Thank you guys for the encouragement. I have made it a kind of purpose to help as many africans as I can to change their fate for good. Only in this manner can our countries and continent truly emerge.

After the theory (which is soon coming to an end) I will now move to the practical aspects with some exercices for people that shall be willing.

stupidity:
asin!!! It has blinded my sight sef.


Una go just dey confuse people.

Finished all your write up and now my mind is traveling places.

Bro I am not sure to understand you. Do you mean I confuse you with what I write? Feel free to ask questions.

Afromentalist:
Let's take the example of someone who plays call of duty. Let's also assume that the character he controls is self conscious and has his own will.

While the aim of the character maybe to find intelligence objects, the aim of the human player holding the controller maybe to finish the game as quick as possible.

Now these two objectives can be contradictory in nature. While finding intelligence objects requires to somehow search slowly the place around, it can be perceived as a waste of time.

In this situation the character will find itself frustrated because while he wants to look for intelligence objects, he barely can't find any because a powerful force (in this case, the real player holding the controller) obliges him to play as quick as possible.

Now replace the character in the game by you the human person, and the player holding the controller by the unconscious mind (also called atman or spirit or higher self or the unconscious etc. Depending on the discipline). You now understand why and how whatever you want to do is frustrated by a force that seems to be higher than you.

This my friend is what Luck /grace and it's opposite curse / bad luck entails. It is simply the clash between the conscious mind objectives and those of the unconscious mind.

Now imagine there could be a communication channel between the two: the character of the game and the player of the game. What would now happen? Both will synchronize their objectives and that will be the end of frustration. This is exactly what I am willing to explain to you

Ride on.. You have my attention

We want to conclude this theoretical part with real life case studies, before we move into practice. The idea is to let you see tangible example of what we have been trying to explain about the Deprogramming - Reprogramming - Reboot (and safe mode).

The Life of Ben carson Jr.

These days, almost everyone knows Ben carson and his story. It is the story of that child from a single parent home that go all the way to become the greatest Neurochirurgian of his time, and arguably ever. He has now become US secretary of Housing and Urban development (equivalent of Minister in the US) and remained so since 2017.

How was this miraculous turn around was possible. Let us break it down for people who do not know the full details of the Story. Ben carson was the worst Children of his school. He was the undisputed last. His father was polygamous and abandonned the Mother when Carson and his senior brother (Curtis, an equally very bad student)were still very young. Coming from a poor background and without fatherly help, the future seemed very dark for the family. Ben carson's mother always told his children they can achieve everything they want to achieve in life. She was pushing and motivating them, without great results.

Lesson 1: Motivational Talks, although it is a step in the right direction has very little effectiveness. Why ? Because Word of Faith, Positive thinking and speaking,are an attempt to reprogram the unconscious mind with the wrong communication channel. Do you remember what we said? The higher Self does not understand words and logic. It only gets feelings, Images with a degree of consistency and intensity. So motivational speaking are only a positive first step but largely insufficient to turn one's destiny around.

Ben carson' mother began working for Rich people as a Cleaner. As a highly intuitive person she then began to understand why the rich are rich and the poor remain inevitably poor. She observed that, Rich people had great habits that were passed unto them from generation to generation and that favoured prosperity. One of these habits was the intensive and extensive practice of reading. The Mother required them to stop watching all but 2 television programs per week. and with the time saved, start reading 2 books a week.

This change that looked simple had dramatic effect.The children began to raise the results at school, until they became great achievers.

It is not our aim here to explain the intrinsic reasons why reading could bring about such a major revolution in the lives of the children. Suffice here to indicate that once again, a change in the environment created a change in the programming, and a change of programming leads to a change of Fate.

Afromentalist:
Life seems very unfair. While others work their ass off to make it moderately in life, others just seem to turn whatever their hands touch into gold. Prosperity and success seems to have signed a contract with them, they are just blessed in any of their endeavour.

The first and common explantion people give to this phenomenon is that of Hard work and Smart work. According to this view, Success is the combination of enough hard work and smart work. Although this is a logical and true observation, it does not fully explain how for a given equal input of effort (in intensity and wisdom), some people excell way above others.

