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dazzlingd:
Thank very much sir, and please remember me in your golden mansion.

Don't just look down to me in hell and say "ntoor! I no tell you say you go burn last last" but remember to gift me a drop of water to cool my mouth in the everlasting torment...


Now can I enjoy my possession in peace sir, you have done your part.

God forbid!. I have not given you over to hell!. Never!

What I mean is, when you have finally realized the truth, you will remember my words of advice. Please when it happens, do not hesitate to call on the name of Jesus Christ. Only Him can save you. You may not understand that now. I only pray your time remains and that God's grace will be with you still.

Peacefullove:
Ignorance

Answer me first , is it wrong Yes or no

Going by your last analogy of why should a translator change the original text.

Will you now just admit , the rendering of Theo's as ' a god ' in Act 28 vs 6 is pure corruption ?

There's no justification for that. Stop trying to add what isn't there for the almighty God. Is Paul, Herod and Jesus Christ the same?.

Read this text below and stop this Antichrist stance.

The Apparent Difference in Spelling

First of all, the same Greek word is used in both occurrences of the word "God" in John 1:1. This same word is used in many contexts, whether it refers to the Only True God or whether it is referring to a false god - such as a man-made god (1 Cor. 8:5) or Satan as the ‘god of this age’ (2 Cor. 4:4). The apparent differences in spelling between the word ‘God’ in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’ (‘theos’) and in other places, (even in the previous phrase, ‘and the Word was with God’ (‘theon’)) is due to inflection in the Greek language. Each Greek noun normally has 8 or 9 forms (cases & number) in which it can appear. (See my page on ‘Inflection’ and ‘Cases’ on the Web site). In the first instance in John 1:1 it is the object of preposition and thus is in the accusative case. In the phrase in question, it is in the nominative case (indicating the subject or predicate nominative - equal to the subject). But it is the same word for ‘God’, and in both phrases here indicates the One and Only True God. So the apparent difference is spelling is not because ‘theos’ is a different word than ‘theon’, but is a different form of the identical word.

The Lack of a Greek Definite Article

Another common confusion in John 1:1 comes from the fact that in Greek there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ (‘theos’) in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’. The confusion arises from an assumption that if there is no definite article in the Greek, then it must have an indefinite meaning and thus should be translated with the indefinite article "a". Based on this understanding, some argue that this phrase in John 1:1 should be translated "the word was a god," rather than "the word was God." It is important at this point to understand that the Greek language has a definite article (‘the’), but does not have an indefinite article (‘a’ or ‘an’). In certain instances, when the Greek omits a definite article, it may be appropriate to insert an indefinite article for the sake of the English translation and understanding. But we cannot assume that this is always appropriate. Greek does not operate in the same way as English does in regard to the use of the words ‘the’ and ‘a’. In many instances in which English would not include the word ‘the’, the Greek text includes it. (We don’t see it in the English translations because it would sound non-sensible in our language.) (See Note 1, below.) And in many cases where the Greek omits the definite article, the English translation requires it to convey the correct meaning of the Greek. (See Note 2, below.) Therefore it cannot be assumed that if the definite article is absent, then an indefinite article should be inserted. (For a clear illustration of this, see an example of the use of the word ‘God’ and the definite article in John chapter one.) Furthermore, even though the Greek language does not have an ‘indefinite article’ like we think of in English, there is a way in Greek for the writer to indicate the indefinite idea and thus avoid confusion. This is done in Greek by using the Greek indefinite pronoun ‘tis’.
In John 1:1 there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ in the phrase, ‘and the Word was God’. However, in this instance, it cannot just be assumed that the word ‘God’ is meant to be ‘indefinite’, and therefore an indefinite article used in the English translation. Because the first use of the word ‘God’ in John 1:1 (‘the Word was with God’) clearly refers to the Only True God, the Eternal Pre-existent Creator, more than likely John would have used a different Greek construction than he did if he had meant for this next phrase (‘and the Word was God’) to refer to a ‘lesser’ god, and did not want us to confuse this with the True God he had just mentioned. If John meant to avoid confusion, when making such a definitive statement, he could have done so by using this ‘indefinite pronoun’ (‘tis’) as an adjective. This would have made it clear that the Word was ‘a certain god’, but not the one he was just referring to. For examples of this, see the verses Mark 14:51, Luke 8:27, Luke 1:5, and Luke 11:1 (among many, many other examples). So, it seems that by the Greek grammatical structure in this statement, John is indicating that the Word (Jesus Christ - John 1:14) is the same essence and nature as God the Father.
(For a more thorough explanation of the function and use of the Greek article (and meaning of its absence), see ‘Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics’, by Daniel Wallace. He includes fifty pages - entitled ‘The Article, Part I’ - which is a more complete treatment of the subject that many grammar books present and explains all the general uses of the article. He actually has a ‘Part II’ which discusses some special issues with the article. Fifteen pages of this second section apply directly to understanding this passage in John 1:1. It is highly recommended for those who really desire an honest and thorough understanding of this passage.)
The Predicate Coming Before the Subject
Also, this phrase in John 1:1 is an example of a predicate nominative coming first in the sentence, before the subject. (Sentences like this one that use a linking verb require the noun in the predicate part of the sentence to be in the nominative case. Thus the phrase 'predicate nominative'.) The subject of this clause is ‘the Word’ and the predicate is ‘God’. In Greek, the word ‘God’ comes before the word ‘Word’. According to normal Greek usage (Colwell's Rule), the word ‘God’ should not have a definite article. Oftentimes, emphasis is shown in Greek by placing a word out of its normal, expected word order. Special emphasis is shown when the predicate comes first in the sentence. In other words, contrary to the thought that ‘since there is no definite article used here it could belittle the fact of the Word being God’, the fact that the word ‘God’ is used first in the sentence actually shows some emphasis that this Logos (Word) was in fact God in its nature. However, since it does not have the definite article, it does indicate that this Word was not the same ‘person’ as the Father God, but has the same ‘essence’ and ‘nature’.
The Context of All of the Apostle John’s Writings
It is also necessary to see this statement in context of the rest of John’s writings. When comparing this with other statements about who the person and nature of Jesus Christ really is, it adds to what is already made clear by the Greek grammar. See for instance: John 8:56-59 (cf. Exo. 3:13-14); 10:28-33; 14:6-11; 1 John 5:20; (also John 8:23; 3:12-13; 5:17-18). These verses also indicate that, in John’s understanding and thus the Bible’s clear statements, Jesus Christ is the same essence and nature as God the Father, but distinct in their person-hood.

https://www.ntgreek.org/answers/answer-frame-john1_1.htm

budaatum:
And so, in response to the above, Q1 would properly be translated to 'god', and not 'God'.

Q2 is generally translated as 'God', though wiki suggests that it could have meant "divine". It seems to depend on whether one is a trinitarian or not as to which one decides to use. Since most Bibles take a trinitarian position, one should expect 'God' to be meant, and not 'god'. There is no original manuscript to determine which was used, but one can determine that God was meant, whether rightly or wrongly. The Jews would argue that whatever was meant, it was not and cannot be God, the Jealous Almighty.

Q3 Christianity generally differentiates between 'god' and 'God'. The latter being the Almighty Jealous God, and the former being any odd god like Ogun, Sango, Odin, Zeus etc.

