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budaatum:
If you check the original text, you'd find it is pretty confusing. So if what you've written up there, that "God is not the author of confusion", is true, then God could not have written the text being discussed. Someone, or something else, must have written it.

I'd go for the 'someone'.


A very intelligent and wise person. So intelligent and wise that people made him into a God.

Absolutely not!. Jesus is God, he was not made God by anybody, He is God right from the very beginning.

I Understand you're an athiest, but the truth is right from the moment Jesus Christ came into this world as a human, the devil has been trying so hard to deny his diety and divinity. If the devil succeeds in making men believe that lie, then their confession will be contrary to what the bible said, contrary to what God has said. And your confession will either save you or destroy you. What else affects your confession other than your beliefs?. This subtle attempt must be clearly seen and guarded against. It has been in the works right from the bible days to the translation days till now and will continue to be so till the very end. It's a war of faith.

Jesus is God the son, the second person of the God head. Notice throughout scriptures how the bible reffers to Him as God, and yet makes it clear that we have only one God. If Jesus is the one who created all things, and He is a different God from the only God, then the bible is not correct, as that will mean we have two Gods. The only true God says I created heaven and earth, then the bible says Jesus created all things, how can that be?.

We have one and only true God, who exist or manifest himself in three personalities. In this three personalities, God the Father is the head or supreme, but they are all one and the same. Any attempt to separate them, or make one less than what He is, will be completely denying who God is. We must be careful here because we're dealing with a smart and deceptive devil/satan.



That's not what the bible said. The bible is the authority here. Let God be true and every man a liar. We all maybe wrong, but not the bible. No matter how translation affect the fact and reality, the truth will always be there in the bible as there are many verses of scripture to prove that.

TATIME:
I've told you guys the truth of the matter but your intense hatred and anymosity for JWs won't let you grasp it. "You can't preach to an atheist by talking about HELLFIRE or punishment after death" the true God has a way of drawing honesthearted people to HIMSELF and it's by beating them hands down with unbeatable wisdom in THEIR OWN REASONING! Not quoting the Bible to instill fear in the minds of people who have no regards for the Bible, you can't expect a German who has no business in Nigeria to feel threatened when you're talking of the Nigerian constitution The Bible and it's words is ONLY to settle matters amongst those who believe in it but matters involving unbelievers are not to be handled directly from scriptural views,you can only tap ideas from the wisest human counselor ever (Jesus Christ) He ONLY dealt with Israelites back then yet He made use of unbeatable reasoning so that even those who have lost the interest in the scriptures were revived not because He quoted the scriptures but because He spoke with high intellect! John 7:45,46 This is my wives account,you guys are just amusing her with the way you're responding!

You and your wife are amused, but I am horrified by how you Jws misinterprete the bible. You actually turn the bible on its head.

Who is scaring the athiest?. Who brought hell fire discussion here first, how did it arise?.

If you must tell the truth to someone, say it, don't twist and hide the truth!. Let the individual decide what he wants to do, it's different from instilling fear in people. If I tell a teenager that he/she stands the risk of STDs if care is not taken, would you just call that fear mongering?. However, if I don't tell him/her the danger involved, then I have done a poor job.

This is the problem with JWs, you try to use human reasoning to win men, and you don't believe in hell fire neither do you talk about it. Yet, the saviour Jesus Christ talked and warned about hell more than he did for heaven. We don't threaten men with hell fire, rather we give to them the good news of salvation, and tell them what it saves them from, and what will happen if rejected. Do you preach salvation to someone who doesn't know what he/she is being saved from?. We don't use lies of human frailty, rather, we must depend on the word of God.

Before you make categorical statement about this guy called Otem, know that he was once a Christian!. He basically preempt statements, even when you haven't said it.

Hell is real and heaven is real, that's not fear mongering. This ice water, make me feel good messages, is the reason we have weak, unserious Christians today. Say no to false religion!

OneJ:
Pls tell our fellow Nairalanders & guests whether U are confused when U call a well known man "Area father or Godfather" ?. Therefore, your opening questions lack merit & substance.


Primesky said " Jesus is not God the father, so who is he" ? Even Emusan , his partner in the Trinity fallacy said & I quote his statement: " did anybody ever said Jesus is the Father before ?"
My fellow Nairalanders & guests, una dey see how primesky & his fellow trinity peddlers. are confused?
Indeed, their brain always shut down in their dubious attempts to defend a lie Jesus himself neither taught nor believed.

