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Kobojunkie:
If you agree that Cecilia Ibru is TRUSTWORTHY and HONEST( Reputable).

You are using a strawman style argument here. My point is that when someone of his caliber comes to the U.S. embassy to inform you of the radicalized behavior of his own son, and his son's intent of planning something dangerous, it should be taking more seriously.  I never said his statement should be conclusive of his son's behavior but should definitely be giving substantial weight.

I think you need to direct that question at your own self here.  Someone pointed out earlier that even folks with drugs strapped on the same way will likely be detected during the NORMAL SECURITY SEARCH, so again, why was this not detected? I believe that is a valid question to ask oneself.

How do you know if that "someone" who pointed earlier that drugs strapped the same way would have been detected during the normal security search is an expert or knows what he is saying. Again, even if it should have been detected under normal routine, it does not negate the proposition that he should not have been subject to a heightened search, since they were aware of his radicalized behavior.

The above points to his possibly not even having this on him FROM NIGERIA, and it is possible he had it AFTER being searched.

Again, this is possible, which is why the govt. is trying to investigate fully the possible security breach.


What?  Let us not TRIVIALIZE this now!! You assume there that I even eat food served me by strangers that I ain’t paying for.

Yes. Whether you are paying for the food or not. If  you own a restaurant and the father of someone informs you that a paying customer wants to come and rob you at night, I would hope that you would be extra cautious in observing that when that customer walks into your restaurant at night, or if possible deny service to that customer as long as it is within dictates of the law. Here, the govt. could have legally revoked his visa or denied him entry to the U.S., or at the very least subject him to a heightened search.

Kobojunkie:
Reputable in what sense? Aren’t we LEAPING TOO FAR here?

The guy's father--Alhahi Mutallab is a reputable man -- former Chairman of UBA and First Bank of Nigeria, Plc. Isn't that reputbale?

Again, I will ask you the questions I have asked the other before you.

How do you know he was not subjected to more Stringent search? I mean seriously, how do you know this? How do you know he even had the BOMB on him while he was being searched?

The authorities in Nigeria and Amsterdam have stated that he underwent normal security procedures and was not subject to heightened security procedures. Which one be your own?
My problem is it is possible people think Al-Qaida does not do it’s homework at all. I am certain they know that a search of individuals at the airport, especially after 9/11 would probably reveal anything the person is carrying.  Was alquida dumb enough to leave the detection of this bomb to chance?

Agreed but that still does not mean they could have averted this no matter how perfectly they tried.

Al Qaeda did their homework, but the U.S. was fortunate enough to have a father who gave them info about his son's plan. It does not get better than that, being informed of a potential terrorist attack by a guy who was on your list, and who was not subject to a heightened search. Come on don't argue against yourself. So if someone's family told you that their family member was going to poison you, won't you exercise caution in eating food that was prepared by that person?

Kobojunkie:
You are NOT answering the question but just putting forth the same VAGUE info are reason for assertions you have made so far.  

We have been told there was no solid info to support his being on a No-fly list. That his father reported him missing is NO SOLID evidence to have him on a NO FLY List so why demand he should have been doubly checked just for that in the way you have so far?


Note: I edited my initial post


here is what I have so far on when he came on the US watchlist.  . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34592031

THE.AMAKA:
i do see your point.
youre gonna need facts to back that up.
i have to disagree because most of these naija artist (even though the ones you named were cool)of today are becoming TOOO WESTERNIZED. people need to stick to how 2face was when he first came out.
some of the latest naija music sounds too american and i wouldnt even know it was by a naija artist if i heard it on the radio or something.
i was just thinking about this the other day.
even though our musicians are nigerian doesnt mean they are sticking to "naija style" type of music.
i can't believe some of the garbage coming out these days.
i can't listen to naija music thats too westernized cause it doesnt seem authentic or original.

koolchicco:
Bia Builder, We are here to mourn and not otherwise. . HELLO?

Obiakara:
it's not about confirming your stories properly, if the UK embassy is giving out a visa for non UK residents, the embassy would have to do a background check from the applicants home country in this case they will laise with the embassy in nigeria, if they had done it properly, they would have noticed that this individual is listed as a terror suspect.
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carago:
Is anyone here still wondering why Obama chose to visit Ghana rather than Nigeria, the so-called giant of Africa. Good people, great Nation indeed. no amount of branding will change 9ja rotten image. I'm going to start a petition to ban ALL nigerians coming to Ghana.

Lagosboy:
I do appreciate your understanding and valid points you raised.

90% of the religious riots have been carried out by illiterate mobs who just go on a form of rampage after some foolish politicians have doled out somtheing. Development of the northern rural areas and good education is key to solving those riots . Note that thos riots are different to terrorism as we can see terrorism is mostly carried out be highly educated guys like Attah Phd and a MBA holder like George Bush. Zawahiri is medical doctor and Cheney is an accomplished corporate leader.

Killing of fellow Nigerians i always condemn and it is more to do with tribalism than religion in my opinion. When Abiola died OPC went on killing rampage of hausas in lagos. Note that most of those OPC members will have been muslims by birth or name but the hatred for the hausas is soleley on tribe. Same goes to the hausas in the north , some of them kill yoruba muslims as well.

To the Palestinian Afghanistan and so on issues, these are international issues that can onlybe solved internationally. Nigerians can have an opinion and a foreign policy but this should never lead to killings on the streets .

Back to the arsenal game buddie

Paroh_frey:
I can see you were screwing your Mum when you heard the news. Please go back screwing her yeast infected pu ssy while your father makes the home movie and puts it on the internet- then come back here to talk, okay?

mubaraqqq:
Thank you. Like I said before, Nigeria is doomed because of attitudes  like this. How can we stand together when we cannot even put our differences aside for one second and talk with one voice about an issue like this.  This thread is a microcosm of the problem in Nigeria.

grafikdon:
Chineke God of Saudi Arabia!!!!    

Sheik Josephat Titus Mutallib Ahmadibajad Okafor. . .

Aloy~Emeka:
Yes when islamists damage our reputation, they look for a christian to come and repair it. Invite your imam to help us here.

freed:
o boy which planet are you from? that man be oyibo man
we are BLACK!! that's a big difference

Pataki:
Please even Yaradull should be investigated. No little wonder he would prefer to jet off to Saudi when the UN meeting was on, only to be attending the opening of a University there.

Sometimes I weep for my country. I think it is time we separated, and everyone finds their square root.

mbulela:
in my view, this is an isolated case.
the average nigerian loves his life too much to go into sucide bombing.
it is not in our make up.

No2Atheism:
terrorism is a mechanism for defending islam hence forget about your suggestion cus . . . without violence, even mohhamed would not have succeeded.