Obalufon:
thanks brother

OlaoChi:


Another senseless long post full of nothing but insults and personal attacks rather than deal with proving your own claims

If I reply this post with the words you deserve, metaphysical and BabaRamota1980 will say I insulted someone

Online forum is where you can say what you like, in the big real world you cannot, so enjoy it, that's all you have

Olu317:
Bro,ignore these people because they are inconsequential to what's at stake, so stop quoting them because they know nothing than the detail that filled the internet. Once you have any knowledge to share, kindly let's see them.



Cheers

MayorofLagos:


Do you subscribe to that oral history? Give us the full account of this "EAST".

absoluteSuccess:


Ok, I can see you don't have enough intellectual strength to break up the post to fit your polemics.

@ the bolded, just wait and see. I'll remind you when the time comes so you can cry me a river that your hope has failed.

Can metaphysical and babaRamota1980 change you from the fail being that you are?

You must keep being yourself in whichever handle you choose.

Olu317:
Ancient times ways of war is likened to the modern ISIS pattern of destruction of people's kingdoms and temples. So, proofing this things are in three fold:

1.Oral

2. Ancient form of writing

3. DNA(Genetic )



As we all can see, there are account narrated by the custodians of known ddeity-ancestors that aren't accurate (as we have been told)

[9/24, 08:23] Buy Plot(s) Of Land: Ancient times ways of war is likened to the modern ISIS pattern of destruction of people's kingdoms and temples. So, proofing this things are in three fold:

1.Oral

2. Ancient form of writing

3. DNA(Genetic )



1.As we all can see, there are inconsistency in some account narrated by the interviewed Oral(as we have been told)

Take for instance, the sacred Text says, ‘
Ógun may have had other attributes. He may have been a Phallic Deity, because there are hewn stones in Ífè, called the staves of Ógun, which appear p. 62 to be of Phallic origin'.


‘Ógun may also have been the Sun-God (or a worshipper of the Sun-God). His festival is commonly called Olójjor (Lord of Day). Oshogun says Ógun was Olójjor; Arába says Olójjor was someone else, the confusion being due to the circumstance that the two festivals take place at the same time. In this connection, the half-and-half colouring of Orányan is suggestive'.

Obviously, from the first quote, Yoruba people seem to have lost part of their history through generational vacuum, because, Og(gwg) also appeared as name in Raphaim archeological account in the Middle East , Og was a title for the Bashanite King is already found in Medieval Rabbinic literature, see Daat Zeqanim [ דעת זקנים ] to Genesis 24:39”.
Chaim Rabin suggested, something similar to the South Semitic ǵwg , meaning ‘man’ or ‘man of valour’. Thus, ‘Og’ is not a personal name but a title of a Canaanite king. It is similar to other titles of the Ugaritic and Canaanite kings which emphasise their manhood par excellence, and thus their strength and military prowess: e.g., ish, amēlu, mt (Del Olmo Lete, ‘Los nombres “divinos”‘, 257-66). Second, the Phoenician tomb inscription . Byblos 13 has a definite article before ‘Og’


The second quote suggest also suggest that between Oshogun; the guardian of Ogun deity and Araba,over all IFA priest,noon of them agreed to a conclusion, which also showed,something is wrong somewhere,with part of the oral history.

Google : www.sacred.texts.com
Sacred-Texts Africa Index Previous


2. Many present crops of Yoruba scholars are yet to catch up with methodologies required to break the jinx of the strength of Yoruba form of writing.This area is the key to the unraveling the ancient past of Yorubas. Photograph, lexicology,hieroglyphs,cuneiform remain the REAL DEAL.

3. Today, Genetics in all form has become the scientific tool that exposes the hidden. Thus, this area hasn't been filled by Yorubas researchers, which add more to unravelling the mystery.

Lastly, as convincingly as the renowned Western researchers kept this intriguing believe of the history of Yorubas from the angle of Hebrew Origin,even with a suggestive map directlon of the possible migration to the present day Yoruba land in Nigeria.

