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Riofidelio:
You can read from any translation of your choice, it's the same Bible the few variations is dew to the differences in the mindset of translators.Remember that most of the former translators are either Catholics or Protestants so while interpreting the inspired writings their beliefs are reflecting in their translations.But a thorough digging in God's word with meditation and prayer you can unravel the sacred secrets. The DEAD are of no use to God that's why they must be resurrected back to life first before HE could have anything to do with them. Act 24:15 compared to Revelations 20:13 HE is God of the living who has no business with the DEAD.Luke 20:38 "Hellfire" was a misinterpretation of the word "Gehenna" which connotes "complete destruction" not a place where the dead remains with their senses! Every information in them is gone at death their love,hatred,business and everything else they can feel is NO MORE! Ecclesiastes 9:6 The lake of fire is the "second death" it simply means direct annihilation by God HIMSELF not the "first death" inherited from Adam which affects everyone both the righteous and unrighteous. The lake of fire or second death encompasses all that God doesn't wish for{evildoers,rebellious angels,death and grave yards} all of these will be no more as they're making life miserable for those that God created in HIS image and wanting to remain virtuous like their Heavenly Father! Revelations 20:15 The theory and ideology of burning or torturing people alive came from wicked pagan thoughts but God said "IT'S EVIL.... SUCH A THING HAS NOT COME INTO MY MIND" Jeremiah 7:31

Are you then saying Jesus Christ himself lied?. Because He talked more about the punishment of hell than He talked about heaven. Do you believe Him?, if you do, do you think He missed it by saying so?. Is Jesus Christ also a pagan?.

No man should be deceived by this. If you die without Jesus Christ or being born again, you risk hell fire. No amount of wishing it away or misinterpreting the scriptures will do. If there was nothing terrible to avoid, then Jesus wouldn't have come. Eternal death has with it every kind of pain and sorrow anybody can think of including fire. Fire is only one of such. Better behave yourself and seek the grace of God in other not to go there.

tomakint:
You keep getting it twisted with your illustrations, you must understand that for the mere fact that Humans are tripartite beings made up of Body, Soul and Spirit doesn't make God Almighty so. The origin of Trinity Doctrine is enough for you to know that it is not Biblical. If you are still arguing on this, then you will do well to explain to us what the Bible was saying in the Book of Revelations chapter 5 verse 6 when it mentioned the Seven Spirits of God. You must understand that there is no mystery whatsoever attached to the Doctrine of Trinity as widely said but just confusion. If you think I am joking, try to ask 10 different members of your church where you fellowship who are workers and seek their opinions on The Trinity I can assure you that you will be shocked at their submissions. Try it and see.

If God made me and you a tripartite being, and then said to have made us in His own image, that gives us a clue of the reality. God's capacity on this scale is higher. I see your mind is made up on this. I have no intention to argue with a brother. How the unsaved can be saved is my primary concern here.

Neither you nor me know it all. We are still learning about God, in fact, no one angel knows everything about God, they too are learning and discovering Him continually despite being there for many ages. The deep things of God are communicated on a one on one basis. The closer you draw to God, the more mystery He reveals to you. For me, there are somethings I'm not even allowed to say in the open. You probably have yours, I don't know. It's just personal knowledge. Why?, we have believers of different levels of knowledge. Ultimately, let's try and make it home first (heaven) our Heavenly Father will show us more things and sure we will understand it better by and by.

dalaman:
You are a liar! Most of this statements have been debunked as empty lies by Christians who want to promote their religion of lies.

No argument bro. You have heard the gospel message and you're now being given a chance to make your choice. You choice is absolutely yours. You have no excuse. I only wish you come to the saving grace and knowledge of Christ. Time is of the essence.

Jesus Christ is the way.

Riofidelio:
I know it will always be wrong before a trinitarian like you, but carefully read through my comments again you'll see that it's you that's getting it all wrong. I never said we can get to the Almighty without Jesus! In fact nobody can see God without Faith and their was only works before Jesus came, it was Jesus that brought faith, all those who lived before Him appeased God through virtue but after the arrival of the Messiah (Jesus) you must work in harmony with what God's son taught else all your virtue will be equated to filthy rags! That's why Jesus said of all those Born by man none is greater than John the Baptist(because none of them saw the means of salvation which is Jesus) but the lesser one in the kingdom is greater than John(because John did not learn from Jesus neither was he baptized with the holy spirit which only happens after Jesus' ascension to heaven) Matthew 11:11

I agree with you on this one sir.

Although, I wish we wouldn't be arguing about anything here, but that matter is very important. I know you are looking at it from an angle, and I am looking at it from an angle obviously different from you.

Do you agree that you as a single person, you're a trinity made up of body, soul and spirit?.

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm well now consider this explanation, first death means the death inherited from Adam which is upon both the righteous and the unrighteous even all ancient faithful men were affected. The second death means whatever God didn't include during creation that must be destroyed, that is why those whose name were not found in the book of life were cast into it including death and hell(grave) because God didn't plan to have disobedient humans in paradise neither death nor do we need to bury people! Malachi explained how your name can enter the book of life. Malachi 3:16 God had NO program for dead people unless those living. Yes God considered all of Adam's children dead because we've inherited sin and death from Adam. Matthew 8:22 but after Jesus' ransom sacrifice God confirmed that we can now become living again because Jesus has paid for our sins. Matthew 27:51-53

What?!. What kind of bible are you reading?. You mean after all I showed you from the bible, you could still be saying this. Don't believe me, but will you also doubt the very scriptures?. Ahhh!. May the Lord have mercy.