My brother, please ask this guy to answer the questions I asked him and his colleagues. No matter what you say now, they will twist it. You have to first know what they are fighting to defend and protect.

Because they do not read with context, everything appears as nonsense to them. How can they truly understand the word if God, when they believe that the Holy Spirit of God is just a mere active force. Who can understand the scriptures with mere human logic?.

The original Greek letters translated word for word is the answer, but they've also tampered with it. So we need to go down to the foundation to really know who is who. Because if the root is good, then the branches will good as well, but if otherwise, the branches may look beautiful, but they are not good. Shalom.

OneJ, I do not seek to quarrel with you. In as much as I want you to see the truth. But whereby you twist my words, and the scriptures and turn around again to accuse me falsely is very saddening.

I guess my error here is in not itemizing for you each answer for each question. I will urge you now to patiently read through the text below.

I did tell you that you and the Jws in general from all I have seen, interpret the bible out of context perhaps in a bid to support your doctrine and religious beliefs. In fact this very act led me to wanting to know why you guys do this, only to discover you are not Christians after all.

Now for your questions,

Seeing that for some languages like English, translating the original Greek text without adding some modifying articules, would almost make it meaningless. However, where such is not necessary like the case of John 1:1, there's no need to add one, unfortunately you people did and infact made it a small letter. Another issue here is that if a translator is adding a qualifying article to the text, context should not be thrown outside the window, but you people did!. Hence, according to you, a similar grammayical construct appears in the said verses you gave, and when the article 'a' appears, you justified why it should be in the place given to God in John 1:1?. Why?, because you have a preconceived opinion that Jesus is like every other creature so no special honour should be given Him. But the bible clearly disproved that!. And my question to you was, why did you people add the 'a' in the first case, now let me repeat the reason, it's because you, your likes in believe and who ever translated that your version for you, have a biased believe or do not believe in the diety of Jesus Christ, but the bible again disproves that!. This is what I wanted to get from you, but again, you cleverly dodged it. Rather you began to churn up Wikipedia pages of people who align with your believe as a proof, neglecting those who don't in the same place.

I asked you a question which you know would have exposed your false religion, and put every argument to rest, but you refused, claiming it is derailing of thread. Hahaha... You just wanted the argument to continue. All of these I explained above, I have explained them to you before, but I guess, since I didn't itemize them to you, it means I didn't answer them?. No need to make a noise.

Those questions you guys have refused to answer is just a tip of the iceberg. I can't believe that I actually took you guys as believers in Jesus Christ like the rest of other Christians.

Is god and God the same?. No! What is your point here?. Is God in small letters in the original Greek text?. This is why I ignored you, because you will argue and deny it. If I present my own opinion and links won't you still twist and turn it?. Because your religion supports it. Read the following below and be humble enough to reason. Thank you.

The Apparent Difference in Spelling

First of all, the same Greek word is used in both occurrences of the word "God" in John 1:1. This same word is used in many contexts, whether it refers to the Only True God or whether it is referring to a false god - such as a man-made god (1 Cor. 8:5) or Satan as the ‘god of this age’ (2 Cor. 4:4). The apparent differences in spelling between the word ‘God’ in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’ (‘theos’) and in other places, (even in the previous phrase, ‘and the Word was with God’ (‘theon’)) is due to inflection in the Greek language. Each Greek noun normally has 8 or 9 forms (cases & number) in which it can appear. (See my page on ‘Inflection’ and ‘Cases’ on the Web site). In the first instance in John 1:1 it is the object of preposition and thus is in the accusative case. In the phrase in question, it is in the nominative case (indicating the subject or predicate nominative - equal to the subject). But it is the same word for ‘God’, and in both phrases here indicates the One and Only True God. So the apparent difference is spelling is not because ‘theos’ is a different word than ‘theon’, but is a different form of the identical word.

The Lack of a Greek Definite Article

Another common confusion in John 1:1 comes from the fact that in Greek there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ (‘theos’) in the phrase ‘and the Word was God’. The confusion arises from an assumption that if there is no definite article in the Greek, then it must have an indefinite meaning and thus should be translated with the indefinite article "a". Based on this understanding, some argue that this phrase in John 1:1 should be translated "the word was a god," rather than "the word was God." It is important at this point to understand that the Greek language has a definite article (‘the’), but does not have an indefinite article (‘a’ or ‘an’). In certain instances, when the Greek omits a definite article, it may be appropriate to insert an indefinite article for the sake of the English translation and understanding. But we cannot assume that this is always appropriate. Greek does not operate in the same way as English does in regard to the use of the words ‘the’ and ‘a’. In many instances in which English would not include the word ‘the’, the Greek text includes it. (We don’t see it in the English translations because it would sound non-sensible in our language.) (See Note 1, below.) And in many cases where the Greek omits the definite article, the English translation requires it to convey the correct meaning of the Greek. (See Note 2, below.) Therefore it cannot be assumed that if the definite article is absent, then an indefinite article should be inserted. (For a clear illustration of this, see an example of the use of the word ‘God’ and the definite article in John chapter one.) Furthermore, even though the Greek language does not have an ‘indefinite article’ like we think of in English, there is a way in Greek for the writer to indicate the indefinite idea and thus avoid confusion. This is done in Greek by using the Greek indefinite pronoun ‘tis’.
In John 1:1 there is no definite article in front of the word ‘God’ in the phrase, ‘and the Word was God’. However, in this instance, it cannot just be assumed that the word ‘God’ is meant to be ‘indefinite’, and therefore an indefinite article used in the English translation. Because the first use of the word ‘God’ in John 1:1 (‘the Word was with God’) clearly refers to the Only True God, the Eternal Pre-existent Creator, more than likely John would have used a different Greek construction than he did if he had meant for this next phrase (‘and the Word was God’) to refer to a ‘lesser’ god, and did not want us to confuse this with the True God he had just mentioned. If John meant to avoid confusion, when making such a definitive statement, he could have done so by using this ‘indefinite pronoun’ (‘tis’) as an adjective. This would have made it clear that the Word was ‘a certain god’, but not the one he was just referring to. For examples of this, see the verses Mark 14:51, Luke 8:27, Luke 1:5, and Luke 11:1 (among many, many other examples). So, it seems that by the Greek grammatical structure in this statement, John is indicating that the Word (Jesus Christ - John 1:14) is the same essence and nature as God the Father.
(For a more thorough explanation of the function and use of the Greek article (and meaning of its absence), see ‘Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics’, by Daniel Wallace. He includes fifty pages - entitled ‘The Article, Part I’ - which is a more complete treatment of the subject that many grammar books present and explains all the general uses of the article. He actually has a ‘Part II’ which discusses some special issues with the article. Fifteen pages of this second section apply directly to understanding this passage in John 1:1. It is highly recommended for those who really desire an honest and thorough understanding of this passage.)
The Predicate Coming Before the Subject
Also, this phrase in John 1:1 is an example of a predicate nominative coming first in the sentence, before the subject. (Sentences like this one that use a linking verb require the noun in the predicate part of the sentence to be in the nominative case. Thus the phrase 'predicate nominative'.) The subject of this clause is ‘the Word’ and the predicate is ‘God’. In Greek, the word ‘God’ comes before the word ‘Word’. According to normal Greek usage (Colwell's Rule), the word ‘God’ should not have a definite article. Oftentimes, emphasis is shown in Greek by placing a word out of its normal, expected word order. Special emphasis is shown when the predicate comes first in the sentence. In other words, contrary to the thought that ‘since there is no definite article used here it could belittle the fact of the Word being God’, the fact that the word ‘God’ is used first in the sentence actually shows some emphasis that this Logos (Word) was in fact God in its nature. However, since it does not have the definite article, it does indicate that this Word was not the same ‘person’ as the Father God, but has the same ‘essence’ and ‘nature’.
The Context of All of the Apostle John’s Writings
It is also necessary to see this statement in context of the rest of John’s writings. When comparing this with other statements about who the person and nature of Jesus Christ really is, it adds to what is already made clear by the Greek grammar. See for instance: John 8:56-59 (cf. Exo. 3:13-14); 10:28-33; 14:6-11; 1 John 5:20; (also John 8:23; 3:12-13; 5:17-18). These verses also indicate that, in John’s understanding and thus the Bible’s clear statements, Jesus Christ is the same essence and nature as God the Father, but distinct in their person-hood.