My dear stop dodging the question. The bible has said something, answer it. Who is Jesus Christ?. I'm not asking you what anybody said, we're looking at what the bible said, your version agreed to it as well. So, Jesus is not the Father, who then is He that He will have such exalted name and position?. The bible is supreme not what Emusan said.

OneJ:
Oga Primesky, pls don't get it twisted. "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" is not "I am that I am".Both words do not mean the same thing at all. If U like make U twist am till kingdom come.

Does the phrase "Area Father" or Godfather" refer to God Almighty? Pls give your answer.



Pls read this post well well.
Baba God Almighty used your human father to cause your birth as a full blooded omo naija (through Adam the father of mankind. But, Adam lost the prospect of eternal life for himself & all his offspring).

But Baba God Almighty redeemed us thru Jesus Christ & gave him the title of Prince of peace, Eternal Father because your future prospect of eternal life squarely depends on your believe & exercising faith in Jesus as the God sent Messiah for your salvation.
Furthermore,by virtue of Jesus being addressed as the second Adam (also called the last Adam) ,he received the power to resurrect the dead back to life in God's kingdom (1Cor15:45,47. John 5:24-29). Even sef, Trinitarians agree that Jesus is not God, the Father, Baba God Almighty.
Therefore, your argument is built on quicksand. Shalom

Wonderful!. This is the height of it all. The bible said that this son that will be born will be called everlasting Father/eternal Father. So tell me, why will God give to Jesus such a title as His?, isn't that going to bring confusion?. But God is not the author of confusion, so what happened?

Jesus Christ is not God the Father, so who is He?.

0temSapien:
To you now, you are grieved in the spirit for a lost soul. Funny stuff. Well, in the long run, the light of GOD ALMIGHTY will reveal the truth to you. Then you will know the truth.

The truth you once received from the Lord will keep stirring in your heart. Don't kill it bro. Don't destroy your precious soul. You need to come back to the Lord and have life. This thing you're doing is not life.

0temSapien:
So the fire is not affecting them shebi. Imagine, cooking something inside hell. Hmm

Hmm... It's good to play o. But see Otem, this is not a joke o. Stop this thing you're doing. It's all lies!.

The enemy is messing up with your mind, can't you see it?.

0temSapien:
Yahweh is the only thief here. Go and read the book of C.E.

C.E 16: 27-29


27. When Mosheh(Yahweh) awoke, he said, truly I am a god. For I have ever felt it so. Then he went to Egypt, many days journey to acquire papyri, tablets and all manner of things which the Egyptians kept as a treasure in their land.
28. For he[Yahweh] paid the keeper of the museum a large sum and he secretly stole some of the artifacts and historical books which the Egyptians had acquired from different lands and kindreds.
29. Now mosheh returned to his land and went up to a mountaintop to read the things which he had acquired. Then he descended the mountain and began to tell the people, saying, I met one named Yahweh upon the mountain.

Hahaha. Very funny!. But indeed very saddening. Even the names of the said book of lies is so confused. Confusion every where.

O boy stop this madness na. Even a drunkard is more coherent than this jumble dumble you wrote up there. Otem try to remember how you fared before now. Don't let adequate set backs push you into dip pit. My dear you still have a chance to come out of this nonsense.

OtemAtum:
You need the light.

When darkness becomes light to a living human being, then there's a big problem!.

You need Jesus Christ. He alone can show you the light.

0temSapien:
Okeydokey. Maybe you spoke off point earlier, because the guy was talking about hell fire and you are talking about being saved...a rational human being would have thought that you meant 'being saved from that hell fire after realising the truth'. It's prdonable anyway, as long as you have said that such is not what you mean. But pls always try not to post off-topic stuffs. The guy wasn't a liar or a slave, so you talking about being free from LIES and BONDAGE while he was talking about HELL FIRE is actually begging the question. Next time always address issues rather than going back and forth. My 2cents though
One Love

This is becoming a serious problem o. Otem, you're losing y9ur reasoning o. What have you done to your self?. Look at your reasoning, O my God!. This wicked spirits are recking havoc in your mind. But you allowed them.

And you actually think you are making sense?. Only a spiritually blind person will take you serious. But why, why brother why? Why did you leave the way of life for this low life, this shameful and disgraceful life?. Oh Lord please have mercy.