Maybe I'm not understanding you. What exactly do you mean by God has no plans for dead people?. Is it that Jesus died for some and didn't die for some?. When you talk about the dead who are you talking about?.

In fact, by your position, you're limiting the work of grace and salvation which the Lord Jesus came to do.

So from your explanation of what first and second death is, you mean that because Jesus died for us, so everybody is automatically alive?. If that's your position then you're wrong. This life is giving to them that accept Jesus Christ as Lord and personal saviour. If any man refuses to do it, that man will remain dead and will still die the natural death, and such a soul will be cast into the everlasting flames. See this passages below.


Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Excuse sir/ma, with all due respect, what could have happened in the above passages?. How come these dead saint remained in the grave there until Jesus died and then they came out?. Here below is the explanation.

I Peter 3: 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

What spirits were in prison and what was that prison?. Why did Jesus have to preach to them since you say that God has no plans for the dead?. Can't you see here that God is fair?, after Jesus preached to the living on earth, he also went to hell to preach to the spirits in prison, remember what I told you about hell being like a waiting place or cell for criminals awaiting sentencing. What do you think He was doing in the grave for three days?, was it because He loved the grave?, no! But you see, God hid this plan from the devil, because if the devil had known that killing Jesus will bring freedom, authority and salvation to lost souls and also bring them back to life in God through Christ, he would have done everything to ensure Jesus was not crucified or killed. But he didn't know, so don't expect to see it prophesied word for word in the old testament, but God had it all planned out right from the beginning.

From the above scriptures, you see that you're clearly wrong about that statement of God not having any program for the dead. No soul in hell now, will say I'm here because I never knew about Jesus or I never new about God, well, some may claiming no body told them,
but they have the witness of God within them. Everybody is giving the opportunity of hearing about the Salvation of God which brings the life of God back to any dead soul. If any man dies now, without receiving Jesus Christ, he has obviously made a choice, and will suffer the consequences. Hell fire exist for the sturbon and disobedient, and heaven exists for the obedient, righteous and born again individuals.

ifenes:
Showing of mental weakness,Portraying the emotions of lack,hence you receive an abundance amount of lack as a reward. It’s law of attraction. You are always attracting something through feelings, be it negative or positive. Affirmation rather than begging/preying

If that's your answer, then sorry, you failed it. In fact, you had an F9 Couldn't you even consult the dictionary?. SMH

Prayer simply means communication with God. It is asking or making a petition or request for help or assistance from God. It can also be just fellowship with God. Communication is a two way thing, if you ask or request from God, He too, responds to you.

However, it's erroneous to think or suggest that prayer is an alternative to taking action. In fact, a prayer of faith without works is dead, the bible clearly state that. Prayer should not and has not any way encouraged laziness. This should be corrected and not to say prayers don't work. That's satanic advice.

The problem with our generation today is that we continue to misbehave and sin, and then expect that we can still call or pray to God and He will answer. It doesn't work that way. God demand absolutely obedience from us. So if prayer is not working, the one or the persons making the prayer, must do self check on God's terms, with God's yardstick of evaluation, not yours or your pastor's. This is what the bible said with regards to prayers not being answered.

Isaiah 59:1 Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

Are the above happening in our society today?. Yes!

Calling for prayer in the time of need is not bad, neither is it something new. The challenge is, calling for prayer without due and sincere repentance when that is absolutely necessary, will amount to nothing!.

Prayers work, and that's why I laugh at people who say don't pray, or prayer doesn't work. That you haven't experienced it doesn't make it ineffective. let me tell you just one of my own many experiences about the effectiveness of prayer. I should have been using glasses now because I had an eye problem shortly before sitting for my WAEC exams, but one day in 2006, at 10pm one night, no pastor, no bishop and I didn't even fast nor did I pray for an hour, just simple request about my eyes that I made to God, the next thing, I felt a hot liquid (not physical) flowing down from my head down to my eyes, after that minute, I could use my eyes, I could see clearly without glasses, from 2006 till now!. And that's just one of many. Anybody can pray to God and get answers, you mustn't even go to see any GO or bishop, God is there for you, except your faith is small or you don't believe in Him. He is your Father for crying out loud!. Don't you request something from your Father?, don't you communicate with your Father?. Prayer is not only demanding, you can worship God in prayers as well.

Now, anybody campaigning against prayer is directly an employee of the devil whether he/she knows it or not, that's why we must be careful what we say. The devil will give anything to ensure that our communication with God does not continue, so you can't get help when he attacks you or your defense is weakened at such moments. No child of God should ever believe the lie that prayers don't work. True, in some cases the answers might be delayed for your own good or for the glory of God, but there will always be an answer. And the answer will not always be yes! Take note. Sometimes the answer will be no.

Prayers work! God still answers prayers.