This has brought about the concept of Grace and that of Curse for religious people. Indeed, nowadays the Main reason people go to Church, Mosque or visit Babalawos, is to receive grace. Maybe God/the gods will bless me so that I can have a better job. Maybe God/the gods will favour me to build a house. Maybe Babalawo can change my story from grass to grace.

Others, less religious people, will rather define the fact that some people seem to be unexplicably doing better than others, with the Word "Luck". It is indeed believed that people are just more lucky than others, hence whatever they do just prospers.

In this Masterclass, we will teach you the true and scientific secret of grace/luck. What is grace from a scientific viewpoint? How do you get it?

The proper understanding of the dynamics and mechanics of grace / luck will be explained here. If you understand it properly, your life will change for good. People pay enormous amount of money in esoteric schools to learn this. It shall be given to you (for a limited amount of time) free of charge. Although we will remain to an extent at superficial level, we will explain just enough for any common man to change his story.

If you are tired of begging any god for a drop of grace, now it is time for you to learn and know where the ocean of it all lies. If you have an interest in sharing this knowledge, indicate it below in comments, then we will proceed when there are enough students.

#Mentalistonly

Are you an atheist?

Following.

triplechoice:
Following.

You are an atheist, I suppose?

LordReed:
While I don't agree with all your word usage, I think I can agree on the general principles so far.

Can you relate to what the OP is on about?

To what extent do you agree/disagree with the OP?

elated177:



Can you relate to what the OP is on about?

To what extent do you agree/disagree with the OP?

Yes because it is analogous to how the mind works. You layer instructions after instructions on your mind until it becomes habit/ingrained/reflexive.

Up until the mention of egregore. I don't believe spirits of any sort exist.

However we shall not derail this thread with that topic. If you want further discussion, open a new thread or call my attention to any thread of your choice.

elated177:



You are an atheist, I suppose?

No. Why do you want to know?

LordReed:


Yes because it is analogous to how the mind works. You layer instructions after instructions on your mind until it becomes habit/ingrained/reflexive.

Up until the mention of egregore. I don't believe spirits of any sort exist.

However we shall not derail this thread with that topic. If you want further discussion, open a new thread or call my attention to any thread of your choice.

Mmhmm!


Hmmmmh!


Don't worry your atheist head about derailing the thread. Something the OP said attracted my attention and i intend getting it sorted.

triplechoice:


No. Why do you want to know?

Are you sure?

elated177:



Are you sure?

are you confused!?

triplechoice:


are you confused!?

Your posts suggest otherwise.

elated177:



Your posts suggest otherwise.

Then you are not a sincere person.

If you already conclude that I am atheist,then why don't proceed with what you have in mind so that you can get further confirmation?

If you cannot tell the difference, sorry I cannot help you Or maybe you should ask the holy spirit .

Please discontinue the questioning and tell me what you have in mind if not don't expect my reply

triplechoice:
Please discontinue the questioning and tell me what you have in mind if not don't expect my reply

Ignore that guy, he is a well known religious crusader / troll. His only aim is to confuse the thread.

Afromentalist:

Ignore that guy, he is a well known religious crusader / troll. His only aim is to confuse the thread.

Of course I will ignore him.

Now concerning your last post, there are certain things I don't agree with

You seem to suggest that affirmations are not enough but I know that the subconscious mind (the higher self) is anenabe to suggestion especially when such suggestions are issued consistently with focus and concentration.
And also, if the higherself does not respond to logical command as you have said ,
how do you explain the reaction of hypnotised subjects who are obviously responding to the suggestion issued by the hypnotist?

triplechoice:


Of course I will ignore him.

Now concerning your last post, there are certain things I don't agree with

You seem to suggest that affirmations are not enough but I know that the subconscious mind (the higher self) is anenabe to suggestion especially when such suggestions are issued consistently with focus and concentration.
And also, if the higherself does not respond to logical command as you have said ,
how do you explain the reaction of hypnotised subjects who are obviously responding to the suggestion issued by the hypnotist?

Hello Baba, disagreements are inevitable and very welcome. But I just want to make sure that you understand my point very clearly.

