Olu317:
Dem dem Ibo apologists continue in their ignorance...split kó ,divide ní . If Ibo split from Yoruba, why did Catherine Acholonu thesis counter it ? The same manner Atkinson said about language in west Africa as the place of its origin. Funny enough yoruba language was already in existence 3000 years ago. And this language was spoken in Egypt. Infact 3000 years ago was less 700 years before Jesus christ. . Kikikiki

Confuse set of people,who are bent in lumping my yoruba ancestors with Ibos' ancestors. As usual,they are here with incoherent statement of denying their claim that, ‘Ibos splitted from Yoruba and Yoruba are not Ibos'. . Confusion grandeur.

Below is a screenshot of kemet word present in Yoruba word list over 3000 years ago..........

RedboneSmith:


Please, pay this guy no heed. Anytime I am trying to have a serious discussion about Igbo or West African history with people and they mention Catherine Acholonu's works, I just stop responding to them because it would just be time-wasting and painful to me.

Catherine was neither a historian nor an archaeologist nor a linguist. The woman read literature, and then decided that what she wanted to do with her life was history, archaeology and historical linguistics. Someone who was serious would have at least tried to educate themselves a little about their chosen 'hobby', but not Catherine.

If you read this woman's work you will wonder whether she was on some kind of perpetual high. She claimed the city of Heliopolis in Ancient Egypt was actually in Igbo-Ukwu. There was literally no depth of ridiculosity that Catherine Acholonu did not sink to in her 'scholarship'. It is no wonder that none of her works appear in peer-reviewed journals and none of her books was published by a university press. Scholars do not quote her work; many scholars in fact completely ignore her works. Only amateurs on the internet and people with no historical training reference her.

She was fond of doing collaborations with people whose discipline have nothing to do with history, because she could not get actual historians to collaborate with her. For instance her book "They came Before Adam" (Where she claimed the Igbo language is the oldest language in the world) was written with an Indian computer scientist! A computer scientist of all people!

Another thing you should know: Catherine Acholonu mastered the art of quoting people out of context. Dr Quentin Atkinson, the biologist being mentioned here, had his work completely misquoted by Catherine.

Olu317:
I have answered you all and even went further to post books that can help understand word list of ancient Hebrews.

And, if you don't understand the oral account,kindly visit Moba Town or google Otun Ore history.
And on Igala history, I have answered you because Attah Igala also claimed that Yoruba also settled down in their midst.

macof:
I have told you to go and seek help with your mental issues. it is a brotherly advice

macof:
no olu, you answered only 3 questions out of 17...after that your questions piled up again to over 20 unanswered questions altogether

I will create a separate thread just for you and me

you must either answer my questions or come out clean....because these questions were created out of your own claims..they are not random questions that i just made up...you make a bold claim and i ask you what are your sources or something along that line but you never respond
I'm giving you so much patience here and a big chance to convince me that proto-proto-yoruba people were hebrew

what oral account? narrate the oral account here and give your source.... I already told you that according to Atolagbe Moba in Lagos is the original homeland of Otun moba in Ekiti... and there is nothing that is above Atolagbe so far when it comes to Moba history

Where did Attah Igala claim he is descended from a mix of Nupe and Yoruba?

dont worry I am preparing a juicy thread for you to answer all your questions

absoluteSuccess:


i believe you have copied this line from the mail you send to your brother.

We are no blood relation.

You can't give what you don't have.

macof:
Who is Catherine Acholonu? a linguist? And are you trying to say that Igbo language is the mother of Yoruba language now? if you know the woman's work is a sham why refer to it at all?


your yoruba ancestors? same yoruba ancestors that you refused to follow?
if yoruba ancestors are so important to you, why not dump christianity and enter Isese? or is chrisitianity your ancestral religion?
you are not more yoruba than me so all this my ancestors nkankan is sentimental play which has no role in historical studies

I will tell you that Suzanne Blier - an American art historian knows your ancestors more than you

There is no confusion in that Yoruba and Igbo split, yet Yoruba are not Igbo...it is common sense.. If yoruba were igbo no one will talk about a split...Yoruba and Igbo have been different people for 3000 years..that is what it means...3000 years is more than enough for these people to create a very unique identity different from that of the proto-culture they came from