Riofidelio:
The Trinity is a borrowed pagan doctrine, it's just like the twin God in Yoruba land,it's two in one God and they're coequal. But in reality Jesus is totally a different person from His father and this He made clear repeatedly, it's trinitarians that are looking for texts in the scriptures to support their pagan beliefs! Matthew 28:19,20|John 1:1,10:30,14:9 none of these verses explicitly stated that Jesus and the father are one single personality. There is one reason Satan is propagating Trinity, it's to stop honesthearted people from exercising faith in Jesus. How do i mean? We are to believe in Jesus as God's son, learn obedience through Him and exert ourselves to imitate Him in thoughts, words and actions.1Peter 2:21 Of course all these will be impossible if we're seeing Him as the Almighty God Himself so there won't be any reason to exert ourselves since we can't be like God 1Corinthians 2:16 That's why different religions are claiming Christians today but having contradicting doctrines and conflicting theories as they can't grasp the significance of the coming of the Messiah which is simply to "imitate Him" so God could receive us as sons too! So the Trinity theory is from the Devil who's mission is to make everything seems complicated before a layman who has no longing for sacred matters. 2Corinthians 4:4

Hmm... I respect your opinion, but you're wrong, absolutely wrong. You're simply confusing the whole thing, to think that we can come to God without Jesus Christ is completely wrong and impossible!. For Jesus Christ also said it himself that no man can come to the Father, but by Him. The whole argument about the trinity of God is born out of ignorance. How can you, a trinity yourself, only on a lower level and capacity, be arguing so blindly?. If you don't understand the things in this world, how can you understand, the things of the spirit?.

Again, let me ask you too, who was Jesus and what was His name before He came to earth?.

Who created the Universe?. Please, kindly answer these questions.

Do you even know that man is a tripartite being, made of body, soul and spirit?. A three in one personality, yet the principal being is the spirit. So man is a trinity as well. Does that make man three different persons?. I don't understand the blind arguments about this obvious truth. Those who are wrong are the ones insisting on being right. This is indeed a season of deception. The bible told us that Jesus is the visible image of the God head. When Philip the Apostle, asked Him to show then the Father, Jesus said to them, whoever have seen Him, have seen the Father, so why are asking me to show you the Father again?. After the birth of Jesus Christ as a man, He totally refused to glorify himself being in the form of man. Jesus Christ cannot do a thing without the Father, why?. They're one, but one is the head. In comparing the body, soul and spirit of man, one is the head, which is the spirit of man, both the body and soul must depend and work with it. But can any body say they're three different entities?. The three of them,make up the man. If you dare take one away from the three, then man is not complete. This is the same thing the devil is trying to do with God. Imagine that trinity is possible with man, then how about the almighty himself who made us that way, in his own image?.

When God wanted to create man, how did He say it?. Didn't He say, let us make man?, was He referring to other different God's?. No!, it was still Himself!. Please, if you don't understand this mystery, it's better you stay away, than to assume. Because you could mislead people unintentionally. Never try to interpret the bible with mere head knowledge, if you do, you would never get it correct. One must depend on the Holy Spirit to guide and interpret it. Not everything that sounds plausible and appear ok is correct.

frank317:
A three headed red elephant created everything and not God

Your choice is yours.

ifenes:
Under no circumstances should you use the word “ Prayer” whichever way you see or use it, prayer is a sign of weakness and helplessness, allowing yourself to become a “PREY”. A prey to to negative predators( on soul levels)who might use you as a vessle if you allow it. It’s more like turning yourself into a “ sucker” in your neighbourhood and therefore becoming a prey to predators who will take advantage of you.

Firstly you must know what and whom exactly you are praying. Prayer is like a contract, terms and conditions . Anything El, Elohim, Allah are Energy frequency imposed on you and must you must run away from. I’m talking about Esoteric Energies. These are Energy feilds people on this planet are contracted to. You follow their terms and conditions and become a prey to them, letting them do to you whatever they wish. They feed from your thoughts, emotions and Energy fields. Imagine the amount of Energy fed to the Energy beings called Allah and Yahweh. These are parasite entities that feed of your energies from the shadow.

Let’s look at the 10 commandments for example. A follower of Yahweh is meant to follow these laws and once this fellow breaks any of these laws he automatically feels remorse, you give your power to that energy to manipulate you which ever way it feels. You become a Prey.

Everything that happens to us first happens on Enegy levels. I’m sure lots of people ain’t aware of that. Let’s say you are praying for £20, the spirit you are praying to doesn’t actually know what £20 is but since you are in that energy vibration of needing £20, it will make you to always need £20. You have become a prey in that sense.

The Gods of religion are Enegy vibration ignorant humans have been being subjected to. They will always give you the Enegy vibration which you are while praying, hence it’s really dangerous to prey or beg. Otherwise they gonna make you more realities of being a beggar.

Understand that you are Gods. Rather than prey, make AFFIRMATIONS. MAKE THE ENERGY WORK FOR YOU! Stop bowing to gods/ spirits you do not know. You are like a radio that has the ability to pick up radio station based on the frequency you tune to. Worshiping, praising, Prey-ing is selling your soul to someone else. Be wise !

What is prayer?.

