Jayhazard:
The existence of charms and other supernatural powers, in a way proves the existence of God. These atheists know it, they do. The evidences are numerous, yet they also disagree with that because it supports God's existence. What is wrong with simply accepting this truth of God's existence? If you think it's all about your intellect, why doesn't everything work perfectly for you? Why can't you control all situations and become PERFECTLY satisfied with life?

there's no single evidence to that.

princfred:
If the spiritual became too rampant physically, it will no longer be spiritual. If the invisinble become too visible it will no longer be invisible, if the paranormal interfers soo much with normal, it will become the new normal and will create chaos , servitudinal paronia and underdevelopment in humans. You ask for chaos to to given order just to prove things that are not necesary to be proven. There is essence and purpose to the order as it is.There is more to emperical than emperical as is known.

Lots of words. Nothing actually said. No one will read this and take u seriously.

princfred:
NPcomplete, I have been watching some if your posts recently i may not be inclined or disposed to explain soo much but what i can say and you have to know is without doubt there us God, we are not alone and the human intelligience and the power of emperical assessment as you know it, is highly limited and not enough to grasp/judge things beyond it but one is not supposed to know that for his own good/balance (imagine your sense of judgement as a child yet then you probably tought you knew it all only fir you to griw and fund out you didnt know much then).

In due time you may know.

people are largely disbelieving this hoax by the day. In the next hundred years, the population will hardly believe in your God.

NPComplete:


Lots of words. Nothing actually said. No one will read this and take u seriously.

Yeah no one who is not meant to now. But those who know know and everyobe is not supposed to know now.

The gods did a bad job making too many know too much the wrong way too early that is what messed up Africa with religion.

nwabekeyi:
people are largely disbelieving this hoax by the day. In the next hundred years, the population will hardly believe in your God.

So that the population will fulfil the purpose and process as stated by....MY GOD as is written

nwabekeyi:
there's no single evidence to that.

Better put, you are not exposed to evident to that ...yet.

princfred:
So that the population will fulfil the purpose and process as stated by....MY GOD as is written

I really do not understand what you mean but for me, There's no proof to the inteferance of any supernatural being.
Everything can be explained and many people are accepting this reality.

NPComplete:


Nonsense.
I didn't think I knew it all when I was a child. No one ever did. So where did u get that nonsense idea from? As a matter of fact, children are even less confident about the things they know than adults. That's why they are so impressionable. What are u even talking about?

No one has argued that human intelligence is not limited here. As a matter of fact we actually argue it is. That is why we need evidence before believing anything. So far u are yet to say anything reasonable in this post.

It is voodoo believers selling snake oil that actually believe otherwise. You are the ones claiming u know things there isn't evidence for. Thereby claiming ur own intelligence is unlimited. And when we ask for evidence u start rambling like u did with this post.

Children are very confident about things they believe are true. You only know you were stupid as a child believing certain things now that you are an adult not then. Can you convince a child that a ghost wont carry him when alone in a dark room? Could you be convinced then how stupid you were to think so then?was your mind and exposure not limited against your believe then? Are they not still limited now? Can you believe against your limited exposure and mind now?

Again only time and exposure can teach you somethings if you want to learn. You also have fredom to not know even against reality depending on the limits of your exposure and mind.

princfred:
Better put, you are not exposed to evident to that ...yet.

no evidence, all I see are hoaxes from people who don't want their ideas questioned.

Proofs go through scrunity before been accepted. In your case, stories are not qualified to be called proofs

nwabekeyi:
I really do not understand what you mean but for me, There's no proof to the inteferance of any supernatural being.
Everything can be explained and many people are accepting this reality.

For you there is but limited exposure. Ofcourse there are normal emperical evidence for certain normal things hitherto, out of illiteracy, considered as paranormal that does not preclude that all things paranormal have normal emperical explanation.

nwabekeyi:
no evidence, all I see are hoaxes from people who don't want their ideas questioned.

Proofs go through scrunity before been accepted. In your case, stories are not qualified to be called proofs

All you see but not all there is. Even the half blind sees what he is exposed to not much of the entire picture. Everyone cant see all things otherwise the order will not have its essence manifest. We are coming from somewhere and heading to somewhere as is written and the given order has to bring that to happen.

princfred:
For you there is but limited exposure. Ofcourse there are normal emperical evidence for certain normal things hitherto, out of illiteracy, considered as paranormal that does not preclude that all things paranormal have normal emperical explanation.

you are hilarious and you simply do not know what evidences are.
Evidences and proofs are repeatable. If it works go you, it has to work for any other person. It mustn't be attached to a mystical clause.