Ah Otem!

OneJ:
Hebrew language has no present tense. In Exodus 3:14,"Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh does not mean. "I AM THAT I AM" .
Pls don't get it twisted. "I am" in Exodus 3:14 na fraud. Period !
Pls use your church mind tell nairalanders how "mighty " & "Almighty" (Exodus 6:3,Psalm 83:18. John 17:3 KJV) take mean the same thing. In Isaiah 9:6," a son has been given," Who gave the son? Anytime u hear the term "Father & son", is that ever a relationship of two person with equal status? I no know wetin happen to your brain.....
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Ahahahha! There you go again with twisting and selected interpretation.

I have answered you exodus 3:14 confusion. If you didn't get it, the go back up and read it.

As for the the difference between 'mighty and almighty', I know that you will focus on that. Please include the other one, ok?. The 'Everlasting Father' which you people said is 'eternal Father' whichever, how many eternal or everlasting Father can we have at the same time?. Why did you leave that out?. There's no blaming translation here o. How can a 'created god' as you say, be called the everlasting/eternal Father as well?.

johnw47:
Primesky, realmindz, hello

Hello bro. Jesus is our boldness, His love is our business

The devils can turn and rage in hell or wherever they are. There's only one champion, Lord and King. Jesus Christ!

johnw47:
Primesky,otem is in a perpetual state of confusion, and that's to be expected with him being a God and christian hater
50% of the time he is unintelligable while the other 50% of the time he is untruthful, and that's why doctufos is nonsense, it's written by people like him and it's god is satan which otem had me affirm

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

You're correct bro. You can't give what you don't have!. Otem is working for a confused bunch of thieves and lairs. That's why he's unstable. I wish he can see this and come out quickly. We care about him.

OtemAtum:
God ALMIGHTY is everything in EXISTENCE and Existence itself. It is not created and can never go into extinction. Yahweh is one out of the uncountable creatures of God Almighty.
Without God(EXISTENCE) we cannot even be here not to talk of dying.
GOD IS GREAT!

The devil is a liar!.

'It' can not create sensibles. These are the lies those wicked devils are peddling just in effort to get even with God. What a waste of time!. God almighty is a person!. Stop these horrendous lies. He was never created and can never die. He is not a mere existence, He is a personality. See how awkward your believe is?. An existence created things. Absolute falsehood!.

O boy stop deceiving yourself. Those devils mean you no good. To Jesus Christ, the devil said if you bow down and worship me, I will give you the whole world, imagine that, promising to give to the owner His property with a condition attached. What a thief! I don't know what he promised to give to you that made you to accept this wicked and destructive work of lying and decieving. Repent now before it's too late!.

Jesus Christ is the way!.

OtemAtum:
History cooked up in hell? This is funny o
So lthe fire of hell can cook something. Hmm.

Hahaha... The chief prisoners of hell and their colleagues in space are the ones cooking up all the lies. To hide their state and position as hell inmate, they lie to you about gods in prison. Meanwhile they are talking about themselves

Very soon they will be turned over to the lake of fire!. Ensure you don't partake in that one. Nobody can mess around in the lake of fire. It's beyond description!

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Don't follow them Otem, that place was not meant for you. Don't be like a long throath kid who is leurd by mere sweet.

RuthlessLeader:
Didn't you guys agree not to engage atheists anymore? Backsliders oshi

When was that agreement made?. And how was I a partaker of it?, prove it let the world see your lies.

God has not given up on you neither has He said He has given up on atheists. Some of you will preach the bible more than us very soon. It's already happening all over the world. Again I say some, and oh how privileged they are. I pray you will be one of them.

OtemAtum:
Flee to where? They cannot flee from the truth. No matter how you flee from the truth, it will still stare at your face through experience.

Hahaha... There's coming a generation believers, who will unpredictable. They will mess up your lying gods like never before. Don't for once think you will win, because God has prepared a shocker for you guys. That's why your fallen angels masters are restless, trying to deceive them with sweet words. But they will still be defeated. Don't be part of them. Jesus Christ is the way.

OtemAtum:
One person can be the adopted child of one million people sef. That it doesn't happen in the physical world doesn't mean that it doesn't happen in the spiritual world.

I AM THE SPIRITUAL SON OF ALL GOOD gods.