To be honest, i am doing you a great service educating you like this but just because you are yoruba, eventually i will leave you to your delusions but not until you understand basic things like "split people doesn't mean same people"...i mean you cant be that stupid ..can you?





www.nairaland.com/attachments/7782794_img20180915115237_jpeg3a3eefc25dab5ae83ebefeb30bbdad3f

in this same picture you posted, Egyptian language is being compared to Bantu languages as well as Yoruba and Fulani(pulaar).
Also some of the yoruba words are wrong
1. bọse is not secretly... I mean i have never heard that word.. unless you know something i don't know . Yoruba for secretly is 'nikoko'
2. busa is not 'to honor/respect' ...also nevr heard that word... to respect - bọwọ
3. bọti is also wrong.. it is ọti

as for 'ba' which your picture says 'germinate'..i am unsure of the yoruba word for germinate that is why i wont say much.. maybe 0balufonlll knows..egbon?

as for the remaining 4 words can you explain how these words are borrowed from egyptian language? what methodology did you use to arrive at this conclusion?

OlaoChi:
who was rubbished??
And what's this about people on whom I anchor faith on? I happen to deal with facts, anybody who can bring facts not faith on people


Lmao. so you thought I'm a jobless self acclaimed historian and linguist like yourself? I am well educated enough to respect the people who actually dedicate time and energy learning and researching, people who have university or at least a sound traditional training. I cannot claim to be a historian because I know some history, I cannot claim to be a linguist because I know a know a thing or two, the appropriate term is enthusiast

Unlike someone who has failed with everything else in life and thinks reinventing Yoruba history is the way out of irrelevance, poverty and miserably. Look don't let me face you personally so just don't go there, I'm not the one looking for how to survive by all means

You are a fraud, not versed in anything. If anybody wants to claim authority in a subject such person should have a basic understanding of the subject matter first, then move up to building that knowledge and understanding in an academic environment.
You lack basic knowledge of linguistic, you ignore etymology and meanings
I mean imagine "Hebrew" is "Ibẹru" in Yoruba And you claim to be an authority you are a criminal minded fellow

Funny enough your activities on nairaland still don't help your hustle for money(you don't get paid) , nor for relevance because while it might seem fine and rosy to make claims once you get hit with questions you burst out crying and bitching about it realizing how you have nothing but you won't admit it.

I've told you what to do, go to school. Go get basic education on the subject. Historical linguistics and history are courses you can study if you really want to make a living from Yoruba history

I believe the facts are very available, staring you right in the face.

But I know you will ignore the facts and choose to remain in your delusions of Hebrew descent when you have no linguistic or DNA connection with Hebrews

there is no doubt about this. This is how Linguists know to classify Yoruba as a Volta - Niger language under the larger Niger - Congo group of languages. Linguists should have classified Yoruba as Semitic but alas, they did not. So it won't take an unemployed untrained fellow like yourself to change that, certainly not when you have no evidence to lay a superior argument

When you can counter this with evidence you will finally become relevant in life, until then, enjoy your failures

I can be an expert, so can you, all you need to do is study the subject. Go to school

Being an expert in history or linguists is not easy granted, because there is much to learn but anyone can achieve that by taking the right steps. But the way you are now, you are nothing but a fraud.

I can't believe you are actually condemning me for leaving it to the experts, seriously?

OK, and then I joined you in reinventing by claiming Yoruba are Japanese (which you thought I was serious) but you attacked for that one, so it seems it is either middle east or nothing for you . By the way, I have a better case of Yoruba being Japanese than you do on Yoruba being Hebrew, I can go on just for fun.

I mean I don't have to say stupid shitt like Hebrew is ibẹru (fear in Yoruba), I'll give you real similar sounding words with similar meanings any gullible slowpoke will believe Yoruba are really Japanese

Ìwọ gangan ni olodo, ibi tí mo ti dé l'áyé yìí oò lè f'oju ri
Ìwọ aláìníṣẹ́ṣé, aláìní ànfàní èèyàn, tí Ìyìn àti Ògo èèyàn mí lo n'wá kiri. Lọ gb'ẹ̀kọ́, lọ fi àyè ẹ ṣíṣẹ́ òtítọ́. Oníjìbìtì lásán-làsàn òṣì

macof:
sorry i don't have any brothers with mental issues
Go seek help, you can't differentiate what is real from what is not and you are too emotional...because if at least 10 years of pursuing Yoruba-hebrew connection hasn't yielded any evidence i wonder what time it will

macof:
no olu, you answered only 3 questions out of 17...after that your questions piled up again to over 20 unanswered questions altogether