If God heals you of your sicknesses and cannot heal numerous people in hospitals, then that can't be an evidence for his existence. It is called coincidence

princfred:
All you see but not all there is. Even the half blind sees what he is exposed to not much of the entire picture. Everyone cant see all things otherwise the order will not have its essence manifest. We are coming from somewhere and heading to somewhere as is written and the given order has to bring that to happen.

in science, we can never accept God until a falsifiable proof is provided. If we accept God without a proof, it will undermine the whole enterprise of science and sooner or later people will get dummier and start accrediting everything to this God without proper research and experimentation.

This is why we cannot accept it

nwabekeyi:
you are hilarious and you simply do not know what evidences are.
Evidences and proofs are repeatable. If it works go you, it has to work for any other person. It mustn't be attached to a mystical clause.

If God heals you of your sicknesses and cannot heal numerous people in hospitals, then that can't be an evidence for his existence. It is called coincidence

It is called non overt interference with the order to achieve a purpose. What do you think billions of humans will resort to if God did that. They'll become slackers. Purpose will the gone in humanity. The driving force of humanity lost just to prove to pawns? E.g if Christ has to cone die ahain abd resurect again just for you to have your evidence now then he has to keep doing same for each subsequebt generation to prove to your kind. That is not intelligent but may on the surface look so to you depending on your mind. The evidence is yours to find and realize not the powers to overtly destort order to prove to you and your kind. You are subject to the order not the other way.

princfred:
It is called non overt interference with the order to achieve a purpose. What do you think billions of humans will resort to if God did that. They'll become slackers. Purpose will the gone in humanity. The driving force of humanity lost just to prove to pawns? E.g if Christ has to cone die ahain abd resurect again just for you to have your evidence now then he has to keep doing same for each subsequebt generation to prove to your kind. That is not intelligent but may on the surface look so to you depending on your mind. The evidence is yours to find and realize not the powers to overtly destort order to prove to you and your kind. You are subject to the order not the other way.

billion resorted to God because they were scientifically primitive. No decent science savvy will accept God totally
He or she may become coy about it but deeply inside, they know God is hoax.

Scientific revolution is not even 200years old yet but it is giving religion a run for it's money. In due time, people will wake up and the indoctrination will reduce.

I am from a strong Christian background, but overtime I realised they were all lies.

nwabekeyi:
in science, we can never accept God until a falsifiable proof is provided. If we accept God without a proof, it will undermine the whole enterprise of science and sooner or later people will get dummier and start accrediting everything to this God without proper research and experimentation.

This is why we cannot accept it

What you accept or not is inconsequential to God but consequential to yourself. God will not destroy science for its essence to mankind by overt interfrence with the order. Through science you have a glimpse at God. God is larger than the rules of science so cannot be contained or confined within its emperical limits. Science is contained within God and seeks to learn and reveal the footprints of God as and when allowed by God for purpose not the other way.

nwabekeyi:
billion resorted to God because they were scientifically primitive. No decent science savvy will accept God totally
He or she may become coy about it but deeply inside, they know God is hoax.

Scientific revolution is not even 200years old yet but it is giving religion a run for it's money. In due time, people will wake up and the indoctrination will reduce.

I am from a strong Christian background, but overtime I realised it was all lies.

Even a child believes he knows a ghost will carry him based on his exposure and mind limits. More like overtime, your mind went blind like that of many. But its all part of the order; essence to achieve the purpose.

princfred:
What you accept or not is inconsequential to God but consequential to yourself. God will not destroy science for its essence to mankind by overt interfrence with the order. Through science you have a glimpse at God. God is larger than the rules of science so cannot be contained or confined within its emperical limits. Science is contained within God and seeks to learn and reveal the footprints of God as and when allowed by God for purpose not the other way.

lolz, God cannot destroy science because he doesn't exist.
Even if he can, then he will also destroy nairaland, your church keyboard and amplifiers, church monitors and projectors because they are all scientific inventions

princfred:
Even a child believes he knows a ghost will carry him based on his exposure and mind limits.

that's what his parent told him and what he has been learning from Nigerian movies.

