Olu317:
I can't but agree to your thought provoking piece.It has indeed increase the fact finding of what elude our loss of memory of the past,in such a way that our ancestors encrypted their knowledge in pictographs, obelisks iron ore production, ceramic works,jewellery production.

Another unattended information is about, the renown Islamic studies Professor, Isaac Ogunbiyi, who assert also in his book, Orhography of Yoruba, that Yoruba language have been studied by scholars to the extent that nearly all have Arabic root. This information alone shows the direction where the language came from to the new world they met in West Africa

On the ‘o dud Iwa 'as a name remain descriptive of a person and the perfect character of his God. And it does show a reference to Iwa . The name Iwa is God in Yoruba Ifaodu corpus from the verse, I came in contact with,which I will share in not too long a time from now. The reason being that Ela was said to fuse Iwa with self; married to Iwa and they became one .Obviously, it was from this interpenetration that such as a woman came into existence. In Yoruba's world view,‘Iwa' is not adequately defined by mavern, scholars alikes because I the name Iwa does not have opposite of it. Iwa is Iwa and when we bring in negation to the name. Thus becomes, ‘ ko ni or è ni Iwa or ō ni Iwa!

Finally, many Yoruba words is even more interwoven with Hausa's. Elements of Arabic terms in Hausa's language are also found in Yoruba lexicon. Although, accent or pronunciations and replica of same phrase or words, twice differentiate them.

PastorAIO:

Hello. I would imagine that every language in existence borrows words from any culture it comes into contact with. Yoruba even has words from Portuguese due to interacting with them since the 15tj century.

Words like Bata for shoes together with sabata in itshekiri is actually from Zapata, the Portuguese word for shoe.

Also, about iwa, which means character and existence, Oduduwa I learnt means Odu ti o da Iwa, that is Odu (womb) that created existence.
There are different types of iwa. I believe it is iwa pele that is associated with God and is considered the highest achievement in Ifa discipline.

MetaPhysical:


You stop using antagonism to provoke and incite others into sharing ideas and revelations for your secret works on a book. Collect ideas honestly, not through ona eburu (Hebrew).

I told you many times, as others have not minced words in sharing, you are fake linguist. You wait to see what others produce, you use it as keyword to obtain info from web records and respond with a counter. Pay attention to first paragraph in prexios response above. Pay attention and prove him wrong. Take action....be vexed by the challenge....open a thread and lead in with your linguistic kwa-kwa-kwa mumbo jumbo.

I stopped writing here and producing information after I suspected what you were doing, tested it myself and my suspicjon was confirmed in your counter rwsponse.

You press on the point of Yoruba and Ibo as co-origined but you refuse to delve underneath the surface and produce the phenomenal function for the terms on your list.

Conversely, every contributor on our side have given you the Yoruba spread, produced numerous words, their ideas, their root meanings, their applications and their phenomenal meaning.

A very good example is the APA. This is not even related with Arab or Hebrew or Egypt but with Europe.... the descendants of Roman and Greek civilizations.

So without any external prodding, your natural inquisitiveness - which is an instinctual response, not logic - should have fired up and be asking what in the world could have happened in remote past that gave direct linguistic link - without an internediary - between Yoruba and Greek? There is a consistency also in cultural symmetry between the two civilizations.....the deities, knowledge of constellations, arts.

Over the life of this thread I have produced numerous cognates and explained them. Olu has done same.



Im going to test your knowledge today. In your submission that Owo, Ogho, Ego are cognates and evidence Yoruba co-origin with Ibo and other kwas, go ahead and give the phemonemal function of OWO in Yoruba society. In other words, its etymology and function for the mundane. If I say Owo mi re (here is my money), there is an expression, which is explicitly on the surface but there is also a connection that is secured in that exchange. What role does Owo play in that exchange?

gh - w, h, g eg. Money : Owo, Ogho (Yoruboid) Igho (Edoid) Ego (Igboid)/ You sg. : iwọ (Yoruboid), ihọ (Edoid), gi (Igboid) / They : wọn, ghan, gha (Yoruboid and Edoid), ha (igboid).
Or kp - k eg. Hand: Apá [Akpá] (Yoruboid) Aka (igboid)/ Frog : Ọpọlọ[Ọkpọlọ] (yoruboid), Eko (edoid), Akolo (igboid).
Or l - n, r eg. Neck: Ọrùn, Olu (yoruboid and igboid) Onu (igboid)/ Ring : Òrùka, Oluka(Yoruboid), Olaaka (Igboid) / Sky/Above : Ọ̀run, Ọlu (Yoruboid and Igboid), Elu (Igboid) / In/at : ni, li, na (Yoruboid, edoid and igboid)

uncertain: i don't like posting things i'm still researching but take this as a bonus
Or ny - n, y eg.´Elephant: Erin (Yoruboid), Eni (Edoid), Enyi (Igboid) /Mother : Iye, Nne from possibly "Inye" . Nna (Father or Mother in Igboid, depending on dialect) and Iya (Mother in Yoruba) could then be safely established as cognates

Yoruboid includes Igala. Edoid includes urhobo. Igboid includes Ekpeye

Olu317:
Of course, we can trust Oxford dictionary to an extent though English language are mostly loaned from outside England because I am familiar with English history so, whatever is written in English dictionaries are heavily loaned from and outside Germanic. The migrants from Germanic enclave and extension are Saxons, Angles,Jutes, and the earlier settlers in England, who were celtic groups. The Angles language developed into modern day England and English language, even when it is well known that the name seemingly stood out because she came with an identity as Englaland and the language spoken was known as Englisc during that era, from West Germanic language.