There's too much suspicion about the Fulanis, hence such suggestion is not going to help. Attention must quickly shift away from the Fulanis. I am not campaigning against the North either, a political compromise must be made particularly by the politicians from the North to daus the tension brewing in the country along ethnic and religious lines.

The hausas or middle beltans should be allowed to contest. Anything Fulani should be rested for now, instead, building of trust and understanding should be the focus of the people of this ethnic group.

The average Fulani man or woman may not be hostile, but we have very mindless and coldblooded Fulani politicians that needs to be expired. My humble opinion and suggestion.

Riofidelio:
You're just one of those unknowingly following the teachings of Greek mythology but thinking they believe the Bible. Well let's get this straight with the aid of the scriptures, please don't concentrate on what the churches are spreading rather let God's word guide your thinking and utterances! Now my question to you: What is the "first death" and why must death and HELL be cast into the LAKE OF FIRE which is the "second death"? Please don't judge with presumption but answer so let your reasonableness put me to silence and not your popular Church doctrine remember the road to life is not wide where everyone can easily find it!

What is the first death?. Read the piece above. I clearly explained the first death and the second death.

Why is hell and death destroyed?. You can't understand this except you understand the difference between the first death and the second death. According to John 5:12, he that has the son of God (Jesus Christ) has life, but he that has not the son of God, has not life. Despite the fact that the individual is still working and breathing in the eyes of humans, but in the eyes of God that man is dead because of sin. And if such a person now dies the human natural death without receiving Jesus Christ, the life he really needs, his soul automatically goes to hell where it will wait for final judgment, thus continuing in the second or spiritual death. The first judgement has been passed which brought him to hell in the first place. It's like an accused in cell waiting for final judgment or sentencing. But everybody knows this guy is a criminal. All we want to hear is how severe his punishment will be, that's all!.

Why is hell and death destroyed?. In the piece above, I explained to you that the second death or spiritual death, which is not perceptible to the human eyes, is eternal separation from God. That's the most painful experience any spirit can ever have. We cannot explain it because we haven't had it. But those who are privileged to have a chance of coming back from the dead to warn people, all tell of the most horrible feeling of hopelessness, pain and fear anybody can imagine. A feeling that never ends, because, the soul never vanishes from existence.

The death you know and can feel, is the one that kills the body, trees, animals and any other thing that dies. It's a spirit itself. With everybody now in their spirit body either good or bad, that spirit of death can have absolutely no power over any other spirit, because all men are in their spirit body or in their glorified body which this spirit of death can not handle. And since God will cleanse the entire universe from all that is evil, where will this spirit be?, of cause it can't be put in heaven. It will be cast into the lake of fire, more like the dustbin of God, where all useless and unwanted things are thrown away.

What about hell?. With everybody now finally sentenced or judged, there will be no need for a waiting place, all will be thrown into the main thing, which is the lake of fire. By the way, the lake of fire is unimaginably hotter than hell. No one is there yet. There are some dead souls which are not in hell yet, but will also be cast there.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Just like, there are criminals who are not in cell right now, but once they are caught, they'll be put directly after judgement into kirikiri maximum prison. Just like you have life sentence on earth, so you have eternal judgement after death. And the punishment of sin is that judgement. The difference is that you can't die, but you'll forever suffer the pain, just imagine how hot the earthly fires are, let alone lake of fire!. Also, there cannot be any pardon. Because, sin can only be cleansed by a sinless blood, so it's not just about saying alright, I forgive you.

The Lord has decreed and it can not be changed, blood must be shed. And spirits have no blood, so where can that blood come from?. That's why if any body dies without receiving Jesus Christ while he/she is still alive in the flesh, he cannot by any means be saved. If God wants to pardon any body, He sends them back into the flesh to get cleansed. Understand this mystery. So this is the right and best and only time to receive Jesus Christ. After death, it becomes too late, and what follows after is eternal punishment.

Ranchhoddas:
Will this freewill be in heaven?

Freewill exists in heaven. I know where you're going. No angel or spirit will see the kind of punishment God has prepared for Lucifer and his colleagues, and dare to repeat that nonsense again. No one!. Men are still arguing simply because they've not seen it. Even Satan has not seen what is prepared for him, but he knows it's terrible, and it scares him like nothing else.

So yes, there will still be free will in heaven. But sin won't come there again. If any spirit or angel tries it, they know what will happen to them already. So right now everyone fears God as much as they love and reverence Him.

Picture what happened with Lucifer like this. He was very close to this great, loving and merciful God. Over a long period of time since he was created, he hasn't seen this God get angry or act harshly, besides, he is one of the very closest to God of all the angels, and full of beauty, so God can not really do without him, at least so he might have thought. If the worst happens, he will apologize. Meanwhile, while all these was going through his mind, God knew, but was just silently watching him closely. Then from mere heart desire, he started campaigning for loyalty among other angels. He began diverting their focus from their maker and God. When all the angels as it were, had made their choice, some agreed with Lucifer, some didn't. Then God commanded them to be cast out. It would have been like a dream to Lucifer and his colleagues. They fought hard to stay back in heaven, no apologies will be accepted, sin and rebellion must be punished,some one will be used as an example not to mess with God. Note God didn't fight them, fellow angels did!. It's foolishness to take the loving kindness of God for granted, He is also a consuming fire!