Below is a suggestive migration directions from the Middle East.

Olu317:
redboneSmith, are you what you claimed? For posterity sake, I will appreciate if you are sincere with your information on Catherine Acholonu. Please be honest in your information always. Simply because of Israel's link or Genetic connection to Yoruba? It's not worth it.

Catherine Obianuju Acholonu (26 October 1951 – 18 March 2014) was a Nigerian writer, researcher and former lecturer on African Cultural and Gender Studies. She served as the former Senior Special Adviser (SSA) to President Olusegun Obasanjo on Arts and Culture, and foundation member of the Association of Nigerian Authors (ANA).



Cheers.

MayorofLagos:


Becareful with Acholonu materials. Post the civil war a new awareness, an awakening dawned on the Ibo. What they failed to achieve in political warfare they wanted to erect in literary circle and academia. Yoruba art, culture, theater, rituals and pantheon was widely known to scholars. The only point of reference to Igbo was Achebe, Azikiwe and Biafra, nothing more. In culture old researchers documented them as forest people that practiced cannibalism and human rituals. no nobility, no dynasty or throne or kingdom. No known progenitor, no records of war or conquest. Most people around the world had never heard of a people called Ibo or igbo or Biafra. The war put them out there. So what Achebe and later Acholonu did was to start binding discussions on Igbo with Yoruba as reference. If they talk about Ibo arts they would throw in the Benin and Yoruba arts. if they talk about human sacrifice they will say it was common in the South amongst people like Yoruba and Benin. So the pattern grew to where you could not talk on Ibo arts and not mention Yoruba for comparison. They bonded Ibo to Yoruba...to the point that scholars thought whatever greatness Yoruba had, Ibo must have too. if you doubt me type a keyword into google search asking for Yoruba arts and antiquities. I guarantee you something about Igbo will be mentioned. These propaganda was made possible by many people, Acholonu being one of them.

The red cap igbo wear is Igala in origin. The traditional igbo hat is the knitted winter cap. The shift from the knitted to the red cap was brought about by a political necessity. If you review all pictures of Ibo politicians and leaders going back to the 60s and 50s, they wore the knitted. The way you could tell which Ibo is resident in Yorubaland and which is not is to look on their head to see which cap they wear. Azikiwe, Sir Louis Ojukwu, Okigbo, all wore Yoruba caps and Agbada when in native. The igbo mode of dressing was not acceptable in Lagos, you are seeing as an illiterate villager, an Okoro.

Red cap started when Ekwueme became VP. NPN was largely Hausa, Yoruba and Kanuri and wore their traditional caps. Igbo could not wear the knitted so the red cap as adopted and popularized by Ekeuwme and Chuba Okadigbo. During Obasanjo regime same thing. People like Soludo made it popular. Now you go to a gathering and every Igbo is wearing red cap...in fact they have taken ownership of it from Igala.

We don't like to talk about igbo too much but when it comes to race of superiority we can bring out facts that will expose everything back to its genesis.

MayorofLagos:


Becareful with Acholonu materials. Post the civil war a new awareness, an awakening dawned on the Ibo. What they failed to achieve in political warfare they wanted to erect in literary circle and academia. Yoruba art, culture, theater, rituals and pantheon was widely known to scholars. The only point of reference to Igbo was Achebe, Azikiwe and Biafra, nothing more. In culture old researchers documented them as forest people that practiced cannibalism and human rituals. no nobility, no dynasty or throne or kingdom. No known progenitor, no records of war or conquest. Most people around the world had never heard of a people called Ibo or igbo or Biafra. The war put them out there. So what Achebe and later Acholonu did was to start binding discussions on Igbo with Yoruba as reference. If they talk about Ibo arts they would throw in the Benin and Yoruba arts. if they talk about human sacrifice they will say it was common in the South amongst people like Yoruba and Benin. So the pattern grew to where you could not talk on Ibo arts and not mention Yoruba for comparison. They bonded Ibo to Yoruba...to the point that scholars thought whatever greatness Yoruba had, Ibo must have too. if you doubt me type a keyword into google search asking for Yoruba arts and antiquities. I guarantee you something about Igbo will be mentioned. These propaganda was made possible by many people, Acholonu being one of them.