Interestingly the language spoken before 17th century are not intelligible to modern speakers of English language in England, which show the difference between learners and teacher's language( English language developed 1000s of loaned words into her language). This is because the English language did not developed from Germanic language only but also along non Germanic language which are,such as Latin, Italian,Greek and French and muxh later Classic Hebrew. This begun during the era of King William, the English language developed more and incorporated or loaned Classic Hebrew's language into her lexicon through Biblical interpretation from Greek-Latin into new era English language.

Thus, using English dictionary to convey your point has some flaws from it, which actually point to the fact that Iron or Iren is loaned from Hebrew through the Greek's Septugint knowledge of Torah(Tawra) of Classic Hebrew known as English Bible.

Contrary to hi(i) in English language's accent, the classic Hebrew, use ee,yi for (i). And no other known Classic kingdoms such as Latin-Roman,French,German,Russian, Armenia, Greek, except Hebrew. Even the Arabs who are amongst the pioneer relation don't have such cognate with Hebrew's word for yhe-ron or eeren.So, don't defend your view from English language's persoer. Plainly Europeans don't own the word nit Semitic in origin. Below screenshot will show who were the migrants English people..

Read and proof the above information wrong, If you can!

Note: Perhaps, at your humility and non usage of vulgar words, you will know that Yoruba language developed from the foundational language of the world which was spoken to mankind after man deserted God through the development to the pioneer ancestors of the man called Ebora(A b r ; E b r ) ,who is called Abram in English and world's knowledge. The pioneer ancestors of Ifaodu .

MetaPhysical:


You stop using antagonism to provoke and incite others into sharing ideas and revelations for your secret works on a book. Collect ideas honestly, not through ona eburu (Hebrew).

I told you many times, as others have not minced words in sharing, you are fake linguist. You wait to see what others produce, you use it as keyword to obtain info from web records and respond with a counter. Pay attention to first paragraph in prexios response above. Pay attention and prove him wrong. Take action....be vexed by the challenge....open a thread and lead in with your linguistic kwa-kwa-kwa mumbo jumbo.

I stopped writing here and producing information after I suspected what you were doing, tested it myself and my suspicjon was confirmed in your counter rwsponse.

You press on the point of Yoruba and Ibo as co-origined but you refuse to delve underneath the surface and produce the phenomenal function for the terms on your list.

Conversely, every contributor on our side have given you the Yoruba spread, produced numerous words, their ideas, their root meanings, their applications and their phenomenal meaning.

A very good example is the APA. This is not even related with Arab or Hebrew or Egypt but with Europe.... the descendants of Roman and Greek civilizations.

So without any external prodding, your natural inquisitiveness - which is an instinctual response, not logic - should have fired up and be asking what in the world could have happened in remote past that gave direct linguistic link - without an internediary - between Yoruba and Greek? There is a consistency also in cultural symmetry between the two civilizations.....the deities, knowledge of constellations, arts.

Over the life of this thread I have produced numerous cognates and explained them. Olu has done same.



Im going to test your knowledge today. In your submission that Owo, Ogho, Ego are cognates and evidence Yoruba co-origin with Ibo and other kwas, go ahead and give the phemonemal function of OWO in Yoruba society. In other words, its etymology and function for the mundane. If I say Owo mi re (here is my money), there is an expression, which is explicitly on the surface but there is also a connection that is secured in that exchange. What role does Owo play in that exchange?

macof:
Very hilarious comments, ultimately exposing more stubborn and committed ignorance. All 4 came hot because of my post on patterns of sound change.. That post really scared the hell out of all of you. It was fun to read the angry reactions and honestly it's just because I've given up on you people already otherwise it ought to be a sad thing. No messiah can save you from your hebetudinous intellect and willful ignorance.

I will explain for the last time to you on this matter of language.

#1 Yoruba placement
First of all, none of you are linguists and your command of the Yoruba language has been shown on this thread to be unimpressive so how can you claim to know that expert linguists are wrong on a matter you don't know enough about?

Scholars (Africans and non Africans alike) who have studied the Yoruba language and other languages in the Volta-Niger (East Kwa) language group, have reported the result of their study and research. And nobody has condemned the existence of a Niger - congo language group nor Yoruba Language 's relatedness to other languages in its immediate language family. So your blabbings are restricted to your clique of Hebrew and Arab wannabes who do not rely on facts.
Funny how you 4 can claim because a European was the first to come up with the label "Kwa languages" the idea must be false. When actually if . But it was also Europeans who came up with the idea of "semitic languages". So this point of referring to who came up with the idea is hypocritical. Trying to remove Yoruba from Kwa on grounds that the language group was labelled by linguists of European descent, only to try to put Yoruba in Semitic - a language group created by linguists of European descent
You all lack consistent arguments


Secondly, the fact that these language groups were first penned by someone of European descent does not mean the language groups are false. A thing is not false because of who said it.. A thing is false simply because it is not true nor based on anything that can stand scrutiny.