Confusion at its peak. There is only one true God. Yahweh is His name. Others are thieves and lairs whose place is the lake of fire!. Come out from them.

cassidy1996:
i like their Awake Magzines

Very true. That's the catchy part. But their doctrinal believes are totally against the bible. Their beliefs about Jesus Christ makes him totally a different person from whom Christians know. If that be the case, then what is their faith?.

For instance, how can they say Jesus Christ is already here on earth, where is He exactly!. That's false teaching!. There are many more of such falsehood. The annoying thing to me is that some of them don't really understand this, and so they think they are saved. Just a few have realised this, and have quited. May God reveal Him self to them.

Jesus commissioned a PREACHING and TEACHING campaign to promote God's government amongst mankind. Many people love Jesus because of His good works but He seriously warned those professing likeness for Him that there's nothing He can do to save them if they don't take necessary steps towards been saved. Jesus said it will be difficult to master all that He preached and taught by any individual but we just need to display unwavering faith in support of His program. Jesus said many people in this last days will be claiming they are His followers but there are few SIGNS to IDENTIFY His REAL followers during that puzzling times. (1) There is a purpose for Jesus' coming and everyone must know it so His true followers need to go and explain to others,Satan will make that difficult for them by recruiting agents in RELIGION to blur people's minds in order not to like Jesus' true followers so HATRED will be their lot in every land! Matthew 10:22 (2) Satan has been the ruler of the earth since the incident in the garden of Eden so POLITICS is another powerful tool in his hands and he has caught the attention of billions,making them to discriminate and kill one another for politics So to promote LOVE amongst all races,Jesus' true followers must never participate in the world politics. John 17:16 (3) Because of their LOVE for everyone Jesus' followers strongly believe all people must be given a fair chance no matter how wicked they seem to be,So no one must be killed for any reason whatsoever! Galatians 6:10 (4) Jesus' true followers are law abiding and submissive at all times. These are few signs to IDENTIFY the group producing the FRUIT of God's holy spirit and as imperfect humans those in this group may err severally but as long as they're coping with all these things apostle Paul said "against such,(group) there is NO law!" Galatians 5:23b Thanks for this post because it shows how you are feeling towards Jehovah's witnesses but nothing you said so far to discredit or condemned the group before God and man!

When and where did the Lord say you have to belong to a group to be saved?. Or where did He say, we must only listen to and be guided by a select individuals only. If that was the case, then why did He promise us the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was so important that Jesus asked the disciples not to make a move until He comes.

The opportunity to hear the gospel and repent is not offered by any man but God. Stop this false teaching already!. We go and preach by the Lord's directive not because we felt. So if we don't feel, the people perish. In that case Paul too would have perished!

Where and when did Jesus tell you that you that it will be difficult to master all that He taught and preached?. Is it the same Jesus that said greater works than I did you will do, or is it a different Jesus?. He even promised us the Holy Spirit to teach us more and guide us, but you people have rejected Him and call Him a mere force.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Did God tell us anywhere in the bible not to join in government?. Didn't God by himself anoint kings in the bible?. Why do you people say this?. Will Jesus then counter the work of the Father?. You're mistaken. So if war breaks out, the unbelievers will be the one to defend you, else you die?. If believers are not to take part in governernce, then they should not complain when bad policies are implemented, nor should they hide when violence break out, who will defend them?. The bible never said so.

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Is the above scripture now a lie?. Obviously not!.

This is what makes it difficult for people to understand your false teachings. You will quote the scriptures, twist it, make it look so true but it's all a lie. Deceptions will always look like the truth.

Please answer and explain the policy sumersualt in your religion, the fake prophecies, doctrinal changes. With that, how do you still expect someone to believe what the chief slaves are saying!. Their predictions have failed!. They said Jesus Christ is already here on earth, please show me where and how he came.

OneJ:
Primesky dey quote John 8:56-59 " I am " & twist Exodus 3:14.. Oga Primesky, the present tense "I am". does not exist in Hebrew language or their manuscript of Exodus 3;14..

It's very fraudulent & dishonest to pass off the Greek "I am" (ego himi ) as if it's Hebrew language..


The Hebrew "Ehyeh asher Ehyeh" (in Exodus 3:14 ) meaning "I will be what /who I will be" has no connection whatsoever with "I am that I am" (or the Greek ego himi. ) .
"I AM" na fake slogan to defend a lie.


