. Even the article asserts that they might be false. So, back to your story. And I asked first 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:11pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Atheist : The universe/living things indeed look designed Me : So why do you say God , the designer, does not exist Atheist : Because we can't explain His existence , so He does not exist Me : 1 Like |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by dalaman: 7:11pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: It's written in the bible. "AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory" Mark 13: 25-26 |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 7:16pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy:Having no proof of something shouldn't be a resort for disbelieving in its existence and doesn't make you an athiest it only makes you an ignotist Just like dere exist mysteries within the human dat even science has not discovered and has no proof of.yet deh have no ryt what-so-ever to abscond and neglect it and say deh dnt believe such mysteries exists rather they say "WE DNT KNW" and we gon make more findings |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:19pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy: You are not making any sense . 1 Like |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 7:22pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Kreysik:oh yes it is. dude, we're talking about GOD. here. do you know the gravity of that? he created the entire uinverse!(supposedly.) he is supposedly omniscient and omnipotent. we shouldn't even be having this discussion if he was actually real. |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Nobody: 7:26pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:riigght . . . as if you are making anything at all. google library of babel. it contains a software that combines the 26 letters and comma and period together randomly forever. if you don't find your name, your father's name, and your date of birth and death, call me a bastard. |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Richirich713: 7:30pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
hahn: 1st - the NT is a historical document on jesus 2nd- Titus Flavius Josephus mentions jesus,james and John the Baptist in his Antiquities of the Jews. 3rd- Tacitus mentions the death of Christ under Pontius Pilate in Annals 15.44 4th- the "letter of Mara Bar-Serapion" asks of Jesus’ crucifixion , "What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise King?" 5th- Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus wrote: a wise man who was called Jesus......Pilate condemned him to be condemned and to die. 6th- Tacitus also says that the disciples of Jesus "reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive." 7th- Josephus (c. 37-100 AD) the Jewish historian wrote: "Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him [Jesus] to the cross. 8th- Roman author Phlegon wrote: "Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails." 9th- even the Talmud does not deny the death of Jesus on the eve of Passover they hanged Yeshu (of Nazareth)"... (Sanhedrin 43a, "Eve of Passover) 10th- Pliny the Younger mentioned Christ,..." They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god".... Then we still have links to Jesus thru his disciples. 2 Likes |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:38pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
dalaman: dalaman: "in" and "from" are two different prepositions . Actually there are really deep theological depictions of that clause - coming in the clouds - but it would be a complete waste of time sharing it with you . 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 : For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. This a perfect example of the metaphorical narration of Christ's second coming . What's the nature of His coming ? Anyways on the day it happens , we will all see if it was figurative or not . |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Jeromejnr(m): 7:40pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
hahn: Might be= Possible Hahn= He didn't exist. So how did you come to your conclusion? |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:43pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy: Lolzz calm down kiddie ... Like you said : Its a software and it runs under series of commands - programming - meaning its algorithmic . Sounds like a design(SOFTWARE) to me . |
Re: The True Definition Of Athiesm by Jeromejnr(m): 7:45pm On Oct 16, 2015 |
Teempakguy: Google the meaning of algorithm. |
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