I will create a separate thread just for you and me

you must either answer my questions or come out clean....because these questions were created out of your own claims..they are not random questions that i just made up...you make a bold claim and i ask you what are your sources or something along that line but you never respond
I'm giving you so much patience here and a big chance to convince me that proto-proto-yoruba people were hebrew

what oral account? narrate the oral account here and give your source.... I already told you that according to Atolagbe Moba in Lagos is the original homeland of Otun moba in Ekiti... and there is nothing that is above Atolagbe so far when it comes to Moba history

Where did Attah Igala claim he is descended from a mix of Nupe and Yoruba?

dont worry I am preparing a juicy thread for you to answer all your questions

Olu317:
A juicy platform? Lmao! I don't need such because, I am not on a battle field nor intellectual contest with you. It is far from it. In as much,that I have stake in Yoruba land as you do,then ,I can share my resaerch work as I have doing and with screenshots. Afterall,I was not the person who did the work but was taught by my Ancient Hebrew Rabbi. So, it not a ‘quack' theory

Again, you asked me to provide source of my information, which I have done. In fact, I went further to mention names and google search engine to read through some information because information on Yoruba liters the Internet but same cannot be said of the ancient Hebrews.Getting extensive information on ancient Hebrew mean you have to pay through your nose before you can benefit from the wealth of experience from the researchers.

Cheers

Olu317:
A juicy platform? Lmao! I don't need such because, I am not on a battle field nor intellectual contest with you. It is far from it. In as much,that I have stake in Yoruba land as you do,then ,I can share my resaerch work as I have doing and with screenshots. Afterall,I was not the person who did the work but was taught by my Ancient Hebrew Rabbi. So, it not a ‘quack' theory

Again, you asked me to provide source of my information, which I have done. In fact, I went further to mention names and google search engine to read through some information because information on Yoruba liters the Internet but same cannot be said of the ancient Hebrews.Getting extensive information on ancient Hebrew mean you have to pay through your nose before you can benefit from the wealth of experience from the researchers.

Cheers

Obalufon:


who are the moba ? i want to learn .life is too short to be stuck up with one believe or ideas ..

0balufonlll:


There are so many problems with everything you typed above but I’ll list a few.

1. In History writing, Bible is not consider a source. Be it primary or secondary. It has been mostly proven and agreed that data in the Bible is largely mythical. For example, see this:



So you can not start your work using Bible as the groundwork. Sorry.

2. Everything you wrote up here is not a methodology for working cognates in Linguistic and neither is it credible in History. Your idea is on extremely shaky grounds. If you started the abstract or introduction of your paper with this Biblical foundations, academics will throw it in the bin after skiming through couples lines. Your work is best suited for the masses, folks who are poorly educated and are not likely to ask questions.

3. I understand that you want Olaochi to give you historical connections between Japan & Yoruba. But do you understand that the angle you are exploring is the Yoruba Mecca angle which in itself is not history but a myth relegated to the people of Oyo/Katunga only?

4. Actually, you have a lot to prove as far as etymology goes. Etymology is done using a lot of procedures, a lot. With lexicostatistics included. Your posts do not include these steps for anyone to take them serious.



The link you posted was: https://www.ilorin.info/ it shows links to news. I had to use the drop down menu & went to ‘about’. So I don’t know what you meant about seeing Gambari there. How about a screenshot? Also, I do not know why Oba of Ilorin’s name is ‘Gambari’ but Yoruba’s understanding/use of the term is for the Hausa people.



Like I said, can you provide names of all the fathers & mothers of Luusi your ancestor? We can start from there.

No one said Olofin was born at Oke Ora but he was known to have lived there with his folks like several other people who lived on hill settlements in what is now Ile-Ife.

Also, Eluyemi Omotoso the Apena in Ile-Ife during his days was an archeologist who got the permission to excavate Oke Ora. He retrieved stone axes & several other relics which were taken to Europe for dating.