During a particular deliverance session someone was conducting, the demons were commanded to leave, all left except one. Seeing that they've lost that battle and are about to be cast into hell by the man of God, he started crying, regretting his action and telling how he missed heaven and was decieved by Lucifer, now if his cast into hell, he will be severely punished by satan for losing that soul, but they can't fight him. But no matter how they plead and cry, they must be cast out!. They're master deceivers themselves, if they lose a soul, the devil really punishes them, so they'll fight to the last strength to keep a soul in bondage.

So, my dear, we will still have freewill in heaven. We won't become robots.

Peacefullove:
Primesky, here you go again. I guess Paul of Tarsus doesn't believe in God too. Due to what he wrote

Your bible said for us there is one God ...The Father or the Trinity ?

Peacefullove, there's only one God! I'm not saying there are two or three, that will be blasphemy. What I am saying is that we have one God who manifest himself in three personalities. He has even given us (man) a clue to who He is or How He is, in that He made us in His own image. Please answer the following questions below.

1. How many are you as a person? That I mean your entire personality is made up of what and what?.

2. Before Jesus Christ came to earth who was He and what was His name?.

Let's start from these two. Please don't misunderstand me. But answer these two questions first, then we can discuss. Thank you.

Riofidelio:
This is the problem religion has caused for you guys. Instead of asking questions to verify if what someone is saying is from the Bible, you'll just continue to argue based on what Greek philosophers spread about life after death. Well to your question "Why did Jesus die?" The Bible clearly said "Through the disobedience of one man all were declared sinners and through the obedience of one man maby will be made righteous" Román 5:19 So Adam brought death upon all of US(Romans 3:23) but Jesus died so as to repay our debt(Isaiah 53:11 compared to Hebrews 10:12) and through Jesus' ransom sacrifice all those who believe in Him will be pardoned! Then you are worried about death as the final and ONLY punishment for sin! So Adam sinned and was told "you will die and return to dust" but can you say God is not a liar if Adam actually died halfway? Then that means Satan is the one saying the truth because he (Satán) said "you will not REALLY die" . My friend the Bible clearly says "souls do die" Ezekiel 18:20. Your Pastor can twist the scriptures in support of their man-made HELLFIRE tradition but God's word is clear that at death man seize to exist in TOTALLITLY . Ecclesiastes 3:19,20 9:5,6,10 Please if you're just scared of hellfire, you can continue with your way of life because there's nothing like hellfire! It's either you live forever or die forever.Romans 6:23 God's plan is for the living, that's why HE arranged for righteous ones who suffered in sickness and died to be resurrected Hellooooo that's what TRUE Christians believe. John 11:23-27 The idea of eternal punishment in a fairy hell is in total contrast with the truth of resurrection! That's why Jesus told first century Jews who believe in this your "Greek" ideology that HE(God) is not the God of the dead but of the living.(Luke 20:38)Why? because HE(God) has HIS own program and it's STRICTLY for the living. So there is nothing as in NOTHING for the dead! When speaking to Adam(a living soul) read Genesis 2:15-25 and see how God was given the living instructions, then read throughout the Bible and point to a single verse where God has one program for the dead! Jeremiah 7:31

This is all lies!. After death, you will either go to heaven or hell. I gave you scriptures and you're still arguing blindly. The dead in Christ, will rise into eternal glory. The dead outside Christ will go into the lake of fire.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

So hell fire is fairytale?. Do you actually mean Jesus was talking fairytale?. I'm suspecting you're not a true believer. Otherwise, how can you deny the words of Christ, and rather twist them to suit you?.

Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Young man, you will give account of your life after death. If you die without being born again, hell fire straight!.no coming out for you. That sounds harsh, but that's the truth, and that's why Jesus came to die for you and me so that we don't go there. Stop decieving people here.

There's a first death and there's a second death. Read your Bible well and stop decieving people.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Please, the bible is not a comic book or a novel you can just read and interpret anyhow you like. First death is the death of the flesh, second death is the death of the soul, which is eternal separation from God!. Now, the day Adam and Eve sinned both death set in. The first took some human time before it occurred, but the second was instant until Jesus came to restore life again to man.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

You could of cause do away with the flesh, after all the Lord promised to change that. But what about the second?. This death has no end, so if you die this death, you will be in the fire of hell for ever yet you will still feel the pain like a living being. Spirits don't die like the flesh die, that's why till tomorrow the devil is still there, no man can kill him. The only person who can make a spirit vanish from existence is God himself. But he has said, the punishment He has prepared for rebellious spirits which unfortunately now includes man, will be everlasting!. That I believe will serve as an example to all other spirits that yes, this great God is loving and merciful, but he will not tolerate sin, He will severely punish it. Please, don't mislead people here.

KraticKratus:
Difference is mama never claimed to be omnipotent. Omnipotent mama would not need to cook food and you'll never starve. She'll just make hunger disappear.

God is powerless.

You will swallow these words soon. Remember this date. I won't engage you. Just take note. Not long from today, you will regret this statement. May God save your soul.