The linguists of European descent who were vital to the rise of linguistics in Africa were not racist or schizophrenic. That's an unnecessary label, one that is frankly untrue.
You don't think the semitic people who you want to be are racist despite all the things they wrote in their holy books? You think they like you? Anyway that's a topic for another day, another thread.

The placement of Yoruba, Ewe, Nupe, Igbo , Edo, Idoma, Igala, Fon fon, Ga etc as related languages have not been rejected by any renowned scholar, rather our knowledge of the science of these languages has improved because of the initial work that grouped these languages together. My own ongoing research for my thesis on ancient Yoruba history has been aided by the work of historical linguists so historians can testify.
[ And to respond to MetaPhysical who said I'm selling a book... No, I am not, I am writing a thesis not a book. Anybody can write a book to feed themselves if they are jobless these days, hoping people will buy it. But it's the reviews by scholars in the field that determine how relevant a book is. Simply writing a book doesn't make your effort relevant. It's the value of the content that makes it relevant ]

If you want some popular Yoruba linguists, here are some : Odutayo Akinkugbe, Bolaji Aremo, Abiodun Adetugbo
People actually study these things. So it's not for any of you 4 to tell linguists that they are all wrong when your argument makes no sense.


#2. Comparative Historical Linguistics
Even from my own research and reflection as a historian who has keen interest in linguistics
All Kwa languages possess identical properties... To name a few: a high and low tone and occasional mid tone; absence of gender and plural forms of words; no verb conjugations, nor change in verb morphology during change in grammatical aspects eg. O lọ : he goes / he went (lọ will always remain lọ in every aspect without undergoing a morphological change)

Plus I have demonstrated that there are patterns of change in the consonant sounds of words in Kwa languages



An etymon is a word or morpheme from which a later word is derived.
Cognages are words that share common etymological origin..

That is cognates are siblings and have an etymon as their parent.
You jump on my post to argue with my sound pattern without actually debunking it because you don't understand what cognates and etymon mean. You just have to jump on it because you can't agree to it and still claim Yoruba is semitic
Even you guys aren't dumb enough to contradict yourselves like that

But I'm waiting for you to actually show how those patterns are false

Cognates are not words that look alike when written down and share similar meaning. (Iron and Ìrìn are not cognates, neither are Apá and Apart)
That is not the meaning of cognate.

You have to study
1. The pronunciation of the words or change in pronunciation over time.
Words are phonological (concerning pronunciation) first before being about letters and alphabets

Iron and Ìrìn do not sound alike nor do they trace back in pronunciation to the same word

2. The break down of the words
Break the words down if possible into syllables and let's see if they still hold the illusion of being connected

3. Etymology. That is the original meaning of a word, or how that word came to be

The English word "Iron" does not come from Hebrew.
Here's the Hebrew word for Iron www.nairaland.com/attachments/11929452_20200713_pngd5ce797e9627f7006f42524bd2058735
And here again is the etymology of the English "Iron" from another internationally recognised source: online etymology dictionary
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11929451_202007133_pngfcd58e86ded9b890cc7b3e8f47d9a42e

And why are you trying to argue that Apá is cognate with Apart Apart comes from Latin "Ad Partem" .. Or now Latin too is a semitic language
Or Latin borrowed the word "Ad Partem" from Hebrew?

You guys are the bumbest 4 on this forum if you can't see the stupidity in this particular argument. It's hilarious because you guys really think you are making sense

Here are two links on the basics of historical linguistics. Explaining the comparative method and how two languages can be said to be related

[-https://linguistics.ucsc.edu/about/what-is-linguistics.html
-https://www.britannica.com/science/comparative-linguistics]

While you are saying Yoruba Apá is cognate with Latin Ad Partem
People who know better say Yoruba Apá (and Iká: finger) is cognate with igbo Aka

Here's a link to some linguists and anthropologists compiling a limited list of cognate words between Yoruba and Igbo (the two biggest Volta-Niger languages)

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-similar-words-in-the-Igbo-and-Yoruba-Languages


# 3 Trusting Experts
Why can we trust the experts who say Yoruba language is related to languages spoken around Yorùbáland instead of trusting you random 4 young men who do not even belong to any academic community who say Yoruba language is not related to languages around but rather to languages over 7,000 Kilometers away in a different continent spoken by people who don't look anything like yorubas

1. There is no record of mass migration into Yorùbáland, Igboland, Idomaland, Igalaland, Edoland, Nupeland. We can assume based on this alone that these neighbours have lived close to each other for thousands of years and probably share common origin, so their languages must be related
2. These languages share identical properties. Tonal languages, No verb morphology, no definite article
In case you don't know what definite article means (which you 4 most likely don't) :
Definite article is the word "the" used before a noun eg. The Car.
3. Words like Ewure (Yoruba) - Ewe (Edo) Ewu (Igbo) : Goat
Akuko (Yoruba) - Okhokho (Edo) - Okuko (Igbo) : Fowl
Erin (Yoruba) - Eni (Edo) - Enyi (Igbo) : Elephant
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) : Ear
Ọnu (Igbo) - Ẹnu (Yoruba) : Mouth
Miri (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) :Water

You get the point?
Refer to my earlier link on similar words in igbo and Yoruba, you can also use any igbo dictionary to check the authenticity of the igbo words since you don't speak igbo

This is how you know people who went to school and take knowledge seriously

Interesting thing is that you may say that "Ọkhọkhọ" in Edo is cognate with "Cock" in English
But you will disagree that Ewu, Ewure and Ewe are cognates

I have given priceless education on this thread, hit you back to back with facts and information. That is yet to be debunked. I am waiting for any of you to show any of my statements false like I do with yours on a regular
At this point anyone who wants to learn more should simply ask questions.
I will be responding only to relevant posts on this topic from now on because it has been over flogged if anyone still thinks Yoruba language is not related to neighbouring languages then believe what you like. It is yourself you are embarrassing.

