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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 3:28pm On Aug 23, 2018 |
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 6:28pm On Aug 23, 2018 |
0balufonlll:Open your eyes very well bro from deceptive knowledge being taught to you that is already archaic in the modern world Who told you Iam inventive?Lmao! You see ,every time, you people always run away from the germane issue because the Yoruba history is bigger than you all.... .So, deal with it . Using, The ‘do' sound is because it is applicable to the most words I use to differentiate it from others. Instead of condemning, appreciate it because so many word are formed with the same letters but differs when pronounced in its accents,which is the reason you see them accented . Beside, you have never done anything close to accenting Yoruba words for non Yoruba to understand what you have sent online. Like I had mentioned earlier, Yoruba history is bigger than you and Samuel Johnson's account was the basis for deeper research from the indigenous angle. As usual, you have defined someone you have never met before from your perspective ,the same as others like you did and do to shield themselves. Lord have mercy oooo! What is all this about someone's biography if he was this or that? Oh k oo Oga linguist or ethnologist,I hear you. But mind you, there is noone alive or dead that can categorically claimed the exact spot where Yoruba came from through human fossil record, because science has record of all these. So keep your opinion to yourself if you don't have scholarly researched works or books to defend your case,then your view is null and void. Lastly, NL is a place where information is a piece meal bro even if I share my vast research on it . Funny enough I am in a sizeable Yoruba groups with impeccable characters. Cheers 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 7:02pm On Aug 23, 2018 |
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 11:33pm On Aug 23, 2018 |
Olu317: I guess I'm out of this world then I hope you know nairaland doesn't pay you for posting? So this is hustle miss road If selling books wasn't successful how is posting on nairaland better? But what's my business, it's your hustle But nairaland audience will still ask for evidence Banji Akintoye is one who has stated a Yoruba culture is local west African one. But that's not the point, because stating and claims aren't good enough, evidence is the real deal and there is enough of it. historians do not have the material that goes that far back in time but linguists do, in that regard take this up with linguists of all universities of the world who categorize Yoruba, Edo and Igbo as members of a close common language family
You are loud on Hebrew origin, if you also propagate mixing from many different cultures then you just made your work more difficult because you will need to prove all of them Claims are not evidence mr. Man. Show us the findings once and for all Like I have shown anybody can claim Yoruba came from anywhere. I can list 5 words in any language that are similar to 5 words in Yoruba and boom! Yoruba descended from them There is nothing special in finding a few words that are written similarly or sound similar. What about the etymology? And how much of such word similarity exist? You ignore the fact that the Hebrews have good record of their history and never is it recorded that a group migrated into west Africa. You forget that Hebrew language itself is not just a collection of words, there is Grammer, verbal conjugation, gender of words, sentence structure, plural Forms etc All which have no correlation with Yoruba language Even the similar words pattern you stick to is flawed because you would need more than just a few words, at least 20% of the entire lexicon of both languages this man is a clown Who does not know the Japanese are Asians? Is that suppose to make you look smart? You wish I know Japanese are Asians? Lmao My point for bringing up the Japanese is to show you how stupid it is to claim Hebrew origin as anybody can claim foreign origin using just few similar words English - Yoruba Wore - Wo Iron - Irin Concern/connect - Kan For - fun Our - awa Inner - Inu In - ninu Mizu (Japanese for water) has nothing to do with Mahyeem(Hebrew for water) The part I put in bold is just off, makes no sense I can't believe you are trying to claim Japanese are Hebrew because I posted som Japanese words similar to Yoruba Are the Anglo-Saxon and Normans Hebrews too?