1- I did not say that suggestions can't affect the higher self. I said motivational speech (word of faith, positive thinking and talking) is a first step, but in itself it is not enough. Now Suggestion can't be limited to positive thinking and word of faith. As you know even a sigil is a suggestion while it is not a positive thought.

Almost every nigerian pentecostal christian practice word of faith. Thats a core bone of their preaching. IThe main doctrine of the Oyedepos and the Oyakilhome is positive thinking. Do you see them experiencing a radical change? a Word of faith is good, but not good enough. It is not the fast lane. And the reason is very clear: The higher self does not (clearly) understand english. All your english you are talking is only good for your rational self.

2- With respect to hypnosis, I do not consider Hypnosis as evidence of interaction with the higher self. The higher self as you know is the God in us. That which is divine and essential at the very core of our being. Hypnosis is simply a method to get to the base of the lower self.

Hypnosis will only make the hypnosed do what he already want (but he is not aware of it), and not what he does not want. Meaning under hypnosis, a person is still within its program. You can take hypnosis as the safe mode of the computer. All the other programs are still except the very necessary one.

You can hypnose someone and he jumps like a Monkey, but you can't hypnose someone to become Rich for instance.

So according to me, hypnosis is no indication of a direct contact with the God in us.

Since you are already a practitioner, I would add this: a better approach to suggestion is the use of Images and feelings (coupled with the positive thinking / word of faith). It will work 100 time faster and bring quicker results.

triplechoice:


Then you are not a sincere person.

If you already conclude that I am atheist,then why don't proceed with what you have in mind so that you can get further confirmation?

If you cannot tell the difference, sorry I cannot help you Or maybe you should ask the holy spirit .

Please discontinue the questioning and tell me what you have in mind if not don't expect my reply

Did you just mention sincerity? Seriously!

Your posts suggest that you are an atheist. How is it that you claimed not to be one?

Are you an atheist or not?

Afromentalist:

Ignore that guy, he is a well known religious crusader / troll. His only aim is to confuse the thread.

Address me directly. Are you not sure of what you are expousing? Are you worried or something? Engage me and prove how I am a religious crusader/troll.

Afromentalist:

Hello Baba, disagreements are inevitable and very welcome. But I just want to make sure that you understand my point very clearly.

1- I did not say that suggestions can't affect the higher self. I said motivational speech (word of faith, positive thinking and talking) is a first step, but in itself it is not enough. Now Suggestion can't be limited to positive thinking and word of faith. As you know even a sigil is a suggestion while it is not a positive thought.

Almost every nigerian pentecostal christian practice word of faith. Thats a core bone of their preaching. IThe main doctrine of the Oyedepos and the Oyakilhome is positive thinking. Do you see them experiencing a radical change? a Word of faith is good, but not good enough. It is not the fast lane. And the reason is very clear: The higher self does not (clearly) understand english. All your english you are talking is only good for your rational self.

2- With respect to hypnosis, I do not consider Hypnosis as evidence of interaction with the higher self. The higher self as you know is the God in us. That which is divine and essential at the very core of our being. Hypnosis is simply a method to get to the base of the lower self.

Hypnosis will only make the hypnosed do what he already want (but he is not aware of it), and not what he does not want. Meaning under hypnosis, a person is still within its program. You can take hypnosis as the safe mode of the computer. All the other programs are still except the very necessary one.

You can hypnose someone and he jumps like a Monkey, but you can't hypnose someone to become Rich for instance.

So according to me, hypnosis is no indication of a direct contact with the God in us.

Since you are already a practitioner, I would add this: a better approach to suggestion is the use of Images and feelings (coupled with the positive thinking / word of faith). It will work 100 time faster and bring quicker results.

You know sometimes what seem obvious to you may not be so for others.

I thought that some persons might get confused or find it difficult to accept when hear that affirmations don't work or do much
I believe that what you just explained may clear any such confusion or doubt.
It's ok.

elated177:



Did you just mention sincerity? Seriously!

Your posts suggest that you are an atheist. How is it that you claimed not to be one?

Are you an atheist or not?