https://www.ntgreek.org/answers/answer-frame-john1_1.htm

OneJ:
The above are the twists & somersaults of Primesky.
The best means to expose false allegations is solid evidence.
Here is the Greek transliteration (word for word translation) of John 1:1 to English, as it is in the Greek manuscript.
Greek:
"En archei en ho logos ,kai ho logos en pros ton theon ,kai theos en ho logos"

English : "in beginning was the word, and the word was with the god, and god was the word"

Source: John 1:1 wikipedia.. (From the sub heading "source texts & translations.).

(i) The first observation is that the texts is small letters.
Primesky lied that JWs changed it & "twisted scriptures out of contexts." Also, he said "how come the small letter for God? Is that what the Greek letter showed you?"

Na him Trinity peddlers remove small letter "god" as eee dey for manuscript & twist am to big letter "God" to make their Trinity lie lie sweet for their own ears.

Nairalanders, una dey see as him dey throw shade & post falsehood & distort the truth?
For John 1:1 , If U check am well well the Greeks
call Baba God Almighty "the god" & come say "the word" na small god. That is the difference: Baba GOD ALMIGHTY na "the god" . Jesus the word na god . But him no be "the god" Almighty Jah.



(ii) Primesky said "the Greek language has a problem with definite & indefinite article placement"
He is a liar & he can twist anything to suit his whim & falsehood.
The Greek language has no problem with the definite article . For instance "The" is used frequently in Greek. John 1:1 says "the word was with the god". "The" stand gidigba for Greek language& for inside manuscript.

You have lied again!. You are the one twisting everything here. Please anyone interested should search for the original Greek word. God is not in small letters. Secondly, the absence of the article 'a' is what has given this false religion a loop hole to twist the scriptures. The absence of the articles, is what has given every translator an independence or freedom to add whatever they choose, adding 'a' where it's not supposed to. If an Antichrist comes to that point it becomes a bonanza for him. Despite seeing the context that it was referring to God, this people because of their hatred for Jesus Christ added 'a' to it which is not supposed to given the context, and all they could do was to equat it with Paul and Herod, thereby putting Jesus Christ on the same level with these mortals. What a shame!.

Say no to Jehovah witness, it's a false religion. Stop lying and blaming others. You can't fool every body. Seek the real Jesus now. I just pray that someday, you oneJ, will come out of this false religion like others have and tell us the whole truth yourself!, yes it can happen. It has happened before and it will happen again!.

OneJ:
Primesky, U see your life? U dey run like Usain Bolt because your posts U made here done expose the falsehood U wan defend.
Based on the posts/ statements U made on this thread (which i quoted) above, I asked U to respond to 3 Questions listed here (Q1,Q2& Q3). ( I no lie against Primesky oo! Make una read & see him posts 4 dis thread.)
Shameless, pathological liar, U dey throw shade to cover up .... Eee no go save U & U no go fit dodge am at all !!
Nairalanders & distinguished guests who follow this thread, can U see how hard, fraudulent & frightening it can be to defend the man made fallacy called Trinity ?
Make una help me beg Primesky to respond to the 3 questions wey make am run pass Usain Bolt.
Honourable men do not disclaim & contradict their posts/ statements on NL, unlike these confused characters who come here to defend what Jesus himself neither taught nor believed in.

May God forgive you for this lies. Those who know the true Christ Jesus will certainly see that you're an Antichrist.

How come the small letters for God?. Is that what the Greek letter showed you?.

Even if it's a child that's translating the verses in acts, He will not think twice to know that apostle Paul or King Herod are human beings, and cannot be on the same level. The Greek language has a problem with definite and indefinite article placement. That's where all these arguments comes in. Different translators and languages add their own part to make sense of the right up. But you and the likes of all those who do not reverence Christ have hung on it to commit such unforgivable wickedness.

The bible even called us humans gods, but we are not on the same level with God or Christ. If any body therefore comes to such a point in translation, does he/she need to be told what applies. You're just a hater of Jesus Christ. You calling to know Him but you don't.

I began this argument with you guys thinking you were Christians with a divergent view, not knowing I was discussing with haters of Jesus Christ. You have lied and twisted scriptures out of context, and you are loudest. Don't worry your lies will go public soon. Bring your defense to the front pages of the section.

For the fact that you can still be denying my responses tells it all.

You have equated Jesus Christ with Paul, and placed them on the same scale, please tell me what else do you expect me to tell a person like that?. Which of your deceptions haven't I answered?.

This is just the beginning of the exposure of your falsehood, wait for it!. I have nothing against you as a person, but you're promoting an Antichrist agenda. Whether you know it or not, I cannot tell.

Non of you agreed to answer my questions, and the only argument you had was that it's not part of the discussion.

For me to keep arguing with people who change like chameleon, alter your own very words, deny your response and shout the highest, tells me more than I can say.

Theirs actually no difference between you (Jehovah witnesses and the Alien believers) you both are claiming that Jesus was created. When the devil has a common front with a supposed believer in Jesus Christ, then there's a big problem. Before we even begin to answer any question, we have to establish who you really are. Those questions you guys refused to answer, we shall see what you will do.

There's no point arguing here, there are few persons viewing it. Let's push it to a front page let the whole world see it. Prepare your self. To tell us some fact.

Once again thank you for showing me who you guys truly are.

dazzlingd:
Chai, You people should let people be... Shey na your demonic possession?

It's OK. You have been informed though. The choice is yours. You will certainly remember these words of caution. May God save you.

Organism000:
You just keep running your mouth talking about Demons yet to you have not met one. And you believe you can advise the person that sees demons.

You are too scared to Astral Project and you just know it must be demonic. This is why you guys are sheep in need or a Savior

I do not even believe you read the whole Bible but i have covered it twice. Yet you want to advise me.

You are just under mind control

It's OK. At least you've been briefed. The choice is yours.

Organism000:
You are actually ignorant of what you are talking about. Do you know me and my history ? Do you even know my age, to ascertain that I am some child that is asking for advise ? You have not experienced Astral Projection, but you want to advise the person who has.

Ordinarily, I would not have dared to try, but I experienced it a couple of times accidentally over 20yrs ago during my Uni days, so you can see I am not some child and I spent decades investigating and then I realize what it was. I got lectures on AstroPhysics in the Astral Plane, and I have been to the Moon, and dive into Oceans during projections and you are here talking about Demons. The Demons you are talking about, I have met demons, and I have fought demons and I still fight them, so if you are scared, do not transfer your fear to me, cos I am not stupid.