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:53am On Aug 24, 2018 |
Continue ......Being studious is all you need to see through. In as much as you don't have knowledge of these middle east knowledge or Asia History, then I rest my case on you because as I had said earlier, go study to counter me. Ferdinand de Saussure, says,‘the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence (Ferdinand de Saussure (1972) General HISTORY OF Africa).Olodo like you, Kindly engage a linguist to explain to you on how to match two words to see if they are related or not. Honestly, keep trying and you will get there. So with your seriousness ,you didnt know the modern spoken Hebrew you picked up as water developed in phases from the ‘mem' , probably from the word mayim meaning "water." The word MAYIM is the plural form of ‘MAH', . The spoken language in Israel during Jesus Christ time were three languages(Aramaic Roman-Greek) after the extinction of original Hebrew language. . How many times do you even know Israel was occupied by other powerful kingdoms after the fall of ancient Israel? Lord have mercy on this young man and his school of thought .So you didnt know the Hellenistic revolt? , This was what led to the influence of Roman- Greek that became the spoken after the rest of Israel were taken as slaves. I thank God that DNA tests have been done severally on all the human fossil discovered by scientists and the near time of existence has no link to Nigeria either in the past or present day . Go figure this out and learn more about the human species; Homo sapiens, Homo naledi, Homo heidelbergensis,Neanderthals and Denisovans. So you didn't know that English language borrowed many words and anglicised them ? Go learn about the history of the English language and how other languages influenced her's ....Henceforth no time for you because you are a distraction. I have nothing to proof to you but you will keep seeing information on NL to LEARN FROM ME,the reason being that without me opening your mindset to these things, you could hardly know.... As you can see , I am making you to study On a final note,I dont want to engage you on irrelevant issue oooo Oga anymore except you bring something tangible or you reference researchers work. Ordinarily I would have posted the ancient Hebrew lexicon and the developmental phases but I won't because I want you to spend your resource; be it monetary or time on research. C'est fini 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:03am On Aug 24, 2018 |
To the people who aren't knowledgeable beyond the territorial Yoruba enclave in Nigeria, should try to read more on Egyptian Pharaohs or do research on them. Ranging from the period of King Hezekiah of Juda ,when he sent troop to fight on behalf of Egyptians,the era of King Josiah of Judah, who was killed through the injury he sustained via the arrow shot at him in Meggido, The Babylonian conquest of Egypt, Alexander conquest,Roman conquest of Egypt and who the Hykos Pharaohs were. So as to see why there were presence of ancient Egyptian lexicon's presence in Yoruba's.... I had to do this because I don't cherish just opinion from some anti reality set of people that their world is centred in one area that has a dead end but kindly back your fanciful views hinged on researchers work... To the do or die Yorubas on NL,who keep thinking aboriginal status of Yorubas in Nigeria as the oldest. I will always mock your ignorance because , Sorry ,I am here to disappoint you again and again that, Ibos' ( south eastern people)existed in Nigeria,also older and predated Yoruba's.... HOW IS IBOLAND IN EASTERN PART OF NIGERIA OLDER THAN YORUBA'S? One metallurgical complex, dated to 765 BC, iron ore was smelted in furnaces measuring a meter wide. The molten slag was drained through conduits to pits, where it formed blocks weighing up to 43-47 kg. The operating temperatures are estimated to have varied between 1,155 and 1,450 degrees C (Holl, 2009). Some radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009). Yoruba land don't have any artifacts that equal Ibos in archeological radiocarbon test. When you hear the truth,acknowledge it ,then you are set free. Proudly Odua descendant |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 7:50am On Aug 24, 2018 |
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:13am On Aug 24, 2018 |
0balufonlll:Which Pdf ooo oga professor?! Post again and let me see it. Mind you, every researcher must criticise another man's work to achieve his aim.Why are you disappointing me? Oh lord have mercy, the work of Olumide is still being used for reference. I can even post a Phd student that used it in his work on Yorubas in Cuba Read books bro from : Philade Leo, Tariq Sawand,Geofrey Parrinder,Archeologist Omoleya , Dr. Farrow , A.C Burns,Dierk Lange , Sir Harry Johnston acount on west Africa in April 1914 etc Sorry, bro you are the one that need to do more work not me because I am already in the field doing research... And if you so desire to halt it then wait till the right time and make sure you re a linguist .But you will be disappointed Contrary to your opinion, my ancestors won't be disappointed in me because they were the DIVINE KINGS THAT ACKNOWLEDGED ALMIGHTY ELEDUMARE. And knew things people didnt know and knew things that are strange to a lot of people which always gave them an edge. Trust me,my research work is bigger than anyone! Mon frère, bon Journèe, Proudly omo Odua. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 11:53am On Aug 24, 2018 |