KraticKratus:
If God doesn't want me in hell but I end up in hell anyway, it is a testament to the powerlessness of God.

Very foolish reasoning!. If God begins to force people now, it's still people like you who will accuse him of overbearing. Wait until you enter fire, then you blame God. Who will suffer the pain, God or you?. I don't know how some people reason at all. Mama has finished cooking, and has served the food, you say why didn't mama put the food in your mouth and so, for that, mama is not caring. Who will starve?.

Wake up from your slumber, tomorrow is not in your hands.

Jesus Christ is the way.

dalaman:
The bible lied, it said the earth was in existence before the sun. That is a lie. If you know anything about our solar system you'll know that it is a lie. That is basic science .

Most Christians and Jews know that it is a lie so they just claim that the Genesis creation account is an allegory.

But someone like you is too deluded you don't even know anything.

You have no case!. Wait, are you trying to explain creation to the one who made it?, seriously? So you're trying to say God should have made the sun before the earth assuming that's even the case?. If you know better, there's a vast space above. Show God the way, we will all hale you!. Look at a mere mortal trying to explain the work of God to Him with a class room science. Hahaha... Has science finished discovering?. Everyday, new discoveries are made, and new theories and philosophies are promulgated. Why can't you just tell us how everything came about at once? But you're giving me example of what should have been before the other.

KraticKratus:
African fear fear mentality.

Anyway hear yourself:
Satan is the opposite of God
Satan is not stupid
Draw your own conclusion.

Satan is not the opposite of God. Satan is the adversary of God's children. He's too small to equat him with God. There are angels more powerful than he is let alone God. He can't even go against God's command despite the fact that he has fallen. If he dares it, he knows what painful punishment awaits him. He opposes every plan of God to redeem mankind, but he can never challenge God. In fact,
God wants us to have fun seeing with Satan with the power He has given to us. Why should God be bothered about little Satan?. Sin is the only thing that gives him power over man, nothing else. Nevertheless, he will be cast into the lake of fire at the appointed time.

Satan, decieved numerous number of angels and led to their fall from heaven. He is still employing the same tactics of lies and deception. His victims usually do not know until it's too late. But God out of His love for mankind, has given us all it takes to defeat the Satan and his colleagues through Jesus Christ. God is only trying to help you and me, and help is never forceful. If you refuse and follow Satan, then when God will judge him and his colleagues, you will be included as part of the rebellious. Because, look at it, you're now being told about our wrong right from Adam till date, you're also being told about God's salvation plan for us. If you refuse it, what does that say of you?. And is not as if as soon as you reject it, you die, no!. God gives you so much chance, time and grace perhaps, you will consider and change and repent and get saved. Because He doesn't want any human being to go to hell. But if after so much time , you refuse and your time of grace runs out, who will save you or to who will you appeal?. Everybody has to make a choice. Yes, nobody will force you, but in the end, you will defend your actions and choices. Is it then bad if one should inform you about it?. Whatever you do with the information thereafter, is totally your cup of tea. But you can't excuse yourself or claim ignorance of the message.

Jesus Christ is the way.

dalaman:
The bible is just as real as the Koran and the Hindu Verdes, all are mythological books.

The bible does not tell you how the sun was created it only lied that the sun was created after the earth was in existence a ridiculous and nonsensical lie, according to the bible the function of the sun is to rule over the day. Mythical ancient thought. The sun is a star that has many functions, ruling over the day is not one of them. I don't need to provide alternative to lies. I just call them what they are and move on. Stop repeating ancient lies like a drone.

Hahahha.. How did the Bible lie?. If you say the bible lied, it means you have the answer, but now you don't!. So how is it a lie. Don't you see you're confusing yourself?. What make you say the bible is a lie. If it's a lie then provide the truth. But you can't, because there's no other truth!. Stop living in self denial. It will would harm you.

dalaman:
God didn't make anything. People said the various God's thru imagined made things. God is a human idea that is why you are telling me about it. A God that exist and wants me to know about it will never rely on you to tell me anything about it.

Stop telling lies.

You're a small boy, I pity you. So, in your small human mind, the almighty God should come down again after Jesus came down for you before, He should come down again to prove to you that He loves you. O boy I don't think you're actually thinking o. You just say you're a thinker but it seems you aren't doing that.

How big are you?. The earth which contains 7.6billon people like you and me, together with huge mountains and deep oceans is nothing in size compared to the sun. You will need three hundred million times of earth to get the size of the sun. And some stars we see as tiny are far bigger than the sun!. So how big must the maker be?. Oh, could that be the reason why you're having it difficult believing God?. Hahahha.. My dear, God is big and limitless.

The soldier ant will boastfully position itself as the big boy in town because he is bigger than the other ants, but it has no idea that there's an animal called Wale in the sea. O boy fear God na. You're playing with fire o. Don't think it's a joke o. I'm not joking. As I am, no body, no spirit can come and tell me there's no God, because I have seen things I can't even say here. But I believed first before I saw. Despite that, I depend only on God to help me maintain my stand because there's also a devil gravely mad at humanity, he wants to destroy us. He's very smart as well. He is the one promoting all these there's no God movement AKA atheism and false religions. Save your soul now. I'm not telling you hear say. It's real. Please, take it serious.

dalaman:
The bible is more real than I am and you are the one telling me? When was the last time you saw people discussing about the reality of the sun?

