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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 3:01pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 3:07pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
TATIME:Jesus also said, do not think i have come to bring peace to the earth but the sword, father against son, mother against daughter, a man's enemy shall be members of his house hold. The church did create a worldwide family but it also fulfilled scripture. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 3:16pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Ubenedictus:So the same text 'Hades' has different meanings based on the judgment of the Council of Nicaea! So all the Bible texts where Hades is mentioned could be fine-tuned to mean different things because of Jesus' illustrations of Lazarus and the rich man! Please you need to open a theology school! 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 3:22pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Ubenedictus:YES Jesus said that! So you meant He was a confusionist, not a Prince of Peace! If his followers can't become a global family then what did he mean by the word UNION at John 13:35, 17:23? And what did Paul mean by oneness at 1Corinthians 1:10,Philippians 2:2? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 3:31pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
TATIME:Now you are purposely playing dumb. 1 cor 3:15 shows us how God saves the imperfect believer...it is that process that is name purgatory. Hades has more than one meaning in greek, thayers lexicon clearly shows that, if you didnt know that then you are the jjc. hades can mean the repose disembodied spirits, a dark place and Jesus says the punishment of d wicked happens there. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 3:39pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Ubenedictus:I'm surprised that you mentioned JWs and relating the group with confusion! Because JWs have succeeded in making a global family of worshipers where Catholicism failed woefully! During the conflict between Hutus and Tutsis in East African where majority of are Catholics, there was nothing your Vatican could do to stop Catholics from KILLING Catholics, whereas during the same time Jehovah's Witnesses from these two rival tribes have remained brothers and sisters! During the Apartheid in South Africa, Catholics discriminates due to skin colours and your Vatican was helpless on the matter, it was the Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses that put all the religions in South Africa to shame,when blacks and whites sat shoulder to shoulder! JWs have penetrated the deadliest stronghold of racists and made former enemies brothers and sisters! Isaiah 2:2-4 Sorry you need to tender a sincere apology to your own conscience,that is if you have a trained,working conscience at all! 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 3:48pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
TATIME:Then maybe u are new to christianity, Christ's followers have been united for 2000 yrs but every age a new group comes out with a new heresy, just like the arian heresy the jw believe, or a new group comes with a political intrigue, that not withstanding the church har maintained one faith in one Lord. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 3:53pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Ubenedictus:You can lie o! Just because you want to defend the heresy of Catholicism you're saying the same text could be rendered to mean totally contradicting states! Even claiming that humans have DISEMBODIED spirits! Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 ,9:6-10 So where is the so call DISEMBODIED Adam now? Which of the three Hades is Adam and Eve presently? Because God told Adam 'from dust you're and you will return to dust' all other Bible texts afterwards correlates with that divine judgment until Jesus came teaching people by means of PARABLES! Matthew 13:10-15 |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 3:56pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Ubenedictus:You love lies Sir! Because Mr Olaadegbu[the owner of this thread] will never agree that Catholics are practicing Christianity! So why are you lying that you all have maintained one faith? 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 4:15pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
My dear google is ur friend, google catholic defiance of apathied in south africa and then you will see that jw did nothing. It was the catholic church that educated black and white kids together against the law, it was the catholic church that went in civil disobedience against unjust apathied laws, it was owen cardinal mccain who was busy writting against the apathied goverment. the church that support that rubbish was d dutch church. Rwanda was an ethnic crisis that became a genocide and while many catholic were involved, several catholics also hid the tutsi saved them, and helped them excaped, many catholics were killed by the militia for helping. But of course u are only interested in those who let ethnic sentiments rule them. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 4:21pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Maximus69:this is why i hate discussing with arrogantly ignorant people. You think greek is english abi? oya google thayers greek lexicon and check for hades, then u can come and talk about its different meanings. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 4:26pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Maximus69:OF course ola's sect, is one of those that broke from the church because of another heresy. It just happens that his heresy isnt a denial of the nature of Jesus like the arianism of the jw. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 4:31pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Maximus69:So u dont know that humans have disembodied spirit? the bible clearly says that d dust returns to the dust while the spirit returns to God that gave it and paul tell us it will be judged for after death comes judgement and for the believer to die is gain |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 4:54pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Ubenedictus:Hmmm So what is happening to Adam's spirit now? After all you can deduce the condition of those inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah since Jesus mentioned them in Parables,but Adam was the first and foremost sinner! So where is the spirit of Adam? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 5:13pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Ubenedictus:Sir it is not about arrogance,but it is telling me black is red when i can SEE the colours clearly! God told Adam 'you will die' Satan told him 'you will not die' Certainly if any part of Adam [created from dust as in nonexistence] survives afterwards, then one person between God and Satan is a liar! John 8:44 Moreover Adam is the first sinner,every other person today inherited sin from Adam. Which means Adam's sin is greater than any other committed on this earth! So we need to know where he is now,if his IMPERFECT progenies that followed his footsteps could be tormented forever simply for the same offense SIN! You said Olaadegbu belongs to a sect that tears down the body of Christ,yet you're still claiming both of you are one! 1Corinthians 12:25 Ephesians 4:25 2John 9,10 3John 10,11 So if Olaadegbu's sect remains in union with your lord what grievous offense is that of the Antichrist? |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:27pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
Today two Jehovah's Witnesses came to our door. If you don't know how to share the gospel with JW's, let me tell you what I do. I say, "There's a knife in my back. I have three minutes to live. How can I enter the Kingdom?" I asked that today, and they couldn't help me. The biblical answer is to simply trust alone in Jesus--that everlasting life is the gift of God (see Ephesians 2:8-9). But JW's are a "works righteousness" religion (as are all religions outside of biblical Christianity). They think that they have to DO something to earn their way into the Kingdom. They believe that, because (like most religious people) they haven't seen their sin in its true light. For that they need the moral Law (the Ten Commandments). Think of the thief on the cross. He said that he was justly being crucified. I don't think that he was saying that Roman law was fair and just—capital punishment for theft! I think he was pointing to God's Law rather than man's. He was justly dying because he had sinned against God. It was in that hopeless condition that he turned to Jesus and said, "Lord, remember me when you come into your Kingdom." He couldn't DO anything because his hands were nailed by the law to the cross. He couldn't go anywhere, because his feet were nailed by the law to the cross. Neither can we do anything or go anywhere to be saved, because we too have been nailed by the Law of God as guilty, deserving death and Hell. All we can do is turn to Jesus and trust in the mercy of God. We in essence say, "Lord! remember me." And He will. www.NoahTheMovie.com Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 1 April 2014 at 05:00 · 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 7:51pm On Apr 01, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Lies and baseless claims. if Mr Ray was stabbed with a knife,that liar go fit open him mouth to yarn trash? U and the man are liars. You wey prefer crocodiles to come to your door than JWs to knock on your door,you dey post lies and trash. Sofri sofri dey blow this lie. Where did JWs tell you that belief in ten commandments is the yardstick for salvation? JWs don't force anyone to listen or accept the message of God's kingdom. 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:41am On Apr 02, 2019 |
Maximus69:Jesus said: Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.”It's always the same old story-we come out from among them, and still we face persecution's by them.. Maximus69:I would be worried-if Russell's story-knew the scriptures in the first place-if he had any sort of relationship with God, then he wouldn't have tried to turned the Word of God further away from the truth. ''The problem was, Russell believed he was God's only true servant-that's a false sign in itself, Russell tried to seek God' through Russell's own glory!! Maximus69:If you really knew what you were talking about-we wouldn't be having this conversation. 'you would know Christ, visa versa-and your studies is really a waste of time-guessing the scriptures doesn't mean you know Jesus in the bible, no more then an atheist who thinks he know's it all.. Maximus69: 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 2:13am On Apr 02, 2019 |