2prexios:


Boss,

All that this guy is trying to do is to take over the scepter of authority on Yoruba history on this platform and elsewhere.

He knows exactly what is in it for him.

That fame and glory and whatever that's in it for him is unknown to you and I but this fellow alone. We're threat to his agenda.

macof:

Going off topic again. And adding inaccuracies as usual
I'm not even going to correct the errors and half knowledge in this one. It's usual for you to add inaccuracies in your posts with the aim to push your overall agenda.

This picture here which you posted as some sort of source even said nothing about Hebrew but sure, trust you to add Hebrew
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11917083_img20200713060051_jpeg55b68523a92901f9d6eb3305860a0603

"Iron" : of Hebrew origin?
As I have said, you 4 are committed to ignoring facts and evidence so it's not a surprise that you still argue despite the fact debunking all your previous claims staring at you in the face, you no go gree.. Lailai


I've told you I only deal with facts and credible sources

Anything you post on this forum on any thread needs to be verified because we can't even take the slightest things you say seriously until we verify if it's true

Picture 1. Here's the etymology of Iron again from another source... That's two sources I am giving you, both saying the same thing and none mentioning Hebrew

Picture 2. And the Hebrew word for Iron is "barzel". I searched for Yiron, Yir'on, yir-ohn as you claimed and found no results in Hebrew

2prexios:


Boss,

All that this guy is trying to do is to take over the scepter of authority on Yoruba history on this platform and elsewhere.

He knows exactly what is in it for him.

That fame and glory and whatever that's in it for him is unknown to you and I but this fellow alone. We're threat to his agenda.

Olu317:
And you can't decipher which is ? I have begun to suspect that you anxiously seek the knowledge of the classic Hebrew language but you shamelessly act behind the entrance door as a disguise. So dont explain etymology of a minority Angles who have multiple ethnic group's loan words into her language.


Barzel in Hebrew is not the only word for iron,which is borne out of the alphabet: bet+ resh+Zan+ aleph + lam which you fail to understand and can't understand because you can't differentiate the methodology which is being used to know the, words, cognates, synonym noun ,make you inconsistent. Thus, Kindly don't patronise me with unfounded perception. In fact barzel has same cognate with moulding(bending) of mighty iron.

macof:


Common keep quiet.

I have shown you dictionary to hebrew showing barzel as the word for Iron. No Yiron there. Then I showed you how English acquired the word "Iron" which has no connection to Hebrew.

Suspect whatever you like. If you say you have knowledge of Hebrew language and you claim a word means something in Hebrew, then you should be able to provide a credible dictionary that shows same thing. You claim you want to keep your Hebrew language knowledge a secret whenever you are asked to prove your claim but you were not keeping it a secret the first time you made the claim mumu

Only thing you posted was from your own article. You cannot post yourself as source

Olu317:
And what's this? Barzel or Yhi ron

MetaPhysical:


Exactly! I guarantee you many points from this thread will feature in the thesis he is working on.

Hey macof, make sure you give credits to this thread when you complete your thesis. Im about to thrash your kwa theories. Thats what they are....theories!

2prexios:


History is already being written here my bro. This thread can never be bested anywhere in Yoruba scholarship in this IT age.

The fellow is a distraction.

macof:


Nobody knows where you got that word from. You cannot post yourself as your source

MetaPhysical:


I agree!

Once a while i go into it at random and review pages. Its amazing! There needs to be a backup copy of this thread.

Olu317:
My God. So, source which picked the acceptable dictionaries amidst several authors are wrong ?

Perhaps, you didn't realise the year of existence of Oxford dicrtionary which begun in 19th century is different from 17th century's English translated Septuagint (Greek)-Roman Latin- Torah(Hebrew script) work. Unfortunately, you can't get what you want unless you buy these books to know more about classic Hebrew.

Punch line: Are you aware ‘ts',a Yoruba alphabet as found as, ‘ tse'(tsad) in Hebrew alphabet exist in Yoruba language's alphabet as well?/You don't know Jack!

macof:
Very hilarious comments, ultimately exposing more stubborn and committed ignorance. All 4 came hot because of my post on patterns of sound change.. That post really scared the hell out of all of you. It was fun to read the angry reactions and honestly it's just because I've given up on you people already otherwise it ought to be a sad thing. No messiah can save you from your hebetudinous intellect and willful ignorance.

I will explain for the last time to you on this matter of language.

#1 Yoruba placement
First of all, none of you are linguists and your command of the Yoruba language has been shown on this thread to be unimpressive so how can you claim to know that expert linguists are wrong on a matter you don't know enough about?