When I say Christianity is actually owned by Lucifer you guys do not really know. Not that I hate Lucifer, I do not hate Lucifer, and I do not even hate his Son, Marduk which you know as Satan, I do not hate Jehovah or Yahweh, these are beings who once walked on this plane of existence and forced humans into slavery and killed as they like.

Even as they are no longer here due to the electro-magnetic radiations, they still remotely control many organizations including all religions via their Solid State AI Entity. I am not doubting that they created this simulation and created the human bodies, they did. But just as we create babies, we did not give the babies life, Creator's Life-force is all pervading, so when they designed our blueprint for the Human body they cant create Spirit. Which is why they trap us Spirit in human bodies to generate energy for them, and that is why they created religions so when you call their names, they gain extra life and energy. It is all con job. You guys help them manifest the realities they want. Even the thoughts in your mind are controlled by these beings except you know how to block them.

You want to stay in your parent's basement and advise a soldier in the field because you are too scared to do Astral projection, but you just know it must be demons. You are a coward and also ignorant of the mechanics of the inner world, so do not advise me, I am supposed to lecture you on this.

The story of Jesus is just an allergory of the Astronomical relationship of the Celestial Stars in relationship to the Human Spirit.

What a pity!. You Astra project and think you're still the same person?. You don't know what you've done to your self. Do you think me talking to you, I'm a kid talking trash, or saying what I don't know?. You have on your own opened yourself up for demon possession and control. You may not know the implication of what you've done now.

Witches, wizards and the occult Astra project and truly they see things. But they see lies and deceptions!. How does one expect Satan to tell you the truth about God and creation, more so when you he has been trying to trap now comes to his house by yourself. That prison is difficult to get out from.

I pray you don't realise this too late. Like I said before, it has nothing to do with how old and intelligent you are!. If the angels who see the glory of God directly could be so deceived by the devil, you stand no chance without Jesus Christ, if you like be professor emeritus of all areas of knowledge, you can't stand the deception. Jesus Christ is the light of all humanity, and without Him, man is lost!. Have you ever screamed the name of Jesus Christ in the presence of the said million gods?. Try it and see!.

Jesus Christ is the way.

dazzlingd:
abeg somebody should teach me how to do this astral projection... I want to see things you guys see...biko help a brother

My brother do you really know what you're asking for?. You want to project and see things?.

Let me tell you something. Astra projection is like going to Satan's house, knocking on his door and asking him to let you in so you could see what he's doing. That's it in simple English. But that practice opens you up for demon possession.


Let me tell you that if you do it, you will surely see things. Things bigger than you, lies and propaganda. Excuse me, do you really expect the devil to show you truth?.

The problem is, once you've entered, the devil will shut the doors against you, and no body will come to your aid because you voluntarily went to him. God too will respect your choice. The devil will allow you to fool yourself as much as you want, all the while using you for his agenda, like Otem's case. When you finally realize the truth that you're in a wrong place and want to get out. That's when you will know what you've done to yourself!. Many people who did this are struggling to get out but no way. Be warned!. There's nothing hidden that won't be seen. The question is who is showing you the things you see. You can't be in league with the very person who wants to destroy you.

Please don't put yourself deep into the pit. Jesus came to save us from that guy you're trying to consult.

I pray you make the right decision. Astra projection is demonic and destructive!. Please stay away.

OneJ:
Nobody stops U from opening another thread to discuss another topic or any other topic U want.
But ,as an honourable man (I believe that U are), Pls, use your Church mind to provide answers to those listed questions ( Remove 'a'. from Acts 12:22, is King Herod GOD? this one join ooo !!) These questions are at the heart of this Trinity topic of this thread. Shalom

If all the answers I have given you is not OK, so be it for you. It's clear context doesn't exist in your religious practice. All this is done just to discredit the deity of Jesus Christ. You have failed already, because you all will bow before Him. Twist the scriptures, misquote it as you like, it won't shift the reality.

I thank God so much, because this discussion with you guys have opened my eyes to really see who Jehovah witnesses truly are and what they represent. My concern is for those among you who do not really know what's happening.

I have never seen any group of persons who can twist facts and truth like you guys, including going against context, direct open lies. The naive person will even think you're Christians, what a lie!.

May the God of grace open your eyes like He has done for some among you, who you now call unrepentant wrong doers.

Organism000:
Actually he is an Anti Lie.

I never took that 0tem serious, I am just seeing his posts few weeks now, and most of work he wrote are from ancient books, real true history books, but I do not know these books and I have search for these books.

But my research for Creation and God and Universe, via Quantum Physics and Quantum Cosmology using microscopic coherence of mesotrophic variables in Solid State events proves that most of what he wrote there are true.

I had to research on God/Angels/Demons and Life using Astral Projection when I noticed most of what I researched as a lead student of Quantum Sciences tend to resonate with using the inner eyes to see things that are on different consciousness frequencies outside what our physical ears, eyes, nose, skin and all 5 senses can pick up, so I started using ESP, extra sensory perception as a leading science researcher, then I start Astral Projection into the inner worlds. Trust me I have gotten demonic psychic attacks and I finally understood this world.

0tem is really telling hardcore truth. But I have some curves to where he lost his angel. There is no one God, there are millions of Gods, but few are known.

But what drives us, is what wakes up when we sleep. And with that, all we need is wake up lucidity while we are physically asleep, and begin to know when you are dreaming. When you recognise that you are dreaming, Begin your journey there, you will make good friends, then come and tell me about Religions afterwards.

It will change you forever. Islam and Christianities are called Savior Programs there, designed to worship entities on the other dimensions. When you call their names and worship them, you lengthen their lives. That is what is going on. So, the war you see going on among religions, is fighting for the Soul of those who will call their names and worship them.

I wish they are helping those who call them, the little miracles you experience, some are spiritual loan, others your own energy and the rest, some pastors actually have personal energy coming from the Human Energy fields due to fasting and has NOTHING to do with names of Religous Gods.

The Gods hardly give, they take. And human blood is waged as sacrifice 'When I see the blood, I will 'pass over' thee.

I must stop here.

What?!. You had to Astra project to verify God?. You don't know what you've done to yourself. Astra projection open you up for demon possession and deception. What you've done now is like going to the devil, and asking him if God exist. What we're you expecting?.

It doesn't matter your level of knowledge and intelligence or how many researches you've made, you can't stand the lies and deception of Satan and his colleagues. Satan is tricky and smart. This guy decieved angels who are more intelligent than you. Angels who know God personally and see His glory, were tricked and deceived by the guy, do you actually think you stand a chance against him. No man without the help of God's Holy Spirit and His Word, can stand against the deception of Satan.

By going to him yourself, you have given him the right to mess you up, but you probably won't realise this, because is a deception cleverly carried out.

The million God's you're talking about are fallen angels. These guys are constantly fighting among themselves for dominance and control over territories, but they are united in their efforts to destroy and undo humanity. This they will continue to do until the set time of God for their judgement comes. The lies Otem and many others are propagating, have been prepared long ago for this time (endtime). There is only one creator God, who will soon punish this fallen and disobedient angels, who parade themselves as gods.