Janosky:While in the mean time-The JW's can't force us physically, but mentally their actions hate us because we refuse their message. Janosky: 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 2:44am On Apr 02, 2019 |
Since you find this so hard to pick up your bible to learn these simple tacks-allow me to help support your laziness by refusing to know the scriptures!! {Genesis 2:7} Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. {1 Corinthians 2:11} God gives human beings a spirit that, not conscious of itself, works in concert with the human brain to form the human mind, giving us the ability to understand language, writing, math, and the like. Paul explains: “For what man knows the things of a man except [by] the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except [by] the Spirit of God” {Ecclesiastes 12:7} To answer the question, we can turn to the book of Ecclesiastes. Solomon wrote that when we die, “the spirit will return to God who gave it” So at death, one’s spirit returns to God, while the body on earth decays or is destroyed. {James 2:26} "The body without the spirit is dead." {Job 27:3}"The spirit of God is in my nostrils." {1 Corinthians 15:47} The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. Maximus69: 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:39am On Apr 02, 2019 |
brocab:Please stop this childish huloballoo and go straight to the point if you want to answer the question is 'Where is Adam PRESENTLY?' 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by rottennaija(m): 9:12am On Apr 02, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: Try the suggestions on this pages, doctrine rarely works with Jws, as they believe they have a better understanding of the Bible. Which also mean to them that if you do not agree with their understanding, you lack humility https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/watchtower-scandal.php https://jwinform.com/2016/02/02/a-question-that-works-with-jehovahs-witnesses/ https://jwinform.com/2017/07/18/why-cant-i-reach-a-jehovahs-witness/ |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:04am On Apr 02, 2019 |
rottennaija: Rotten apostate and him rebellious "sons of korah " (Numbers16:1-35) , your excommunication from JWs was actually good riddance to rotten rubbish. JWs don't care a bit about your online trash of lies and falsehood to malign Jehovah God and his servants. Wetin you be if not atheist (Ps14:1.Rom3:13-17) or "return to your vomit and wallow in it"? Slaves claiming independence & promising freedom wey they no get. (2Peter2:14-22). 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:11am On Apr 02, 2019 |
Ubenedictus: The wayo of the Bible translator, Erasmus is the "truth" of the Catholic church . 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by rottennaija(m): 10:41am On Apr 02, 2019 |
Janosky:There is a popular saying, "rebellion to a tyrant is obedience to God". They was a man named Saul in the Bible. He persecuted the disciples of Jesus, thrown many into prison, killed some. He did those because he believed in his course and was doing it for God. He later became the man known as apostle Paul. When I represented watchtower, preach their message, defended their teachings, I believed I did so for God, irrespective of how at variants and deviated it was from the Bible. I believe I had more energy than you while defending those teachings and believes. My prayer is, someday, just like Paul (formerly Saul), you will be standing strong, firm defending the very teachings of christ while many will accuse you of apostasy. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:46am On Apr 02, 2019 |
Janosky:Oh i remember Erasmus, he was the german translator and priest who mistakenly translated Yahweh as Jehowah and it is that same mistake jws are using till today. as long as jw continue to us jehovah they are actually following erasmus mistake. sorry. |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 11:09am On Apr 02, 2019 |
Ubenedictus: I mean the pressure the Church placed on him to alter the 3rd edition of his Bible translation to suit Catholic belief in the Trinity even it was not in concord with the manuscript text. If today you are not calling Christ by his actual Hebrew name (Yehoshua) but rely on the English variant of his Greek name (Iesous), you are guilty of double standard and hypocrisy to have labeled the name 'Jehovah' as "mistake" 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Ubenedictus(m): 11:21am On Apr 02, 2019 |
Janosky:Actually jehovah is not an english variant, erasmus manufactured the name by mixing the vowels of adonai to the consonants of the tetragram, at least we can trace the variants of Jesus' name from hebrew and aramaic to greek, then to the latin Iesus and then to english. nobody mixed different names together and manufactured a new one! It will be beautiful if u can provide d letter from d church to Erasmus forcing him, let us see if it was not the case that erasmus was using a different and unpopular manuscript |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 2:07pm On Apr 02, 2019 |
It would make life a little easier if you try reading your bible--Adam is with God in Spirit! {Genesis 2:7} And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. {Genesis 3:19}God said to Adam, "By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, because from it you were taken. For you are dust and to dust you shall return" {Ecclesiastes 12:7} “Our bodies will return to the dust of the earth, and the breath of life will go back to God, who gave it to us.” When God receives His spirit back, our bodies return to the dust of the earth. Maximus69: |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 2:38pm On Apr 02, 2019 |