Olu317: You have no knowledge. You are a fraud No proper education, no stable job With all this interest in history and anthropology if you had common sense you would have studied that but you didn't now you want to use Yoruba history as your meal ticket Babanla hustle miss road, because no food for you here I've told you, go and challenge historians and linguists in the universities since you know better than them correct and that is exactly what has been done to place Yoruba as a local west African culture oh now you know there is a method in matching two words to see if they are related, now you know that because I posted some English words similar to Yoruba, you should have claimed the English are Hebrews too like you tried to claim Japanese are connected to Hebrew.. Clown In all this, you have failed in your word match up. Just like the other clown who ran away said Hebrew is Iberu in Yoruba just because it sounds alike without recourse for the meaning and etymology of both words Two words sounding alike doesn't mean they are related, sometimes they may refer to roughly the same thing but what about the etymology? So don't talk to me about how to match two words because you fail at that. . why aren't you into the comedy business instead of history and linguistics? History and linguistics are obviously not your thing, you're just forcing yourself and it's not making you any money I say comedy because this is real fun here "Mahyeem" is the proper way to write it but it is basically the same as the simplified "Mayim" The bolded part is a pure lie, first the word "mem" is the Hebrew equivalent of 'M' as in the alphabet M in Latin and other Latin derived scripts So the word "Mahyeem" or Mayim (since you want to simplify it) has was not derived from "mem". Mem is simply what the first letter of the word is called And Mahyeem is not plural Which brings me a good point, How come Hebrew has plural forms but yoruba like other Volta - Niger languages do not? Since you say Yoruba language is derived from Hebrew? The spoken language in Israel during Jesus Christ time were three languages(Aramaic Roman-Greek) after the extinction of original Hebrew language. . How many times do you even know Israel was occupied by other powerful kingdoms after the fall of ancient Israel? Lord have mercy on this young man and his school of thought .So you didnt know the Hellenistic revolt? , This was what led to the influence of Roman- Greek that became the spoken after the rest of Israel were taken as slaves. Irrelevant. You like ranting and going off topic . This is also irrelevant because early hominids were neither Yoruba nor Hebrew These identities started long after humans(Homo sapiens) had established settlements and began to build civilizations. You are just embarrassing yourself and exposing your idiocy because it makes no sense to start talking about Homo Heidelbergensis and Denisovan etc who existed over 200 thousand years ago when we are talking about Hebrews. Hebrews are not the first human civilization and the entire human race doesn't owe Hebrew anything so why try to attach Hebrews to early hominids? Are you mad or something? This hebrew worshiping has gone too far so Hebrew influenced English language to the extent that Iron, wore(past of wear), concern, for, our, inner, and in, all entered the English lexicon? Yet none of these words match Hebrew words of the same meaning OK. Your logic turns the world over
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 11:59am On Aug 24, 2018 |
0balufonlll: I added some more English - Yoruba words above Brother, English is our ancestral language o |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by OlaoChi: 12:06pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
0balufonlll: He read it. I have told him before that nobody takes Olumide Lucas seriously, he still keeps referencing him How does someone who is not involved in Yoruba traditions or egyptology write a book connecting Yoruba traditions to Egyptology |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 1:45pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Olu317: There are things that I want to call your attention to, bro Olu, as it would be useful to you now or later. there are people with the 'Jurasic Park' mentality to Yoruba history. To them, our history must be reconstructed in the same way scientists reconstructed the life of the dinosaurs before their extinction. But the point is, who saw the dinosaur when it was alive? Why do men feel comfortable that that's the way a dinosaur look? Because most have conformed to the 'infallible claims of science'. But, have you ever seen the dinosaur? No, but you believe it exited. Have you ever see leviathan? No, what of dragon? Education is also like religion, it has its dogma, you are meant to believe what you can't see, but the 'educated' person buys it without question once it