The fact that there are historical text about some strange gods should not make them trustworthy. Right from the beginning, these fallen angels have interacted with ignorant men, demanding worship and obedience from men. To see or proof that they are false gods, just call the name of Jesus Christ in their face and watch what happens.

Otem is lying for falsegods he doesn't really know. Ask yourself, why do aliens flee when the name of Jesus Christ is mentioned?. You can research this as well. They're are demons in body forms. Those are what Otem is promoting.

There's going to be a huge alien deception soon, and they've working on it for along time. They've been programming human minds through movies, cartoons, music, adverts and fairytales like what Otem is doing now. They still desire worship from men, and one of the ways they hope to achieve that is to discredit the one true God, disconnect man from Him, then they can harm and destroy humanity. Carefully listen to some of the alien movies, you will see their agenda subtley disclosed.

My dear, please stop that act, repent now and receive Jesus Christ. If you doubt it, next time consciously scream the name of Jesus Christ continuously and sweet what those said gods will do.

OneJ:
Oga Primesky, the first commandment of Nairalaland says thou shalt not derail threads by posting off topic. ( The topic of this thread is. Trinity ,anything else is off topic). I refuse to believe that U want to derail this thread.
Pls, answer the questions listed above. Shalom.

Hahaha... What a clever way to dodge. Answer the questions there. Rather than seek the truth about your religion, you're protecting the lie.

If you don't answer those questions, I will create a thread for it. You guys can't continue to fool people around by claiming to be servants and believers in Jesus Christ. If you would not want to know, others should.

OtemAtum:
Yes, some people think that God's religion is Islam while some think that it is Christianity or Judaism or Zoroastrianism or Buddhism or when Hinduism. If you fall into any of these categories you are so so wrong. God Almighty doesn't have a religion. As a matter of fact, all the gods of religions including Allah, Yahweh, Mazda, Moloch, Eshu are the creatures of God Almighty.
If God should want to be religious, guess what his religion would be- SCIENCE.
Why? Because when God Almighty created Yahweh, Atum, Allah, Vishnu and the rest of his children, he told them to go and make findings of his unlimited work(SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH). THAT'S GOD FOR YOU.

God is the maker of all things. He only shall we worship. Every knee shall bow before Him. The thief and his colleagues must worship Him too.

This is eternal life, that you may know Jesus Christ the Son of God and be saved. Without Him, you're dead.

The devil is a liar!. He will fail so miserably in Jesus name. Amen!.

History (lies) cooked up in hell, packaged with flattery to deceive.

Cheap lies from the lying one.

The almighty God created the heavens and the earth. Mother earth, Mother Nature, mother whatever, is the doctrine of devils, fallen angels who desperately seeks to disconnect man from his source which is the almighty God, Yahweh. Note that lies from the grave cannot sell here.

Jesus Christ is Lord over all realms and kingdoms if the universe. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess Him as Lord and personal saviour.

Fabricated lies of the decievers. The devil is a liar!

Jesus Christ is Lord forever! Repent and be saved.

Let the teenagers flee without looking back!. Flee for your life!. The soul hunters have arrived, they seek for nothing but your destiny, your soul.

Ahh!, children of the most high, your destiny becons and the time of your unveiling is near!. Watch then, for the devil is out to deceive you and to destroy your gifts, with lying words and deceit, to confuse and derail you. Have you not read it as written in the Holy scriptures in Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits

It's time to do exploits, to subdue the wicked one, reject his bribe, turn down and tune out his voice of lies and his words of deceit.

Here comes the enemy, in a bid to deceive and deny you your place in divine plan. Never listen to the voice of lies!. This is the last days, the time appointed, the time of the promise. Therefore stand fast and resist the lies of the lying ones.

Read your Bibles like never before!. For hidden mysteries of the divine will shall be unveiled to you. Do not lose your guard by wallowing in assumptions. The snake is subtle, but his cover is blown away, arise you sons of light and wage war against the enemy of your souls. Victory is yours!

Jesus Christ is the Lord forever!

Sweet words of a liar!. A poison coated with sweet.

He comes with sweet words, yes, with the knowledge of the fallen ones, then he speaks with mesmerizing words to entice the gullible ones among the children of men.

Like flies they rush to see, to look and to hear the words fashioned to impress, but they do not know that their death and destruction is in the making.

O Lord our Lord, sovereign ruler of the Universe, Jesus Christ the master of all things, save your children from these decievers who have come among men like wolf In sheep's clothing.

One of the worst misrepresenteas of God is Mohammed himself!.

If you examine the life of Mohammed from the many texts available, you can only deduce:

He was a warlord who acquired booty, women and power through endless campaigns against neighbouring villages;

He personally took part in beheading Jews;

He tortured Kinana, the leader of the Khaybar Jews for treasure, then had him beheaded;

He then raped Kinana’s young wife Safiyya that same night and passed women around as booty;

He treated captives as slaves and people of the book as second class citizens;

He had a poetess murdered because he did not like her poetry;

He maintained women are deficient in intelligence and are the property of a man;

He stoned women to death for adultery, even though Jesus had banned the practice;

He married a six year old girl named Aisha and consummated the union when she was only nine years old. This has consigned a similar fate to millions of young Muslim girls ever since;

He encouraged his followers to handle young girls which today is considered paedophilia;

He gouged out men’s eyes, cut of hands and feet as punishment for minor offences;

He enshrined slavery in Islam and over 100 million in Africa alone were victims of Islamic slavery.

He condoned four wives for men and unlimited concubines;

He allowed a man to divorce his wife in a trivial manner;

His teachings have led to a rape epidemic in western countries as Muslim men receive no penalty under Sharia law for raping an unbelieving woman;

He taught his followers to break the Ten Commandments of Moses even though he acknowledged Moses as a prophet.

Do you still call someone like this man a prophet of God who should be followed?. No wonder he said he doesn't know where he's going or what will become of him.

With all these Abdugaffar22, I think the first thing to do now is to know the real God, accept Jesus Christ as Lord and personal saviour and be baptized. The confusion you're talking about stays only with those who do not have the Holy Spirit to guide them. It's not a big deal. Repent and receive Jesus Christ today.

OneJ:
Primesky, U said "the reason for having 'a god' rather than just God , is nothing but religious bias. "
Also, U claimed that " 'a' destroys the meaning & intent" of the Bible verse.
My questions for U :
(Q1) Remove 'a' from Acts 28:6, is apostle Paul GOD?
(2) In the Greek manuscript ( Source: john 1:1 wikipedia) of John 1:1 ,is it "God" that U saw there or "god"?
(Q3) In the English language, does "god" or "God" mean the same thing?
Abegi, use your church mind answer all of them ooo!

Answer the questions I asked you and your colleagues first and stop this your rigmarolling up and down. Even if you see you will still pretend or twist it. Answer the questions first, did they happen or not?.

[quote author=Anas09 post=69173624][/quote]My sister, this message scared me to my bones. When it first came around the middle of last year, I ignored it. But it came back again in October, and it was like I will be held responsible if I don't warm people about it. I was almost crying. I had no choice than to do it.

Apart from me, God has also sent many other persons similar warnings, but as it stands, we are not heeding it.

I don't want you to be afraid or agitated. But the fact is, the worst is yet to come. Rain and flooding, fire and violence, economic crisis and political/religious clashes will increase. The last one is the major threat.