What's your problem?
I have told already that if you can't tell the difference, I cannot help you
I am yet to come across any atheist who would hide or deny their identify especially on an anonymous forum like this.
What exactly is it that I have said to make you conclude that I an atheist.
Asumming I were to be one . What do you intend to do?
My friend please stop quoting me if you have no reasonable thing to say. And for the last time , it's your problem if you're not intelligent enough to tell the difference.

All this grammar can be reduced to one Bible verse.

Proverbs 23 vs 7

As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.

It is very ridiculous and blasphemous even to say Jesus is an egregore

Ranchhoddas:
All this grammar can be reduced to one Bible verse.

Proverbs 23 vs 7

As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.

This is (religious) positive thinking, and as I have indicated earlier with many arguments, it is not enough to master your fate (see my discussion with tripl choice).

Now, I am not a Biblian, and unless you bring forward your arguments as to why my stance is wrong according to you, there is little I can do. A Bible verse is not enough to convince any serious seeker of anything.

If you feel it is enough to make positive declarations to master your fate go right ahead. Almost every Nigerian pentecostal does this on a daily basis as it is the core doctrine of pentecostal theology. Yet nothing significant happens and the reason is simple as I have already indicated before.

Ranchhoddas:
It is very ridiculous and blasphemous even to say Jesus is an egregore

Jesus is a deity (an egregore that has grown to become self conscious and immortal. A very powerful one but still an egregore.).

Like I said if you bring forward your arguments (not Bible verses or hear say), we can discuss. But it seems you are more interested in scoffing. I really have no time for people who think they already know and are superior to others. Even when one disagrees, the correct thing to do is bring forward superior argument and be ready to learn. When the cup is full, it can't be filled.

I wanted to continue with further real life examples and explanations but at this point, I think we can stop the theory here for the moment and begin intense practice. We shall practice for a limited period of time with different exercises of increasing interest and difficulty. We will see how the theory here translates in real actions one can take to recover the key to one's life fate.

Before we engage in it, the floor is open to whatever serious questions you might have. Disagreements are expected and welcomed provided they come with arguments. Religious people are welcomed but religious crusading shall be ignored.

Cc lordreed triplechoice tillaman Stanley al Pacino Oblitz ekejoestar gensteejay

Thanks. Following

Afromentalist:
I wanted to continue with further real life examples and explanations but at this point, I think we can stop the theory here for the moment and begin intense practice. We shall practice for a limited period of time with different exercises of increasing interest and difficulty. We will see how the theory here translates in real actions one can take to recover the key to one's life fate.

Before we engage in it, the floor is open to whatever serious questions you might have. Disagreements are expected and welcomed provided they come with arguments. Religious people are welcomed but religious crusading shall be ignored.

Thanks for your presentation. As you may have noticed my only serious disagreement is on the issue of spirits and since this may not be central to the overall purpose of this presentation, I am willing to overlook it for now. Maybe some other time we will have opportunity to discuss that aspect more in depth.

Thank you and keep up the good work.

Afromentalist:

This is (religious) positive thinking, and as I have indicated earlier with many arguments, it is not enough to master your fate (see my discussion with tripl choice)

Pseudo-occultic garble.
What you think, you become. End of.

Now, I am not a Biblian, and unless you bring forward your arguments as to why my stance is wrong according to you, there is little I can do. A Bible verse is not enough to convince any serious seeker of anything.

If you feel it is enough to make positive declarations to master your fate go right ahead. Almost every Nigerian pentecostal does this on a daily basis as it is the core doctrine of pentecostal theology. Yet nothing significant happens and the reason is simple as I have already indicated before.


Jesus is a deity (an egregore that has grown to become self conscious and immortal. A very powerful one but still an egregore.).

Jesus is a sovereign powerful God. But feel free to continue blasphemimg. It's a free world.

Like I said if you bring forward your arguments (not Bible verses or hear say), we can discuss. But it seems you are more interested in scoffing. I really have no time for people who think they already know and are superior to others. Even when one disagrees, the correct thing to do is bring forward superior argument and be ready to learn. When the cup is full, it can't be filled.

Whatever...

Ranchhoddas:
Jesus is a sovereign powerful God. ...

A gode among many others just like I said.

Praise the Loud.