comes wrapped in science. The conformists establish the idea as the fact of creation. Science has its facts, fictions, myths and theories, some without proofs just yet. But some people's reality revolve around these fiction, myths etc as facts as long as its scientific postulation. Now how developed is archaeology in this country? Some Yoruba folks are waiting for archaeologists to come and tell them about the history of Yoruba. Well, lets wait for the white man inasmuch as we have conformed to their standards. But however long it takes, they will definitely come to us. And when they do, what would they be talking about? fossils. So, lets wait for the fossils that will unlock the Yoruba history to be dug out from the deep. Then the conformists would laugh at last from excitement at final blow on pseudo-history as they call it. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 7:55pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
absoluteSuccess: Wisdom is rarely scarce but to whom is given, they are called divine. I respect you as an Obalufon descendant because you are chosen amongst the godmen. On what you inferred, do I have knowledge on but I chose to expose the educated illiterate who have not done anything but self opinion to justify their cases. A shame on them because all lettered people who stumbled on this,will definitely know who is informing on the the reality and truth via evidence. Whoever quote me amongst them,I'll not reply anymore because they are knowledged people but dehydrated .Seriously, I don't have problem with criticism but do it with radiocarbon evidence, researched refetenced eork or archaeological evidence to disprove me opinion. The well studious hearts aren't too scarce to know while foolish people litters everywhere,which make them fizzle out easily. When I read your statement on your meeting with a senior writer on your post about your book,then I saw the depth and how far you have gone to do the right thing on showcasing the wealth of Yorubas as a great people because publication of book isn't easy as it seems.Good work bro,kudos. Bro,there is something I desire to draw your attention toward, which is on archeological and hieroglyphs finding which isn't anybody's fault but Yorubas because they discouraged the western researchers with their inconsistencies on oral information which made many western historians withdrew their funding. Trust me ,wrong people wrote many things and contradicted themselves. Today, few people thought Olumide Lucas was wrong because of criticism by less than 10s out 100s scholars. Funny enough, he was right about the evidence of ancient Egyptian lexicon present in Yoruba's, which was buttressed by an African writer from francophone nation known as Philade Leo and discovery by ‘ Abarim publication' etc. I had to mention this because of these students who want to learn from me by force and fire Let me share a Roman word that is found in Yoruba land through migration from Egypt. Roman : Sangi Meaning: blood Yoruba: shéjé Meaning: bleeding( blood) Itsekiri-Yoruba : Sangi Meaning: blood Dead heads won't understand because few ones are dead heads and in minority. On a final note, I will continue to post the useful information for whoever cares to see the non aboriginal status of Odua squad as I have proven with scholarly reference and 21st century evidence Respect to you bro Cheers 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 8:40pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
OlaoChi: Thanks very much for your kind words and vivid encouragements. But I'll really appreciate something very small from you You know how to interpret Yoruba terms, then what does OGBOMOSHO means as a Yoruba enthusiast? My other question is, are you Yoruba? |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 9:56pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 10:31pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 11:31pm On Aug 24, 2018 |
Olu317: Hmm, The bolded tho. I believe the ancestors have their ways of choosing us to do their bid and fortifying us with the keen spirit to find resources to that end. I havent confirm my link with Obalufon, which Crowther define as the God of peace. I know you are referring to the spirit of prophecy in the song I once shared about the disciples of Oduduwa, in the Sheba thread. Its the prophecy of our ancestors, and it will come to pass at the fullness of time. We have about three or four Igas (homestead or quarters) at Isale Ado, namely Itako, Ilaje, Isolo, Ileba: they are about one of the earliest places in Yorubaland. Ilaje are the custodians of Oduduwa Temple, of which Ado is famed in the 19th century. Albeit, I'm rather from Iga-Isolo, we are affiliated to Ileba, (the land of Eber, which is the root word for Hebrew) and our lineage are the 'Owun-Olowonrin' meaning 'the custodians of 'the tradition of migration'. 'Owun' in Awori dialect is 'awon', which in Yoruba implies 'people' and Olowonrin 'handlers of the migrants'. Therefore, its the house of the handlers of Yoruba migration tradition. Owonrin did feature in Ifa copus, and it is derived from ancient Yoruba migration tradition. It is also the traditional name for Lagos Island, Awonrin, which is clearer to decipher as 'awon-orin' meaning those that migrated. Till date, the Egun refers to Lagos as 'Ahonrin' which is yet a corruption of the word Awonrin. Oriki Omo Eleba Ori, scion of one pertaining to Eba the Seer, Omo Ori Onoja Osan, scion of the Seer, merchant of daylight. Stay bless bro. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 10:10am On Aug 25, 2018 |