brocab:OK Adam later joined God [in the spirit] after his spiritual death on earth! So between God and Satan,who is the liar now? Because God told Adam 'you will die', you and your folks have argued tirelessly that it was a spiritual death because God has cut Adam off. Now that Adam is dead physically,God has accepted his spirit to be with God in heaven abi? Abeg when Bible students are talking just keep quiet,listen and learn! 2 Likes |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by achorladey: 9:41pm On Apr 02, 2019 |
Janosky: Jude 9 But when Miʹcha·el the archangel (One of his SONS so to speak/post being Janosky) had a difference with the Devil (one of its SONS so to speak/post being rottennaija) and was disputing about Moses’ body, he (Michael) did not dare to bring a judgment against him( DEVIL) in ABUSIVE TERMS, but said: “May JEHOVAH REBUKE YOU.” Oga Janosky tone down small, HABA even your response to rottennaija's post is a strong support to HIS argument. You have not attended to any of his post, rather you turned everything into ROTTEN APOSTATES and REBELLIOUS SONS of KORAH. Even JESUS when he had an encounter with SATAN the FOREMOST APOSTATES as it WERE, Jesus didn't Just RAIN ABUSES on SATAN and LABEL him ROTTEN APOSTATES or REBELLIOUS SONS of JEHOVAH. Rather Jesus responded in a way that you yourself is proud of. Anyone who had taken his time to read those cited website and there corresponding pages will see how well you CONFIRM the FEARS of JWS on so many things rottennaija highlighted and CITED. Other Christian denominations and non denominated Christians give you free REIGN over responding to their DOCTRINES and BELIEFS even up till the extent of taking their time to equally respond to many rebuttals towards their beliefs, but here you are JUST a mention of ONE of MANY of the BELIEVES of JWS. You RAIN down ABUSE. A look at a statement of yours captured below..... Janosky: JWs DON'T CARE a bit about your ONLINE TRASH of LIES and FALSEHOOD to malign JEHOVAH God and his SERVANTS. Achorladey: You have not only MALIGNED the God you serve, you have equally SHOWN that what rottennaija highlighted in what you CALLED LIES are not lies or TRASH as it were as they hit you hard therefore the outcome of your response shows you REALLY CARE. The greatest enemy of the TRUTH is not the FALSEHOOD, in fact FALSEHOOD knows very well that in the field of COMBAT against the TRUTH, it stands no chance, that's why the FALSEHOOD always fight with its favourite WEAPON- AUTHORITY. As it were it's your AUTHORITY( the GOVERNING BODY) that determines who is an APOSTATE and who is not, for example, you will readily eat, play, recreate with any of the members of other CHRISTIAN denominations whom your AUTHORITY TAGGED and TERM being in an APOSTATE RELIGION and TEACHES APOSTATES DOCTRINES in fact you will readily talk and preach to them freely but when it comes to a former member of JWS who had left the ORGANIZATION, the word APOSTATES and APOSTASY takes a different and added MEANING. E get as e be, one will wonder what was God and Christ doing with the PHARISEES and SADDUCES and other religious leaders of the ISRAELITES who are confirmed members of God's " "ORGANIZATION" (so to say)back then but are RENOWNED APOSTATES as it were? rottennaija turning his attention and activities away from the religion of JWS is not an indicator that he has ABANDONED God. His salvation is not dependent on being a JWS though. He stands or fall at the beckon of his MASTER and you know WHO that his. Romans 3:13-17 Their throat is an open grave; they have deceived with their tongues.” “Venom of asps is behind their lips.” 14 “And their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood.” 16 “Ruin and misery are in their ways, 17 and they have not known the way of peace.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Can you equally apply this scripture you cited to yourself from the post of yours above. You wouldn't want to get an analysis of this scriptures cited below as it applies to you and the Leaders of the ORGANIZATION you are a member of. 2 Peter 2: 12-14 But these men, like unreasoning animals that act on instinct and are born to be caught and destroyed, speak abusively about things of which they are ignorant. They will suffer destruction brought on by their own destructive course, 13 suffering harm as their reward for their own harmful course.They consider it pleasurable to indulge in luxurious living, even in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes who revel in their deceptive teachings while feasting together with you. 14 Their eyes are full of adultery and are unable to desist from sin, and they entice unstable ones. They have a heart trained in greed. They are accursed children. 1 Like |
Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by rottennaija(m): 10:28pm On Apr 02, 2019 |
achorladey: Thanks. I don't have any interest in responding in kind to him through verbal abuse, insult, name calling etc. Otherwise, I wouldn't be any different from him. Thanks ones again. Someday, he will understand that we are not the enemy. |
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