Barristter07:


Good observation Mr Maximus .

I stopped taking the achorladey serious when he was asked, after making disciple , where will you direct them since Jesus said continue to teach them [ those who have become disciples ] as i have commaded you. Where will the teaching takes place ? As written at Hebrew 10:24,25, where do you gather for meeting . To my outmost surprise , here was the response



https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/254#75734720

When its clear that the meeting together is for those who had become disciples , going by the last statement at Heb 10:24_25 ' As we see the day is drawing near ' . He recommends a platform with pagans . at that point I knew Jehovah's spirit has left him

Barristter07:


Good observation Mr Maximus .

I stopped taking the achorladey serious when he was asked, after making disciple , where will you direct them since Jesus said continue to teach them [ those who have become disciples ] as i have commaded you. Where will the teaching takes place ? As written at Hebrew 10:24,25, where do you gather for meeting . To my outmost surprise , here was the response



https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/254#75734720

When its clear that the meeting together is for those who had become disciples , going by the last statement at Heb 10:24_25 ' As we see the day is drawing near ' . He recommends a platform with pagans . at that point I knew Jehovah's spirit has left him

Maximus69:
Your intense hatred for the truth is the problem! Well the Samaritan SAW the traveler that's why he could help him as a NEIGHBOUR. I can't SEE you so how am i supposed to relate with someone i can't SEE as my NEIGHBOUR
If you can't grasp it,the word NEIGHBOUR simply means the people we MEET anywhere,either in the streets or bus.
Brothers have many things in common which of course is obvious here that you and i disagreed on so many grounds. I've told you times without number that as a military officer i recognise the significance of a central unit of control and you wouldn't agree to that so you can never be my brother in faith!
The GB of JWs is the only authority that can unite me and anyone in faith now! When i came in,i threw the GB's order to everyone and immediately i can see JWs complying with the orders so i concluded they're like soldiers who recognises their central controlling unit.
If you won't agree with ALL the teachings of the GB of JWs which i'm ready to adhere strictly now,certainly you and i aren't on the same page!
You can say you recognise Jesus fine but in any government there must be a king~Jesus,co rulers~ anointed ones which the remnant is the GB and the subjects~ JWs globally.
You're opposed to this so you and i can never be brothers SPIRITUALLY speaking.
Muslims also read the Bible and has their own interpretation of those books in the Bible, the ONLY reason why they're not my brothers in faith is the CENTRAL UNIT OF CONTROL that they're opposing!
In any human society and family setting, any child that's opposed to the decision of the elders is no more seen as a bonafide child of that family but a BASTARD.
Please Mr Achorladey, i'm not interested in this your arguments and unending debates that's fruitless, you're neither my brother in faith nor my neighbour at least for now!

Janosky:


I.don't know if you consumed any substance that interfere with your thinking/ability to make sound judgement.
TATIME is NOT Barrister07.

achorladey:


Maximus69: Your intense hatred for the truth is the problem!

Achorladey: What is the truth? Why should I hate the truth?

John 18: 37-38.....“You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the TRUTH. Everyone on the side of TRUTH LISTENS to ME.”
“what IS TRUTH?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him.


Maximus69: Well the Samaritan SAW the traveler that's why he could help him as a NEIGHBOUR. I can't SEE you so how am i supposed to relate with someone i can't SEE as my NEIGHBOUR

Achorladey: Before it is the PERSON that LIVES NEXT to YOU that should be your NEIGHBOUR now it is the PERSON you SEE. I thought those that live NEXT to you CANNOT BE SEEN ni? later you will say the LOGIC is SIMPLE to GET yet your jumping from place to place in your UNDERSTANDING of the story about the good SAMARITAN.

Maximus69: If you can't grasp it,the word NEIGHBOUR simply means the people we MEET anywhere,either in the streets or bus.

Achorladey: And have I mentioned anything CONTRARY to the above that is difficult to GRASP?