The Lord will deliver His people on an individual bases. Let's pray for our land Nigeria. God has a big plan for her, hence the attacks and crises. The church will be purged first. The purging is not fun. May God keep you. Keep warning people even when you sound stupid, preach even when you look like a mad woman. Point out their errors in love and respect, let them curse you, abuse you now, but they will remember them in the coming days. Shalom

Peacefullove:
Continue to expose your ignorance

Is it wrong for a bible translator to translate Theo's as , ' a god ' ?

My ignorance?, really?. And the wise you is asking me if it's wrong for a translator to translate Theos as a god?. We done o! At least fear God.

Why should the translator change the original text?. Either you or one of your colleague directed me to I John 5:7 and called it a corruption of the bible by a translator. So why shouldn't we call this one a corruption as well?.

You guys should answer the questions I asked you about the failed prophecies and confusing changes in your religion. You guys said Jesus is already here, me I can't see him, so please wise person, tell me because I want to see Him, except maybe He is not the Jesus I know.

You guys should also tell us why people are still dying since the said date prophecied by the only mouth pieces of God that dear will no longer exist have come and past long ago.

OneJ:
Your lie lie too much. If "a god" never changed or "destroy the meaning & intent" of Acts 28:6 neither would "a god" in John 1:1 change anything. BTW,why are U still dodging the question: In English, does "god" in the manuscript mean the same thing as "God" which is not in the manuscript?
Besides, your claim "you're saying because Acts28:6 has the same grammatical construct, therefore, it must be the same thing." That's the honest, professional conclusion of
Bible Scholars & experts of Greek language (non of them be JW) who know the language more than U & I. They spoke the truth. Your korokoro lie lie for their head speaks volumes about your credibility..
Why U dey fear to respond to "An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruption" (wikipedia) & the footnote of 1John5:7 ( NKJV with references.(or type in 1John 5:7 in biblegateway.com.).
& the other link, "Exodus 3:14 (chabad.org)"?

You cherish lies so much. You cute a link reporting about the findings and opinions of divergent individuals with their individual biased opinions. Then you pick up only the one that suits you and shout, here it is, this is the evidence, Primesky is a liar!. I feel ashamed for you. My question is, since the bible was translated from the Greek language or text, why did these individuals change it. The argument over there is whether to follow a rule or not to follow a rule in the translation. Why, because the Geek text has a problem of definite and indefinite article attached.

There arguments for and against our position of discussion, but see your reaction, as if the whole world agreed to this. Why don't you mention in the same site, those who oppose your position. What a shame. Your lies will be exposed. This is just the beginning.

Thank God for this thread, because I have now seen that there's more than meets the eye with your gentle approach. I am doing this not for hate or pride. But you guys should be honest to yourselves, and come to the truth.

The fact remains that there are scriptures not included, and there are scriptures modified by the Catholic Church. This is not the problem. If such is found, then go to the original text and translate from there.

What is going on here is that translators from divergent believes and varying opinions, interpret to suit their likings. For instance, why do you have to make the original Greek word for God a small letter and add 'a god'?, why do you change the spirit of God in the original letter to mere active force?. This you and your fellows have done just to deny the deity of Jesus Christ and the person of the Holy Spirit. Anybody who does that is not a Christian, period!.

To understand the reason behind these, one has to know your origin and the source of your information, creed and doctrine. For while the apostles support the teaching of Trinity, I do not know who inspired your position.

OneJ:
Your lie lie too much. If "a god" never changed or "destroy the meaning & intent" of Acts 28:6 neither would "a god" in John 1:1 change anything. BTW,why are U still dodging the question: In English, does "god" in the manuscript mean the same thing as "God" which is not in the manuscript?
Besides, your claim "you're saying because Acts28:6 has the same grammatical construct, therefore, it must be the same thing." That's the honest, professional conclusion of
Bible Scholars & experts of Greek language (non of them be JW) who know the language more than U & I. They spoke the truth. Your korokoro lie lie for their head speaks volumes about your credibility..
Why U dey fear to respond to "An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruption" (wikipedia) & the footnote of 1John5:7 ( NKJV with references.(or type in 1John 5:7 in biblegateway.com.).
& the other link, "Exodus 3:14 (chabad.org)"?

Hahahah... You are always looking for one thing or the other to twist the scriptures. Different persons right from the jaws and pharesses have tried to deny Jesus as God, but the've all failed!. Your two notable corruption what ever what ever actually talks about what?.

To answer the question is to first understand a little about English translations and the foreign texts from which they sprang. Since the Johannine Comma is found almost exclusively in the King James Version of the Bible, then it becomes imperative to know that the Greek text which underlies its translation is the product of someone who never originally intended to publish a Greek text in the first place. That someone was Erasmus, a Roman Catholic priest in the sixteenth century, who initially sought to revise Jerome’s Latin Vulgate. Yet, because he was challenged, and hurried, to produce a Latin-Greek edition of the Bible before another text was planned to come off the press—the Complutensian Polyglot—Erasmus’s effort was not exactly what he had hoped for.

Having only a handful of later Greek manuscripts Erasmus published his first edition of Novum Instrumentum in 1516. It would not be until he published a third edition of his work—renamed Novum Testamentum—that the text of 1 John 5:7 would appear. Initially he was hesitant about including the wording in his work, since he knew of no Greek manuscripts that contained the Comma. A critic of his work, Edward Lee, accused Erasmus of defending the Arians—who were ardent critics themselves of the Trinity—by excluding the controversial verse. Erasmus eventually agreed to include it, if someone could provide manuscript evidence for its inclusion. He was told that Codex 61, a late sixteenth century document located in England at the time, contained the wording he was looking for. He included it in his text, even though he doubted its veracity, and made the point accordingly in his Annotationes (a sort of running commentary expressing his thoughts on his Greek-Latin translation).

Erasmus’s Greek-Latin text, therefore, became the foundation for later translations, including the Geneva Bible (1557 & 1560), Coverdale Bible (1535), Matthew’s Bible (1537), Tyndale Bible (1526), and of course, the King James or Authorized Version Bible (1611). That in itself is not necessarily evil, for as Greenlee points out, the TR (“Textus Receptus,” which stems from Erasmus’s efforts) “is not a ‘bad’ or misleading text, either theologically or practically.” No one will become a heretic by carefully using the TR as a tool to translate the Bible or exegete biblical doctrine. “Technically, however, it is far from the original text. Yet three centuries were to pass before scholars won the struggle to replace this hastily assembled text with a text which gave evidence of being closer to the nt autographs.” 3

http://capro.info/is-1john-57-a-corruption/

Now let me even say that the said verses were not there in the first place, what happened to the other more intense verses like the one Jesus says, I and my Father are one'. Maybe Albert Einstein disproved that?. Again, your citation against the deity of Jesus Christ is neither here nor there. What really happened?. Read up in the above link.