Besides, John chapter 8:12-58, Jesus only said he had been in existence before Abraham was born & he (Jesus) was sent by his Father ,God Almighty , to bear witness on earth.


Dear Nairalanders. , the Trinity fallacy is built on the counterfeit insertion of "I AM" into Exodus 3:14, which does not exist in Hebrew language or manuscript.
(Sourced from "Exodus 3:14 chabad.org".

Hahaha... Wonders shall never end!. The fallacy is not small o.

You're one of the most intelligent of your colleagues, but this your reply is totally laughable. Let us even assume that it is as you said it.

I am that I am means what?. I am what I am, in other words, I am what or who I am this moment. He was God at that moment?. Man?, a weakling, a powerless God?. Hahaha...

Then your point, I will be what I will be. After God became the almighty like you people also call Him, will He all of a sudden become powerless, poor, less of a God?. I won't waste time replying this one abeg.

You know what?, you never agree with my points and I don't agree with your points. Between you, your religion and Christianity, one is absolutely wrong.

I have presented before you classical falsehood, false teachings, prophecies and doctrinal confusion to warrant your lies and deceit. I carefully watched as you and your colleagues, twisted and lied about the whole thing. Alright, let get down to business. Can you answer the question below.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6 NWT For a child has been born to us,
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

From the above passage both your version of the bible and the King James version, agreed that this son that shall be born, which is abviously talking about Jesus, will be called Mighty God, Eternal Father among other names. The question to you now is, since we have only one true God, can we have two mighty God, and two mighty Father at the same time and in the same place?. I don't understand, because your Bible also agreed to this. So here there's no translation wahala.

OneJ please do justice to this thank you.

0temSapien:
You said that if he realises the truth, he should call on Jesus to save him...
Now my question remains, FROM WHAT WILL Jesus SAVE HIM?
I hwve already deduced that you are talking about being saved from Hell Fire, so prove me wrong now by telling me from where else he Jeus will save him.
If you can honestly answer this question, I'll greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Saved from lies and satanic bondage.

Wait I never mentioned hell fire to that guy, nor did I mention it to you here, so why are you both having headache about it?. Are you already scared of it?, or are your lying deceivers agitated about it?. See Otem, believe me, you don't want to go there. You can't handle it. Those your falsegods will never tell you the truth. Wake up man!.

Peacefullove:
I can see you are having sleepless nights over this as your cherished myths are falling down right in your face


Tell me why Paul was called Theo's ( GOD ) and you decide to change it to ' a god ' ? Until you justify this, you lack any knowledge of this subject you are diving to

Hahaha... As always, twisting and dodging. Go back and read my reply post. I am here, I'm going no where. I will see how far you guys will keep dodging my questions. I have seen you guys, I know your tricks. Read the post I sent you, and don't pretend again. Thanks.

geoworldedu:
You are full of sshits. When will Dazzlingd realise the truth, where and how? What will Dazzlingd be saved from by calling on Jesus when he realises the truth? As far as am concerned, Otem is sensible than you. The topic of discussion you had wit Dazzlingd is about hell fire...he didn't show any sign of fear, you said he will 'realise the truth'... and Jesus will' save' him when he calls on him.
So if you don't mean that Jesus will save Dazzlingd while he finally realizes the existence of hell (remember there's no way to realize that hell exists without experiencing it), then what safety are you talking about? Better deactivate your account in shame as Riofidelio your colleague in lie has done already wen his lies were spotted.

I will repeat this warning for all who cares to take it. Astra projection is demonic. It opens you up for demon possession. I guess you have no idea what that means. There are lots of unspeakable dangers in engaging in such acts. When Dazzlingd realises this, the help of Jesus Christ the saviour will be vital. Jesus Christ is not called the saviour for nothing. If you believe and call in Him, He will not deny you. Pray you don't die in that state of independence, otherwise you won't have the opportunity. This will make no sense to you now.

Remember Paul the apostle, he was a tomentor of the Christians, until the day he encountered Jesus Christ. I won't be surprised if you guys become the biggest preachers of the word. You guys will do much damage to the kingdom of darkness, as you will expose the devil from a first hand experience But it could be dangerous, so don't assume you will easily get out

lightblazingnow:
This man is full of the Spirit. Love you. I am praying for you right now. Grow up more. Love you. Amen

Amen!. Whatever good I can do, I see it as a privilege. I can do nothing of my own. All the glory belongs to God. Thanks dear and may God bless you too.