Maximus69: Brothers have many things in common which of course is obvious here that you and I disagreed on so many grounds.

Achorladey: Since you know we have disagreement as BROTHERS in CHRIST based on some of the things recorded in the SCRIPTURES does that AUTOMATICALLY make us JUST FRIENDS or NEIGHBOURS? Should that prevent us from SANCTIFYING Christ as BROTHERS in CHRIST with our HEARTS?

Maximus69: I've told you times without number that as a military officer i recognise the significance of a central unit of control and you wouldn't agree to that so you can never be my brother in faith!

Achorladey: You and your MILITARY analogy, hahahahahaha. From here you agree that YOUR CENTRAL UNIT of CONTROL is the GB and its funny you Maximus69 admitted previously that the GB are not ONLY CAUTIOUS but AVOID wanting to become PRESUMPTUOUS in things relating to being the CENTRAL UNIT of CONTROL. Its your palaver.

Maximus69: The GB of JWs is the only authority that can unite me and anyone in faith now!

Achorladey: Its your palaver.

Maximus69: When i came in,i threw the GB's order to everyone and immediately i can see JWs complying with the orders so i concluded they're like soldiers who recognises their central controlling unit.

Achorladey: All of those you gave the order of the GB are still contributing and throwing JIBES on this same thread and according to the words of your BIBLE CONDUCTOR they are all HALF BAKED JWS. Its your conclusion as you corroborate the words of your BIBLE STUDY CONDUCTOR about them not MINE.

Maximus69: If you won't agree with ALL the teachings of the GB of JWs which i'm ready to adhere strictly now,certainly you and i aren't on the same page!

Achorladey: The words of the GB are not INSPIRED, they admitted that to be so. So my take on this to you is the account in 1 John 4:1...... beloved ones, do not believe every INSPIRED STATEMENT, but TEST the INSPIRED STATEMENTS to see whether they ORIGINATE with GOD, for many false prophet have gone out into the world.

Since the admonition is to TEST INSPIRED words, how much more the ONE not INSPIRED. It's yours to DECIDE!

Maximus69: You can say you recognise Jesus fine

Achorladey: Its a fine thing to do.

Maximus69: but in any government there must be a king~Jesus,co rulers~ anointed ones.

Achorladey: Good

Maximus69: which the remnant is the GB and the subjects~ JWs globally.

Achorladey: the above cannot be SUPPORTED scripturally and the reason I detached the statement from the other part.

Maximus69: You're opposed to this so you and i can never be brothers SPIRITUALLY speaking.

Achorladey: Yes I am opposed to it because it cannot be supported scripturally and not accepting is still not a barrier to see you as CHRISTIAN.

Maximus69: Muslims also read the Bible and has their own interpretation of those books in the Bible, the ONLY reason why they're not my brothers in FAITH is the CENTRAL UNIT OF CONTROL that they're opposing!

Achorladey: the key word here is FAITH and I love it. Your CENTRAL UNIT OF CONTROL have reverted BACK to JESUS CHRIST in this case. It's your palaver and analogy.

Maximus69: In any human society and family setting, any child that's opposed to the decision of the elders is no more seen as a bonafide child of that family but a BASTARD.

Achorladey: The above can only be according to (Maximus69, 2019). Is the prodigal son in Jesus parable a BASTARD? Take a look at what happened to Gideon concerning your statement above, any difference or similarities. No matter how PIKIN wicked reach we no fit give am or pursue am reach GO GIVE LION CHOP.

Maximus69: Please Mr Achorladey, i'm not interested in this your arguments and unending debates that's FRUITLESS, you're neither my brother in faith nor my neighbour at least for now!

Achorladey: Its funny you say it's FRUITLESS and you get LIKES for some of your RESPONSE to my post, e get as e be oooooo. I don't see it as ARGUMENT and DEBATES, its all DISCUSSION and one way or the other those following must have gleaned something.