The red cap igbo wear is Igala in origin. The traditional igbo hat is the knitted winter cap. The shift from the knitted to the red cap was brought about by a political necessity. If you review all pictures of Ibo politicians and leaders going back to the 60s and 50s, they wore the knitted. The way you could tell which Ibo is resident in Yorubaland and which is not is to look on their head to see which cap they wear. Azikiwe, Sir Louis Ojukwu, Okigbo, all wore Yoruba caps and Agbada when in native. The igbo mode of dressing was not acceptable in Lagos, you are seeing as an illiterate villager, an Okoro.

Red cap started when Ekwueme became VP. NPN was largely Hausa, Yoruba and Kanuri and wore their traditional caps. Igbo could not wear the knitted so the red cap as adopted and popularized by Ekeuwme and Chuba Okadigbo. During Obasanjo regime same thing. People like Soludo made it popular. Now you go to a gathering and every Igbo is wearing red cap...in fact they have taken ownership of it from Igala.

We don't like to talk about igbo too much but when it comes to race of superiority we can bring out facts that will expose everything back to its genesis.

MayorofLagos:
absolutesuccess, you are above that omo Ibo in every way. Please stay above him and not reply him.

Someone convinced him in his formative years that once he gets a degree he will become the king of internet. So at every opportunity he tries to test how far he can expand his domain. Unfortunately he picked the descendants of imperial warriors to test. We will teach him and re-educate him to the proper orientation of subordination.

Obalufon:


Mr Olu what do you know about yoruba ancient form of writing

MayorofLagos:
absolutesuccess, you are above that omo Ibo in every way. Please stay above him and not reply him.

Someone convinced him in his formative years that once he gets a degree he will become the king of internet. So at every opportunity he tries to test how far he can expand his domain. Unfortunately he picked the descendants of imperial warriors to test. We will teach him and re-educate him to the proper orientation of subordination.

macof:


Although this wasn't directed to me I have to say if you want to learn you should do well to question your teacher. "teacher don't teach me nonsense" comes to mind. The person who has the facts is the person who is right no matter what you believe or what opinions you want to religiously and sentimentally hold on to

The complexity of Yoruba history is only due to 3 factors -

1. Secrecy and Mysticism which you can only overhaul(if you think it is a problem) when you are deeply in the tradition. The importance of initiation and active practice cannot be overestimated when it comes to Yoruba

2. Yoruba history is not Yorubaland-based or Town-based but first of all Family-based. Each family has their own history and traditions that revolve around certain events in the history of that family. Even what you might think are town festivals are mostly just certain families reenacting an historical event that is specific to that those families not the entire town.

3. The duality of most Yoruba figures. Most characters in yoruba stories have historical and spiritual aspects, the spiritual aspects are myths that guide the Yoruba religion.

This can be a total mess to a person who doesnt know better, that is why you hear of Oduduwa creating the earth as he came down from Orun, yet that name is also given to the first Olufe (Ooni), take it as one side inspiring the other, sometimes we don't even know which inspired which...

although in the case of Oduduwa the two sides seem to have inspired eachother, which the name Oduduwa coming from an older spiritual myth but the myth itself changing to incorporate elements of the historical events eg. Oduduwa the man, came down a chain from Ora hill, Obatala lost the war mostly due to his drinking problems

So its complexity has is not due to migration or intermingling in the sense that you think.