0balufonlll:I know about this criticism and slight flaws in comparison of certain error about Olumide's researched work. And as usual, it can't be taken away from his claimed Origin of Yoruba as Egyptians because, some Yoruba had knowledge of this. Funny enough Yoruba are groups of people of different ancestry that became unified. This is the bitter truth and Odua squad are the majority , which many shy away from this truth.Do you even think the Arabic lexicon found in Yoruba land were as a result of Islam? ! You really need to get grasp of books and visit places to see the bitter truth,staring at you. Have you forgotten Arabs are part of Yoruba too? Kindly go to Ilorin,Kuwo etc. Like I had said, it is greater than you or I. What is required of you, is to contribute your quota via research. Using Linguistic as a deterrent to Dr. Olumide's researched work showed exactly where Africans lacked the pedigree to understanding the world at large. How many among the western researchers were linguists in 1800 century that begun to group African languages indescriminately ? Intead of more devotion by other researchers to do more on this work for criticism and more finding,on the possibilities of migrants status of many yorubas through the eyes of Olumide's work in the 1940s that the man saw what, not many of his contemporaries saw except the Western Researchers. Many western researchers said these, even , Dierk Lange said this in his book in recent past . What a people ! in Yoruba land. Funny enough there is no account to showed any of the so called great men of the cosmopolitan ILEIFE in the ancient time had known ancestors and how they were born . Perhaps you know them? Kindly share and don't say it is classified as Àwo... :There are inconsequential perspective that keep trying to show as a support for your defense. Even Sussan Blier said my own ancestors worshipped ‘sungod'.Is this not enough for you to be provoked in your spirit? I guess you don't understand and can't. Bro, kindly go into research work to write from your own belief if you can. On a final note,whatever I chose to work on is solely divine because you arent contending with me or I against you. Trust me, it is on a futile mission. This is my world...... Cheers |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 1:46pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 5:15pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
0balufonlll:So,the ‘slight ', I used brought all this your opinion? ...Oh k oo.Hold steadfast to your views with non beyond Odua and Obatala's lifetime in cosmopolitan ILEIFE during their time. Why ask for books to be cited by me? I don't think I have such time anymore because you are basically not widely read. Trust me ,you aren't. But know it ,that YOU HAVE NO ANSWER TO ANY of the questions on Obatala's ancestors or Odua's. This should be your concern. So, you don't know that Ilorin was a cosmopolitan too? . It is really disheartening reading this from the professor of yoruba history himself ,about palace servants that usurped Afonja authority... Get book on Ilorin to feed your eyes . In the meantime, Ilorin community became culturally multifarious following the influx of a multiplicity of other cultural and sub-cultural groups so much that by the time civil strife occurred between Afonja and Shehu Alimi`s Jama`a about 1807 or thereabout, the combined population of the Jama`a in Gambari, Fulani and Okesuna areas who were mainly non-Yorubas had greatly exceeded that of the Kakanfo`s compatriots who were confined to Idi-ape and its environs, including Dada. It is incontrovertible, for instance, that at the time of Shehu alimi`s arrival in Ilorin, the area now called Alanamu and Ajikobi wards were sparsely inhabited. The areas were opened up later for settlement by some Yoruba members of the retinue which accompanied Shehu Alimi to Ilorin under the leadership of Usman and Se`eni who afterwards became Balogun Ajikobi and Balogun Alanamu respectively. It was a massive influx of people of assorted cultural background, after Islamic governance had been firmly established, that conditioned the demographic size, composition and texture of Ilorin. With the resultant ethnic and cultural heterogeneity, Islam became the common denominator and the only unifying factor. It facilitated inter-mingling, socialization and integration among the various peoples. Consequently, a unique Islamic culture, into which the diverse cultures melted, emerged. However, the infectious Yoruba language became the lingua franca. The consequent submergence of all other languages into Yoruba gives an illusory impression of monolithic culture by obscuring the cultural pluralism inherent in the Emirate, particularly in Ilorin, where a substantial proportion of the indigenous population is anthropologically non-Yoruba. For