Concerning this......(you're neither my brother in faith nor my neighbour at least for now!). Its yours from the start to decide. I have made my conclusion on that long before now.

Barristter07:
To you Brocab: If Hades is not hell, Why did KJV translate Hades as Hell at Revelation 20:14 ? . Either Brocab or KJV is a Liar.

Barristter07:

Mr Brocab . adding onions and pepper to deliver himself from a small question .

Your entire post Rest on one single statement Hades is NOT hell ' @ highlighted. If this assumption is proved false , That puts your entire post into Question. And an OUTRIGHT LIE.



To you Brocab: If Hades is not hell, Why did KJV translate Hades as Hell at Revelation 20:14 ? . Either Brocab or KJV is a Liar.

Janosky:


I.don't know if you consumed any substance that interfere with your thinking/ability to make sound judgement.
TATIME is NOT Barrister07.

Barristter07:


Here is the question to determine if You are not an enemy of Christ.

1. Which part of a man is the Real person - his ordinary body OR soul/Spirit ?

2. Concerning Jesus - Which died, His Ordinary body or Soul/Spirit ?

Don't be scared, just attempt

Scholar8200:


But their name subtly contradicts their claim (and by extension, their version of the bible)

I quote entirely from their New World translation:
But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in Jerusalem,+ in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a,+ and to the most distant part* of the earth.” Acts 1:8 (NWT)

Who said the highlighted? The Lord Jesus Christ. I am glad He didnt (neither did their translation)say,"you will be witnesses of Jehovah".
Now if Jesus Christ gave that command and they say are Jehovah's Witnesses, will it be illogical to say that they agree that, as Jesus revealed , "I and My Father are One" John 10:31!!! Hence people who purport to carry out Jesus'command in that verse name themselves Jehovah's (instead of Jesus') witness.

OLAADEGBU:


I will answer your questions the moment you either confirm or deny that you are TATIME.

brocab:


Are they not all the same?

OLAADEGBU:


They all have that antichrist spirit.

brocab:
By their fruit we know them!

Maximus69:
Well this is the first time your quotation truthfully convey the meaning that's really touching.
Jesus said that, and JWs are truthfully producing some sort of fruit that's undeniably obvious to all!

Maximus69:
Hi Five!

Maximus69:
By their fruit!
Hmmm, that's a thoughtful one there Sir, i which that fruit is just as repulsive and obsolete to quantify the JWs,people all across the globe can SEE the type of fruit that has been produced by JWs!
By their fruit! Well this is the first time your quotation truthfully convey the meaning that's really touching.
Jesus said that, and JWs are truthfully producing some sort of fruit that's undeniably obvious to all!
So Jehovah's Witnesses has successfully produced some notable fruits because they're well organised and always efficient with their own religious activities.
How i wish to say that about those also claiming Christians but aren't recognisable in any way as they're NONE DENOMINATIONAL,therefore they can always go unnoticed by any notable fruit just as Jesus' followers were recognised and labelled Christians in Anthioc! Act 11:26

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm intelligence really matters!
So that's exactly what he's been doing,who knows if he is that same "johnw47" because i knew many deeperlife members and the way they get angered easily when they're mocked unlike JWs that will jokingly walk away! Whenever they're filled with rage,they can curse a lot!
I was a Muslim before i joined JWs,it's their calmness and respectful approach that melted my former rocky heart against whatever the Bible has to say! Deeperlife can never succeed in that area because their mindset of viewing people burning inside hellfire being tormented forever has killed the natural affection in them!

brocab:

So if we are going to be picky about words, then allow me to start by correcting your false remark against which bible I use, or myself-it is not Brocab nor is it the KJV that is lying, but Barristter07 is again caught in the act lying to the public! {Revelation 20:14-KJV {And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. It didn't say Hades..
Try this bible 'GNT Then death and the world of the dead were thrown into the lake of fire.
NWT And death and the Grave* were hurled into the lake of fire.
The JW's believe there is no hell as a place for eternal torment and suffering. Instead they say that hell is only the grave.