Scholars (Africans and non Africans alike) who have studied the Yoruba language and other languages in the Volta-Niger (East Kwa) language group, have reported the result of their study and research. And nobody has condemned the existence of a Niger - congo language group nor Yoruba Language 's relatedness to other languages in its immediate language family. So your blabbings are restricted to your clique of Hebrew and Arab wannabes who do not rely on facts.
Funny how you 4 can claim because a European was the first to come up with the label "Kwa languages" the idea must be false . But it was also Europeans who came up with the idea of "semitic languages". So this point of referring to who came up with the idea is hypocritical. Trying to remove Yoruba from Kwa on grounds that the language group was labelled by linguists of European descent, only to try to put Yoruba in Semitic - a language group created by linguists of European descent
You all lack consistent arguments


Secondly, the fact that these language groups were first penned by someone of European descent does not mean the language groups are false. A thing is not false because of who said it.. A thing is false simply because it is not true nor based on anything that can stand scrutiny.

The linguists of European descent who were vital to the rise of linguistics in Africa were not racist or schizophrenic. That's an unnecessary label, one that is frankly untrue.
You don't think the semitic people who you want to be are racist despite all the things they wrote in their holy books? You think they like you? Anyway that's a topic for another day, another thread.

The placement of Yoruba, Ewe, Nupe, Igbo , Edo, Idoma, Igala, Fon fon, Ga etc as related languages have not been rejected by any renowned scholar, rather our knowledge of the science of these languages has improved because of the initial work that grouped these languages together. My own ongoing research for my thesis on ancient Yoruba history has been aided by the work of historical linguists so historians can testify.
[ And to respond to MetaPhysical who said I'm selling a book... No, I am not, I am writing a thesis not a book. Anybody can write a book to feed themselves if they are jobless these days, hoping people will buy it. But it's the reviews by scholars in the field that determine how relevant a book is. Simply writing a book doesn't make your effort relevant. It's the value of the content that makes it relevant ]

If you want some popular Yoruba linguists, here are some : Odutayo Akinkugbe, Bolaji Aremo, Abiodun Adetugbo
People actually study these things. So it's not for any of you 4 to tell linguists that they are all wrong when your argument makes no sense.


#2. Comparative Historical Linguistics
Even from my own research and reflection as a historian who has keen interest in linguistics
All Kwa languages possess identical properties... To name a few: a high and low tone and occasional mid tone; absence of gender and plural forms of words; no verb conjugations, nor change in verb morphology during change in grammatical aspects eg. O lọ : he goes / he went (lọ will always remain lọ in every aspect without undergoing a morphological change)

Plus I have demonstrated that there are patterns of change in the consonant sounds of words in Kwa languages



An etymon is a word or morpheme from which a later word is derived.
Cognages are words that share common etymological origin..

That is cognates are siblings and have an etymon as their parent.
You jump on my post to argue with my sound pattern without actually debunking it because you don't understand what cognates and etymon mean. You just have to jump on it because you can't agree to it and still claim Yoruba is semitic
Even you guys aren't dumb enough to contradict yourselves like that

But I'm waiting for you to actually show how those patterns are false

Cognates are not words that look alike when written down and share similar meaning. (Iron and Ìrìn are not cognates, neither are Apá and Apart)
That is not the meaning of cognate.

You have to study
1. The pronunciation of the words or change in pronunciation over time.
Words are phonological (concerning pronunciation) first before being about letters and alphabets

Iron and Ìrìn do not sound alike nor do they trace back in pronunciation to the same word

2. The break down of the words
Break the words down if possible into syllables and let's see if they still hold the illusion of being connected

3. Etymology. That is the original meaning of a word, or how that word came to be

The English word "Iron" does not come from Hebrew.
Here's the Hebrew word for Iron www.nairaland.com/attachments/11929452_20200713_pngd5ce797e9627f7006f42524bd2058735
And here again is the etymology of the English "Iron" from another internationally recognised source: online etymology dictionary
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11929451_202007133_pngfcd58e86ded9b890cc7b3e8f47d9a42e

And why are you trying to argue that Apá is cognate with Apart Apart comes from Latin "Ad Partem" .. Or now Latin too is a semitic language
Or Latin borrowed the word "Ad Partem" from Hebrew?

You guys are the bumbest 4 on this forum if you can't see the stupidity in this particular argument. It's hilarious because you guys really think you are making sense

Here are two links on the basics of historical linguistics. Explaining the comparative method and how two languages can be said to be related

[-https://linguistics.ucsc.edu/about/what-is-linguistics.html
-https://www.britannica.com/science/comparative-linguistics]

While you are saying Yoruba Apá is cognate with Latin Ad Partem
People who know better say Yoruba Apá (and Iká: finger) is cognate with igbo Aka

Here's a link to some linguists and anthropologists compiling a limited list of cognate words between Yoruba and Igbo (the two biggest Volta-Niger languages)

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-similar-words-in-the-Igbo-and-Yoruba-Languages


# 3 Trusting Experts
Why can we trust the experts who say Yoruba language is related to languages spoken around Yorùbáland instead of trusting you random 4 young men who do not even belong to any academic community who say Yoruba language is not related to languages around but rather to languages over 7,000 Kilometers away in a different continent spoken by people who don't look anything like yorubas