0temSapien:
I have taken up this challenge and if it doesn't happen, it shall be to my own credit and to the discredit of you and that of Yahweh your god. The future people will judge the matter.

LISTEN O YOU PEOPLE OF NIGERIA, THIS poster has this ay declared that I, Otem, the power of the good gods will one day bow to Yahweh the god who is now in a spiritual prison. Let no one believe any write-up which does not come from me, testifying that I surrender to the imorisoned god, because in fabrications, propaganda and lies do we know a true christian.
Now Primesky, if you can ask your god to give you a timeframe within a specific period of time, I would have appreciated it better. Maybe within five years, two years or even a month.
Why can't you even narrow it down to one week if you believe that Yahweh your god can make me, OTEM OF THE good gods to bow before him. Kindly take up a one-week challenge for Yahweh your god to silence me and I will be glad to face the challenge.

I AM OTEM, SENT TO REVEAL THE TRUTH IN THE LOST AND HIDDEN SCROLLS!


Now to address your post, if truly we should call anyone fallen angels, then Yahweh and Allah are fit for the title most, because they fought each other and fell into a pit with no bottom, but with two tops.

Read the book of Nimshi below:



33. And around that time was esias, one of the messengers of Yahweh which he always sent to the centre of the continent come to the mountain of Yahweh in Eden.
34. And at that time did Allah hang on to the cloth of Yahweh because he was almost fallen off the great mountain.
35. And Yahweh tore his cloth off his own body such that Allah began to fall. But Allah opened his mouth and yelled a great yell which also blew Yahweh off the mountain at another side of the mountain.
36. And they both fell and landed into the great pit they had made themselves. And the saying of God the Consciousness was fulfilled.
37. And esias saw Allah as he fell down like the movement of a star.
38. Then did he go to the continent to tell the people of the fight which had existed between Yahweh, also called Satan, and Allah who was Lucifer.
39. And the winged homos of both Allah and Yahweh kept on fighting among themselves. For Michael and Gabriel had turned against each other. And Michael had decided to go with Allah while Gabriel had chosen Yahweh. And they fought themselves.
40. And for a thousand years after was relative peace upon the earth, because all those who altered the peace had fallen into the pit they dug themselves.

Hahaha... You're just a kid! What the gods you now serve cannot dare say, is what you are saying. You don't know where you are. Can you imagine a fallen leaf shaken its fist at the wind?. Hahaha.. That's what you've done.

I say it again whether you repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour or not, you will bow down and worship Him some day. That day will surely come. He doesn't need to force you, you will come to him to account for your choices.

But the Lord earnestly desires that you do it voluntarily and sincerely so that you will be saved. But if you refuse, then know that you will still do it, but with no profit.

Repent Otem, Jesus Christ is the way. Stop peddling alien doctrine.

0temSapien:
You are right, the christian god is different from the Quran god in obvious ways. Even they are both different from the Indian gods, the African Traditional Religion gods, Greek pagan gods, etc. But they have a creator in common, which is the ALMIGHTY GOD.


MCC 1:14
14. Now the names of some of these beings/gods( creatures of God) are Knoliud, Miklas, Urim, Chimides, Chaleb, Eartum who is also called Atum, Lar.gas, who is also called Allah, Nymphidis who is also called Yahweh(Jehovah), Wanyioyi,...Abassi, Nzame, Nyame;

Look at this one!. Opportunist.

When people are talking about the almighty God, you will call fallen angels and aliens almighty God.

Isaiah 45:18 [b]For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

45:20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
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Otem do you know that one day, you will fall face down, beg and worship Yahweh God almighty?. You can't lie it away neither can you escape it. All your false gods and fallen angels will do the same thing. It's only a matter of time. I wish you wouldn't be where they are.

0temSapien:
The posts between you and Dazzlingd is written below. Go through it again and tell me if you didn't say what I said. Dazzlingd said he wants your hell, then you are saying that WHEN HE FINALLY REALISES THE TRUTH...
Where will Dazzlingd realise the truth if not in hell? Remember, Dazzlingd is ready to be an hell candidate and the only way he could realize the truth of hell's existence is by experiencing it.
You said that when he finally realises the truth, he should not hesitate to call on Jesus Christ, because only him can save him...