The seemingly different views of the Olugbo and Ooni's palace are actually both right, same way it might seem as if the families of Obatala and Obameri are telling different stories, they are saying the same thing just from different perspectives

Ile Ife was founded by hunter-gatherers, the progenitors of the speakers of Upper Volta by Niger-Congo kwa linguistic phylum. Her history dated back to the Stone Age, where tradition places the birth of Obatala, who probably lay the foundation of the great city. His was the dream to develop Ile Ife to a sprawling city-state.

Obatala the great did began his noble quest to create a new world out of Ile Ife, to make her a beacon of light in this region, where enlightenment will spread to the rest of the world. He will then establish a royal succession to rule over the empire. With him are courtiers and crowds to establish the vision. But alas, to this great mind is a weakness; he was addicted to strong wine.

One day, Oduduwa the usurper arrived from somewhere at Okun Yoruba or from the east of Ife and banished Obatala to the outskirt of the country, together with his Igbo followers. This was a paradise lost to Obatala and his courtiers like Obameri, Ogun and so on. But they were bent on staging a comeback and destroying the Oduduwa hegemony, using their masquerade that terrifies Ife as though they (the Igbos) were aliens from the sky that has attacked them.

Then Moremi, a beautiful woman and an indigene of Ofa offered to help the Ife uncover the ruse. She sacrificed her only son, Ela to the Esinmirin River, so her success can be guaranteed. And then she allowed herself to be taken captive by the Igbo as a bait during their next raid on Ife. At last, by her doing, Ife subdued the Igbo king who was betrayed by Moremi, and so the Oduduwa dynasty was preserved.

hayoholla:
obalufonlll
olu317
absolute success
macof
obalufon

dont you think at some point there was diffusion in yoruba history, I am starting to think yoruba is a the merging of two culture, one aboriginal and indigenous and the other foreign; which makes me think the aboriginal were kind of connected to the ibos or rightly put were a giant cluster until they split of at some point and the foreigner were the dominant group with little or no difference to the indigenous group, only that they have a superior culture that dominated the indeginous group both in language and way of life in general! I think they kind of reconnected back to the beginning where it all started.

mr olu317, this is for you sire. I read somewhere that the hyskos were infact the isrealite of old, that the various pharoahs that reigned in old egypt did not come from a single bloodline or race, that egypt itself has been invaded many times and many pharoahs of different ancestry and bloodlines has ruled there. the reason why I brought this up was because. you said somewhere in ur post that the early hebrew and the ethiopian nubian lived in egypt. the article also was of the opinion that the hyskos were driven out because of their domineering influence in culture and importantly, because of their numerical strenght. maybe they were driven eastward to present day yoruba nation. just a wide guess.

I am anticipating your contributions from you all. maybe we are "subtlely" agreeing on the same thing afterall!

absoluteSuccess:


While that seems a good theory to review, it is an open discourse with different perspectives to the history at hand. I for one believe that the Yoruba were the arrowhead of the migrants from the Levant to the the sub-sahara.

From this merchant migrants that came to the northern part of the country 3000 years ago, sprang the major tribes in the country and beyond. Isaiah gave a good hint what may be the earliest and the last correspondent to Nigeria in the 18th chapter. That's my simple submission.

Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago, hence my date. As to aborigine, the Yoruba ancestors were the landowners themselves, no more no less. Awon Alale. You know that we can't always bend Yoruba traditions to every English word basically because Yoruba language is not a product of colonialism.

Normal is normal, abnormal is ab-normal, likewise, aborigine or "ab-origin" is something without origin, Yoruba do not envisage her past as without origin, hence we do not have perfect match for that English word than "alainiran". This is contrary to Yoruba belief-system: our history is not subjected to European collegian ideals, "Omo ale nii fowo osi juwe ile baba re".

When you investigate the history of the Yoruba people, they venerate their ancestors as awon imole, people of the light, awon alale, the land owners, awon owa, the seekers, awon orin, the migrants, awon to teleyi do, the folks that step on the land and camp on it. These are all an irrefutable tradition.