1. There is no record of mass migration into Yorùbáland, Igboland, Idomaland, Igalaland, Edoland, Nupeland. We can assume based on this alone that these neighbours have lived close to each other for thousands of years and probably share common origin, so their languages must be related
2. These languages share identical properties. Tonal languages, No verb morphology, no definite article
In case you don't know what definite article means (which you 4 most likely don't) :
Definite article is the word "the" used before a noun eg. The Car.
3. Words like Ewure (Yoruba) - Ewe (Edo) Ewu (Igbo) : Goat
Akuko (Yoruba) - Okhokho (Edo) - Okuko (Igbo) : Fowl
Erin (Yoruba) - Eni (Edo) - Enyi (Igbo) : Elephant
Nti (Igbo) - Eti (Yoruba) : Ear
Ọnu (Igbo) - Ẹnu (Yoruba) : Mouth
Miri (Igbo) - Omi (Yoruba) :Water

You get the point?
Refer to my earlier link on similar words in igbo and Yoruba, you can also use any igbo dictionary to check the authenticity of the igbo words since you don't speak igbo

This is how you know people who went to school and take knowledge seriously

Interesting thing is that you may say that "Ọkhọkhọ" in Edo is cognate with "Cock" in English
But you will disagree that Ewu, Ewure and Ewe are cognates

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I have given priceless education on this thread, hit you back to back with facts and information. That is yet to be debunked. I am waiting for any of you to show any of my statements false like I do with yours on a regular
At this point anyone who wants to learn more should simply ask questions.
I will be responding only to relevant posts on this topic from now on because it has been over flogged if anyone still thinks Yoruba language is not related to neighbouring languages then believe what you like. It is yourself you are embarrassing.

2prexios:


You are wasting your time on professor Google Gbamila again this early momo, you sef.

Give him truth, he will disagree with it. And you want to be even with him? Can you be even with someone who disagree with himself consistently?

Can't be wasting time on him on end bro. Let's pick up the apparent item he has shared and put it to good use. Engage him on Google stuff and he beat you to it.

Barzel, baba: false cognates true friends

The closest version to barzel is baba, as it is said, "Ogun o roke, agbede o ro baba". In that sense, baba is the metal in viscous or liquid form.

You can't beat the iron into shape in this state, hence it's said agbede o ro baba.

Iron, aro, true cognates true friends

Sometimes the Yoruba uses obsolete or archaic words to buttress the point they're making about a particular object or idea poetically.

Somehow that alternative often happen to be a perfect word or cognates in another language entirely, this happens in aro and iron.

Kereun mogbo nimoya nile aro... the Yoruba know the song very well, so I won't interpret. Modele aro moseba Ogun onire...

iren, ire, true cognates true friends

Iren is akin to ire. This term is part of the linguistic progression in English for the term iron. But by some unknown reason, Ogun is acknowledged as onire.

It's the praise poetry of the Ondo stock of the Yoruba race, irenimogun, omo amuda p'ekun, omo amode m'aja. So, ire is an attribute of Ogun and his family, the Ondo folks.

And, what does ire mean? Ore, Are, Ere, all these plays out in giving the meaning to the word. It's what metaphysical calls the spirit of the word not long ago.

I won't preemp him, because that's his style and it works 70% of the time or more. From that mix you will find Ore, (iron ore), and Ere, (mud), where iron can be extracted from aside from the rock.

Mud type gives away where iron is deposited in an area before it's exploited in the days of old. Ere is a historical place too at Ado, it's the link to the sea, olisa-Ere: we will come back to this.

Internal Harmony

Now the version I chose to embrace is the synonyms to ire, which are ilo, irin, which combined as ilorin, just as you have it in ore.

So, Ogun onire is akin to saying Ogun, onile, alo. And that is definitely apparent in "onile kogun kogun", wavy, agege, Aegean, aje, iloko, etc.

Ogun was a dweller on the rocky side of the country that leads to the capital of the Yoruba original home. He was a metallurgist.

Lo has not finished with us: when you use pestle and mortar to pound something, you are "gun-ing" that thing, so that rhymes with agonyin...okun le, agonyin o we.

But when you lo something, you have passed it through machine, iron and you can have it as flour or smooth mix, so gun and lo are synonyms.

Metallurgical sense of the word lo is to file an iron implement. Those who subscribed to this concluded that ilorin is where the cutlasses were filled.

Ilorin is rather, the anvil, the Àfín, the place where iron is forged. Hence the Àfín Ogun is referenced in the saying, Ogun onile aro. Then aro is a lo. Let's stop here to consider irin.

Ìrìn is the continuation of the song, kereun mogbo nimoya nile aro, alagbede nkirin lona odo, modele aro moseba Ogun onire... the anvil is by the path of the river, where you have rich deposit of iron filings washed up by flooding.

Moseba is to salute the king or the father, so the visitor at the factory saluted the ironsmith who was busy "Kirin", which is forging an iron. Thus irin as in journey is homonym for iron in Yoruba.

Ire, ilo, iro, irin, ije, Isa, ija, Ike, ise, ifo, ige, ire, ikan, Ida, ipin, Iya, iyan: all this are related, drawn from the idea of the most persistent meaning to all the synonyms, which is movement from one place to the other.

This is instructive of the Yoruba history, because iron begin it's journey from the process of extrusion to it's final stage, oje or irin. That state is it's solid and final stage.

Now we can refresh on the conclusion of Oba Ado in the path of Ifa that says "awa d'onile bi ado, a digba oke, a le gboingboin". Hence our fathers were reckoned awonrin.