example, the following non-Yoruba families randomly sampled in the seemingly Yoruba-dominated “Oke Imole” no longer bear their original non-Yoruba identities. This illustrates the depth of cultural assimilation that has occurred and gives a deceptive impression of the ethno-cultural complexity of Ilorin. The core families in Agbaji namely; Ile Saura, Ile Aburo, Ile Baba Sa`are, Ile Agoro and Ile Imam Agbaji were originally Sudanese Arabs from a town called Ar-Baji on the Blue Nile. So also were the ancestral parents of the people of Ile Ara-Agbaji at Masingba, Oke Imole. Ile Hejebu, Ile Singini, Ile Oloko, Ile Oniko, Ile Ada-Ara and Ile Majo are extensions of the core families in Agbaji. Members of Ile Ibrahim Bature at Oke-Apomu are Arabs by origin. They migrated to Ilorin from Agades from Niger Republic. The Ojibara family in the same area is of Fulani descent. They initially sojourned in Borno before they migrated to Ilorin finally. Deal with the truth! Odua was a migrant as well as many others. Cheers |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by 0balufonlll: 10:49am On Aug 26, 2018 |
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Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by kayfra: 12:00pm On Aug 26, 2018 |
This r*tarded thread is based on the premise that languages are pretty ancient, when it's one of the more recent changes to a group of people. A group could change their language over 3-4 generations. So all the loose association with Israel is comical 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 2:36pm On Aug 26, 2018 |
Poorly studied aren't so scarce to know but always regurgitating over frivilous issue ,when the Western scholars are already reconstructing the ancient time by deciphering hieroglyphs , pictographs ,cuneiform,etc of to connect to the past,which was the basis for ancient form of documenting information and writing Pity can't pity self because pity don't understand what pity stands to benefit when pitied... Gravement drôle 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 3:24pm On Aug 26, 2018 |
There are concepts within the Yoruba language that we have not really decipher, and may be beyond the grasp of people without hold on Yoruba words and their interpretations. This is gold mine of time tested insights and secret, or historical codes for people versed in the deep knowledge of terms and application in Yoruba intellectual culture. Contexts and Contents in Yoruba Language Earlier on this thread, (my last post precisely) I did referenced my lineage's 'oriki', which is a concept in Yoruba intellectual culture. Let's say someone invented the oriki that became a fad at one time or the other, such a person is the original poet and a fad-inventor. The same poet was a wordsmith and a traditional historian conceptualizing Yoruba history of his era. Who Is A Wordsmith? A wordsmith is someone who coin a word that becomes part and parcel of syllables, lexis and structure of a language known to a culture. For instance, our wordsmith of old coined the term 'oriki'-which compresses the history and social attainment of the patriarchs of old to serve as 'memorial' for the incoming generation of their people. Such is the context that inform the concept. What forms the content of oriki? Social attainments, glimpse of history, peculiarity of icon or historical character are the favorites of the traditional composers of oriki. They left behind vivid pictures for the household that if ponder upon will definitely give a glimpse of political or social history of the particular household in question. Once upon a time, on my way to the library, I visited a restaurant to have my lunch. I saw a souvenir, a calendar printed for the burial ceremony of an old man. On it is the oriki of the man in question. Although all other lines were lost on me, but one line stood out and caught my attention, 'omo akaimeye irawo'. This means 'son of one who count the innumerable stars'. Of What Significance Is Oriki? Oriki indeed is one of the contents preserved in Yoruba language and one of the precepts of Yoruba intellectual culture. I still recites my ancestral oriki each time my niece visits me. Well one pastor was telling me I'm invoking ancestral spirit on my niece, I told him, my ancestors are good people, their spirit never haunt me. Its unnecessary to destroy everything we don't understand. Oriki is an example of a context in Yoruba language. The verses that make up each householders' oriki is the content. Another context in Yoruba cultural tradition is Yoruba intellectual culture. In harmony, oriki is one of the subsets of Yoruba Intellectual Culture. Thus in my book, Yoruba Glorious Secrets, I did a chapter on Yoruba Intellectual Culture. But not on Oriki though. It is noteworthy that names of cities were equally coined by great wordsmiths of the ancient Yorubas who have great knowledge of the history of their people. There is no city, town or village in Yorubaland without a thought invoking name. Lets take Ogbomosho for instance. Though, I never lived in the 500BC (?) that this city was founded but the Yoruba wordsmiths did. Coding Of Historical Words The duty of the wordsmith is to 'encode' a word in cryptic form. As