However, they base their belief on a few verses where the words Sheol and Hades were translated as grave or pit.
The problem with this is that the references that are used deny the context of what is being presented. When you look at the context you find many problems with translating Sheol and Hades as a grave, which is normally the Hebrew word qeber.
There are many graves, but only one Sheol or Hades. Man can put someone in the grave (qeber), but never puts anyone in Sheol or Hades
{1 Kings 13:29-30}
Man can touch a grave (qeber), but does not touch Sheol or Hades {Numbers 19:16} Someone can have their own grave (qeber), but the Bible never speaks of each person having their own Sheol, or Hades! {2 Samuel 3:32}
Please explain, why the Watchtower calls Hell a grave?
The different terms used in the Bible for heaven and hell—sheol, hades, gehenna, the lake of fire, paradise, and Abraham’s bosom—are the subject of much debate and can be confusing, for those outside the square!
The word paradise is used as a synonym for heaven {2 Corinthians 12:3–4. Revelation 2:7} When Jesus was dying on the cross and one of the thieves being crucified with Him asked Him for mercy, Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise” {Luke 23:43}
In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/spirits.”
The New Testament Greek equivalent to sheol is hades, which is also a general reference to “the place of the dead.” The Greek word gehenna is used in the New Testament for “hell” and is derived from the Hebrew word hinnom.
Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicated that sheol/hades is a temporary place where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection.
The souls of the righteous, at death, go directly into the presence of God—the part of sheol called “heaven,” “paradise,” or “Abraham’s bosom” {Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23}

OLAADEGBU:


I will answer your questions the moment you either confirm or deny that you are TATIME.

brocab
That is, after securing their salvation on the cross, Jesus brought Abraham, David, Joshua, Daniel, Moses, the beggar Lazarus, the thief on the cross, and everyone else who had previously been justified by faith, and led them from Hades to their new spiritual home.

Barristter07:


You are not intelligent @highlighted, Not an insult because am going to prove to you why

The Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek and translated to ENGLISH
My question says : Why did KJV translated Hades as Hell at Rev 20;14 ? To counter your FALSE. Postulation that ' Hades is not hell '

Emphasis on " translated " : the Greek word translated Hell at Revelation 20:14 KJV is Hades , Yes or No ? Does KJB rendering Hades as " Hell " not contradict your earlier claim .

Now we see the Liar



Your analysis is dead on arrival!


Even the KJV rendered Hades as " Grave"

" O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? " 1Cor 15:55 .

Why did KJV translate Greek Hades to English Grave ?

Am not sure you know anything about the subject you dived into.

brocab:


{Philippians 2:3} Don’t Let Pride Be Your Guide “Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves.” Allow me to continual-and lets bring you back down to level 01.
{Luke 12:15} Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”
{1 Corinthians 6:10} nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
In other words don't take all the glory-where it doesn't rightfully belong to you in the first place..
{Matthew 2:5} All their deeds are done for men to see..
{Romans 13:9} For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
{Matthew 15:17-19} Don’t you know that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and then is expelled as waste?
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and it is those things that make a person unclean. It is out of the heart that evil thoughts come, as well as murder, adultery, sexual immorality, stealing, false testimony, and slander.

Janosky:

brocab no.dey.understand
shishi.

Barristter07:
Regarding if Moses and David are born again , you replied :



Hehehehe from Hades , You mean from Hell or from Grave ? So they went to hell ? In Grave ?

Barristter07:
Brocab : Hades IS NOT Hell

KJV : Hades is Hell , can't u see I translated hades as hell ?

Brocab vs KJV

You are a crooked liar Mr Brocab.

===

KJV even went ahead to say Hades is Grave as well. Which means Hell is grave, both are translated from the same basic word " Hades ".