West coast harmony

The treasure box of the Yoruba history also contain obiri oloja. Iri was the vision statement, ìrìn was their mission in quest of the original vision. Obiri oloja is akin to obiri Yeboa.

Olu317:
Lol. Seriously, I can't waste my energy on someone who thinks, he knows more than I am but practically empty. Nigeria is the only place, where I see a lay man claims he has knowledge on what he doesn't! This is shocking to me but I know that a haughty spirit dwell heavily in such people's heart in such a way that Macof represent these people in that capacity. So how do I go along with such a person? This is Practically impossible but I have to show the dormant members whose intebruon to learn and not someone known with vulgar words, yet he claims, he is Iwa worshipper! Thus show that lying seeker of Hebrew knowledge is absolutely ignorant on the path he seeks.


Howbeit, Barzel is accepted as Iron by the English language interpreters because of their understanding of the Septuagints information which I found out as not in existence within Yoruba's lexicon until I realise that the word are combination of descriptive process. Barzel ,sjmply broken down as :

Ba- bend

Ri(ry)- iron

Zan- (Z-English of England origin)S-English of America's origin) zi or si- existing

el- mighty

In Yoruba's:

Ba : bend

Ri: iron

Si : exist

ele: strong

This word is a description of a particular iron which is , ‘ bend or create a mighty or strong iron'; iron made as a weapon.This is the purpose of the descriptive word for this particular iron. So, I know, he thinks Barzel is not same as cognate with Yoruba's description of iron, which I mock that lad because he practically thinks, I am philander of pseudo writing he does.

Sincerely, I mock at Macof ignorance because, he thinks, Classic Hebrew are for antagonist or ignorant lot,who pick words out of ignorance without understandings the descriptive nature of the classic Hebrew language or Yoruba's.


Note:

You do have a great point in all your information, which I learn some tangible information but an isolate language which is non existence in the world is importantly a language one wboy claims it exist must be vastly read to prove the existence of the root words, ideographs , obelisks or Alphabets exists in such language, if it is actually true cognates. This is what I have been doing and will be shown to the world at the right time because, it is real. This platform is a tip of the iceberg.



Cheers.

In Legends of the Jews, the Conservative rabbi and scholar Louis Ginzberg wrote that the worship of the golden calf was the disastrous consequence for Israel who took a mixed multitude in their exodus from Egypt. Had not the mixed multitude joined them, Israel would not have been misled to worship this molten idol. The form of the calf itself came from a magical virtue of an ornament leaf with the image of the bull which is made by Aaron.[6]

The devotion of Israel to this worship of the calf was partly explained by a circumstance at passing through the Red Sea, when they beheld the most distinct creature about the Celestial Throne which is the resemblance of OX , then they thought it was an ox who had helped God in their journey from Egypt

2prexios:
West coast harmony...contd.

Obiri Yeboa is akin to obiri oloja. Yeboa is akin to Oloja, it's a distance memorabilia for Yoba, Yoruba. Of course the Yoruba had their kinsfolk who were native to Togo, the Ana, and possibly there are others.

The tie between Yoruba and the tribes of Ghana is began on the coast, and so the Yoruba kindred in that place were reckoned as nsumfto, that is, people who came ashore from the sea.

The fact remains that the Yoruba had no record of such expenditions, but tradition of the Yoruba had the reminder. Even Agonyin had Yoruba touch, okun le agonyin o we.

Oghán

Agon, iya agon. Compare Iseyin, "ilu ogo kiki egan": Agonyin means praise by some and ridiculed by others. The Egun of Tado, Togo lay in-between. In egun, iron is oghàn, it's homonym for Oghán. The word oghán means leader.

The Yoruba memorabilia for ghana is iganna. In egun, ghanno means the leadership, mother superior. Ghanno can also means operator of machine, The idea is directly from iron derivative.

Semantics

In Yoruba language, Obinrin means female, but literally "metalized" or having metal. On the other hand, okunrin means "male" but literally, "added to metal". It's like iron and steel in that sense.

To have come to this pedestal shows that the Yoruba ancestors had a great understanding of the smelting of iron and other heavy metals at inception, and the philosophy is deposited here.

As we might have known, salted gold is not a pure gold, and steel is carbonized metal. Therefore, Obinrin in the ideology of the founding fathers received the mandate for the emigration.

In literal sense, obinrin means "the original immigrant" and then okunrin implies "back up immigrant". That can be felt in the saying "tin lo ree bawon mule ibudo" or "tin lo ree b'oosa mule"

The interpretations from this is a proof that the visionary leader of the emigrants was a woman, and the missionary back up were men.

If not, the men should have had the land to themselves and not be a missionary to anyone. So that the record would have been tiin lo ree mule ibudo" and "tiinlo ree gbale funra re.

There's this shrine of shighana on board street, Marina, Lagos (it's at a lane somewhere behind the zenith Bank). These wordset are cognates and true reminders of the ewe, (ehufe: ehun-vive) in Yoruba liturgy.

Trans racial and cultural harmony

We have iron as irin in Yoruba. We have been able to get it settled that the word has matching cognates with all it's earliest manifestation in Celtics and Anglo-Saxon variation of the word till date.

Now these folks have neighbors. How about their variant for the same word because just as John Hunter Duvar had opined, iron was a currency of the iron age.