a student of Yoruba intellectual culture, a would-be Yoruba wordsmith must be equally versed in both aspect of content - concept appreciation and context - consent decryption. I choose Ogbomosho because we've already talked about it earlier. The wordsmiths of old did have dexterity of word usage. From the story, Soun Ogunlola beheaded Elemosho, so he was nicknamed Ogbori-Elemosho. When you consider the name Ogbomosho for instance, you'll see the signature that confirms this name as historical piece and not myth. The fact is that the city name is a contraption of two words: Ogbori and Elemosho, or put more aptly Ogbo[ri] and [Ele]mosho. Thus from prefix and suffix, a name was coined by the wordsmith. There is no crime in getting to know those that encode Yoruba names and terminologies for different individuals, concepts and things, names that makes us wiser. We must therefore appreciate that within our culture in certain remote time, great wordsmiths once flourished and had beautify our language with meaningful terms and ideology. Cc: Olu, metaphysical, Rosikki. happy weekend, big family. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 8:47pm On Aug 27, 2018 |
absoluteSuccess:Quite informative. |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:10pm On Aug 27, 2018 |
absoluteSuccess:I actually did a slight verification of the advent of the western world oriki(genealogy).The western world surpased yorubas method which is basically on oral . While the missing aspect in the Oral Yoruba's oriki is the possibility of the ‘gap' in between the panegyric of the Yoruba ancestors which actually made it difficult to be able to pegged the ancestors of yoruba's history that predate the civil wars that took place in the time of Olofin Adimula and Obatal a,which a renowned researcher, Sussan Blier muddled up with the time of Oranmiyan and Obalufon Alayemore which the date is uncertain because there is no written record of it,and the hieroglyphic of Oranmiyan has not been able to be uncoded. In fact, nisai claimed there more than four of such hieroglyphs. A lot really need be done becuase Europeans researchers identify the class of genealogy as , oral tradition; the second, that in which certain pedigrees were committed to writing. The third stage comprises the period from approximately 1500 in western Europe and later in the English-speaking world, during which the whole basis of genealogy widened to such an extent that it is now possible for the majority of people in western Europe to trace their ancestry.Unfortunately Oral tradition and biblical sources. In the early days of civilization, before written records were made, oral traditions were necessarily important but in modern times,there are a lot that make genealogy more robust ,especially with the scientific angle. Without the art of writing, reliance must be placed on memory. And this placed reliance on memory is the reason for distortion and foul play many times. I sincerely hope a lot will be done to understating the meaning of the orikis and the interpretation because I have seen so many words in many orikis even IFA corpus that its descriptive meaning is lost to the whirlwind. Cheers |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by absoluteSuccess: 10:10pm On Aug 27, 2018 |
Olu317: I intended putting the last post and this one together but when I was making the composition, it was bedtime already, and have to respect my better-half. If you are married, may the best of the blessings in marriage be your portion, if about to, may you finding the most pleasing and endowed princess of your people, good sire. As to your question, yes there is connection: there is an harmony in what the pedigree says and what Yoruba tradition consent with. The Awori were said to be 'omo oloko nile Iseri'. So the tradition is 'kafeso gunle si Iseri imole'. Don't forget, Iseri is Yoruba for ancient Israel. Then Awori as the group name implies that the land was discovered by the ancestors explorers who first came to inquire or survey the land. These explorers came through the sea, hence the Awori were called omo iwaju oloko tii sowo, implying that money was used to bankroll the exploration of Yorubaland by the ancestors of old. Perhaps the ancient Yoruba navy were well remunerated. Then it follows that Alaje (Oduduwa) was a rich woman who paid for the exploration, she and her contemporaries were onoja: meaning, merchants. Yorubaland was often refers to as Oja in ancient traditions. The term Aye l'oja orun nile is reminiscence of Yoruba migration from her origin to Yorubaland. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Hebrew Heritage by Olu317(m): 9:50am On Aug 28, 2018 |
absoluteSuccess:Good to know that you recognised that having a better half is important in every man's life. I admire your gut and the respect you shower on your madam. Albeit, Orísà jé n pèe mèjí obínrín o jé but a good wife is the one that sustains her home with her hard work, obedient to her husband and almighty God. Indeed peace reside with those who are the chosen ones. And to your question on my part, I am. Àmó o àtí kí ojè sí ba'oloshá lówó o wà kú bàbà éní tí nbó. Cheers |
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