That's it!. You see, you have no excuse!. The fact that the sun is visible, is a proof that the bible is real!. Because it talks about it, how it came about and it's function. Why can't you understand it?. Ahhh! It's really surprising how something so tangible and open can be hidden from people's eyes. Lord gave mercy.

All you're doing is to live in denial of the truth if God's word. Provide the alternative, no! You couldn't. So what's your headache?

dalaman:
We both don't know how things came about in REALITY. You are just happy to hide your ignorance under the mythical stories of ancient people while I openly admit that I don't know. That's the difference BTW you and I.

So your God made Moa to write about a moon Goddess abi? Your delusion is gradually making you insane.

Why do you say we both don't know how things came about?, did I say that, or are you trying to save face?. God made everything. You're the one living in denial.

Hahaha... Where did your reasoning come from? I am sure you don't know as well. Well, let me help you again, God gave you everything you have, including your brain. It's just that you have chosen to use it wrongly. Like wise Moa after messing up, realised himself early and retracted. I'm still hopeful for you that you will retrace your steps and come back to the one who really loves you. You can't even love your self like Jesus Christ loves you. It's totally beyond your imagination.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


Stop living in denial and believing in lie. The truth is staring at you in the face. Oh brother, wake up!.

Ranchhoddas:
Don't you think that God could devise a better and more effective way of uniting the church rather than allowing calamities like Boko Haram to befall them?
Perhaps this God is a figment of your imagination?

God made man a free will being. Man is not a robot. You choose what you want to do. God has shown us between good and evil and has told us the consequences of not heeding his warning. If we as people continue to live in sin, which sadly is on the increase, we give the enemy of our lives the authority to cause destruction. We can't blame God here. The only way He will come in to help us is if we repent and yield to Him. This will continue until the end. When He will take over everything and judge everyone according to their choices.

Evil in the land can never go unpunished. It may delay, but never forgotten. Repent now Nigeria else nature it self will act against you.

Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin brings disgrace.

talk2percy:
Oga can you pls stop demonising God, are you alive today because you are sinless? What makes you think you are better than those that got killed in that explosion? I just don't like holier than others people like you. You are not a very good God's representative.

Really, is that how you interpreted that write up? It's a pity! So a word of advice to you is sounding holier than thou?. The next you will come up to say is judge not isn't it?

Point out from that piece where I infered to be holier than others, or indeed suggested that the dead died because of their sins?. Why do you people deliberately cause confusion and arguments?.

Do you need a prophet to tell you the nation needs repentance?. Do you expect that God will be smiling while we don't do that?. And if God smile not on us, do you expect things to go well?. What's your point?. How can you tell if I'm representing God well?. What's your criteria for arriving at that?. Imagine the categorical statement?. Has God made you the evaluator?.

For your information, the Lord gave me a message for the church in Nigeria last year which I shared here on nairaland long before this incidence. You may want to see it and be careful so that you don't unintentionally become an opposer of God.

https://www.nairaland.com/4118428/silence-not-good#61447626

Please, try to understand before commenting, to avoid misrepresentation. I maintain my position. Thank you.

dalaman:
So your God gave him the idea to write about moon Goddess abi? Continue telling lies. Jesus is is a mythical construct. Stop spewing nonsensical mythology.

If it's not God who did?. Well, I know you don't know, the next thing you will do is to call it a fictional write up. You don't know how anything came about, yet you're maintaining your position, on what premise exactly. This confusion needs to be cast out!.

dalaman:
Why should I feel threatened. Do you feel threatened when a Muslim tells you that you will burn in hell for not accepting Allah and Mohammed as his last messenger? You are totally deluded and a liar.

The bible is a book of myth and fiction written by ancient peoplethat lied that it is a word of some God they imagined, you were indoctrinated to accept their natrative. Anything you say about it is a lie! Stop telling me lies.

Oh wow! The bible is more real than you are. Can't you see that?. What it says, happens. That's why you should be careful to obey it.

Riofidelio:
People like Mr Dalaman refused to buy the idea of faith in God because the so called religious entities around US have blurred the insight of honesthearted people with worthless doctrines! For example,God told the first human pair that sinned "you will die and return to dust"(return to nonexistence) but today's religions are saying "no,you will not really die and return to nonexistence but continue to be ALIVE elsewhere" So between God who formed man out of dust and said after death they can't see,smell,touch,feel,notice or understand anything again. Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10 And religion saying at death life begins in another version, who is lying? Until religion stop trying to instill unwarranted fear into the minds of their victims and tell them the simple fact as found in the scriptures there will always be ridiculers challenging useless CREDULITY that's rampant everywhere today!

You have subtly misinterpreted the scriptures. You're opinion is very clear, that after death, there's nothing left of man. If that be the case, I ask you, why did Jesus die?. What did He die to save?. Be very careful what you spew out in public because if anybody follows this doctrine of yours and finds him or herself in hell, you will be held accountable.

If I know that after death, nothing else exists, why should I be careful how I live?. It means I can never be accountable to anybody. This your position encourages rebellion. Come, are you a believer at all?. You are also subtly saying Jesus died in vain!.