In other words, such cultures whose history trace back to the inception of the iron age could have mindshare that yet survive in their languages till date. Sharing such cognates reveal common hub for the trade.

From old English, isern, isaern, German, isana, Dutch ijza, Celtics isarnom. Someone else should do the job, it's just as Olu has predicted: the cognates are all there, like in the Olu's story about the turkey as tokey or something.

Metaphysical also have a great validation as event now shows, he told us Gersham is ijesha, this place in the Levant lies on the kings highway, the trade route to the Hittites kingdom from India.

This is the corridor of Egyptian civilization and probably the Sinai region was the birthplace of the iron smelting industry, the period coincide with the time history placed the Israelites rise to empire.

Now let's pan out the cognates on the image below, it's clear Israel is a good candidate where iron get into the dialects of the Germanic tongues, which came up much later in world history.

From the list, we can truly understand the fact that Yoruba originated at the peak of the iron age as well. The process of seeing the cognates in the attached image below is such that

1. We can perceive Yoruba like tongues elsewhere in Europe.

2. Mutual agreement of ideas of old on an object of historical reckoning.

3. Further understand that the Yoruba language can help understand Indo-European languages.

4. Likewise, Yoruba could be the missing link to a yet to be determined language of the Levant.

5. The Yoruba had contacts with more languages than most of the languages similar to it.

6. Yoruba hold back historical experience that the list below foreshadow in the background.

7. The list of cognates for iron in Germanic tongues prod Yoruba original home.

macof:
See them running helter skelter.

Arguing that "Al" is "The" in Yoruba what dah hell
And the contuined mission on Ìrìn being cognate with "Iron"

It's as if when you 4 make claims without having any prior knowledge of the issue, you still keep to the claim when shown how you are wrong but switch the style of argument to using the pieces of the very information newly taught to you that debunks the claim

1. The fact that Yoruba words like Alubọsa, Alukurani, Alubarika with "Al" prefixes serving as "the" in their original Arabic meanings are modern loan words from Arabic through Hausa proves further that indeed Yoruba has no "the" just like other Kwa languages
funny guys. Normally your command of yoruba should be sufficient enough to know and accept this without argument but nah, you already committed so now you can't accept and move on to something else, you must run helter-skelter around this because you know the implications of this fact on your semitic nonsense

2. Now using the several Germanic forms of the word "Iron" when the very fact that the word "Iron" has ancient Germanic and Celtic (Indo-European) origin proves that the word cannot be from Hebrew. It is either one or the other
But nah. You already claimed it was Hebrew and you can't accept now that you were wrong

Now its no more just Yoruba - Hebrew connection.. Its now Yoruba - Hebrew - Indo European connection all because you don't want to admit you were wrong to say Ìrìn and Iron are cognates

You can't dismiss the fact but can't accept the fact. What a conundrum. Problem upon Problem

TAO11:

Great points as always. I would like to add (some words of clarification) to to your valid point here that Yoruba language does not have "definite article".

However, Yoruba language does have a word which translantes in English and Arabic as "the" and "al" respectively, but it simply serves the purpose of an affix, rather than a definite article.

This Yoruba word is "náà" as can be seen in the following phrase "ọmọ náà" which translates as "the child".

Again, this word, "náà", is not a definite article even though it translates to "the", "al" in English, and Arabic languages respectively in which these foreign words would double as definite articles.

macof:
See them running helter skelter.

Arguing that "Al" is "The" in Yoruba what dah hell
And the contuined mission on Ìrìn being cognate with "Iron"

It's as if when you 4 make claims without having any prior knowledge of the issue, you still keep to the claim when shown how you are wrong but switch the style of argument to using the pieces of the very information newly taught to you that debunks the claim

1. The fact that Yoruba words like Alubọsa, Alukurani, Alubarika with "Al" prefixes serving as "the" in their original Arabic meanings are modern loan words from Arabic through Hausa proves further that indeed Yoruba has no "the" just like other Kwa languages

funny guys. Normally your command of yoruba should be sufficient enough to know and accept this without argument but nah, you already committed so now you can't accept and move on to something else, you must run helter-skelter around this because you know the implications of this fact on your semitic nonsense

2. Now using the several Germanic forms of the word "Iron" when the very fact that the word "Iron" has ancient Germanic and Celtic (Indo-European) origin proves that the word cannot be from Hebrew. It is either one or the other
But nah. You already claimed it was Hebrew and you can't accept now that you were wrong

Now its no more just Yoruba - Hebrew connection.. Its now Yoruba - Hebrew - Indo European connection all because you don't want to admit you were wrong to say Ìrìn and Iron are cognates

You can't dismiss the fact but can't accept the fact. What a conundrum. Problem upon Problem

MetaPhysical:


I see you got two likes.
Macof, how did this happen?

Now, on a serious note....on the bold, am i seeing right? You projected your bias very openly here. Do the following conform with your conclusion on "Al" being an Arabic cum Hausa loan term?


abode - moderate
Alabode - is this Arabic/Hausa?
(abode/moderate being cognates)

amodi - ill
Alamodi - is this Arabic/Hausa?
(amodi/medic being cognate)

akoro - coronet
Alakoro - is this Arabic/Hausa?
(akoro/coronet being cognate)
(ikarawun/crown being cognate)


Here is more....are all these names borrowed from Arab/Hausa ?


Alamu
Alani
Alake
Alabi
Alade
Alao