With this explanation falling apart, we can return to the born again epistle and expose you the more

johnw47:


lying false jw Tatime

your paranoia and those kinds of fears isn't from God

but it is from your god:


Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
The born again issue has proved everything.
¤Flesh and blood can't inherit the Kingdom of God~my understanding here is that we can't go to heaven with this physical body.
¤Born of water and spirit~my understanding here is that for anybody to get a pass for heavenly life,they needed to be baptised twice by water and by spirit.
What i'm not getting here now 'why should Jesus[in spirit] go against himself by taking those who never got baptised at all to a new place yet he[Jesus] said for anybody to go to heaven they must be born again[baptised both by water and spirit] whereas neither Moses, David, Abraham, Daniel and the THIEF ever got baptised at all!
Perhaps they'll resort to their normal terms MYSTERY because each time they're caught in their own net of confusion that's where they'll land!
You know a so called Pastor in my neighbourhood also tried to stop me from studying the Bible with JWs but after asking him many mind awakening questions he wanted to hide behind the MYSTERY wall. Then i asked him 'i know MYSTERY means something that is not explanatory, so if it is mystery to you,then what are you doing here? are you here just to disturb me with what you yourself can't explain? Since then he only responds to my greetings,that's if i sight him to greet if not he'll just frown his face and walk away!

TATIME:

OK they've also come to you with their spiritual blindness device called MYSTERY?
Well that's where they often end up when there is no more fuel in their engine, they claim born again but God's word is a MYSTERY to them yet they want to teach others what they can't comprehend!
Maximus, Jesus has revealed their secret in the book of Revelation 17:5
So they're confused that's why after they've been skinned, bruised, humiliated, robbed, and frustrated by the greed of their so called daddy G.Os,they are claiming NONE DENOMINATIONAL. It's just another way of consoling themselves after discovering their spiritual condition as sheep without a shepherd. 2Thessalonians 2:7
That's why they're all angrily forming alliance against JWs whose organization stands unshakable!
Jesus foretold that they will tell the mountains[false religions] to cover their shame as everyone can see that they're fugitives,this means they will be hiding their identity because their works are evil. Can't you see they all failed to identify the religion to which they belong? Unlike JWs who are confident to say "I am one of JWs" Isaiah 2:1-4
Please prayerfully read and meditate thoroughly the Bible book of Luke 23:30 compared to Revelations 6:16

Maximus69:
The born again issue has proved everything.
¤Flesh and blood can't inherit the Kingdom of God~my understanding here is that we can't go to heaven with this physical body.
¤Born of water and spirit~my understanding here is that for anybody to get a pass for heavenly life,they needed to be baptised twice by water and by spirit.
What i'm not getting here now 'why should Jesus[in spirit] go against himself by taking those who never got baptised at all to a new place yet he[Jesus] said for anybody to go to heaven they must be born again[baptised both by water and spirit] whereas neither Moses, David, Abraham, Daniel and the THIEF ever got baptised at all!

Perhaps they'll resort to their normal terms MYSTERY because each time they're caught in their own net of confusion that's where they'll land!
You know a so called Pastor in my neighbourhood also tried to stop me from studying the Bible with JWs but after asking him many mind awakening questions he wanted to hide behind the MYSTERY wall. Then i asked him 'i know MYSTERY means something that is not explanatory, so if it is mystery to you,then what are you doing here? are you here just to disturb me with what you yourself can't explain? Since then he only responds to my greetings,that's if i sight him to greet if not he'll just frown his face and walk away!

TATIME:
John 8:44 as usual, it's like your head is stick to John 8:44 when your heart is far away from the real understanding of it.
Perhaps because you were given the name John by your parents.
Abeg uncle your mind dey far far far away from wetin John write for that place!

Barristter07:


It is ROBOTIC ! . so robotic that he can't give an intelligent response to any question you asked him.

Barristter07:

Logical!



Beautiful! He frowns because you have exposed his ignorance , a so - called pastor