If you don't mean that ONLY Jesuz can save him from the fire of hell, then tell us what else you meant by the clause 'only him can save you'. Thanks.

You see, now this confirms the fact that you're lying!. Point out the place I said he will realise the truth in hell?. The young man was the one who opined about hell, assuming the worst for himself, which I rejected. Now you as customary, have come to twist the truth. What a shame.

Otem repent and be saved. This is too childish!.

God bless you brother. May God help our nation and her people. We need to pray. But we must first sincerely repent as a people and as a nation.

The way it's going, many people won't take it seriously until disaster comes. Many of those who are making fun of prayers now, will see that their life depends on it. Nigerians are not aware what's lurking around for them. The devil is wicked!. Wake up church.

Hosea 5:15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

We shouldn't wait until affliction comes before we seek God. It's dangerous.

Whysoserious:
Hello brethrens, I was only wondering why so many religious people of the christian faith conclude on this topic. Why do they prefer to clarify it as "God of the bible vs god of the Quran". Why do you want to believe that we serve a different God? I really would like to have a discussion with a christian.

The God of the Christians is different from the God of the Quran. Here are a few points to consider.

1. One says (Christian God) there's no marriage in heaven, the Quran god says you will have 70 virgins in paradise. Their paradise and heaven must be different!

2. Christians call their God Father, and He calls them His children. There exists a father and son relationship between them. The Quran god is not father, and cannot be related to as a father.

3. The Christian God told his people to listen to Jesus Christ his son as the only way to Him. The Muslim god, after Jesus has finished everything, said Mohammed is his prophet and messenger to the people, to do what exactly?. This suggests that the words and works of Jesus Christ of the bible is incomplete and God of the bible a liar. There are clearly two different beings here, hence the contradictions.

4. The Quran god is prayed and worshiped by observing the moon. But the Christian God frowns at such practice. They can't be the same person.

5. The Christian God ask His people to pray always. The Quran god ask his people to pray five times a day.

0temSapien:
You said that dazzlingd should remember Jesus when he get to hell and he would be saved. Then I ask you whether hell fire is no more a 'forever-and-ever-Amen' thing and you're talking about twisting? My question now is whether Jesus still saves people who are in his hell fire or not.

Lies!. That's your trade mark. Can you point out where I said when he gets to hell he should remember Jesus Christ?. Can't you do without lying?. Is it food for you?.

I was warning the young curious man to be careful of what he's dabbling into. He rebuffed me, saying he has his choice to make. I said, well I was only advising, he can choose to accept or not. But because I believe that he will no sooner than later realize the prison he's putting himself in, just like you will soon realize yours, I said to him, you will remember these words of caution. That I mean when he comes to the reality of truth, he will remember that someone adviced him. Now I am saying to him and to you, that if you're alive then, don't hesitate to seek Jesus Christ. Delay at such point could be very dangerous. The master you're working for now is cruel and unforgiving, he won't let you go free just like that.

Now I have put it in simple English, do you now understand?. I hope so.

Jehovah witnesses or JWs are not Christians as some may assume. They do not believe in Jesus Christ as Christians do. They also do not believe in the person of the Holy Spirit, the resurrection of the dead and the oness of the God head. Apart from these however, there are many other contradictions they practice. But to position themselves as believers in Jesus when they're not, makes them altogether very dangerous!. This thread aims to expose some of these lies and help both their naive members and christians to know what they believe in, to the intent that they may be set free.

Note : Please, Jehovah witnesses are not devils, and should not be treated as such. They have been deceived and many of them do not know it. Let's show them the way, regardless of their arrogance and stance. Thank you.


The sect known as Jehovah’s Witnesses (JWs) began with Charles Taze Russell in the 1870’s. Russell was raised a Presbyterian, then joined the Congregational church, and was finally influenced by Adventist teachings. By his own admission, he had a hard time accepting the existence of hell. He sought out the Bible, and as his "studies" continued, he systematically began to reject the major doctrines of historic Christianity. He ultimately established his own belief system, and in 1879 he started publishing a magazine to promote his beliefs. This magazine was the precursor to today’s Watchtower (WT) magazine, by which Jehovah’s Witnesses are typically known.

In this tract we will examine five topics relating to Russell, the JWs, and their parent organization, the Watch Tower Society (WTS). We will show that the beliefs of JWs are unscriptural, and that both Russell and the WTS are completely unreliable as spiritual guides.