nwabekeyi:
lolz, God cannot destroy science because he doesn't exist.
Even if he can, then he will also destroy nairaland, your church keyboard and amplifiers, church monitors and projectors because they are all scientific inventions

God will not destroy science because it serves the purpose, serves as outlet to reveal his footprints. God made science so men can marvel at his intelligience abd tap in, replicate to have drive and a certain worthwhile time on earth. What will he gain by destroying it. What will become of humanity without science for now? Once in a while, he interfers to show he is bigger than it but not enough for men to abandon science - his fooprint/signature as that is the pathway to appreciating his extra large intelligience, glory and beauty.

nwabekeyi:
that's what his parent told him and what he has been learning from Nigerian movies.

Not so necesarily but is like the advice from some blind scientist to not believe God?

NPComplete:


This guy too dey lie.
Which is it? Did they limit their operation or did they stop entirely? U were just making up that story up as u were writing it.

Those guys don't use jazz. They appeal to your greed. First they make u play someone who is very easy to beat for some small money and u will bet your money and win. They might make u do this twice or more. One of them will probably seemingly be on your side telling u about how that guy is a fool who has a lot of money but loses it during a bet and how u can make easy money playing him.

Then they raise the stakes and make u stake something more. The greed and the promise of an easy reward will make u stake something worth more than the meagre rewards you have gotten in the last few games combined. This can be your phone or anything valuable on u. At that moment u are no longer thinking. You are pumped up with adrenaline and the thought of making money u didn't even plan to make that day.

What u don't know is that that guy u just beat twice or thrice is the best tennis player in that area. He plays tennis for a living and he has mastered the board and the paddles u are using like the back of his hand. All of a sudden the table (pun intended) has turned around. That loser who loses all his money in bets is now suddenly nimble and displaying skills that u probably haven't seen in most tennis players. Then u realise u are in trouble. You just staked the most valuable thing on u and u are now losing the game. This apprehension hinders ur game further. It doesn't take long for u to start begging and asking for another try to win back what u just lost. And, if u are stupid, probably stake another valuable thing on u.

Don't ask me how I know all this. Let's just say I know some bad guys.

You are definitely cocky and not a good reader. Didn't I say I was there watching? None of all this crappy science drama you shat here happened. And besides, a stranger (mostly decent working class) may stop to answer questions but the probability of him playing tennis is 5%, excluding the fact that they don't play tennis. They can't stoop so low to begin wasting their time with low lifes.

Andrenaline ko, hormones ni.

princfred:
God will not destroy science because it serves the purpose, serves as outlet to reveal his footprints. God made science so men can marvel at his intelligience abd tap in, replicate to have drive and a certain worthwhile time on earth. What will he gain by destroying it. What will become of humanity without science for now? Once in a while, he interfers to show he is bigger than it but not enough for men to abandon science - his fooprint/signature as that is the pathway to appreciating his extra large intelligience, glory and beauty.

still we cannot accept his existence unless you go into the lab and prove it.

princfred:
Not so necesarily but is like the advice from some blind scientist to not believe God?

no ghost in reality, it's just a weak way of imagining things sir.

budaatum:
Frank317, when you said something about a lost brain or something similar, I was tempted to jump to defence and kick your ass to kingdom come. Please accept my apology for even thinking it!

Luvmi, Religion is not 'more relatable', nor does it deal 'with the everyday issues faced by Nigerians'! After morning prayer, everything you deal with has to do with science, from the house you woke up in, the alarm that woke you up, your transport to work, even the clothes you put on! Or when did any of these things come about because of religion?

The only reason religion is bigger than science is because it's easier for people to be stupid than use their brains! If Nigerians did more science, when they say "let there be light", someone would just turn a switch and there would be light! Instead, we dwell in religious darkness, continuously praying for light!

I'm going to assume you haven't done much science!

Another arrogant bullshit. You went on a rant on what science have done and created but refuse to see that religion provides explanation for they couldn't understand.

For instance, men once thought the sun revolves around the earth. Will you accuse men who believes that of being mental? You can't even accuse them of ignorance because their eyes is seeing the sun moving. From their perspective the sun was moving.

If science have not gone out of the Earth, none would have known that.

If you all are open-minded, you won't say black magic is bullshit. The first thing is to see things from their perspective.