OneJ:
Primesky, make I break am down for U to understand.
John 1:1 manuscript reads : "in beginning was the word & the word was toward or facing (with) the god , & god was the word".
Pls, note these points I will shortly highlight.
In your Bible , it reads " In the beginning.." Addition of 'the' beginning gives it a more precise meaning. Let's move forward.
The phrase "the word" gives a precise identity of some one (we know he is Jesus). The next sentence "..& the word was toward or facing (with) the god..".
From a careful & critical observation ,we see "the word" & some one else, "the god".
We have already known that "the word" is an identity of Jesus. Then,who is "the god"? The Almighty Father. Pls note ,we have two distinct personalities here ("the word & the god" ) side by side (not one entity but two entities). The final sentence reads "& god was the word". Here lies the bone of contention. Pls look at sentence well well. "and god was the word". We already know that "the word" is an identity of some one, Jesus. Also, "the god"
too is an identity of the Almighty Father. Let's be honest "and god..." lacks a definite article 'the' attached to it (that verse did not say " and the god was the word".. Therefore, in that final sentence, " god" is not the concrete identity of any entity. But , it points to a quality that is divine or godlike. Also, note that "was god" na past tense ooo!!!!
More so, John never said Jesus is God. Besides, Christ himself never said he is God. He always said he is the son whom his Father, God sent to save man (unless u wanna twist a Bible verse & put your own meaning). Addition of " 'a' god " gives precise meaning synonymous with scripture. Acts28:6. Ps 82:6. John 10:34. 1Cor 8:4-6. Shalom

Aaah!. brother, take it easy o. You have given it a new interpretation. Please interprete it word for word from the original Greek word. Why do you need to add to give it a meaning?. Can't you see that that addition is giving it a different meaning altogether?. The letter is clear in its own self!. You seem to jettison context in your interpretation. In what context was John describing the word that he said 'and the word was God'?. Can you read in line with the context?. This word has now become flesh, dwelling among men as men!. But He was God from the very beginning, not just 'a God'.

By claiming that Jesus was 'a God', you guys are contradicting your own selves, because it will mean there are two or more Gods dwelling together!, which you claim is not so, neither do we claim that. There's only one God. But since you guys have denied the Holy Spirit of God as a person, how will He now help you guys understand the words of God?. You have been told that only your chief slaves at whatch tower can tell you the truth, and there is the problem!


I have also told you before that while Jesus was on earth as a human being, He always did everything not to glorify Himself. However, there were times when He made some categorical statement that seem to have lost its complete meaning to translation.

Jesus said He is the son of God, and the jews got angery and wanted to stone Him, why?. Look at the verse below


John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


Why would the jews seek to kill Him?, was it just for saying He was the son of God, was it just that?, it's clear from that scripture that the phrase, 'the Son of God' carried some significant meaning which English language could not convey, otherwise how would the jews say He is making himself equal with God seeing that He is a man. There's absolutely no way you guys can deny the deity of Jesus Christ.

Peacefullove:
Stop telling lies. you didn't read the Wikipedia page

If you do, you won't be asking that question at bold

The Wikipedia page says:



The rendering as "a god" is justified by some non-Trinitarians by comparing it with Acts 28:6 which has a similar grammatical construction'[35] "The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead; but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god. "[Ac. 28:6 NIV].


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1


That page went ahead to include many bible versions that added ' a ' at John 1 vs 1.

So until you are able to defend why " a " was added at Act 28 vs 6. Your opinion lacks merit

There is no merit in your argument. The reason for having 'a god' rather than just God, is nothing but religious bias. There is no 'a' anywhere in the original Greek text, so why add it?. Wouldn't that change the meaning?. The quiestion is, why did you guys change the lettering?. To suit what?. Your creed and believe. Go and translate the Greek word, word for word and see what you'll get. Stop lying here. How does that sound in your ears?. And the word was a god?. Stop the lies please.

The sect known as Jehovah’s Witnesses (JWs) began with Charles Taze Russell in the 1870’s. Russell was raised a Presbyterian, then joined the Congregational church, and was finally influenced by Adventist teachings. By his own admission, he had a hard time accepting the existence of hell. He sought out the Bible, and as his "studies" continued, he systematically began to reject the major doctrines of historic Christianity. He ultimately established his own belief system, and in 1879 he started publishing a magazine to promote his beliefs. This magazine was the precursor to today’s Watchtower (WT) magazine, by which Jehovah’s Witnesses are typically known.

In this tract we will examine five topics relating to Russell, the JWs, and their parent organization, the Watch Tower Society (WTS). We will show that the beliefs of JWs are unscriptural, and that both Russell and the WTS are completely unreliable as spiritual guides.

[/color]Is the Watch Tower Reliable?

In 1910 Russell wrote, "If anyone lays the Scripture Studies [short for a 7-volume WTS publication entitled Studies in the Scriptures, hereafter abbreviated as Studies] aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years—if he lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood the Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he will be in the light at the end of two years . . . " (WT Reprints, 9-15-1910, 4685). The WTS maintains that it is God’s reliable mouthpiece to the nations, and it claims to be God’s inspired prophet (WT, 4-1-1972, 197)—and yet its prophecies have repeatedly proven to be false. The only conclusion to be drawn is that the WTS is to be rejected as a false prophet.

[color=#006600] Does it mean that only the watch tower can speak for God?.

Among other things, the WTS predicted the following:

1889 "The ‘battle of the great day of God almighty’ (Rev 16:14) which will end in AD 1914 . . . " (Studies, Vol. 2, 1908 edition, 101).

1891 "With the end of AD 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown from prophecy" (Studies, Vol. 3, 153).

1894 "The end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble" (WT Reprints, 1-1-1894, 1605 and 1677).

1897 "Our Lord is now present, since October 1874 AD" (Studies, Vol. 4, 1897 edition, 621).
Really?, where's He?!

1916 "The six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th day, the 1000 years of Christ’s reign began in 1873" (Studies, Vol. 2, p. 2 of foreword).

1917 "Scriptures . . . prove that the Lord’s Second Advent occurred in the fall of 1874" (Studies, Vol. 7, 68).
1918 "Therefore, we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old" (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 89).

1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures than 1914" (WT, 9-1-1922, 262).
1923 "1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge" (WT, 4-1-1923, 106).

1925 "The year of 1925 is here. . . . Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year" (WT, 1-1-1925, 3).

1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the dates 1914, 1918, & 1925 . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates" (Vindication, 388, 389).

1939 "The disaster of Armageddon is just ahead" (Salvation, 361).

1941 "Armageddon is surely near . . . soon . . . within a few years" (Children, 10).

1946 "Armageddon . . . should come sometime before 1972" (They Have Found a Faith, 44).

1966 "Six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E" (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 29).

1968 "The end of the six thousand years of man’s history in the fall of 1975 is not tentative, but is accepted as a certain date" (WT, 1-1-1968, 271).

Besides false prophesies, the WTS has misled its members through countless changes in doctrine and practice:

"To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong ... " (WT, 3-1880, 83). "It is unscriptural for worshippers of the living and true God to render worship to the Son of God, Jesus Christ" (WT, 11-1-1964, 671).

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT, 7-1879, 7-. The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT, 6-1-1952, 338).

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT 8-1-1965, 479). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT 6-1-1988, 31). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Live Forever, early ed., 179). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Live Forever, later ed., 179). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, 985). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! 273).

"There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army" (WT, 4-15-1903, 120). Due to conscience, Jehovah’s Witnesses must refuse military service (WT, 2-1-1951, 73).

"We may as well join in with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event [Christmas] . . . " (WT Reprints, 12-1-1904, 3468). "Christmas and its music are not from Jehovah . . . What is their source? . . . Satan the devil" (WT, 12-15-1983, 7).

"Everyone in America should take pleasure in displaying the American flag" (WT Reprints, 5-15-1917, 6068). The flag is "an idolatrous symbol" (Awake!, 9-8-71, 14).