Do you understand that for a work to be agreed on, a community of that discipline would have critiqued the work and agreed to it, right? If you do know this then also know that Eluyemi’s excavations were assessed by a community of archeologists locally & internationally vis a vis the Idio family’s historical records of Oke Ora before it was agreed to in the research.

P.S: the Oke Ora knowledge was however buried again to prevent people going there. It is a pilgrim site for the Ooni coronation only. There’s another Oke that holds importance during coronation but I’ll keep that out of NL.

0balufonlll:


Lol contrary to my opinion? .

Mr. Olu, you nor go kill me with laugh. Are you grounded in the basic foundations of History as a discipline at all? It is not my opinion that Bible is not regarded as a source in History writing, I stated the fact as held by foremost Historians who agreed on this fact. And fact in my field which is History, is that, Bible is not a source of History writing/research be it primary or secondary regardless of whatever prophecy is contained in it. Please note this.

There’s no where you mentioned giving me methodology? Bruh, in your last post you tried & FAILED at an attempt at methodology. . Your statement here about methodology is you trying to back pedal after hitting a brickwall. Did you think I was going to fall for what you wrote? You should know some folks you are engaging here are in the business of academia. . I see what you tried to do, trying to be smart but by half, LOL. It is cool though.

You have gone from Hebrew language to Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland. The point is, which of the Yoruba indigenous worship are you an initiate of? None, yet you want to speak on worship? Lol.

Do you even understand that working of cognates require etymology? Lol. Smh.

Luusi had a father among one of Lajamisan’s sons. Looool. Man, you are trying to be a fraud that Olaochi has accussed you of - and I don’t want you to be.

So please, start by mentioning the Lajamisan’s son who was Luusi’s father. While you are at it, keep in mind the crown princes of the compounds of Lajamisan's sons are my father’s colleagues in the council of crown princes where my father is also the crown prince of our own side of the fam. In addition, I am also investigating Lajamisan’s sons. Please mention that Luusi’s father, I so cannot wait for you to shoot yourself in the foot.

That is the point. You are not an Awo, so you do not know what defines secrecy in Yoruba traditional circles. Lol an Ogberi/AGT will always be an Ogberi/AGT.

I so cannot wait to read your response.

God bless you as you respond

0balufonlll:


Lol contrary to my opinion? .

Mr. Olu, you nor go kill me with laugh. Are you grounded in the basic foundations of History as a discipline at all? It is not my opinion that Bible is not regarded as a source in History writing, I stated the fact as held by foremost Historians who agreed on this fact. And fact in my field which is History, is that, Bible is not a source of History writing/research be it primary or secondary regardless of whatever prophecy is contained in it. Please note this.

There’s no where you mentioned giving me methodology? Bruh, in your last post you tried & FAILED at an attempt at methodology. . Your statement here about methodology is you trying to back pedal after hitting a brickwall. Did you think I was going to fall for what you wrote? You should know some folks you are engaging here are in the business of academia. . I see what you tried to do, trying to be smart but by half, LOL. It is cool though.

You have gone from Hebrew language to Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland. The point is, which of the Yoruba indigenous worship are you an initiate of? None, yet you want to speak on worship? Lol.

Do you even understand that working of cognates require etymology? Lol. Smh.

Luusi had a father among one of Lajamisan’s sons. Looool. Man, you are trying to be a fraud that Olaochi has accussed you of - and I don’t want you to be.

So please, start by mentioning the Lajamisan’s son who was Luusi’s father. While you are at it, keep in mind the crown princes of the compounds of Lajamisan's sons are my father’s colleagues in the council of crown princes where my father is also the crown prince of our own side of the fam. In addition, I am also investigating Lajamisan’s sons. Please mention that Luusi’s father, I so cannot wait for you to shoot yourself in the foot.

That is the point. You are not an Awo, so you do not know what defines secrecy in Yoruba traditional circles. Lol an Ogberi/AGT will always be an Ogberi/AGT.

I so cannot wait to read your response.

God bless you as you respond

MetaPhysical:
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.

MetaPhysical:
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.

Olu317:


These people have lost focus in dealing with the issue but rather prefer to use vulgar words and incoherent, ‘verbs' on people. I just wonder how many Western Researchers do quote Professor Biobaku's citation of divergence of Yoruba 4000 years ago? But here we are with people in 2018 ,trying so hard to lecture us on what they don't even know that it is filled with fairytale .What an irony!.