Religions thrive because of your arrogance.

nwabekeyi:
everything is actually bullshit, they are mind games that has been transferred to this generation for time immemorial.

And it will continue until science can provide logical explanation to the things we are seeing.

luvmijeje:


And it will continue until science can provide logical explanation to the things we are seeing.

it will until you pick up books and educate yourself.

See when u carelessly make statements like this I tend not to take u serious. But let me break down ur words for u

princfred:
If the spiritual became too rampant physically, it will no longer be spiritual.

U see u deliberately did this. Whats 'becomes rampant physically " does that phrase even make sense? U guys just deceitfully throw in words just to talk long statements. Someone says he has seen where a person is touched and he starts responding to him, is that not a spiritual thing?(according to u guys). How does its repeated occurrence turned to "become rampant physically? How does the spiritual become rampant turns it to physical. Why are u dishonest?

If the invisinble become too visible it will no longer be invisible

Watch how u still played around with words here. If the invisible becomes visible. If an invisible man carries a book up, he he now becomes visible? So why make the statement when it's false and when no one is asking the invisible to become visible?
U guys are the ones saying u have witnessed the invisible, we are asking how? And why having more people witnessed it... We are not asking that it should change to visible.

if the paranormal interfers soo much with normal, it will become the new normal and will create chaos [quote]
And who is asking the paranormal to become normal. It will still be paranormal once we have no explanation for it... It is only paranormal because we don't understand it, once we understand it, it will become normal. More people witnessing it under does not make it normal.

[quote]
servitudinal paronia and underdevelopment in humans. You ask for chaos to given order just to prove things that are not necesary to be proven. There is essence and purpose to the order as it is.There is more to emperical than emperical as is known.

No one is asking for chaos. We just want people to stop telling lies and stop allowing their bias to continue getting the best of them

MrPRevailer:


You are definitely cocky and not a good reader. Didn't I say I was there watching? None of all this crappy science drama you shat here happened. And besides, a stranger (mostly decent working class) may stop to answer questions but the probability of him playing tennis is 5%, excluding the fact that they don't play tennis. They can't stoop so low to begin wasting their time with low lifes.

Andrenaline ko, hormones ni.

I just gave a more plausible explanation than what u gave. And I know this because I have been among those guys u mentioned. When I was younger I had older guys in the area that I look up to and they let me see how the grift was carried out. I bet u also think Houdini was a real magician. Lol.
You stated in your story that they called him to resolve a dispute. That's how they get u sucked in. This is exactly the modus operandi those my guys used to use. I won't be surprised if u and I probably have crossed paths before. Perhaps u were one of our victims. You are now so ashamed of ur stupidity that u now want believe it was a spiritual attack.
Sorry eh.

princfred:
Children are very confident about things they believe are true. You only know you were stupid as a child believing certain things now that you are an adult not then. Can you convince a child that a ghost wont carry him when alone in a dark room? Could you be convinced then how stupid you were to think so then?was your mind and exposure not limited against your believe then? Are they not still limited now? Can you believe against your limited exposure and mind now?

Again only time and exposure can teach you somethings if you want to learn. You also have fredom to not know even against reality depending on the limits of your exposure and mind.

First u claimed children believe they know it all. Now after I corrected u instead of u to accept correction, u decided to change the wording to "children are confident in things they believe are true". Very sneaky.
And yes u can convince children that no ghost will carry him in a dark room. Some children do sleep in dark rooms alone. You are just generalising to make a point that isn't there.
Time and exposure can teach me some things. But when I ask u with the time and exposure to expose me to what u have been exposed to by real evidence u start dancing galala up and down the thread.

Guy shift abeg.

luvmijeje:


Another arrogant bullshit. You went on a rant on what science have done and created but refuse to see that religion provides explanation for they couldn't understand.

For instance, men once thought the sun revolves around the earth. Will you accuse men who believes that of being mental? You can't even accuse them of ignorance because their eyes is seeing the sun moving. From their perspective the sun was moving.

If science have not gone out of the Earth, none would have known that.

If you all are open-minded, you won't say black magic is bullshit. The first thing is to see things from their perspective.

Religions thrive because of your arrogance.

Are you for real? Lol! Do we need to donate towards your school fees or something?

Tell me one thing that religion provides an explanation for?

luvmijeje:


And it will continue until science can provide logical explanation to the things we are seeing.

Really? Why not, 'until religion gives an explanation', I wonder!