A much longer list of such contradictions and doctrinal twists by the WTS could be formed, but this suffices to remove any reason one might have to believe that "It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant scriptural counsel to his people . . . " (WT, 5-1-1964, 277). If that is the case, who is to say what will be taught tomorrow?

Cc. Can OneJ, Reofidelio and peacefullove tell us what is happening, why the confusion?.

The history of the Jehovah's Witnesses from Charles Taze Russell on is filled with a long list of failed false prophecies, changed doctrines and ruined lives! Shocking as it may be to Jehovah's Witnesses, in 1939 (Watchtower, 11-15-1939, p.339) they were taught God "commands all to worship Christ Jesus" and God grants salvation "only to those who obey him." That made the "worship of Christ Jesus" necessary for "salvation" in 1939! Today worship of Jesus, though scriptural, is considered idolatry. Consequently, that means the 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses were actually idolaters and didn't go to heaven as taught, but instead to the lake of fire (Rev. 21:.

Please why did your organization change this along the way?.

https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/jehovahs-witnesses-answered.htm

Cc. Peacefullove, oneJ, Reofidelio

Peacefullove:
Stop telling lies. you didn't read the Wikipedia page

If you do, you won't be asking that question at bold

The Wikipedia page says:



The rendering as "a god" is justified by some non-Trinitarians by comparing it with Acts 28:6 which has a similar grammatical construction'[35] "The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead; but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god. "[Ac. 28:6 NIV].


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1


That page went ahead to include many bible versions that added ' a ' at John 1 vs 1.

So until you are able to defend why " a " was added at Act 28 vs 6. Your opinion lacks merit

Mr OneJ stop twisting the truth here please. The original Greek text doesn't have that article 'a' in it. Different languages and translators add it to make sense in there own language but it destroys the meaning and intent. Do you ever use context in your speech and wrighting?. You're saying because acts 28 vs 6 has the same grammatical construct, therefore it must be the same thing. But clearly they not!.

Apart from the JWs, there are other religions which do not believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God let alone God. So having other interpretation and version makes no sense to me. I had thought you guys were Christians before but I was wrong. A totally different religion built on lies and deceit and you aren't even aware of it. I will not argue with you like this anymore since I now know what you guys do and what you represent. I have always had a false knowledge of JWs. I know you guys and not telling the absolute truth but not like I have seen. You can twist and lie to defend your position.

I will hence forth be posting the lies and deceit of this cult. Not for hatred or anything like that, but for your own benefit. Some of you don't even know what you are into.

From those who have been with you and those who have extensive research of your falsehood. I wish you would be humble enough to read the materials.

For the fact that my own words and point here are being deliberately twisted and misinterpreted means we will never make head way. I want you guys to disprove the lies your religion teaches you. Please be honest. Thank you.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5719164060696576/jehovahs-witnesses-taught-lie-but-then-lie-about-lying

OneJ:
Primesky, this is for your attention. Pls, check & research the links above. Shalom.

Hahaha... OneJ!, Wikipedia is your proof?.very well I have read that page and nothing different from what we are doing or saying here. Different religions and creed claiming to have the correct version. The ultimate question is, how was it originally in the Greek text from which it was translated?. If I start showing you links, I hope you can read them?. It seems you have enough time so let's go. Please anybody else reading this conversation and wondering what to believe come along, go through this links as well.

1. http://www.ukapologetics.net/08/john11.htm.

My question to you is, if the Original Greek language does not have the 'a' in it, why add it?. How would anybody conclusively say this is what they mean. Translate the bible the way it is in the original text.

2. The original Greek text without any addition and translated is clear and easier to understand even in English.

http://biblehub.com/text/john/1-1.htm

Like someone rightly said:

The Gospel of John, as well as the rest of the bible teaches us that there is only one God. If the text of john 1:1 were to be interpreted "a god" that would imply either henotheism or polytheism; this would be inconsistent. [Not only that but if Jesus were "a god" and not God then wouldn't honoring him in any way would be in direct violation of the second commandment.]

John 1:1 in a literal translation reads thus: "In beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and God was the word." Notice that it says "God was the word." This is the actual word-for-word translation. It is not saying that "a god was the word." That wouldn't make sense. Let me break it down into three statements.

1. "In beginning was the word..."
(en arche en ho logos)
A very simple statement that the Word was in the beginning.
2. "and the word was with the God..."
(kai ho logos en pros ton theon)
This same Word was with God.
3. "and God was the word." -- Properly translated as "and the Word was God."
(kai theos en ho logos)
This same Word was God.

Regarding statement 3 above, the correct English translation is "...and the Word was God," not "and God was the word." This is because if there is only one definite article ("ho"="the" in a clause where two nouns are in the nominative ("subject" form ("theos" and "logos", then the noun with the definite article ("ho"="the" is the subject. In this case "ho logos" means that "the word" is the subject of the clause. Therefore, "...the Word was God" is the correct translation, not "God was the Word."1 But this does not negate the idea that John is speaking of only one God, not two, even though the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that Jesus is "a god," or the "mighty god" as was addressed above.

George

Quoting the sahidic Coptic bible is neither here nor there because they too believe in what you believe about Jesus is that the proof then?. Do we expect them to also translate like us?. The argument and fight against the deity of Jesus Christ started right when He was still here on earth, so no big deal. The fact is, why do you have to add to the original text, that's what the Coptic did too because their language supports it.

OneJ:
Prime sky said "what is the meaning of begotten in the original context of the Greek language....?"
The Greek word for begotten is monogenes. The Greek meaning is often applied to mean "one of a kind, one & only, only legitimate child or special child.
The word is used in Hebrew 11:17-19 to describe Isaac, the son of Abraham" .
In a nutshell mono means 'only one' while 'genes' means "born of","produced by".
My question for U: Abraham & Isaac, is theirs a relationship of two equal personalities (as una dey
claim), or is it a Father & son relationship ,like Christ & his Father? The word 'begotten' is strictly applied to Father & son relationships. Both of them are never equal. ( John14:28, 1 Cor 11:3). Primesky, any how U wan twist am, U go expose Trinity as falsehood.
Source: monogenes (wikipedia)

Nice one from you. So can Abraham then say Isaac was created?. Let's leave the equal first we will come back to that. Can you say in the relationship between Abraham and Isaac, that Isaac was created by Abraham?.

If the bible calls the angels sons of God and then calls Jesus 'the only begotten Son, can you still say He was created or He is in the same class as the angels?.

I gave you an example using water, and I clearly told you that just the same way as water exist in three states, with liquid water being the prime head and yet they (water, vapour and ice) are one and the same! Again, I told you that you as a person, you're a trinity; because you are a spirit having a soul and dwelling in a body. This you have clearly denied, refused and misinterpreted. What more can be done for you now?.

In the trinity God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one and the same, from one source, existing in three distinct bodies. In this Godhead head, God the Father is the Supreme.

Everything the devils are doing in like manner is simply copying what has been, what they've seen, however they do it to attribute worship to themselves. The devil always wants to be like God but he can't!. God has demonstrated His nature in us, by making us a trinity. Man is the only known creation of God having body, soul and spirit, three distinct personalities in one, yet the spirit of man is the Supreme head. You guys should stop trying so hard to deny the diety of Jesus Christ.