As disapointing as it is with these people, no western scholarly group ask or query your authencity on a statement once the person is sharing his or her opinion with necessary “citation needed”. Anyway,my research work will have the necessary backing.


Cheers.

0balufonlll:


Your entire response is very comical. I understand you were ruffled by my previous response and you were desperately in need of an escape route.

1. No, it is not. Go to any university around you, visit the History department and ask students or lecturers there. You keep speaking of disciplines you have no inkling of knowledge about and further display your ignorance.

2. Lol now you know cognates require etymology. Didn’t you say differently in your previous post? Looool.

3. Luusi that doesn’t even come close to Maye, Sigbunsin, Lukosi, Luugba.. If the king of your town visits Ife he will sit on the floor in the front of Lowa not to mention the Isoro kings, Obalufe or the almighty Ooni. So there is nothing privilege-ish about your background. You are the one who is privilege to engage people here who are knowledgeable in their fields. Messrs Olaochi, Redbone, Macof have added to your knowledge and you’ll certainly review your concoctions from what they have given added to you. You should be thankful to them.

4. Olugbo is not related to Obamakin. You don’t know this & I do not blame you. I gave & continue to give you accounts as an insider & indigene of Ile-Ife. It is a primary source & you should cherish it. You have either confused me with Mr. Obalufon who is from Ilara, Ile-Ife or you tried to dishonestly obfuscate things. At no time have I claimed Obalufon lineage - I admire the man for his legacies and that is where it stops.

5. Desperate? You are the one who switched from focusing on language to looking for Mediterranean worship in Yorubaland - this is desperation in full gear to me. And it is even worse that you are a Christian trying to speak on Yoruba religion - this seems like an attempt at an escape route to me.. I have never hidden my awo backgrounds since my days on Nairaland and when I find an ogberi talking glib like you have, I call them out.

In conclusion, you have faithfully displayed the same goal-shifting character when faced with proper questions. You obviously do not have an academic grip of things you are dabbling into. You are in pursuit of a fantasy.

It is funny though that the propehcy in the Bible is the background to your study. No disrespect but didn’t you tell your friend Absolute you were married with kids? How is a family man so entagledwith fantasy this much? I am confused.

MetaPhysical:
I will interject here and say if we go back many many many threads and years ago when the discussion took off in Nairaland (and the threads are still available for anyone who cared to review them) asking and probing into the beginnings of Yoruba, those who initiated the topics were not historians and were not linguists. I recall in particular an impressive thread about Yoruba Arts depicting the Ife Heads with videos and narratives of their past, and there was another one that showed Yoruba in pictures and only arts and sketches of various aspects of Yoruba culture, technology, crafts, and so on. In all of the inquiries and presentations I never once saw where the owners of those thread told scholars in history and language to get out and not participate. In fact, in some of the arts portrayed, the historians and linguists present on the thread were seing them for the first time, they never knew such existed amongst Yorubas.

So it has become a trend lately where historians and linguists on Yoruba are asking others to shut up and not talk about Yoruba history unless they had the training or credential first of all that qualified them as authority on Yoruba history.

I want to know, how did these historians and linguists acquire their position of authority, is it not through the eyes of Europeans? Where did the European obtained his record of Yoruba, is it not through his interaction with oral authorities in Yorubaland? So when you go the full circle, the very basic voice of Yoruba history rests in oral accounts. Suzan Wenger was not an Osun scholar and Priestess in Germany....she interacted orally to become an expert on subject of Osun deity. Leo Frobenius was not a scholar of African Anthropology in Germany, he interacted orally with the natives.

The work produced by Suzan and by Leo were improvements, not in process, but to highlight for posterity what the Yorubas do, how they do it and its significant value to mankind and civilization. They did not tell the oralists to step aside because they were not trained in the data and analysis of history and language.

I believe the time has come to run parallel threads. What I mean by this is the professed scholars should open and discuss Yoruba history and language in their own thread and share academic discoveries of Yoruba language and history. The non-historians and non-linguists should run their own threads separately and share inputs, theories and knowledge. I say this because the antagonism of scholarship has diverted focus away and slowed down learning from contributors like absolutesuccess, Olu and myself. If however these scholars are unrepentant, we will start throwing challenges in your academic works to ridicule and bring your laxity to surface. You are not a protected, untouchable class.