You quickly jumped to averse you couldn't understand and twist it. Explain the following verses below.

Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.


Do you not see you err here?. How about these below?

1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

What about the story of the rich man and Lazarus?. Which Jesus himself told.

What about the description Jesus gave about the sufferings of hell?. Is that one fiction?.

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.


Everyman or woman ever made will give account of their lives after death. The human body is made from dust, this is that which will return to dust. But recall that after creation, God breathed into man, before man became a living soul. What happens to that soul after death?. He will account for everything he did while alive. No man can wish it away. It's an eternal reality don't wait to get there to realise this truth because it will be too late then. All decisions are made here in this realm of flesh. All the dead continue to live somewhere, heaven or hell. Be informed!

dalaman:
Stop threateningme with childish mythological nonsense. If fear is what is making you believe in the mythical narratives of ancient ignorant people then just know that you should stick to it alone and stop trying to use fear to think you can fool me. You are totally finished because you are a myth believer. Carry your mythical lies and shove it up. You are a fear monger and a shameless liar.



Which word of God? The one people assembled and you were indoctrinated with abi? What do you know about the Bible and how it was written and assembled? You are a liar and myth believer. Stop disturbing me with fictional characters Luke angels, devils, God's etc

Stop telling lies. You are a clown that doesn't know what he is saYing at all stop telling lies. You are totally deluded.

Hahaha... Do you feel threatened?. I never intended to threaten you. All I have done is to give you the complete message and warning. Why do you feel threatened?. All I've said is what the bible said, and the bible is the incontrovertible word of God. It says, do this and that this way and that, but if you don't do it that way as stipulated, this and that will be the consequences. Is that different from from what manufacturers do with their products?. The user manual spells out what and what you should or shouldn't do with the product. If you disobey the instructions won't you suffer loss?. Who would you blame? Would you accuse the manufacturers of assault and threatening?. Hahaha... Dalaman, the bible is the user manual of man, and that includes you. God made you and you can only survive by heeding the instructions of that book. Call it mythology or whatever, your fate will be decided by it. It doesn't matter whether you believe it or not.

Who is finished? I know my maker and father, but you don't, please who appears finished? Hahaha... Imagine a child in school who has no parents or guardian. When chaos occur, where and to who will he run?. I guess he will stand there and 'think' as a thinking thinker, hahahha, that's confusion, and that child is finished! Anybody can carry him to any where.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

That's what it means to be totally finished!. Do something now before it's too late.

dalaman:
Avoid what? Moa's fictional open talking about the Goddess of the moon abi?

You see?!, always dodging the truth. Whatever doesn't agree with your warped reasoning is mythology, fictional. But can you deny Moa was an athiest?. What happened?, why did he write all that, who gave him the idea of the things he wrote?. I will still advise you, don't think to be wiser than your senior, more experienced, more knowledgable and vastly exposed colleagues. The reality of truth is bigger than your brain can carry. This simply decisions however, have unimaginable eternal consequences. Right now, it will seem you're on top, yea, you're winning, you're wise, but when the reality hit you in the face, there will be no where to hide.

Return to your maker, accept Jesus Christ now and be saved. Those senior athiests saw something you're yet to see. I pray you see it soon.

KraticKratus:
if this post made sense to you, please seek psychological help.

I have a better hope with Christ Jesus. He is a sure repose. Psychology has failed many and it will fail alot more. Stop chasing shadows.

You are still young. The powerful and wise, who are privy to classified information, seek God. The ungodly among them go diabolical, why?. They know that the spiritual controls the physical.

Satan is not stupid. Since he has put you where he wants. Where you don't regard God or prayers, he has gotten you like an handkerchief under the armpit. Why then should he bouder you?. Your time is counting. Don't end it like this. Your life and it's time table is never in your hands!. You can't even tell when it will be your turn to leave this world. Reverence God.

The most effective weapon against the unseen forces of evil is prayer of faith through Christ and this is the thing Satan fears most. How does he overcome the believer?. Make him to sin, destroy his prayerlife, and he becomes a piece of bread.

The role of prayer is beyond your imagination.

All you mocking and doubting, what will you do if anything happens to you on this said date?. You will turn around and accuse God of not answering your prayers, meanwhile, you were warned.

I tell you, except we as a nation, especially Christians sincerely repent and truly seek God's face, what we're seeing now will be a child's play compared to what's coming. Can you imagine a supposed Christian asking for bet prediction from God?. We don't even know what's wrong and what's not anymore.

Rather than becoming strong headed, and call it faith, go on your knees and ask God to confirm what you heard to you. It shouldn't bring fear to the child of God. But don't be wiser than God. If you're asked to stay away, stay away!. If God gives you an assignment and someone comes to tell you don't go, then you can stand against.

Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Those wHo listens to the Spirit of God shall not be harmed.

KraticKratus:
Prayer has never solved a single problem in human history.

Prayer is the excuse of the lazy.

Rather than seek God's forgiveness, you're speaking evil about prayer. This is just the beginning. God warned but we didn't listen, rather we chose to oppose God. Now, He has given us over to what we like. You're making matters worst!. The time is coming when you will also pray.