Then since every town has its tale of origin, that nullify the aborigine adaptation for Yoruba history, not until we find a place without tradition of origin to recon with as probably "the original aborigine origin of the Yoruba". Until then the grammar "aborigine" can continue in the head of the 'elite' historians. They have their own history of the Yoruba too.

absoluteSuccess:


@the bolded, do you offer any fact with this post or ever have? kindly share the link.



You have isolated the above as your problem, hindering your quest for the knowledge you cherish so much, how were you able to penetrate and uncover the information that forms the base of your knowledge?

If you haven't done anything to absorb what you need over the years in spite of your claim to Isese, you are only a liar, someone pretending to be whom he is not. You have said it, your sentiment is not the same as historical fact.

What have you gotten from the secrecy and mysticism all this while that has historical value? Is it just your "isese religious sentimental fad" (of which nothing valuable from you ever comes into Yoruba history)? If it is just the noise about it, then its useless to your claim.



That's Frankenstein monster. You created a problem that is larger than you. Wisdom is profitable to direct. Anyone who wants to invent what will solve a problem create the solution, not a new problem to further confuse the one on ground. You never research, you are talking about what we "hear of Oduduwa", from which source did we hear of Oduduwa?

Get wisdom to understand Yoruba enigma first before you dabble into things greater than your mental capacity. Who told you Oduduwa created the earth? Tell us the source of your myth, don't feed us with your conclusions, let's make our own conclusions just like you, keep your grandiose delusion somewhere, you are a nobody, no oriki, nor link to any Yoruba town.


Who is this one hypnotizing? You did not have any fact but fusion, and it further confuse your student the the more. Then your ruse expose you as one not capable of teaching what he himself is still learning to understand without answers, but turning himself to an expert with guesswork instead of homework.

Never assume for your student, teach them what you know from established ground, not hypnotic confusion.



Don't reach conclusion in your confusion, do some homework, not guesswork. It might take you ten years, but you will get some firm ground. Its better late than hypnotizing.



This is hypnotizing, how can two divergent views be right? This is everything you know about the Yoruba history and origin, this is your frame and you are stuck here. You are in an ashale, (you can go and find out the meaning as you seems to have suddenly improve on your Yoruba language ever since I said you are using google to interpret Yoruba language) e sise si iko Yoruba yin, meaning, "you made mistake with your Yoruba interpretation".

Your backbone is that you don't know what you are saying, and you are putting us in your own confusion. But an intelligent person can read you and pre-empt the tale you are dying to tell by not telling it, so as not to be pinned down to it, and here is your con-fusion:



This is your perspective, but the clever and subtle you will never openly tell a story, lest anyone quote you and ask for details. You are at a cross with Ugbo/Igbo, but as one who uses double standard often, one older myth can inspire the new. You made your assumptions secret formula by which history unfold itself from the ebbs of time.

Everything you put up there are "cascades of assumptions". An acclaimed Isese/historian that cannot tell a simple, believable story...is that one an historian?


Kalakata lo na, kafabo s'odo adiye.

0balufonlll:


I am not an Obalufon descendant. Why is that difficult for you to grasp onetime?

I already posted the link that Obalufon posted many threads ago when I used the Iranje-Idita handle. You have shown inconsistency in your claims to Ife - you have claimed Giesi, you have falsely claimed Ajamaye was an old personage when it was just a recent phenomenon, now you have moved to Lafogido. I expect you to move to Ogbooru soon . We both know your claims to Ife royalty is false, your king doesn’t even come close to the Sarun. .

For anyone interested, here is the thread where this man was making shxt claims: https://www.nairaland.com/706150/yoruba-canaanite-narrated-muhammad-bello/8

I beg of you, please tell us who Luusi’s father was in Lafogido’s house. I am at Ile-Monle with elders in preparations for Olojo, abeg just speak up & embarrass yourself.