Afromentalist:
I wanted to continue with further real life examples and explanations but at this point, I think we can stop the theory here for the moment and begin intense practice. We shall practice for a limited period of time with different exercises of increasing interest and difficulty. We will see how the theory here translates in real actions one can take to recover the key to one's life fate.

Before we engage in it, the floor is open to whatever serious questions you might have. Disagreements are expected and welcomed provided they come with arguments. Religious people are welcomed but religious crusading shall be ignored.

Cc lordreed triplechoice tillaman Stanley al Pacino Oblitz ekejoestar gensteejay

How do you deal with doubt when working with the second method of not using an egrregore?
I have observed that sometimes doubts still come inspite of the successes one may get Somtimes you think, it might just be coincidence. Or when you look around, you see people who you think don't use or know these things succeeding and you wonder if you are not wasting your time.Or what is the explanation for those who were born into poverty and still manage to succeed without knowing any of these things? Is it that they unconsciously used these principles?

And another thing, I know for this to work one must believe and expect it will work.Or does your method work whether you expect it to work or not?

And finally,how can one break free from an egrregore,is it possible especially when such an egrregore is something that is tied to the family bloodline?

@triplechoice ,

Very nice set of questions. I will reply them once I hit home.

Afromentalist:


In the Bible there is a verse people do not pay enough attention to:

"but whose delight is in the law of the Lord,
and [i]who meditates on his law day and nigh[/i]t.
3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither—
whatever they do prospers. "

Those who know what an egregore is, how it works, will immediately understand what the writer is subtly trying to say here. The truth is People do not special favours from any god. Beyond an apparent success there is a scientific explanation. What you don't know is older than you.

Whenever you people teach these things you teach, I just wish you will leave the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty well alone and completely out of it.

From your very first set of comments, it is obvious that you do not believe in the existence of Creator, or even any god at all. From what you have stated so far, one could extrapolate that you have reduced the existence of any supernatural being to what you referred to as a collection of thoughtforms or egregore. By so doing, you have stated - albeit not in plain terms - that the existence of anything like a supernatural being, a god if you like, is an imagination or creation of humans. I stand to be corrected. You implied, by your teachings, that what humans refer to as supernatural beings were actually their creations via their collective thoughts. Again, I stand to be corrected.

Now, why did you have to drag the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty into whatever it is you are espousing and expounding here? There is no iota of similarity between the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty and whatever you are trying to sell here. The portion of the Scriptures you quoted is from the book of Psalms chapter one. The meaning of that portion quoted is transparent and simple to understand. The writer, who happens to be king David, hid no subtle meaning in it. King David simply expressed the importance of keeping the Commandments of the YHVH Almighty and the blessings which follow those who do so.

Yahushua the Messiah, whom I guess you referred to as Jesus - unless you meant any Jesus in Mexico, is the Word of YHVH Almighty, his Son. He is not an egregore. He did not come into existence by human design or through human desire. He does not depend on humans for existence. He does not feed on the energy of humans. He, as the Bread of Life, fills his followers with the energy they need to fight spiritual warfare. The Creator of the heavens, earth and the seas and all that is in them is the Father of my Master, Yahushua the Messiah and Father of the spirits of flesh, He is, most definitely, not an egregore.


Whenever you people drag the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty into your masked satanic (occultic, witchcraft, etc) teachings, you are most definitely going to get a resounding rebuke and fierce opposition from his saints. If you like call it religious crusading, trolling or whatever, it will not deter the saints.

To avoid this opposition or rebuke, steer clear of the Scriptures of my Father in heaven. I wouldn't have had any business commenting here if you had not dragged the Scriptures into your egregore/occultic/witchcraft teaching.

triplechoice:


What's your problem?
I have told already that if you can't tell the difference, I cannot help you
I am yet to come across any atheist who would hide or deny their identify especially on an anonymous forum like this.
What exactly is it that I have said to make you conclude that I an atheist.
Asumming I were to be one . What do you intend to do?
My friend please stop quoting me if you have no reasonable thing to say. And for the last time , it's your problem if you're not intelligent enough to tell the difference.

Difference between what?

triplechoice:


This is what you still don't understand.
Someone says there is no God or your God does not exist.
You have not been able to convince him or provide proof that you God exist but you insist he must obey the instructions coming from this God you have not been able to convince him exist..How is that possible?