[/color]Is the Watch Tower Reliable?

In 1910 Russell wrote, "If anyone lays the Scripture Studies [short for a 7-volume WTS publication entitled Studies in the Scriptures, hereafter abbreviated as Studies] aside, even after he has used them, after he has become familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years—if he lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood the Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references and had not read a page of the Bible, as such, he will be in the light at the end of two years . . . " (WT Reprints, 9-15-1910, 4685). The WTS maintains that it is God’s reliable mouthpiece to the nations, and it claims to be God’s inspired prophet (WT, 4-1-1972, 197)—and yet its prophecies have repeatedly proven to be false. The only conclusion to be drawn is that the WTS is to be rejected as a false prophet.

[color=#006600] Does it mean that only the watch tower can speak for God?.

Among other things, the WTS predicted the following:

1889 "The ‘battle of the great day of God almighty’ (Rev 16:14) which will end in AD 1914 . . . " (Studies, Vol. 2, 1908 edition, 101).

1891 "With the end of AD 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown from prophecy" (Studies, Vol. 3, 153).

1894 "The end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble" (WT Reprints, 1-1-1894, 1605 and 1677).

1897 "Our Lord is now present, since October 1874 AD" (Studies, Vol. 4, 1897 edition, 621).
Really?, where's He?!

1916 "The six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th day, the 1000 years of Christ’s reign began in 1873" (Studies, Vol. 2, p. 2 of foreword).

1917 "Scriptures . . . prove that the Lord’s Second Advent occurred in the fall of 1874" (Studies, Vol. 7, 68).
1918 "Therefore, we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the faithful prophets of old" (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 89).

1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the scriptures than 1914" (WT, 9-1-1922, 262).
1923 "1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge" (WT, 4-1-1923, 106).

1925 "The year of 1925 is here. . . . Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year" (WT, 1-1-1925, 3).

1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah’s faithful ones on earth concerning the dates 1914, 1918, & 1925 . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates" (Vindication, 388, 389).

1939 "The disaster of Armageddon is just ahead" (Salvation, 361).

1941 "Armageddon is surely near . . . soon . . . within a few years" (Children, 10).

1946 "Armageddon . . . should come sometime before 1972" (They Have Found a Faith, 44).

1966 "Six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E" (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 29).

1968 "The end of the six thousand years of man’s history in the fall of 1975 is not tentative, but is accepted as a certain date" (WT, 1-1-1968, 271).

Besides false prophesies, the WTS has misled its members through countless changes in doctrine and practice:

"To worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong ... " (WT, 3-1880, 83). "It is unscriptural for worshippers of the living and true God to render worship to the Son of God, Jesus Christ" (WT, 11-1-1964, 671).

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT, 7-1879, 7-cool. The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT, 6-1-1952, 338).

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT 8-1-1965, 479). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT 6-1-1988, 31). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Live Forever, early ed., 179). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Live Forever, later ed., 179). The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, 985). The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! 273).

"There could be nothing against our consciences in going into the army" (WT, 4-15-1903, 120). Due to conscience, Jehovah’s Witnesses must refuse military service (WT, 2-1-1951, 73).

"We may as well join in with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event [Christmas] . . . " (WT Reprints, 12-1-1904, 3468). "Christmas and its music are not from Jehovah . . . What is their source? . . . Satan the devil" (WT, 12-15-1983, 7).

"Everyone in America should take pleasure in displaying the American flag" (WT Reprints, 5-15-1917, 6068). The flag is "an idolatrous symbol" (Awake!, 9-8-71, 14).

A much longer list of such contradictions and doctrinal twists by the WTS could be formed, but this suffices to remove any reason one might have to believe that "It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant scriptural counsel to his people . . . " (WT, 5-1-1964, 277). If that is the case, who is to say what will be taught tomorrow?

Cc. Can OneJ, Reofidelio and peacefullove tell us what is happening, why the confusion?.

0temSapien:
So the fire won't be everlasting anymore? I thought you guys said it will burn us forever and ever, AMEN!

Stop twisting the point there as if you didn't understand it.

You have allowed yourself to be a spokesperson for devils. As long as he's alive on earth, there's hope for him, as he has the chance of repentance. But if you or him or any other person dies in his/her sins, then there's no repentance nor salvation.

Jesus saves, repent and be saved!.