0balufonlll:


Firstly, you keep typing Yoruba with nonsense diacritic yet you want to claim knowledge of Hebrew, a foreign language.. And that nonsensical oriki you posted is an outright lie, go & take several seats.

Honestly, I do not think you hold a right state of mind. You seem not to keep a traack of your own statemets and have a problem grasping stated points.

- You claimed your Luusi was related to Giesi, I busted your lie.

- You tried to hold me in a loop by asking me to mention Oduduwa’s ancestry, I in turn asked you to mention Luusi’s ancestry.

- You quickly claimed Luusi was Lafogido’s child. I fxxked you up by letting you know I am thick with Lafogido’s people. You quickly backtracked & refused to mention Luusi’s parents.

You are the clown. You have now shifted your Luusi to Oranmiyan from Lafogido & Giesi. You crack me up man. Abeg post the oriki, humour me.

Alaimokan, you better stop dragging your ancestry in the mud with your ignorance.

Olu317:
obviously, you are the liar.

Like I said, I wont say who was the father of Luusi. So because I said Lafogido was seen as a father of Luusi, was it wrong ? Who was Lafogido's father? . Trust me, I am enjoying this because you have no respect for Ìsésé àtí áàsá . Èmí ómó ìré tí wón lè fí bó'rè. Go ask what it means

Beg Obalufon to say it to me to post it because he is humble enough to earn my endearing respect . Else I won't post it because I want you to remain ignorant forever. . Except he wants me to rubbish you. . Once he says go, I will post it because I want to silence your ignorance.

0balufonlll:



Which fxking Isese? If you enter Ife we will use you to bo ire nicely.

LMAO, this is comical. Stop asking stupid questions, tell us which of Lafogido’s sons was Luusi’s father as you have claimed. I dey wait.

So Obalufon is like your errand boy now? LOL. Do you even realize your Luusi’s anestry is not fit to buckle Obalufon’s ancestry’s shoes? Do you even know the position of that man’s backgrounds in Ife?

You are not rubbishing anybody, LOL. Everyone has rubbished you for your every post. You are the example of ignorant per excellence.

0balufonlll:



Which fxking Isese? If you enter Ife we will use you to bo ire nicely.

LMAO, this is comical. Stop asking stupid questions, tell us which of Lafogido’s sons was Luusi’s father as you have claimed. I dey wait.

So Obalufon is like your errand boy now? LOL. Do you even realize your Luusi’s anestry is not fit to buckle Obalufon’s ancestry’s shoes? Do you even know the position of that man’s backgrounds in Ife?

You are not rubbishing anybody, LOL. Everyone has rubbished you for your every post. You are the example of ignorant per excellence.

0balufonlll:



I’ll help you with your ancestry history so you can stop chasing a false connection to Ife:



See: https://oloolutof./2018/06/15/the-brief-history-of-ikare/

@Obalufon, as you can see, your friend Olu is a liar. That is his the history of his ancestors above, he has to links with Ife. He is again exposed as a fraud. Be mindful of your interactions with him. Are you going to be around for Olojo? We should visit your compound tomorrow or Saturday from my compound - you know the usual stuff.

Olu317:
Me from IKAARE? . You deserve this laugh. My ancestors were too strong like ORANMIYAN ,who was like his great grandfathers... Not enough! Give it more tries.

Once obalufon respond, I will post the oriki. But try to post your own ancestors too. After all, you claimed, you are whose descendants ? Post your ancestor family name online..... Every known family have their orikis properly documented in ILE IFE

Post it if you are heavy weight

In

0balufonlll:


You are not slick.
See the emboldened parts in the post.

Don’t deflect it to Ikare except you are retarded & unable to grasp what you read.

Olu317:
No time, just wait for obalufon to give me go ahead. Although, you have to post your family ancestors too because you claimed, you are relevant .


It's not by pride but by humility. We don't make noise because we stand by the truth and relevant.