He also tells you he is able to do the right thing without been told what to do by any God but you reject this and say it's not possible for anyone to do the right thing without believing in your God.This is the crux of the matter

Convince him that your God exist then the rest becomes easy.
I am not an atheist .My only interest in this matter is the issue of allowing other people to control your mind .

triplechoice:












So if you were truly convinced that you had the best evidence and best reasons for believing god how were you able to change your mind (if you did)?




I have checked and did not see where you mentioned that the definition is that of the skeptic community.well it doesn't matter now let's look at the more important things

You know sometimes having an intellectual understanding of something may not be enough to understand how a thing works..You need some kind of working experience or a demonstration to completely know what you have been taught.

If you have never had any sort of religious belief before and actually practice it then it's difficult to understand how anyone could have faith in anything without evidence.

Faith as I understand it then is not a complete rejection of objective truth.Faith recognises what you regard as truth but rejects it if it becomes a threat.

For instance if a true believer or someone with faith is diagnosed of having an incurable illness the fiirst reaction is to reject it.But from the report nothing can change this diagnosis,.This is the truth .What does the faith person do? He says its lie of the devil.It cannot be true and decides to pray to change it Well I don't know if you will accept this.Some persons have had a miraculous turn around after praying.I have had experiences in the pastwhere my health improved after been prayed for
Of course it's expected at those times to conclude its a godthat was responsible.But I now know better I will come back to this later

So faith is way of focusing on what you have come to accept as truth based on your personal experience even if it goes against every other established truth out there.Whiith faith you create your own truth even if outer evidence does not support it.I am sure so many person who practice faith would tell you the same if you ask them

.What can you tell someone who prays for a job and in a dream he is directed to go to certain company and apply.He does this and the jobs .That's not all the exact salary to be paid he already knows this from the dream.is that not evidence ?or is it coincidence? I had some experiences similar this in the past.But why did I stop believing?

Well ,the first reason I think could be my family background my father was an atheist but he never stopped me and my siblings from going to church..And so his life became a point of reference later in my own life when started to experience a crisis of Faith.What I believe no longer works and I was on the brink.Then one day while thinking of what to do I suddenly remembered my late father and reasoned that when he was alive ,he never experienced what I am now experiencing and he never believed in any god.why is my case different? something must be wrong with what I believe.

So I took the courage to find out the truth about what I have come to accept as "truth" .At the initial stage I was filled with much trepidation each time I read what shattered my religious beliefs.My major worry was fear.Fear of witches and wizards.Who is going to protect me now?
But fortunately for me ,my late father was a point of reference.He used to tell us that witches are not real When we ask him what of those who confess to been witches?He says any such person has mental problem.So whenever fear comes,I look back to my late father and started getting courage to overcome my fears which kept me stuck to my former religion.If no witches attacked my late father and he lived closed to 80 years what was the basis for my fear.

What most people in this part of the world would not admit is that it is the fear of witches that drive them to attending churches.They are looking for a safe haven.


And finally the most liberating thing was that I got explanations for what was responsible for those miracles I had .God was not involved.My mind was largely responsible and I have been able to have some of those experiences even now when I no longer subscribe to the conventional God.I am nor asking any to follow me .

Believe what you believe as long as you don't try forced it down my throat.My current position is due to my past experiences and I am not looking back

triplechoice:
@Afromentalist

I have gone through your post
on the use of an egrregore(thoughtform) in achieving ones goal and would like to say that all the things you have said are true..

From my own personal experiences, having been part of an esoteric group with a powerful egrregore, (what I was made to believe) I know things can get very easy for the practioner especially when they get engossed in it but this comes with a price

Most who use and advocate it(egrregore) usually do not have the correct perspective of what they into.The few who know what is going on are unwilling to tell the truth but there are the sincere ones who tell it all. I was fortunate that my path crossed the later if not I believe I would still be entrapped.
Yes egrregore results in spiritual (psychological ) slavery because you unconsciously give your powers away to an external entity without realising what you are doing.Its limitations becomes your limitations .
I am against mind control and want to be in charge of my God given destiny

What do you really believe in, triplechoice?